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The article Kalwar was just getting silly, up to and including computer 3D renderings of Solomon's Temple or some such thing. Absolutely baffling, so I dug up some very, very basic references and have a short article covering the traditional liquor-distilling caste of Northern India (not to be confused with the Tamil Kallar (caste)).
I've only done some brief digging, but prepare for a shocker: a rough glance at some 1980-2010 current literature by Indian academics appears to indicate that the Kalwar were a distilling caste who made some money, got into banking and other more prestigious trades, dropped their old habits like a rock, and set up orgs like the Kalwar Kshatriya Mashaba. It's almost as though there is some sort of pattern going on in the region... Historical revisionism is a grave, grave sin. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for correction. [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 18:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
Wrongful editing
Thanks [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 06:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
As you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SalariaRajput, this guy is going around adding references to Sainis in dozens of places, essentially spamming those articles while providing no value at all. Even if Sainis were Rajputs, his edits would still make no sense at all. I understand you are not an admin, but you seem to be good at controlling such behavior. Is there something you can do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
In this classic photo of many well-known wikipedia editors, I understand [1] you're the tolerant-looking man leaning against the piano, who's about to sit down at it and play "As Time Goes By". May I ask why you're holding a human finger? I've inquired privately of RexxS (the demented motivational speaker trying to push Malleus Fatuorum off his chair), who first drew my attention to the pic, but he didn't seem to know. darwinbish BITE 15:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC).
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Article Dhakar is PRODed. I have no clue about the subject. But PROD reason of "Unreferenced, unable to establish notability" is possibly the reason to delete many articles of this group. Plus i have never seen that editor before on any of Indian articles. Maybe you have something to add to it. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 08:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Boing!, thanks for that. I'll try to add a source or two at Malav also. - Sitush ( talk) 09:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - I was being lazy. That is the right way to do it. Aymatth2 ( talk) 14:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sure! :) Just send me a test mail using "Email this user" option and I'll attach the file in my reply. Well, the influence of Velamas on the Justice Party was quite strong for sometime but not always. I personally feel that the party was more strongly dominated by the Kapus of the Telugu country and the Vellalars and Chettys from the Tamil country along with a significant proportion of Nairs from Malabar.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your sympathy. :) Whenaxis ( contribs) DR goes to Wikimania! 20:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
But are topic bans logged anywhere? The block log seems to be no more and no less than its name. JanetteDoe ( talk) 16:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
please try to view edits from a bunts perspective.its commonsense to have images of popular celebrities on page rather than some unseen scholar or billionaire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.151.208.146 ( talk) 14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello my friend. I could use a hand tracking down the copyvio source for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikshvaku_dynasty#Ikshvaku_dynasty_in_chronological_order_up_to_present
Chunks are finding their way into other articles via copy paste. It stinks of copyvio and I can't use waybackmachine, and I keep getting blocked from the verbatim google matches I see. Thanks for any help you can give. Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah ha. I see you've found it before. Well, enwp has chunks all over the place. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC
As discussed earlier, Pervez Dewan's book "Jammu Kashmir Ladakh" ISBN 81-7049-179-7 was used to sight the population census of India. However, you have reverted the same stating that Dewan is not a reliable source. Would like to understand why do you think so. Have explained earlier that he was the 'Divisional Commissioner of Kashmir' while writing this book - which in India means he 'signed off' on all population census figures. So in a manner speaking, he was an authority on the official records in the state. I see no reason to doubt that he would provide wrong population figures in his book about Kashmir. Can you explain your concern. ' Ambar ( talk) 05:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, sorry to bother you, but if I followed my guts, I'd send
this article straight to AFD... Would you be willing to please take a look at it when you have a moment, to see if it can be salvaged or if my approach is the best one? Thanks.
Salvio
Let's talk about it! 13:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Brahma_Kamal. Thanks. [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 18:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
You mentioned in your ES that the Diet section with mentions of pork and buffalo "seems okay" but didn't restore it. Was that a mistake, or are we re-examining those cites? I'd be less concerned were it not for the fact that pork/buffalo removal would fall into the "remove absolutely anything that could be seen as negative" editing tactic. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 00:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I feel ur last edit not in accordance WP:NPOV. Plz do not be unilaterally judgmental. Warning: Plz do not delete well ref content. Use proper tagging and talk pages to resolve. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaychandra ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I wonder why you do not want the page on Rewari improved. The entire page is in shambles and I find several deletions from you, never any improvements. You are doubting my latest reference on Hemu on Rewari page calling it dubious. Please send to me your e-mail Id and I'll send to you the photo copy of the reference I have cited. Also please do not delete this edit till the issue is sorted out, whether, the citation is true or dubious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.121.163 ( talk) 15:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush Ji,You have raised three objections on a minor point. Now it is for sure that Hemu was born somewhere, otherwise there was no need to talk about him. As per his community and decendents whose Trust is mentioned above, which you have called 'an advocacy group', Hemu, was born at Machheri village in Rajasthan. There are other citations also on this by various writers. What bewilders me, why any one would 'advocate' for a simple immaterial fact. However, if there is any other claim that Hemu was born in a particular city, I would like to be enlightened on this. I had put the fact of his birth at Maccheri on the page to remove an absurd comment which said (although he was born elsewhere). When I deleted the words written in brackets as they diluted the contents, my comments were removed by you; when I added his birth place Maccheri, you do not accept this also. Second issue is of proportion. Hemu, his Haveli in Rewari are important for Rewari page as Hemu was the only Hindu ruler, who won 22 battles across North India and who could rule from Delhi briefly out of the long span of 1192-1947. So this makes important for Rewari page to carry a few (3-4) sentences on Hemu. Third issue you have raised is of overegging the pudding? No way.Simple facts with no adjectives look impressive about him. There is no pampering. Also, you visit the page frequently. Do you find it in good shape ? Please suggest how to improve it. sk
Could you take a look at this article if you get the chance? I deleted an entire unreferenced section but the whole thing looks like cruft to me. I'm hopeless on caste issues! -- regentspark ( comment) 14:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I think your recent deletion of the content from Patna College is almost like vandalism. What you call as trivial without any justification is not proper at all. This also smacks of bias against this and similar other articles. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I do not think that the anniversary events are umpteen, they are only a few. The details may be edited and can be made more to the point and impressive. But to delete them completely without giving any chance to justify and by using words such as 'trivial' is highly improper. We should better not compare Peterhouse, Cambridge with Patna College. If we look at history we may find that there were no Peterhouse, Cambridge or University of Oxford some thousand years back. The excellent universities in the world did exist but they were in different parts of the world. At the same time when Patna College or other good colleges got started they tried to follow the examples of Peterhouse, Cambridge or University of Oxford because they had become excellent by that time. No one knows where will the excellence emerge in the coming few years.
By the way you are a great wikipedian, I understand. But You are not fair in this context at all. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
If you think that those details about the events are not necessary, then you may be right. However according to your own arguments they may be included in brief. So the issue is only about the way they should be presented. They should not be deleted, especially when everything has been supported with reliable references.
You are, thus, requested to revert them with due editing. This will improve the article further. I have no other intention in persisting with my point of view. If this improves the article, nothing like that. Let us not be personal about this. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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Any chance that Bob1781 ( talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet (of YK perhaps)? Could someone, maybe Qwyrxian, do an RFCU? I'm flat out of time. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
It could be Sarvajna. Might be worth checking, if you're able to. True it is one edit, but an edit to unfairly influence a vote, which is a no-no. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 07:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Sigh. Makes me want to propose a new policy: WP:TOLDYOUSO. JanetteDoe ( talk) 16:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Sitush! I have seen that you have edited the Notable Jadeja section of the page, erasing names of notable Jadejas on account of poor references cited. Could you please provide guidelines for sources that are permissible as the ones I have used were seen to me as being sufficient? I am unsure as to what is permissible when proving 'ethnicity'? Thank you in advance. Tamasic ( talk) 19:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
As far as those policies apply to caste-type assertions, there are a lot of experienced contributors to Wikipedia who consider caste claims to be just another form of ethnicity, and therefore self-identification is required if living, and really good sources even if they are dead. Merely bearing a name that is commonly used by a caste group is insufficient to meet the test because, well, there are always exceptions to the rule, often even in India itself. Also, I could quite easily and at a low cost (currently £37 UK) legally chance my last name to "Jadeja", for example, and so any statements that we make here based on last names are ultimately original research. Is this enough information for you to understand what is going on? - Sitush ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so very much for your kind time. Information noted. I understand that it is possible for one to change their name, therefore an assumption of notability based on surname alone is not reliable. So now, with context to the names of deceased Jadejas that I had included, what references would be permissible? K.S. Ranjitsinhji, K.S. Digvijaysinhji and Kumar Shree Duleepsinhji are most certainly not individuals that changed their name by deed poll. They were the Jam Sahebs of Nawangar and have been widely documented as being so. To not include K.S. Ranjitsinhji, an international cricketing luminary who's own Wiki page meets all requirements, would do disservice to the 'Notable Jadeja' section. Remedy- would it be possible to cite a reference that explicitly states that the title of Jam Saheb is only bestowed upon the Jadeja rulers? Thereafter to follow up citing a source where the individual in question is referred to by their title? I look forward to your kind feedback. Thank you. Tamasic 03:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
This talk page is watched by quite a few people and perhaps someone else will jump in with a different opinion. I do not always get things right ;) - Sitush ( talk) 08:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
"I do not always get things right" Now this is an understatement if there ever was one, I am absolutely seething with anger and extremely frustrated at complete ignorance shown by you regarding the article "Jadeja", may I please ask what right or what knowledge you have regarding the history and origins of jadeja ? I am sure zilch or zero. I had painstakingly gathered all the information related to the clan, myself being one, have done any research at all ? the refrences that were given by me were from the English representative that were stationed at bhuj during the time of Maharao Deshulji, and these books could be found in the gazzette of bombay and english presidency during the time British rule in india, I cannot belive that absolutely all the information has been deleted..
Khengar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.222.90 ( talk) 21:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Another mystery. Looks like someone has written a research paper on wikipedia (or is this a real term?) -- regentspark ( comment) 20:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
done. Needs some cleanup to confine it to its mythological definition. -- regentspark ( comment) 17:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow. This must be the longest thread on my talk page in which I have had no involvement! My apologies to all who are involved - I have spent the last few days 90 feet (27 m) up two trees, cutting them down. Well, they are now a little bit shorter, but there is still some way to go.
I am pretty thick when it comes to the ancient Indian texts etc. I know of the major ones - the Puranas etc - and know when they are definitely not suitable as sources per Wikipedia standards, but most of this goes over my head, sorry. Nonetheless, feel free to continue the discussion here and, yes, I am learning something from it.
An aside: thanks to MikeL and Boing for doing the necessary clean ups elsewhere on this page, in my absence. - Sitush ( talk) 00:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, you have reverted the definition of 'Pandit' from the Kashmiri Pandit Page. I put it there to explain the meaning of the word and its derivative / relavance in Indian society. However, you have also called it a CopyVio? -- Ambar ( talk) 11:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I have further added to the Kashmiri Pandit article and made some formatting improvements. Kindly take a look at it in my sansbox and leave your comments. -- Ambar ( talk) 06:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, Thank you for your invitation. I have commented on the issue Talk:Caste_system_in_Kerala#Relevance_of_a_recent_contribution. -- AshLey Msg 11:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by me deleting messages. My page was getting large and cumbersum so I deleted some of the earlier messages, which have been all been responded too. For the record, I have also responded to your messages, but rarely has to been extended to my messages.-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
You reverted my edits to Ezhava with an edit summary of "Sorry, but I am not convinced that most of these edits agree with the sources (or the lack thereof)." Well yeah, they might not agree with all the sources, but I swear all that I added, all that I added, came from those sources in stone. I know my description was awkward, which I plan to fix, and go ahead...revert me! SanctusofRajput ( talk) 20:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
You reverted my good faith edits claiming that spam comes from my sources? I don't understand. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School has a chequered history here on Wikipedia because there has in the past been the appearance of spamming and non-neutral editing. Since your edit mentioned PCCS in a somewhat peculiar context given the general nature of the article, I thought it best to remove it until someone decides to respond with the necessary information. - Sitush ( talk) 20:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. We're all M.S. in Ed online students and our task this week is to edit a wiki. While I see that the other students edits are not meeting the standards of wikipedia, mine had sourced material that was reporting criticism. I'm new to this and won't get back to you soon. I wish you had read my edit before deleting it, because it is not spam and was an attempt to add further information. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Franciscan University of Steubenville, Dr. Clint Born. What was the problem with my contribution then, if I may ask? Pcm130 ( talk) 20:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Regarding your edit, well, it certainly was sourced etc but the PCCS issue gave rise to doubts. I could reinstate it but right now I think it is more important to get some liaison going. Here at Wikipedia, people are expected to collaborate and if Dr Born is going to mark you or others down because you have been unable to edit then (a) we always rate highly the willingness of contributors who are prepared to discuss & you should let Dr Born know this (perhaps direct him here?) and (b) once some liaison is sorted out then perhaps we can lift the semi-protection and allow edits to resume.
I am very grateful, honestly, for your co-operation. - Sitush ( talk) 20:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Is PCCS, PA-cyber? I will email Dr. Born to let him know. I can't guarantee he will contact you. Thanks. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Why you revert the sourced addition. It will be treated as vandalism if you continue like this as the source is from reliable. The actor told he did not join this alliance behalf of communityl; He did not tell he was not behalf of from this community. -- Jenith ( talk) 12:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The article contains - as a main part - a chapter named "Karp's technique". Than follows "Criticism" - dealing with the problematic aspects of this techniques, not so much with the problematic person of Karp. So I think my contribution on just this technique is a useful aspect of the whole page. Otherwise this problematic "calming reflex" can be mentioned, while a rational critique cannot. Mr. bobby ( talk) 14:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey Sitush, can you have a look at the recent edits? My knowledge of geography isn't that great. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 14:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
You have removed the logo of Patna University by using some rule which must be convincing. But at the same time we must find the rule to include that logo in the article. Though I do not know who that that editor is I think he has made a good attempt and he should be guided to put the logo at the right place in a right manner. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
If you have deleted this in a rush and as you admit you are not an expert of images, then you are requested to help include the logo for the article. Someone had done that out of a sheer desire to improve the article. The spirit should be encouraged by all of us. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll drop a note on their talk page, asking whether they would be prepared to review. - Sitush ( talk) 00:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much, both Sitush and Magog the Ogre for the contribution to the article. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I tried adding Poikayil Appachan to the list of social reformers and activists. I found it removed by you, reason being "Cannot see any sourced verification of Paraiyar status in the linked article". In the wiki page for [Poikayil Appachan], I've mentioned the references: J. W. Gladstone (1984). Protestant Christianity and people's movements in Kerala: a study of Christian mass movements in relation to neo-Hindu socio-religious movements in Kerala, 1850-1936. Seminary Publications. Retrieved 14 April 2012. (Page 264). I couldnt understand how else I could do the same. Please clarify, I will try providing the same.
On the same note, many other leaders on the Paraiyar wiki is left with no reference. Am I allowed to remove them on good faith note ? ~Regards.
Sitush, Almithra is correct, the article Poikayil Appachan explicitly states his Paraiyar origin, with cite. Restoring to Paraiyar, and including the cite regarding his birth community. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 04:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Please see the edit warring being indulged in by User:BlueMario1016 regarding Devanagri scripts on the page above, even after I've explained the consensus reached on India notice board to him at my talk page here. I'd appreciate your intervention. Regards, Lovy Singhal ( talk) 02:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear User:Sitush, hi, and thanks, reg the reversion of my earlier edits on the above article! However, just for the record and to help me understand properly please (Im afraid Im still not v good enough with all the technical aspects) could you kindly elaborate the problems with these two articles, that were removed? I didn really understand from the Edit summary. Would be grateful, regs, Khani100 ( talk) 12:23, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100
Your contribution added three names, one of whom is a living person. There were no citations to verify their ethnicity, nor were there any in the linked articles. - Sitush ( talk) 12:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Wrote a few "articles about books" recently about some of the old Raj publications; historiography is an interest of mine, and the debate about which old sources work when and don't on caste has been interesting. So I wrote a few short articles (and it was a tail-pain trying to find proper sources by slogging through dozens of gBooks hit where they cite the book but don't describe it). It vaguely seems they should have a cat, so I slapped together Category:Manuals and gazetteers of India.
Do you have any suggestions about tweaking, filling, etc. this cat, other top-priority Manuals/Gazetteers I should put up stubs for, or better ways to integrate this and them into the cat tree? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
I've completed the review at Talk:Herbert Hope Risley/GA1 and just waiting for your response before passing. Please check my edits for accuracy. [3] It's very interesting and I hope your write more about all this. It's a whole angle on India not really covered in the encyclopedia, as far as I know. In this way, wikipedia excels. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 18:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I was somewhat able to add categories and stubs towards Achita Pramote, so someone would be able to correct some of the errors on the page, as well as adding more info.
BlueMario1016 ( talk) 17:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I cannot speak or read any language other than English, or at least not with any degree of confidence (a bit of French and Spanish etc, but nothing great). If you cannot resolve the potential issues regarding notability then it could well be that someone nominates the article for deletion. That person will not be me because TV subjects are something else where I have not a lot of experience. I would imagine that there is a Thai Wikiproject and perhaps even a Thai Film Wikiproject - if you get stuck then an appeal for additional information on the talk page of such a project might be worthwhile. But, please, do not panic: my main reason for leaving you a message was to draw your attention to some of the basics, such as WP:MOSFLAG. - Sitush ( talk) 23:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush: Kindly give some more time to add reliable resources to Muzhukkadhan article. Just now I found few people who are in great position in this kootam. If it is not possible means we can merge the article with List of Kongu-Vellalar kootams — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.186.146 ( talk) 08:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes the NLC plant is in Harbor estate which comes under corporation limit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Thoothukudi South Ward no. 60, Harbor http://thoothukudicorp.tn.gov.in/features_streetdetails.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 11:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
clarified? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Ravi My Tea Kadai 13:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, you really should get to work! Drmies ( talk) 04:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I've got no expertise in Keralan history, but Thiyyar appears to be an article fork of controversial additions that you've reverted from Ezhava. Would you mind taking a look, and either correcting errors or tagging for improvement as needed? Please also note that there are several other new redirects to this new article. Thanks, Scopecreep ( talk) 12:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
AndieM (Am I behaving?) 14:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Could you explain why you removed the source from the Hindu in Vidya Balan's article? Has there been any consensus or rule to say that a person has to "self-identify her ethnicity"? Secret of success 12:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I have found some reliable sources where you can find this content clearly mentioned :"A Muhamadan Jat Clan (Agricultural) found in Montgomery " , Source : Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province, 1911, Vol II, H. A. Rose, read Page number 356
I think now you should redirect the Janjua Jat page to it's original place. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.230.0 ( talk) 13:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
More he has used : Janjuha, A Muhamadan Jat Clan (Agricultural) found in Montgomery, and the same is used for Janjua a Rajput clan so what is the issue in it :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.153.232 ( talk) 18:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Because both the group are related to each other but they have few differences like don't marry in each other and stuff like this. I think this should be given extensive attention to resolve the matter. And if you do that would be your role in making things clear to the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.153.232 ( talk) 07:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Lets say i' am putting forward a link that says that Mr X is the current President of US; while we know who the current incumbent is;will you simply blindly accept the fact because the 'source' says soo?.Certainly NEVER.That would amount to a massive blunder and an act of knowingly causing denigration of the standard of wikepedia articles.Your recent edits on an article speaks volume of the misleading edits you are making while trying to revert actual facts that his contemporaries;biographers,the governments of his home state and country have time and again well documented in archives(Being Obvious Important part of his life). Let say; you made an edit "a Giant great ship sank in 1912 which left for NY from Southampton"(you know the name) and i am putting some sources that say "no such ship sank in 1912". And then, keep on reverting and re-reverting just because if this insane ignorance of facts. Your ability cannot be questioned but you need to keep up the facts presented to you, not mere 'good faith edits' but edits that invoke faith in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.80.102 ( talk) 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I had absolutely no idea what you were referring to until I checked your edit history, from which it seems likely that your complaint relates to Jayaprakash Narayan. I also note that after posting here you made some edits to that article and those edits have been reverted. I think that if I am correct in my assumption and if you want to pursue the matter then it would probably be best for you to take it to Talk:Jayaprakash Narayan, where you may get a wider audience than here. However, I stand by my actions and will do so should you venture a similar argument on that talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 22:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Your arguments are not up to mark and won't help anymore to assume good faith. Deemed-Universities are not Universities; llly, deemed to be outside doesn't mean outside. Hope you got the point. I have proposed some correction here: Talk:Caste_system_in_Kerala#New_Christians_untouchable_to_Syrians.3F -- AshLey Msg 08:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Look, I need to read through some of your sources - especially those that appear possibly to be written/published by Christian-oriented people because of potential bias etc - and this sideshow is a distraction. I've got one on order but hope that I can find the rest online somewhere. - Sitush ( talk) 13:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I have been trying to upload the photo of Prof. Raj Reddy on this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Reddy. The photo has been taken by a Chinese Professor when Prof. Reddy visited China. He has given us permissions to use his photo on the Wiki page. Whenever I try uploading the image and I mention that I have the rights to publish the photo, the photo gets removed. What am I doing wrong? Please advise how I can upload the photo in a manner that is acceptable.
Please let me know of a quick fix to this problem.
-Vishnu — Preceding
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contribs) 09:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
As far as the Commons one is concerned, you need to see the thread here, where it is clear that you have not in fact complied with policy. You added a notice saying that the Professor was emailing permission for us to use the file (the "OTRS" procedure) but nothing has been received over a period of several months and as such it is at present a violation of the Prof's copyright. I suggest that you comment in that thread, but you perhaps also should be aware that similar images are to be found on various websites and I am not 100% certain that the photo is in fact even the Prof's copyright: why would a photo taken by a Prof in China become the official photo used on the website of an Indian university, for example? It seems to me to be fairly unusual. - Sitush ( talk) 09:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
The photo of Prof. Reddy was taken by one of his friends who is a Professor in China. Prof. Reddy likes this photo of all of the photos of him. I had put up some other photos of Prof. Reddy on the wiki page but they were not of good quality. I had mentioned that I have permisson of the Chinese Prof to put up this photo. But how do I submit the email? I remember forwarding that email to permissions-en <permissions-en@wikimedia.org> as was prescribed on Wiki when I was uploading the photo. I thought that was enough. What else needs to be done? Please advise.
Vishnugsr ( talk) 04:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Vishnu
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Kurmi". Thank you. -- Jaychandra ( talk) 19:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the BLP prod tag you placed on Vice Admiral Iyer, which I have since moved to Nilakanta Krishnan, because nominating an article for BLP prod requires that there be no sources on the article at the time of nomination, regardless of whether or not they are reliable. You removed a source from the article 5 minutes before adding the BLP prod tag. While I agree that that source was unreliable, it did back claims made in the article, making the article ineligible for a BLP prod nomination.
Additionally, the subject is deceased, so BLP prod may likely have been moot anyways. When I place BLP prod tags, I err on the side of caution and assume the person is living if born within the last 115 years unless the article states that the person is deceased, regardless of what reliable or unreliable sources might say, so I can't expect you to have known that given the information provided in the article. — KuyaBriBri Talk 14:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I have done some editing on Nilakanta Krishnan. Would request help from the Military history task forces. Any idea how to go about this? Anant ( talk) 11:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
You had posted the following note, in my talk page. Since I am a novice, in matters concerning editing wiki entries, can I kindly have some clarification?
Making comments such as you have done in opening the thread here] is a very quick way to upset people. Please do not twist words to suit your own purpose. - Sitush (talk) 11:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
1) What is the technical problem? Is it that opening this thread (I am learning this word for the first time), will create different discussions in different forums? 2) If that is the reason for you to get upset, I can empathise with you! Sorry. But I dont think I have twisted any words to suit any purpose of mine?
And talking of "purpose". At the end of the day, can we remind ourselves that we are talking of an Indian war hero? Dead and not much known to the present generation? Does his memory deserve to be remembered in wikipedia? And how to go about this in the most effective manner? I had inserted a paragraph from the Australian Navy papers,(which references were provided I think by you) on why he was awarded the Distinguished service cross. And you have removed that? If it is a problem of writing style, well that can be remedied? But do have any problem with the content? I think it is an official publication of the Australian Navy? Anant ( talk) 12:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't care whether the article is about an alleged war hero or a cartoon character, the stuff about his DSC was undue weight and it is not even the thing for which, according to your own edits, he is best known. If someone wants to read the medal citation or a detailed account of the events leading up to the award etc then those are freely available to them in the cited source: we do not usually quote huge chunks in the manner that you did. - Sitush ( talk) 14:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Would you have any problem if N.M.Iyer, ICS, CIE is allowed to remain in the list of Iyers? I do not think the reason to remove this entry also, was a sound one? Anant ( talk) 04:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, he used Iyer as his surname? He was selected for the Indian Civil Services, and seems to have done well enough to earn a CIE? So the chances of frauding on his Iyer ethnicity is low? And there is information that his father was also Iyer? What are the usual ways to prove this, especially for people no longer alive?
I also kindly presume that we agree that being selected for the ICS and then getting a CIE is enough to be deemed "notable"?
Anant ( talk) 12:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, not sure if you were already tracking on this guy, but he's going to dozens of pages a day to add links to Thiyyar and remove any Ezhava mention, including rendering at least one page uncat by taking off the Category:Ezhava: Special:Contributions/14.139.160.4
Didn't want to mess with it myself in case you have a larger plan, but can we put this guy in for a mass rollback since he's offered zero explanation for any of this, and the very article in question in PROD'ed? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 18:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush, how are you? Don't you think we need to add some details (link possibly) in The cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and... which is the main ref of the article Saini? In Wikipedia we don't seem to have an article on the book, I have searched in Google, and search results informs the book is available in may sites, I feel we can link anyone to make it clear! -- Tito Dutta Message 00:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
, But, in the article you have mentioned about 1885 edition and book title of 1857. little bit confusing, I feel! -- Tito Dutta Message 01:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)The Encyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial, and Scientific, first published in 1857 with subsequent editions titled as the Cyclopaedia of India.
Hi I see that you have recently deleted several updates I have made. I will try to provide you with possible references, but there are some references to books that are available only in private collections in libvraries or even in snippets of google books for the lay surfer. I have updated most information only about these dignitaries who had already been created on wikipedia because I felt that the existing information was rather sketchy and incomplete. SInce I have personal information about Sir T Sadasiva iyer, R.V Srinivasa Aiyar and Sister Subbalakshmi , i have attempted to make the available information more thorough.Although mine was a work still in progress, I will attempt to provide authentic references. Some information is from Family chronicles as these dignitaries were all my ancestors Smuthusami ( talk) 02:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I will retract. We all want a scholarly discussion. But please everyone, no one personal comments. -- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 13:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush. Kindly respond to my question on
Talk:B._R._Ambedkar.
vishvAs Iyengar vAsuki (
talk) 16:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Done -
Sitush (
talk) 00:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
May I know where in WP:BLP is it mentioned that only court proven allegations can be included? In that case the title of the section will be convictions not controversies. There are not fill-in breaking news items, the controversy you removed is being extensively covered by national media. You must be knowing that. Keeping her article clean of "controversies" is not going to help to clean off her scandalous presidential stint.-- Anoopkn ( talk) 21:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I have no connection with India but neutrality is one of the pillars of Wikipedia. You cannot go around using adjectives etc such as these without extremely good support. That is WP:BLP for you, and it is a policy that has been determined by an extremely wide consensus. - Sitush ( talk) 22:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if you noticed, but FYI, SalariaRajput took out the part from the main summary where it said the Saini claims were disputed. It took a long time to get it there, but now it's gone again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 03:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help. Looking forward to your support in future. Sam.ldite ( talk) 15:54, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
now is it ok ? Shrikanthv ( talk) 14:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC) list of iyers
I'd seen this alluded to in some articles, and though this bit isn't cited it does seem credible and clear things up: Tamil_honorifics#-n.2C_-l.2C_-r
I'll try and find a cite for it at some point, but googling phonetics is always a pain. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Please respond [4] Ganesh J. Acharya ( talk) 16:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
[5]-- Shrike ( talk) 14:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Please do not add unreferenced or
poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about
living persons, as you did to
List of Jats. Thank you.
Sitush (
talk) 16:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The name I added to jat links in cinema is Dharmendra, and the article I used to reference it had a quote from his son Sunny Deol saying Dharmendra is "the best looking jat he knows." Those are words coming directly out of his son's mouth at a press interview where both father and son were present. If such a reference is not valid, then the reference of listing Dara Singh on the site as a jat is also not valid because the article that referenced for Dara Singh didn't have anyone saying he is a jat, it was just stated by the writer that he is a jat. Also for Dharmendra's claim, the article that is used to reference Malika Sherawat has her saying "we both jats" referring to her and Dharmendra in his presence. Also there are many other jat's listed on the list in other sections like sports like Virendra Sehwag and a many others that have no reference attached, yet you have them on the list, and yet eventhough I'm providing reference for Dharmendra you are refusing. Please check the reference I have given for Dharemendra, read the article and you will see what his son says, and his son's statment making Dharmendra a Jat then also makes Sunny Deol a Jat. Teamaps ( talk) 17:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)-- Teamaps ( talk) 17:13, 27
Please see the following article that his his son Sunny Deol saying Dharmendra is "the best looking jat" he knows from the The Hindustan Times http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/I-was-missing-the-camera-Dharmendra/Article1-635872.aspx
Why did you remove all of edits done in U._G._Krishnamurti#Philosophy? The sources cited are available on the internet to verify and there is little interpretation involved. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 19:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Regarding Narayan, if you want to challenge then you know where to do it. - Sitush ( talk) 20:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Left on the Talkpage. Please respond. On Kashmir issues, which are always controversial require that any article to be well balanced.
I have deleted this sentence as it is not referenced. The conversion to Islam by the Kashmiris was the result of a number of unique historically and sociological reasons, not as a result of simply corruption by the Dammara feudal class or their Lohara overlords.
It was as a consequence of their many disputes with the kings of the Lohara dynasty, during a prolonged period of corruption, internecine fighting and misrule, that the region eventually passed into control by Muslim rulers.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 10:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I suspect you are POV pedlar with an underlined ideology, which has no place in what should be a neutral encyclopedia. But refrain from character assassinations.
Once again Sitush has begun his character assassination. "creator of these articles spends a lot of time creating (usually rather poor quality) new articles based on gutting a single source and then usually abandons the effort". Please retract.-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
You prove that it is "once again" and I will prove that it is not a character assassination. You have created loads of low-quality stubs, despite your considerable experience here, and I recently had to spend quite a bit of time sorting some of them out. Your real issue here is, I think, that I have nominated some of your articles for deletion & one has already been deleted. Get over it, please. - Sitush ( talk) 14:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
How can we discuss anything if you keep deleting my edits without even verifying the sources? If you had a problem with either of the sources, the first one is a translation by Swami Madhavananda and the second one is an interpretation by Swami Krishnananda, you could have placed a 'failed verification' tag there. Both according to me are secondary sources and even if you feel that a translation is debatable as a secondary source, you should not have removed the content associated with second reference. I have given the links, page numbers, chapter numbers there. Please verify the links and then tell me why you find the content objectionable. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 12:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I know that some essays etc - eg: WP:BRD - have gained an almost pseudo-policy status but the draft proposal that you link to has not and the message that you note is an indication that its wording is far from settled. FWIW, it actually does not say much of relevance that I have not already pointed out to Correct Knowledge. I think that the problem here is the CK is an intelligent, knowledgeable, new-ish contributor who can't quite get to grips with the limitations that Wikipedia imposes. Well, it is either that or I have made a really, truly bad call with regard to WP:PRIMARY, WP:OR etc. I guess that sooner or later I am bound to make a really bad call, but I always comment etc in good faith. - Sitush ( talk) 20:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, If it is so, it is not vandalism but my mistake; you can revert my edit if you wish...However, Suryavamsa comes historically first. Rajkris ( talk) 23:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Shrike ( talk) 10:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, thanks for your edits on Saint Thomas Christians. Edit warring on the page Saint Thomas Christians started when an editor began massive edit warring on the page in september 2011 when the page was called Syrian Malabar Nasrani. His edits shows a casteist agenda, promoting the brahmin myth of the syrian christians. He systematically removed all references to Jewish tradition of the Nasrani people and has been adding over hundred years old citations to support his casteist agenda. I am afraid I should say he got away with a lot of pov edit because he worked in tandem with another editor. You are right there is no standard term used for the said community on the page. The original term for the so called 'syrian christians' is Nasrani Mappila. Other appellation include Mar Thoma Nasrani and Malabar Nasrani. The article was renamed to the portuguese term 'Christians de sant Thome' ( Saint Thomas Christians) in december 2011. Obviously that creates a problem. The term for the community is Nasrani Mappila or Malabar Nasranis. By using the term Saint Thomas Christians one makes it mandatory that all the individuals hailing from the community is a religious christian. It need not be so. There are several atheist in the community who are definitely Nasrani Mappila but not Saint Thomas Christian. Robin klein ( talk) 17:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I am grateful for your understanding regarding the issue: I think that there may be scope for some sort of compromise but I really need to see those sources in full. - Sitush ( talk) 00:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I just got your message on my talk page. It appears that someone else has already blocked Jogytmathew for 24 hours. Perhaps that admin will be of help to you if the problem persists after the block expires? Let me know if you need further help. Nightscream ( talk) 03:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
You said earlier that a compromise rewording could accomodate even the Northist claim. Why dont you please suggest a rewording that would be consistent with the sources and quote. Since it is not that there is no suggestion of jewish connection. Just a line would be fair for all the groups involved. Please I think, a single line of rewording would be fair. There are other people who are reverting. I understand that you may think it is me and may feel like taking your anger on me. Please dont doubt me. I sincerely was waiting for you to suggest a fair rewording than an abrupt one sided end. You asked me to make a self revert and I did. I requested you for a fair rewording. I sincerely believe you have the skill to do so. Please reconsider a fair rewording. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 05:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Freedom Fighters of India by Lion MG Agrawal is one. I remember you were compiling a list, so add this one if you will. Perhaps it's time to start documenting a list at a subpage of WT:INB. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 11:31, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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Dear Sitush,
I am totally new to Wikipedia and have no idea how to insert citations... I'm trying to learn on the go, so please forgive my mistake in not inserting proper citations.
All my material is very verifiable! Most of the information is from Monica Felton's biography of R.S.Subbalakshmi's life, titled, "A Child Widow's Story", and also from Malathi Ramanathan's PhD thesis titled, Sister R.S.Subbalakshmi, Social Reformer and Educationist.
Sister R.S.Subbalakshmi is my great grand aunt and we, the family, are on a drive to bring her and all her work back into the public eye. I have some pictures that we have agreed can be shown and used through open source. I have yet to figure out how to insert them. Please help me here. How do I re-instate all that you have removed, and also add the citations, and pictures?
KaveriBharath (
talk) 15:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Monica Felton wrote two books. One on Rajaji, and the other on Sister Subbalakshmi. It is a far more reliable source than Madras Musings, where Mr.Muthaiah takes information that anyone sends him. My aunt Nithya and I have sent several clippings and pictures about Queen Mary's College, Sister Subbalakshmi, and the Ice House, (Vivekanadar Illam)to him, which he has published without any credit to the sources. My father and grandfather were present many times during Monica Felton's interviews of Sister Subbalakshmi, as they all lived in a joint family cluster of houses back then. Monica Felton's books are available on flipkart, if you want. Monica Felton herself died by 1970.
Malathi Ramanathan who wrote the other book which is derived from her thesis on Sister Subbalaksmi's life, lives in Bangalore. The other sources that Sunil has cited are the Sister Subbalakshmi Centenary Souvenir which the family and members of the Sarada Ladies Union published in 1986. That souvenir, if you will send me your email, I can scan page by page and send you if you want.
As far as copyright is concerned, all the photographs belonged to Sister Subbalakshmi's nephew, V.S.Shankar. Before he passed away, he handed them all over to my aunt, Nithya. She, (Nithya) and I have been putting together all of Sister Subbalakshmi's life history and publications and photographs and are presenting it over this entire year at various venues in Chennai, especially at the institutions that she headed / started / managed. We felt it would be good to have the information on the wikipedia too, as she was a very humble person who didn't push her name out to the forefront, and with the 50s and 60s anti-brahmin agitations, her name has slowly been pushed out of prominence.
I have no idea why you are so apprehensive about our sources and so suspicious about this article.
KaveriBharath ( talk) 07:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
KaveriBharath ( talk) 09:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Since SubQuad apparently missed the enormous notice that you have to notify editors who you bring to ANI, I'll handle it for you; I don't have time to move it from the top to the bottom just now, but I figured you should know. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 18:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I used that source, it was Joseph Massad. Just added the book to the bibliography, must have missed it before. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 15:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw your wild and crazy ramblings on Drmies' page. There is a an editor ( User:Titodutta) who uses Ubuntu, but can't get WINE to to recognize an .exe. He is attempting to run AWB. I'm a fedora/redhat user and I'm running an older version, so I'm not much help. Any chance you could help him out? Bgwhite ( talk) 07:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
G-d this is hard to navigate. To Sitush: what have you done my son?? You've pretty much zeroed in on the Baraki/Burki and removed their history etc etc all in the name of "puffery"!! Let's not even go there...that is indeed ironic given your research interests. Guess it is time to tell the truth and place it under a new title "The Burki tribe." As to making them "Punjabi" and also the Kaniguram ones "not Pushtun" I suggest you actually contact some and ask them about their marital habits of this xenophobic tribe. V/R BB Shalom/Salaam/Namaste — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baraki Barak ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I am trying to get hold of this book Die Ethnischen Gruppen Afghanistans : Fallstudien zu Gruppenidentität und Intergruppenbeziehungen which has some execellent work on both the Urmar and related Paracha people of Logar and the region south west of Kabul. Dupree also refers to both groups, who speak a related languages. The current
Paracha article needs some substantial reediting as well. I am disapointed to note you take a very jaundiced view on Rose, as latter works such Saghir Ahmad's ( a self-confessed Marxist) have used him as a source. We all accept that there was biase, but that still remains the case with every writer on Indian anthropology. The subalterns were biased as well. Stokes who I have used as a source on both the Pachhadas and Ranghar has been criticised, so has Bailey and Richard Fox, who wrote Clan Kin and Rajah on the Awadh Rajputs. In my view
Horace Arthur Rose with Pundit Harkishan Kaul are perhaps still the two best sources of Punjab ethnography, with the caveat that they were men of their time. --
WALTHAM2 (
talk) 11:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I want you justify your statements in the damara article.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I had to delete some text from the etymology section as it was previously removed for copyvio reasons (and then reinserted). I think you may have added to the section (I saw Stein included now), but as I can't be sure what's new vs what's from the original and derivative, could you add back what you added? cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 04:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for improving the encyclopaedia, both immediately, and by helping improve editors. I do greatly value the work you do. Fifelfoo ( talk) 10:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Kshatrajagatguru Benadikar Patil, V. K. Choudhry. — Spaceman Spiff 07:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Although I don’t entirely accept your point on Wikely, I am willing to provide Rose as an alternative source to Wikely. This will take sometime, and I am in fact taking a three month sabbatical from editing Wikepdia, hoping to restart sometime in mid August, when I intend to start with looking at each of the Punjabi Muslim tribal articles. I would rather work with other South Asia editors then against them, and this includes you.
I was also going to expand the article on Jot (ethnic group) of Afghanistan using the following sources:
Have you any comments on these sources.
Finally, there is a truly dreadful article Caste system among South Asian Muslims, which although referenced seems entirely POV. I have left it as is because it seems to be a hornet nests, have a look at the talkpage. Your views on this would be appreciated, as you have done some research on Risely. Especially I am concerned with ajlal arzal categories which are mentioned by Risely, and no one else. Ibbetson and Crook don’t mention them in there studies of North Indian and Punjab Muslims. My views on Risely difer from yours, but it is curious that there no more up to date information on these categories. When I get a chance, I will look at this document Dalits in the Muslim and Christian Communities (www.ncm.nic.in/pdf/report%20dalit%20%20reservation.pdf) which is authored by Satish Deshpande, who I understand has done some good work on the sociology of communalism, and see if there is anyy reference to arzal. The religious sanction bit also sounds dubious, and it relies on a single source Sikand. I am not dismissing Sikand, but Barani was a court historian and not an Islamic jurist. He might have expressed his views on caste, but this in no way means there was religious sanction. In my opinion this article should probably be renamed Social Stratification among South Asian Muslims, with the word caste replaced with caste-like, as caste as an institution is absent among Muslims and is universally condemened by Islamic stricpture. Your views would be appreciated.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 13:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Your immediate attention to the following-
File:Madhurendra Kumar Singh with supporters.jpg
The above file that has been excessively used,links forcefully added and provided at the different wikipedia pages & articles for deliberate promotion of a living person who lacks both notability and importance to be listed on Wikipedia from his home state in India.
The user with muliple IP addresses,either absolutely ignorant or either stubborn;in both the cases cannot be allowed to dictate terms .Sir, An article,specifically, it is about a person or group of people,whom have held constitutional offices of importance at state and national level are acceptable.It doesnot imply ever that their sons- daughters and kiths and kins would be accorded similar importance!(Unless they themselves are holding official positions of high order to be marked as important).The person being referred here has never been a MP(Member of Parliament) nor being a MLA (Member of Legislative Assembly) ever and never won an election at all in his life! Infact, time and again he has been rejected by the people of his own constituency where his supporters claim his 'hold of leadership'. This has been reported time and again and warned,Yet being consistently promoted which is extremely objectionable and a cowardly act.
ANOTHER LATEST IMAGE OF THE SAME PERSON(WHICH IS ILLOGICALLY PLACED ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS IMAGE,TWO IMAGES OF A SAME PERSON OF TOTAL NON-IMPORTANCE AT AN IRRELEVANT PLACE THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OFF)
File:Madhurendra Kr Singh In Madhuban.JPG
WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IMPLIES THAT THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES
Sheohar, Sitamarhi district, Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency), Sitamarhi Sitamarhi district
SHOULD CARRY THE ABOVE MENTIONED TWO IMAGE FILES(EVEN BOTH AT THE TIME AT MOST PLACES) JUST BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A KITH AND KIN OF A FORMER OFFICE BEARER(AND WORST)THE ANOTHER CURRENT IMAGE OF THE SAID PERSON IS UPLOADED HERE JUST TO PRESS FOR HIS OVER EXALTMENT TO IMPORTANCE AND ESTABLISH UNJUSTIFIED EMINENCE).
I HAVE REQUESTED FOR ITS SPEEDY DELETION BUT LACK OF PROPER DELETION NOMINATION HAS ENSURED THAT THE ADMINSTRATORS HAVE REVERTED THE PROPOSAL IN GOOD FAITH(AT FIRST PLACE THE FILE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE).SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OBVIOUSLY REQUESTED TO DELETE IT TOO BUT IT HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN THUS FACILITATING THE PROMOTION OF THE LESSER KNOWN INDIVIDUAL THROUGH HOAX AND FALSE FACTS AND CLAIMS.
SIR,AS EVIDENT FROM PAST RECORDS AND ONLINE RESPURCES(THAT INCLUDES PAST ELECTION RECORDS AND ARTICLES CARRYING INFO. ABOUT SAID INDIVIDUAL MENTIONED ON WIKIPEDIA PAGES).FOR INSTANCE, THE PERSON MADHURENDRA KUMAR SINGH MENTIONED HERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MP FROM SHEOHAR PARLIAMENTARY CONSTITUENCY YET WHILE THE IMAGES OF FORMER MPS, CURRENT MP from Sheohar IS NOT PROVIDED THERE;THE PICTURE OF A SELF PROCLAIMED LEADER HAS BEEN PUT UP HERE JUST TO FORCEFULLY CONVEY THAT HE IS VERY IMPORTANT .
THOUGH JUST HAVING FOUGHT ELECTIONS DOESNOT MEAN TO ACQUIRE THE IMPORTANCE TO BE INCLUDED AMONG PAGES THAT SHOULD IDEALLY CONTAIN DETAILS ABOUT CURRENT OR MAY BE FORMER OFFICE HOLDERS AND NOT ONE WHO 'ASPIRES' TO HOLD THE OFFICE!THE SAME IMAGE HAS ALSO BEEN INTRODUCED AT MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN PLACES;GENERALLY RELATED TO THE NATIVE PLACE OF THE PERSON WHERE HE IS TRYING TO PROMOTE HIMSELF.SOME REVERTED STILL, THEY WERE AGAIN PUSHED IN!! Being autocratic dosenot help Wikipedia. People's importance and notability lies open with their legislative experience and which is all but nothing here!! Their personal relation does not indicate how they are important or significant for state or country, and thus why they should be included in an encyclopedia. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AN HOAX IMAGE TAKEN IN PRIVATE CAPACITY MEANT TO UNNESSARILY PROMOTE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESNOT FITS TO BE MENTIONED AT SUCH IR-RELEVANT PLACES.ELSE,HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF SUCH 'SELF PROCLAIMED' LOCAL PERSONS CLAIMING TO BE IMPORTANT WILL HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO HOST THEIR IMAGES ANYWHERE AND AT THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTEREST . KINDLY CHECK THE FACTS AND DO THE NEEDFUL.
KINDLY FIX THE ISSUE AT THE EARLIEST! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.15.133 ( talk) 21:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Sir, Certainly, the entire promotional content was a hoax and blatant misuse of the voluntary contribution prerogative in Wikipedia to misguide and provide incorrect information and stimulate false exaltation of something without worthy importance or relevance at all.It would be difficult to find verifiable authentic citations for the hypothetical Overexaggeration!! They are non-existent contents meant for stupid political aggrandizement.I recently observed some edits by an IP address on the page
Gopalganj district, India and could not stop admiring the sheer nonsense notion presented to get the dreadful edit look meaningful.I am afraid, that is just the beginning of opening up of the full can of worms as such contents would be now arbitralily linked and added at numerous locations by multiple addresses and IDS.Such queer notions would be difficult to locate and analyze and sort out. I am well aware that it would be heartening that if the contents are strictly in accordance with the guidelines(Which is extremely unlikely!).There is a reasonable chance that,there would be massive follow up to cover the things or an endeavour to escape through the skin of the teeth.However, I would request the concerned administrators to kindly take cognizance of the important issue.Secondly, in a country like India, most of the archival sources,articles,biographical sketchs of persons of eminence and historical importance and documents are still in vernacular form and could be accessed through concerned websites and even Google Books Archives.I Would provide the links as much as possible for the actual content that is both realistic and verifiable, however everyone is quite helpless against total sheer fictional contents and hypothetical interpetation and excessive aggrandizement provided time to time.This is something to be both widely discussed at relevant forums and minutely looked after by concerned people.I would furthur request you to kindly take a vigil of the contents, that are all abominable.Because, there is a practical certainity that most of the things you have recognised as unworthy and not at all befitting an encyclopedia would be put back in some way or the other and such awful edits and many such non-sense additions may continue. — Preceding
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180.215.109.171 (
talk) 19:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, Sitush. I'm gonna have RSI before this is over. Drmies ( talk) 04:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Observed Blatant Revertion
Sir, I have observed the valid points being suitably discussed above.While going through it,There has been deliberate vandalism and entirely biased promotional content of insignificant relevance added at the page Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.221.23 ( talk) 09:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Now you have reintroduced those brackets. Shall you pls share some more info on the purpose of it? -- AshLey Msg 15:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Sitush ( talk) 15:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)If not used verbatim, any alterations must be clearly marked, i.e. [square brackets] for added or replacement text, an ellipsis (...) for removed text (see WP:ELLIPSIS for details), and emphasis noted after the quotation as "[emphasis added]" or "[emphasis in the original]".
Catching up with all the things people have asked me on my Talk page and I haven't had the time for...
Almost got down to May comments now :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you have edited several Indian last names (caste) pages. Can you please take a look at Dhillon as well? It appears to be in an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.4 ( talk) 22:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sir, the page Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency) requires your immediate attention as substancial amount of unsourced content appearing to be entirely bonafide case of presenting heavily biased content is being done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.213.202 ( talk) 07:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Mr. ass Tush, I saw on Drmies talk page you were thankful for the Wire and Homeland. I just wanted to say thank you for your British TV. Season 2 of Sherlock just started. Love Dr. Who and Coupling... All three by
Steven Moffat and he is a genius. IT Crowd has to be the funniest show ever. Downton Abbey, Torchwood, 1900 House series, Being Human, Mr. Bean, Wallace and Gromit and Brittas Empire. However, you have given us the abomination of Big Brother, Skins and anything Simon Cowell has touched. If you haven't seen, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones, I'd suggest them.
Bgwhite (
talk) 03:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Please put further criticism of the article at Talk:Banyan_merchants. Ask editors you know to be knowledgeable of Indian Ocean trade to pitch in. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 07:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Wiktionary definition of
banyan. It is a Portuguese mispronunciation of Vaishya. It strikes me that you are deleting stuff just because you don't like the looks of it, without bothering to read it. Suggest you take time to read Wiktionary definition of
prejudice. Meanwhile, the banyan merchants of East Africa and Arabia are all yours. It is entirely up to you whether or not to inform readers of Vaishya that the English, due to the Portuguese having got there first, similarly mispronounced it during East India Company rule. I suppose it is too much to ask to point out that banyan merchants of India is a simple mispronunciation, and that they should not be confused with the similarly mispronounced banyan merchants from Gujarati, trading in their own peculiar way on the Arabian peninsula and in East Africa. --
Pawyilee (
talk) 08:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Don't take life so serious, son. It ain't nohow permanent. -- Porkypine, by Walt Kelly
-- Pawyilee ( talk) 12:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I have not added just a community in Kerala under Nair subsection and I know that doing the same will make the page more cumbursome. This particular caste if a section of Nair Community and is restricted to Palakkad district only. I found the details in http://www.nairs.in/classifications.htm about the same and then thought of adding it in the page.
Still if you are not convinced, let it be like the way it is.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snlkumark ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
the proof I can show for this is already casted in Manndiyar under etymology, page 455 of the caste and tribes of Souther India by Edgar Thurston. I have gven the inline citation there as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
219.91.246.122 (
talk) 10:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I thk=ink cannot be accepted according to wiki standard. — Preceding
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Snlkumark (
talk •
contribs) 10:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I think cannot be accepted according to wiki standard
I am compiling information from various books and are collecting information on the same. The process is in pipeline and will incorporate all the details with references under title 'Mannadiyar'. I dont think wiki should promote such articles which back supported by a regional language movie. The caste has rich culture and hereditery, whcich I think should be highly respected.
Will updated all the details and information in Mannadiyar soon with references. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.246.122 ( talk) 11:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
What we would usually do is make a proposal that the content of the two articles are merged, and we would merge in the direction of the article that has the more commonly used name (see WP:COMMONNAME). The merge proposal would itself need discussion and, to be honest, it is often a but of a pain to set up the correct notices etc. Can you give me a few days to look into the entire situation regarding spellings etc? I am away this weekend but after that I will either propose a merge, propose a deletion or explain to you why there is no chance of this happening (in my opinion!) Obviuously, you can keep on doing whatever it is that you are doing at Mannadiyar and you can also propose a deletion or merge yourself. Make yourself a large pot of tea and read WP:PROD, WP:AFD and WP:MERGE if you want to make a proposal. - Sitush ( talk) 11:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, User:Profvk recently added a link here that looked suspiciously like link spam. Looking at his contributions, it is clear that this user has been systematically spamming other articles of wikipedia as well, with links to his work. Can you do something about it? Thanks. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 12:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Saint Thomas Christians". Thank you. -- Robin klein ( talk) 20:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
There are thousands of Wikipedia pages with scripts other than English. Therefore, I was surprised about removal of the same on the Raniganj Coalfield page citing a recent RfC. Kindly enlighten me about this RfC, since it is not linked to the decision/ guideline. Cheers, - Chandan Guha ( talk) 02:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, no-one is going around just removing all of the extant scripts. Certainly, I just do it as I find them and in the case of the coalfield article that was because I arrived at it via doing some more detailed work at Asansol. - Sitush ( talk) 07:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. A discussion about a controversial piece of material with regard to WP:BLP is taking place here. Please spare a few moments to comment. Thank you. Secret of success ( talk) 16:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't say that it's 100% sure, but I believe there's 99% possibility that User:BozokluAdam is sockpuppet of Tirgil34. The same country (GER), the same ol' pan-Turkic POV-pushing in all articles related from Europe to India or China. -- 109.165.190.219 ( talk) 12:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
When you see a fact that you have known from childhood, is mis-represented in wikipedia, i thought, it is right to do the discussion. But a lot of questions are still unanswered.
3 Questions 1. Why are the following references of not available in the topic?
http://www.nias.res.in/docs/B4-2010-%20Mullaperiyar.pdf (also from IISC)
http://en.mapatlas.org/India/Mountain/Sivagiri_Malai/7177/road_and_satellite_map
(No other documents show the origin of the river, the Sivagiri Peak and the boundary)
2. Why is that text used in the topic is copying the words and not the complete stuff?
Why it is spreading half truth?
3. Discussion of the topic seems to more towards where the Sivagiri peak is situated.
The point I was raising was the logical reason why this mistake was made. I don't see any reference to the argument that i was putting forward in the entire talk.
The point that i did not discuss, is about the 114 sq km of catchment area, this area is not near the Sivagiri hills, but the near the Indira Gandhi National Park.
Sorry, it may be seen as rude, but the fact that people who does not know anything about the topic is taking decision based count of references and not the quality. For better judgment of facts in this issue, the following items should be considered 1. Nature of the writing and the author, whether he is an involved party (eg. Politician) 2. Understanding of the terrain, give importance to the references that deals with the origin, people who visited the area/understand the nature of the boundary between Tamil Nadu and Kerala. 3. Analyze the facts
Yes, you said, it. You are "Fairly sure". It clarifies my doubts that whether you did read the topic or not.
Do you have answers to any of the 3 questions that I asked?
I did not edit the topic, but put my arguments in the Talk, but you removed it. And now you are asking me raise the issue in Talk? What else was that i did earlier ?
I believe the criteria of
reliable sources and
points of view are not accounted in this topic.
Sitush, you have a blind spot, you think the old stuff is good, the people with whom you have a good rapo is good. Probably you are too old to accept anything new.
Anilkumar.p.76 21:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
To me you are totally illogical.
1. You removed my talks and asking me to do that again?
2. You yourself, is admitting that your activity was rude
3. Unless and until i get my answers, how can i be sure that my talk will not be removed again? If you can give me answers for the questions that i raised, only in that case i am to add my comments.
4. Not interested in playing any games.
Thanks,
Anilkumar.p.76 21:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, thank you for your edits on Paramahansa Yogananda...I learned a lot and will make improvements. Please help me understand how to communicate clearly about the colored picture of Yogananda. I thought I did it correctly. What am I missing.? The picture is copyrighted by his organization Self-Realization Fellowship but I thought it was ok to use because he is the subject of the Wikipedia page. I have not used this image anywhere else. I also gave complete credit to SRF under the picture. HELP? And again thank you...Red Rose 13 Red Rose 13 ( talk) 20:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Sitush & Magog for your open discussion and understanding. I have only been on Wikipedia for about 5 months and still have a lot to learn. My intention was to update the page with the best quality photograph. It looks as though I am going to need to take the colored picture down and replace it with the not so good resolution black & white is that correct? THank you, Red Rose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 04:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Is there anyway possible to be able to keep the colored one up? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Boing - very helpful - that one looks so much better... I will change it before the 5/17 deadline ok? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 19:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I have another question for you all...I am dealing with a person on a webpage that I edit that lately has continously adding/readding his personal view that is negative. I have had to start to undo his edits saying - "Wikipedia is for facts not opinions" correct right? If he keeps doing it I might need your help... any suggestions? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 19:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Sitush, I am also trying to update the page and add new facts to help the readers and now am cleaning up the revision area - it is still not clearly communicated but I am working on it. I also took the title down to just Revision because it was too long as you said in one of the titles in P Yogananda. Trying my best to keep it factual and not about someone's opinions as I think encyclopedias should be. I rarely use my own words but instead quotes from my sources. Thanks for you help. Cathyrose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 05:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 05:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Again Sitush - I uploaded the higher resolution B/w picture of Yogananda that is free but it is not changing when I add the new file of Paramahansa_Yogananda_Standard_Pose.jpg - is it because it is the same file name of the color one? Can you delete the color one from my uploads? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 - then does the file work at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 ? Thanks for your help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Sitush - I am not sure why you just wiped out the page Autobiography of a Yogi and the hundres of hours of work I have put into it to make it credible. Other people had put stuff and since it was still there, I thought it was ok. I would have much preferred if you made suggestions on how to improve it than just wipe it out almost completely!!! Do you realize how devastating that is? When one is trying to do their best??? Please explain!!!! Cathyrose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 22:10, Red Rose 13 ( talk) 22:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In reviewing Paramahansa Yogananda and the editing guidelines, I see what I need to do but it is going to take me a little while to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. How long do I have? I work as well and do editing in my spare time. Regarding Autobiography of a Yogi - I will work on finding reliable citations before adding more in. Using "my new eye" and looking at the other pages I am editing as well, I see the corrections that need to be made please allow me time. I don't feel experienced or comfortable enough to edit the Swami Kriyananda page and there are many references where the link is broken or not within the guidelines. Thank you. Cathyrose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 11:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
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The article Kalwar was just getting silly, up to and including computer 3D renderings of Solomon's Temple or some such thing. Absolutely baffling, so I dug up some very, very basic references and have a short article covering the traditional liquor-distilling caste of Northern India (not to be confused with the Tamil Kallar (caste)).
I've only done some brief digging, but prepare for a shocker: a rough glance at some 1980-2010 current literature by Indian academics appears to indicate that the Kalwar were a distilling caste who made some money, got into banking and other more prestigious trades, dropped their old habits like a rock, and set up orgs like the Kalwar Kshatriya Mashaba. It's almost as though there is some sort of pattern going on in the region... Historical revisionism is a grave, grave sin. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for correction. [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 18:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
Wrongful editing
Thanks [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 06:29, 24 March 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
As you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SalariaRajput, this guy is going around adding references to Sainis in dozens of places, essentially spamming those articles while providing no value at all. Even if Sainis were Rajputs, his edits would still make no sense at all. I understand you are not an admin, but you seem to be good at controlling such behavior. Is there something you can do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
In this classic photo of many well-known wikipedia editors, I understand [1] you're the tolerant-looking man leaning against the piano, who's about to sit down at it and play "As Time Goes By". May I ask why you're holding a human finger? I've inquired privately of RexxS (the demented motivational speaker trying to push Malleus Fatuorum off his chair), who first drew my attention to the pic, but he didn't seem to know. darwinbish BITE 15:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC).
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Article Dhakar is PRODed. I have no clue about the subject. But PROD reason of "Unreferenced, unable to establish notability" is possibly the reason to delete many articles of this group. Plus i have never seen that editor before on any of Indian articles. Maybe you have something to add to it. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 08:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Boing!, thanks for that. I'll try to add a source or two at Malav also. - Sitush ( talk) 09:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - I was being lazy. That is the right way to do it. Aymatth2 ( talk) 14:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sure! :) Just send me a test mail using "Email this user" option and I'll attach the file in my reply. Well, the influence of Velamas on the Justice Party was quite strong for sometime but not always. I personally feel that the party was more strongly dominated by the Kapus of the Telugu country and the Vellalars and Chettys from the Tamil country along with a significant proportion of Nairs from Malabar.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your sympathy. :) Whenaxis ( contribs) DR goes to Wikimania! 20:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
But are topic bans logged anywhere? The block log seems to be no more and no less than its name. JanetteDoe ( talk) 16:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
please try to view edits from a bunts perspective.its commonsense to have images of popular celebrities on page rather than some unseen scholar or billionaire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.151.208.146 ( talk) 14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello my friend. I could use a hand tracking down the copyvio source for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikshvaku_dynasty#Ikshvaku_dynasty_in_chronological_order_up_to_present
Chunks are finding their way into other articles via copy paste. It stinks of copyvio and I can't use waybackmachine, and I keep getting blocked from the verbatim google matches I see. Thanks for any help you can give. Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah ha. I see you've found it before. Well, enwp has chunks all over the place. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC
As discussed earlier, Pervez Dewan's book "Jammu Kashmir Ladakh" ISBN 81-7049-179-7 was used to sight the population census of India. However, you have reverted the same stating that Dewan is not a reliable source. Would like to understand why do you think so. Have explained earlier that he was the 'Divisional Commissioner of Kashmir' while writing this book - which in India means he 'signed off' on all population census figures. So in a manner speaking, he was an authority on the official records in the state. I see no reason to doubt that he would provide wrong population figures in his book about Kashmir. Can you explain your concern. ' Ambar ( talk) 05:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, sorry to bother you, but if I followed my guts, I'd send
this article straight to AFD... Would you be willing to please take a look at it when you have a moment, to see if it can be salvaged or if my approach is the best one? Thanks.
Salvio
Let's talk about it! 13:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Brahma_Kamal. Thanks. [[User talk:ayanosh|T]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/ayanosh|M]] ( talk) 18:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)ayanosh
You mentioned in your ES that the Diet section with mentions of pork and buffalo "seems okay" but didn't restore it. Was that a mistake, or are we re-examining those cites? I'd be less concerned were it not for the fact that pork/buffalo removal would fall into the "remove absolutely anything that could be seen as negative" editing tactic. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 00:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I feel ur last edit not in accordance WP:NPOV. Plz do not be unilaterally judgmental. Warning: Plz do not delete well ref content. Use proper tagging and talk pages to resolve. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaychandra ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I wonder why you do not want the page on Rewari improved. The entire page is in shambles and I find several deletions from you, never any improvements. You are doubting my latest reference on Hemu on Rewari page calling it dubious. Please send to me your e-mail Id and I'll send to you the photo copy of the reference I have cited. Also please do not delete this edit till the issue is sorted out, whether, the citation is true or dubious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.121.163 ( talk) 15:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush Ji,You have raised three objections on a minor point. Now it is for sure that Hemu was born somewhere, otherwise there was no need to talk about him. As per his community and decendents whose Trust is mentioned above, which you have called 'an advocacy group', Hemu, was born at Machheri village in Rajasthan. There are other citations also on this by various writers. What bewilders me, why any one would 'advocate' for a simple immaterial fact. However, if there is any other claim that Hemu was born in a particular city, I would like to be enlightened on this. I had put the fact of his birth at Maccheri on the page to remove an absurd comment which said (although he was born elsewhere). When I deleted the words written in brackets as they diluted the contents, my comments were removed by you; when I added his birth place Maccheri, you do not accept this also. Second issue is of proportion. Hemu, his Haveli in Rewari are important for Rewari page as Hemu was the only Hindu ruler, who won 22 battles across North India and who could rule from Delhi briefly out of the long span of 1192-1947. So this makes important for Rewari page to carry a few (3-4) sentences on Hemu. Third issue you have raised is of overegging the pudding? No way.Simple facts with no adjectives look impressive about him. There is no pampering. Also, you visit the page frequently. Do you find it in good shape ? Please suggest how to improve it. sk
Could you take a look at this article if you get the chance? I deleted an entire unreferenced section but the whole thing looks like cruft to me. I'm hopeless on caste issues! -- regentspark ( comment) 14:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I think your recent deletion of the content from Patna College is almost like vandalism. What you call as trivial without any justification is not proper at all. This also smacks of bias against this and similar other articles. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I do not think that the anniversary events are umpteen, they are only a few. The details may be edited and can be made more to the point and impressive. But to delete them completely without giving any chance to justify and by using words such as 'trivial' is highly improper. We should better not compare Peterhouse, Cambridge with Patna College. If we look at history we may find that there were no Peterhouse, Cambridge or University of Oxford some thousand years back. The excellent universities in the world did exist but they were in different parts of the world. At the same time when Patna College or other good colleges got started they tried to follow the examples of Peterhouse, Cambridge or University of Oxford because they had become excellent by that time. No one knows where will the excellence emerge in the coming few years.
By the way you are a great wikipedian, I understand. But You are not fair in this context at all. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 15:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
If you think that those details about the events are not necessary, then you may be right. However according to your own arguments they may be included in brief. So the issue is only about the way they should be presented. They should not be deleted, especially when everything has been supported with reliable references.
You are, thus, requested to revert them with due editing. This will improve the article further. I have no other intention in persisting with my point of view. If this improves the article, nothing like that. Let us not be personal about this. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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Any chance that Bob1781 ( talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet (of YK perhaps)? Could someone, maybe Qwyrxian, do an RFCU? I'm flat out of time. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
It could be Sarvajna. Might be worth checking, if you're able to. True it is one edit, but an edit to unfairly influence a vote, which is a no-no. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 07:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Sigh. Makes me want to propose a new policy: WP:TOLDYOUSO. JanetteDoe ( talk) 16:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Sitush! I have seen that you have edited the Notable Jadeja section of the page, erasing names of notable Jadejas on account of poor references cited. Could you please provide guidelines for sources that are permissible as the ones I have used were seen to me as being sufficient? I am unsure as to what is permissible when proving 'ethnicity'? Thank you in advance. Tamasic ( talk) 19:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
As far as those policies apply to caste-type assertions, there are a lot of experienced contributors to Wikipedia who consider caste claims to be just another form of ethnicity, and therefore self-identification is required if living, and really good sources even if they are dead. Merely bearing a name that is commonly used by a caste group is insufficient to meet the test because, well, there are always exceptions to the rule, often even in India itself. Also, I could quite easily and at a low cost (currently £37 UK) legally chance my last name to "Jadeja", for example, and so any statements that we make here based on last names are ultimately original research. Is this enough information for you to understand what is going on? - Sitush ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so very much for your kind time. Information noted. I understand that it is possible for one to change their name, therefore an assumption of notability based on surname alone is not reliable. So now, with context to the names of deceased Jadejas that I had included, what references would be permissible? K.S. Ranjitsinhji, K.S. Digvijaysinhji and Kumar Shree Duleepsinhji are most certainly not individuals that changed their name by deed poll. They were the Jam Sahebs of Nawangar and have been widely documented as being so. To not include K.S. Ranjitsinhji, an international cricketing luminary who's own Wiki page meets all requirements, would do disservice to the 'Notable Jadeja' section. Remedy- would it be possible to cite a reference that explicitly states that the title of Jam Saheb is only bestowed upon the Jadeja rulers? Thereafter to follow up citing a source where the individual in question is referred to by their title? I look forward to your kind feedback. Thank you. Tamasic 03:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
This talk page is watched by quite a few people and perhaps someone else will jump in with a different opinion. I do not always get things right ;) - Sitush ( talk) 08:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
"I do not always get things right" Now this is an understatement if there ever was one, I am absolutely seething with anger and extremely frustrated at complete ignorance shown by you regarding the article "Jadeja", may I please ask what right or what knowledge you have regarding the history and origins of jadeja ? I am sure zilch or zero. I had painstakingly gathered all the information related to the clan, myself being one, have done any research at all ? the refrences that were given by me were from the English representative that were stationed at bhuj during the time of Maharao Deshulji, and these books could be found in the gazzette of bombay and english presidency during the time British rule in india, I cannot belive that absolutely all the information has been deleted..
Khengar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.222.90 ( talk) 21:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Another mystery. Looks like someone has written a research paper on wikipedia (or is this a real term?) -- regentspark ( comment) 20:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
done. Needs some cleanup to confine it to its mythological definition. -- regentspark ( comment) 17:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow. This must be the longest thread on my talk page in which I have had no involvement! My apologies to all who are involved - I have spent the last few days 90 feet (27 m) up two trees, cutting them down. Well, they are now a little bit shorter, but there is still some way to go.
I am pretty thick when it comes to the ancient Indian texts etc. I know of the major ones - the Puranas etc - and know when they are definitely not suitable as sources per Wikipedia standards, but most of this goes over my head, sorry. Nonetheless, feel free to continue the discussion here and, yes, I am learning something from it.
An aside: thanks to MikeL and Boing for doing the necessary clean ups elsewhere on this page, in my absence. - Sitush ( talk) 00:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, you have reverted the definition of 'Pandit' from the Kashmiri Pandit Page. I put it there to explain the meaning of the word and its derivative / relavance in Indian society. However, you have also called it a CopyVio? -- Ambar ( talk) 11:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I have further added to the Kashmiri Pandit article and made some formatting improvements. Kindly take a look at it in my sansbox and leave your comments. -- Ambar ( talk) 06:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, Thank you for your invitation. I have commented on the issue Talk:Caste_system_in_Kerala#Relevance_of_a_recent_contribution. -- AshLey Msg 11:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by me deleting messages. My page was getting large and cumbersum so I deleted some of the earlier messages, which have been all been responded too. For the record, I have also responded to your messages, but rarely has to been extended to my messages.-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
You reverted my edits to Ezhava with an edit summary of "Sorry, but I am not convinced that most of these edits agree with the sources (or the lack thereof)." Well yeah, they might not agree with all the sources, but I swear all that I added, all that I added, came from those sources in stone. I know my description was awkward, which I plan to fix, and go ahead...revert me! SanctusofRajput ( talk) 20:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
You reverted my good faith edits claiming that spam comes from my sources? I don't understand. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School has a chequered history here on Wikipedia because there has in the past been the appearance of spamming and non-neutral editing. Since your edit mentioned PCCS in a somewhat peculiar context given the general nature of the article, I thought it best to remove it until someone decides to respond with the necessary information. - Sitush ( talk) 20:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. We're all M.S. in Ed online students and our task this week is to edit a wiki. While I see that the other students edits are not meeting the standards of wikipedia, mine had sourced material that was reporting criticism. I'm new to this and won't get back to you soon. I wish you had read my edit before deleting it, because it is not spam and was an attempt to add further information. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Franciscan University of Steubenville, Dr. Clint Born. What was the problem with my contribution then, if I may ask? Pcm130 ( talk) 20:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Regarding your edit, well, it certainly was sourced etc but the PCCS issue gave rise to doubts. I could reinstate it but right now I think it is more important to get some liaison going. Here at Wikipedia, people are expected to collaborate and if Dr Born is going to mark you or others down because you have been unable to edit then (a) we always rate highly the willingness of contributors who are prepared to discuss & you should let Dr Born know this (perhaps direct him here?) and (b) once some liaison is sorted out then perhaps we can lift the semi-protection and allow edits to resume.
I am very grateful, honestly, for your co-operation. - Sitush ( talk) 20:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Is PCCS, PA-cyber? I will email Dr. Born to let him know. I can't guarantee he will contact you. Thanks. Pcm130 ( talk) 20:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Why you revert the sourced addition. It will be treated as vandalism if you continue like this as the source is from reliable. The actor told he did not join this alliance behalf of communityl; He did not tell he was not behalf of from this community. -- Jenith ( talk) 12:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The article contains - as a main part - a chapter named "Karp's technique". Than follows "Criticism" - dealing with the problematic aspects of this techniques, not so much with the problematic person of Karp. So I think my contribution on just this technique is a useful aspect of the whole page. Otherwise this problematic "calming reflex" can be mentioned, while a rational critique cannot. Mr. bobby ( talk) 14:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey Sitush, can you have a look at the recent edits? My knowledge of geography isn't that great. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 14:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
You have removed the logo of Patna University by using some rule which must be convincing. But at the same time we must find the rule to include that logo in the article. Though I do not know who that that editor is I think he has made a good attempt and he should be guided to put the logo at the right place in a right manner. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
If you have deleted this in a rush and as you admit you are not an expert of images, then you are requested to help include the logo for the article. Someone had done that out of a sheer desire to improve the article. The spirit should be encouraged by all of us. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll drop a note on their talk page, asking whether they would be prepared to review. - Sitush ( talk) 00:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much, both Sitush and Magog the Ogre for the contribution to the article. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I tried adding Poikayil Appachan to the list of social reformers and activists. I found it removed by you, reason being "Cannot see any sourced verification of Paraiyar status in the linked article". In the wiki page for [Poikayil Appachan], I've mentioned the references: J. W. Gladstone (1984). Protestant Christianity and people's movements in Kerala: a study of Christian mass movements in relation to neo-Hindu socio-religious movements in Kerala, 1850-1936. Seminary Publications. Retrieved 14 April 2012. (Page 264). I couldnt understand how else I could do the same. Please clarify, I will try providing the same.
On the same note, many other leaders on the Paraiyar wiki is left with no reference. Am I allowed to remove them on good faith note ? ~Regards.
Sitush, Almithra is correct, the article Poikayil Appachan explicitly states his Paraiyar origin, with cite. Restoring to Paraiyar, and including the cite regarding his birth community. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 04:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Please see the edit warring being indulged in by User:BlueMario1016 regarding Devanagri scripts on the page above, even after I've explained the consensus reached on India notice board to him at my talk page here. I'd appreciate your intervention. Regards, Lovy Singhal ( talk) 02:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear User:Sitush, hi, and thanks, reg the reversion of my earlier edits on the above article! However, just for the record and to help me understand properly please (Im afraid Im still not v good enough with all the technical aspects) could you kindly elaborate the problems with these two articles, that were removed? I didn really understand from the Edit summary. Would be grateful, regs, Khani100 ( talk) 12:23, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Khani100
Your contribution added three names, one of whom is a living person. There were no citations to verify their ethnicity, nor were there any in the linked articles. - Sitush ( talk) 12:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Wrote a few "articles about books" recently about some of the old Raj publications; historiography is an interest of mine, and the debate about which old sources work when and don't on caste has been interesting. So I wrote a few short articles (and it was a tail-pain trying to find proper sources by slogging through dozens of gBooks hit where they cite the book but don't describe it). It vaguely seems they should have a cat, so I slapped together Category:Manuals and gazetteers of India.
Do you have any suggestions about tweaking, filling, etc. this cat, other top-priority Manuals/Gazetteers I should put up stubs for, or better ways to integrate this and them into the cat tree? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
I've completed the review at Talk:Herbert Hope Risley/GA1 and just waiting for your response before passing. Please check my edits for accuracy. [3] It's very interesting and I hope your write more about all this. It's a whole angle on India not really covered in the encyclopedia, as far as I know. In this way, wikipedia excels. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 18:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I was somewhat able to add categories and stubs towards Achita Pramote, so someone would be able to correct some of the errors on the page, as well as adding more info.
BlueMario1016 ( talk) 17:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I cannot speak or read any language other than English, or at least not with any degree of confidence (a bit of French and Spanish etc, but nothing great). If you cannot resolve the potential issues regarding notability then it could well be that someone nominates the article for deletion. That person will not be me because TV subjects are something else where I have not a lot of experience. I would imagine that there is a Thai Wikiproject and perhaps even a Thai Film Wikiproject - if you get stuck then an appeal for additional information on the talk page of such a project might be worthwhile. But, please, do not panic: my main reason for leaving you a message was to draw your attention to some of the basics, such as WP:MOSFLAG. - Sitush ( talk) 23:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush: Kindly give some more time to add reliable resources to Muzhukkadhan article. Just now I found few people who are in great position in this kootam. If it is not possible means we can merge the article with List of Kongu-Vellalar kootams — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.186.146 ( talk) 08:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes the NLC plant is in Harbor estate which comes under corporation limit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Thoothukudi South Ward no. 60, Harbor http://thoothukudicorp.tn.gov.in/features_streetdetails.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 11:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
clarified? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandiaeee ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Ravi My Tea Kadai 13:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, you really should get to work! Drmies ( talk) 04:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I've got no expertise in Keralan history, but Thiyyar appears to be an article fork of controversial additions that you've reverted from Ezhava. Would you mind taking a look, and either correcting errors or tagging for improvement as needed? Please also note that there are several other new redirects to this new article. Thanks, Scopecreep ( talk) 12:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
AndieM (Am I behaving?) 14:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Could you explain why you removed the source from the Hindu in Vidya Balan's article? Has there been any consensus or rule to say that a person has to "self-identify her ethnicity"? Secret of success 12:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I have found some reliable sources where you can find this content clearly mentioned :"A Muhamadan Jat Clan (Agricultural) found in Montgomery " , Source : Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province, 1911, Vol II, H. A. Rose, read Page number 356
I think now you should redirect the Janjua Jat page to it's original place. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.230.0 ( talk) 13:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
More he has used : Janjuha, A Muhamadan Jat Clan (Agricultural) found in Montgomery, and the same is used for Janjua a Rajput clan so what is the issue in it :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.153.232 ( talk) 18:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Because both the group are related to each other but they have few differences like don't marry in each other and stuff like this. I think this should be given extensive attention to resolve the matter. And if you do that would be your role in making things clear to the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.153.232 ( talk) 07:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Lets say i' am putting forward a link that says that Mr X is the current President of US; while we know who the current incumbent is;will you simply blindly accept the fact because the 'source' says soo?.Certainly NEVER.That would amount to a massive blunder and an act of knowingly causing denigration of the standard of wikepedia articles.Your recent edits on an article speaks volume of the misleading edits you are making while trying to revert actual facts that his contemporaries;biographers,the governments of his home state and country have time and again well documented in archives(Being Obvious Important part of his life). Let say; you made an edit "a Giant great ship sank in 1912 which left for NY from Southampton"(you know the name) and i am putting some sources that say "no such ship sank in 1912". And then, keep on reverting and re-reverting just because if this insane ignorance of facts. Your ability cannot be questioned but you need to keep up the facts presented to you, not mere 'good faith edits' but edits that invoke faith in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.80.102 ( talk) 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I had absolutely no idea what you were referring to until I checked your edit history, from which it seems likely that your complaint relates to Jayaprakash Narayan. I also note that after posting here you made some edits to that article and those edits have been reverted. I think that if I am correct in my assumption and if you want to pursue the matter then it would probably be best for you to take it to Talk:Jayaprakash Narayan, where you may get a wider audience than here. However, I stand by my actions and will do so should you venture a similar argument on that talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 22:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Your arguments are not up to mark and won't help anymore to assume good faith. Deemed-Universities are not Universities; llly, deemed to be outside doesn't mean outside. Hope you got the point. I have proposed some correction here: Talk:Caste_system_in_Kerala#New_Christians_untouchable_to_Syrians.3F -- AshLey Msg 08:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Look, I need to read through some of your sources - especially those that appear possibly to be written/published by Christian-oriented people because of potential bias etc - and this sideshow is a distraction. I've got one on order but hope that I can find the rest online somewhere. - Sitush ( talk) 13:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I have been trying to upload the photo of Prof. Raj Reddy on this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Reddy. The photo has been taken by a Chinese Professor when Prof. Reddy visited China. He has given us permissions to use his photo on the Wiki page. Whenever I try uploading the image and I mention that I have the rights to publish the photo, the photo gets removed. What am I doing wrong? Please advise how I can upload the photo in a manner that is acceptable.
Please let me know of a quick fix to this problem.
-Vishnu — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Vishnugsr (
talk •
contribs) 09:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
As far as the Commons one is concerned, you need to see the thread here, where it is clear that you have not in fact complied with policy. You added a notice saying that the Professor was emailing permission for us to use the file (the "OTRS" procedure) but nothing has been received over a period of several months and as such it is at present a violation of the Prof's copyright. I suggest that you comment in that thread, but you perhaps also should be aware that similar images are to be found on various websites and I am not 100% certain that the photo is in fact even the Prof's copyright: why would a photo taken by a Prof in China become the official photo used on the website of an Indian university, for example? It seems to me to be fairly unusual. - Sitush ( talk) 09:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
The photo of Prof. Reddy was taken by one of his friends who is a Professor in China. Prof. Reddy likes this photo of all of the photos of him. I had put up some other photos of Prof. Reddy on the wiki page but they were not of good quality. I had mentioned that I have permisson of the Chinese Prof to put up this photo. But how do I submit the email? I remember forwarding that email to permissions-en <permissions-en@wikimedia.org> as was prescribed on Wiki when I was uploading the photo. I thought that was enough. What else needs to be done? Please advise.
Vishnugsr ( talk) 04:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Vishnu
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Kurmi". Thank you. -- Jaychandra ( talk) 19:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the BLP prod tag you placed on Vice Admiral Iyer, which I have since moved to Nilakanta Krishnan, because nominating an article for BLP prod requires that there be no sources on the article at the time of nomination, regardless of whether or not they are reliable. You removed a source from the article 5 minutes before adding the BLP prod tag. While I agree that that source was unreliable, it did back claims made in the article, making the article ineligible for a BLP prod nomination.
Additionally, the subject is deceased, so BLP prod may likely have been moot anyways. When I place BLP prod tags, I err on the side of caution and assume the person is living if born within the last 115 years unless the article states that the person is deceased, regardless of what reliable or unreliable sources might say, so I can't expect you to have known that given the information provided in the article. — KuyaBriBri Talk 14:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I have done some editing on Nilakanta Krishnan. Would request help from the Military history task forces. Any idea how to go about this? Anant ( talk) 11:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
You had posted the following note, in my talk page. Since I am a novice, in matters concerning editing wiki entries, can I kindly have some clarification?
Making comments such as you have done in opening the thread here] is a very quick way to upset people. Please do not twist words to suit your own purpose. - Sitush (talk) 11:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
1) What is the technical problem? Is it that opening this thread (I am learning this word for the first time), will create different discussions in different forums? 2) If that is the reason for you to get upset, I can empathise with you! Sorry. But I dont think I have twisted any words to suit any purpose of mine?
And talking of "purpose". At the end of the day, can we remind ourselves that we are talking of an Indian war hero? Dead and not much known to the present generation? Does his memory deserve to be remembered in wikipedia? And how to go about this in the most effective manner? I had inserted a paragraph from the Australian Navy papers,(which references were provided I think by you) on why he was awarded the Distinguished service cross. And you have removed that? If it is a problem of writing style, well that can be remedied? But do have any problem with the content? I think it is an official publication of the Australian Navy? Anant ( talk) 12:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't care whether the article is about an alleged war hero or a cartoon character, the stuff about his DSC was undue weight and it is not even the thing for which, according to your own edits, he is best known. If someone wants to read the medal citation or a detailed account of the events leading up to the award etc then those are freely available to them in the cited source: we do not usually quote huge chunks in the manner that you did. - Sitush ( talk) 14:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Would you have any problem if N.M.Iyer, ICS, CIE is allowed to remain in the list of Iyers? I do not think the reason to remove this entry also, was a sound one? Anant ( talk) 04:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, he used Iyer as his surname? He was selected for the Indian Civil Services, and seems to have done well enough to earn a CIE? So the chances of frauding on his Iyer ethnicity is low? And there is information that his father was also Iyer? What are the usual ways to prove this, especially for people no longer alive?
I also kindly presume that we agree that being selected for the ICS and then getting a CIE is enough to be deemed "notable"?
Anant ( talk) 12:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, not sure if you were already tracking on this guy, but he's going to dozens of pages a day to add links to Thiyyar and remove any Ezhava mention, including rendering at least one page uncat by taking off the Category:Ezhava: Special:Contributions/14.139.160.4
Didn't want to mess with it myself in case you have a larger plan, but can we put this guy in for a mass rollback since he's offered zero explanation for any of this, and the very article in question in PROD'ed? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 18:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush, how are you? Don't you think we need to add some details (link possibly) in The cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and... which is the main ref of the article Saini? In Wikipedia we don't seem to have an article on the book, I have searched in Google, and search results informs the book is available in may sites, I feel we can link anyone to make it clear! -- Tito Dutta Message 00:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
, But, in the article you have mentioned about 1885 edition and book title of 1857. little bit confusing, I feel! -- Tito Dutta Message 01:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)The Encyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial, and Scientific, first published in 1857 with subsequent editions titled as the Cyclopaedia of India.
Hi I see that you have recently deleted several updates I have made. I will try to provide you with possible references, but there are some references to books that are available only in private collections in libvraries or even in snippets of google books for the lay surfer. I have updated most information only about these dignitaries who had already been created on wikipedia because I felt that the existing information was rather sketchy and incomplete. SInce I have personal information about Sir T Sadasiva iyer, R.V Srinivasa Aiyar and Sister Subbalakshmi , i have attempted to make the available information more thorough.Although mine was a work still in progress, I will attempt to provide authentic references. Some information is from Family chronicles as these dignitaries were all my ancestors Smuthusami ( talk) 02:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I will retract. We all want a scholarly discussion. But please everyone, no one personal comments. -- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 13:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush. Kindly respond to my question on
Talk:B._R._Ambedkar.
vishvAs Iyengar vAsuki (
talk) 16:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Done -
Sitush (
talk) 00:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
May I know where in WP:BLP is it mentioned that only court proven allegations can be included? In that case the title of the section will be convictions not controversies. There are not fill-in breaking news items, the controversy you removed is being extensively covered by national media. You must be knowing that. Keeping her article clean of "controversies" is not going to help to clean off her scandalous presidential stint.-- Anoopkn ( talk) 21:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I have no connection with India but neutrality is one of the pillars of Wikipedia. You cannot go around using adjectives etc such as these without extremely good support. That is WP:BLP for you, and it is a policy that has been determined by an extremely wide consensus. - Sitush ( talk) 22:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if you noticed, but FYI, SalariaRajput took out the part from the main summary where it said the Saini claims were disputed. It took a long time to get it there, but now it's gone again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 03:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help. Looking forward to your support in future. Sam.ldite ( talk) 15:54, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
now is it ok ? Shrikanthv ( talk) 14:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC) list of iyers
I'd seen this alluded to in some articles, and though this bit isn't cited it does seem credible and clear things up: Tamil_honorifics#-n.2C_-l.2C_-r
I'll try and find a cite for it at some point, but googling phonetics is always a pain. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Please respond [4] Ganesh J. Acharya ( talk) 16:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
[5]-- Shrike ( talk) 14:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Please do not add unreferenced or
poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about
living persons, as you did to
List of Jats. Thank you.
Sitush (
talk) 16:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The name I added to jat links in cinema is Dharmendra, and the article I used to reference it had a quote from his son Sunny Deol saying Dharmendra is "the best looking jat he knows." Those are words coming directly out of his son's mouth at a press interview where both father and son were present. If such a reference is not valid, then the reference of listing Dara Singh on the site as a jat is also not valid because the article that referenced for Dara Singh didn't have anyone saying he is a jat, it was just stated by the writer that he is a jat. Also for Dharmendra's claim, the article that is used to reference Malika Sherawat has her saying "we both jats" referring to her and Dharmendra in his presence. Also there are many other jat's listed on the list in other sections like sports like Virendra Sehwag and a many others that have no reference attached, yet you have them on the list, and yet eventhough I'm providing reference for Dharmendra you are refusing. Please check the reference I have given for Dharemendra, read the article and you will see what his son says, and his son's statment making Dharmendra a Jat then also makes Sunny Deol a Jat. Teamaps ( talk) 17:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)-- Teamaps ( talk) 17:13, 27
Please see the following article that his his son Sunny Deol saying Dharmendra is "the best looking jat" he knows from the The Hindustan Times http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/I-was-missing-the-camera-Dharmendra/Article1-635872.aspx
Why did you remove all of edits done in U._G._Krishnamurti#Philosophy? The sources cited are available on the internet to verify and there is little interpretation involved. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 19:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Regarding Narayan, if you want to challenge then you know where to do it. - Sitush ( talk) 20:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Left on the Talkpage. Please respond. On Kashmir issues, which are always controversial require that any article to be well balanced.
I have deleted this sentence as it is not referenced. The conversion to Islam by the Kashmiris was the result of a number of unique historically and sociological reasons, not as a result of simply corruption by the Dammara feudal class or their Lohara overlords.
It was as a consequence of their many disputes with the kings of the Lohara dynasty, during a prolonged period of corruption, internecine fighting and misrule, that the region eventually passed into control by Muslim rulers.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 10:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I suspect you are POV pedlar with an underlined ideology, which has no place in what should be a neutral encyclopedia. But refrain from character assassinations.
Once again Sitush has begun his character assassination. "creator of these articles spends a lot of time creating (usually rather poor quality) new articles based on gutting a single source and then usually abandons the effort". Please retract.-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
You prove that it is "once again" and I will prove that it is not a character assassination. You have created loads of low-quality stubs, despite your considerable experience here, and I recently had to spend quite a bit of time sorting some of them out. Your real issue here is, I think, that I have nominated some of your articles for deletion & one has already been deleted. Get over it, please. - Sitush ( talk) 14:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
How can we discuss anything if you keep deleting my edits without even verifying the sources? If you had a problem with either of the sources, the first one is a translation by Swami Madhavananda and the second one is an interpretation by Swami Krishnananda, you could have placed a 'failed verification' tag there. Both according to me are secondary sources and even if you feel that a translation is debatable as a secondary source, you should not have removed the content associated with second reference. I have given the links, page numbers, chapter numbers there. Please verify the links and then tell me why you find the content objectionable. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 12:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I know that some essays etc - eg: WP:BRD - have gained an almost pseudo-policy status but the draft proposal that you link to has not and the message that you note is an indication that its wording is far from settled. FWIW, it actually does not say much of relevance that I have not already pointed out to Correct Knowledge. I think that the problem here is the CK is an intelligent, knowledgeable, new-ish contributor who can't quite get to grips with the limitations that Wikipedia imposes. Well, it is either that or I have made a really, truly bad call with regard to WP:PRIMARY, WP:OR etc. I guess that sooner or later I am bound to make a really bad call, but I always comment etc in good faith. - Sitush ( talk) 20:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, If it is so, it is not vandalism but my mistake; you can revert my edit if you wish...However, Suryavamsa comes historically first. Rajkris ( talk) 23:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Shrike ( talk) 10:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Dear Sitush, thanks for your edits on Saint Thomas Christians. Edit warring on the page Saint Thomas Christians started when an editor began massive edit warring on the page in september 2011 when the page was called Syrian Malabar Nasrani. His edits shows a casteist agenda, promoting the brahmin myth of the syrian christians. He systematically removed all references to Jewish tradition of the Nasrani people and has been adding over hundred years old citations to support his casteist agenda. I am afraid I should say he got away with a lot of pov edit because he worked in tandem with another editor. You are right there is no standard term used for the said community on the page. The original term for the so called 'syrian christians' is Nasrani Mappila. Other appellation include Mar Thoma Nasrani and Malabar Nasrani. The article was renamed to the portuguese term 'Christians de sant Thome' ( Saint Thomas Christians) in december 2011. Obviously that creates a problem. The term for the community is Nasrani Mappila or Malabar Nasranis. By using the term Saint Thomas Christians one makes it mandatory that all the individuals hailing from the community is a religious christian. It need not be so. There are several atheist in the community who are definitely Nasrani Mappila but not Saint Thomas Christian. Robin klein ( talk) 17:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I am grateful for your understanding regarding the issue: I think that there may be scope for some sort of compromise but I really need to see those sources in full. - Sitush ( talk) 00:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I just got your message on my talk page. It appears that someone else has already blocked Jogytmathew for 24 hours. Perhaps that admin will be of help to you if the problem persists after the block expires? Let me know if you need further help. Nightscream ( talk) 03:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
You said earlier that a compromise rewording could accomodate even the Northist claim. Why dont you please suggest a rewording that would be consistent with the sources and quote. Since it is not that there is no suggestion of jewish connection. Just a line would be fair for all the groups involved. Please I think, a single line of rewording would be fair. There are other people who are reverting. I understand that you may think it is me and may feel like taking your anger on me. Please dont doubt me. I sincerely was waiting for you to suggest a fair rewording than an abrupt one sided end. You asked me to make a self revert and I did. I requested you for a fair rewording. I sincerely believe you have the skill to do so. Please reconsider a fair rewording. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 05:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Freedom Fighters of India by Lion MG Agrawal is one. I remember you were compiling a list, so add this one if you will. Perhaps it's time to start documenting a list at a subpage of WT:INB. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 11:31, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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For being diligent and fair while reviewing new content in Indian articles and for being prompt in your replies to warring editors. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 05:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC) |
Dear Sitush,
I am totally new to Wikipedia and have no idea how to insert citations... I'm trying to learn on the go, so please forgive my mistake in not inserting proper citations.
All my material is very verifiable! Most of the information is from Monica Felton's biography of R.S.Subbalakshmi's life, titled, "A Child Widow's Story", and also from Malathi Ramanathan's PhD thesis titled, Sister R.S.Subbalakshmi, Social Reformer and Educationist.
Sister R.S.Subbalakshmi is my great grand aunt and we, the family, are on a drive to bring her and all her work back into the public eye. I have some pictures that we have agreed can be shown and used through open source. I have yet to figure out how to insert them. Please help me here. How do I re-instate all that you have removed, and also add the citations, and pictures?
KaveriBharath (
talk) 15:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Monica Felton wrote two books. One on Rajaji, and the other on Sister Subbalakshmi. It is a far more reliable source than Madras Musings, where Mr.Muthaiah takes information that anyone sends him. My aunt Nithya and I have sent several clippings and pictures about Queen Mary's College, Sister Subbalakshmi, and the Ice House, (Vivekanadar Illam)to him, which he has published without any credit to the sources. My father and grandfather were present many times during Monica Felton's interviews of Sister Subbalakshmi, as they all lived in a joint family cluster of houses back then. Monica Felton's books are available on flipkart, if you want. Monica Felton herself died by 1970.
Malathi Ramanathan who wrote the other book which is derived from her thesis on Sister Subbalaksmi's life, lives in Bangalore. The other sources that Sunil has cited are the Sister Subbalakshmi Centenary Souvenir which the family and members of the Sarada Ladies Union published in 1986. That souvenir, if you will send me your email, I can scan page by page and send you if you want.
As far as copyright is concerned, all the photographs belonged to Sister Subbalakshmi's nephew, V.S.Shankar. Before he passed away, he handed them all over to my aunt, Nithya. She, (Nithya) and I have been putting together all of Sister Subbalakshmi's life history and publications and photographs and are presenting it over this entire year at various venues in Chennai, especially at the institutions that she headed / started / managed. We felt it would be good to have the information on the wikipedia too, as she was a very humble person who didn't push her name out to the forefront, and with the 50s and 60s anti-brahmin agitations, her name has slowly been pushed out of prominence.
I have no idea why you are so apprehensive about our sources and so suspicious about this article.
KaveriBharath ( talk) 07:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
KaveriBharath ( talk) 09:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Since SubQuad apparently missed the enormous notice that you have to notify editors who you bring to ANI, I'll handle it for you; I don't have time to move it from the top to the bottom just now, but I figured you should know. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 18:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I used that source, it was Joseph Massad. Just added the book to the bibliography, must have missed it before. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 15:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw your wild and crazy ramblings on Drmies' page. There is a an editor ( User:Titodutta) who uses Ubuntu, but can't get WINE to to recognize an .exe. He is attempting to run AWB. I'm a fedora/redhat user and I'm running an older version, so I'm not much help. Any chance you could help him out? Bgwhite ( talk) 07:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
G-d this is hard to navigate. To Sitush: what have you done my son?? You've pretty much zeroed in on the Baraki/Burki and removed their history etc etc all in the name of "puffery"!! Let's not even go there...that is indeed ironic given your research interests. Guess it is time to tell the truth and place it under a new title "The Burki tribe." As to making them "Punjabi" and also the Kaniguram ones "not Pushtun" I suggest you actually contact some and ask them about their marital habits of this xenophobic tribe. V/R BB Shalom/Salaam/Namaste — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baraki Barak ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I am trying to get hold of this book Die Ethnischen Gruppen Afghanistans : Fallstudien zu Gruppenidentität und Intergruppenbeziehungen which has some execellent work on both the Urmar and related Paracha people of Logar and the region south west of Kabul. Dupree also refers to both groups, who speak a related languages. The current
Paracha article needs some substantial reediting as well. I am disapointed to note you take a very jaundiced view on Rose, as latter works such Saghir Ahmad's ( a self-confessed Marxist) have used him as a source. We all accept that there was biase, but that still remains the case with every writer on Indian anthropology. The subalterns were biased as well. Stokes who I have used as a source on both the Pachhadas and Ranghar has been criticised, so has Bailey and Richard Fox, who wrote Clan Kin and Rajah on the Awadh Rajputs. In my view
Horace Arthur Rose with Pundit Harkishan Kaul are perhaps still the two best sources of Punjab ethnography, with the caveat that they were men of their time. --
WALTHAM2 (
talk) 11:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I want you justify your statements in the damara article.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 14:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I had to delete some text from the etymology section as it was previously removed for copyvio reasons (and then reinserted). I think you may have added to the section (I saw Stein included now), but as I can't be sure what's new vs what's from the original and derivative, could you add back what you added? cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 04:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for improving the encyclopaedia, both immediately, and by helping improve editors. I do greatly value the work you do. Fifelfoo ( talk) 10:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Kshatrajagatguru Benadikar Patil, V. K. Choudhry. — Spaceman Spiff 07:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Although I don’t entirely accept your point on Wikely, I am willing to provide Rose as an alternative source to Wikely. This will take sometime, and I am in fact taking a three month sabbatical from editing Wikepdia, hoping to restart sometime in mid August, when I intend to start with looking at each of the Punjabi Muslim tribal articles. I would rather work with other South Asia editors then against them, and this includes you.
I was also going to expand the article on Jot (ethnic group) of Afghanistan using the following sources:
Have you any comments on these sources.
Finally, there is a truly dreadful article Caste system among South Asian Muslims, which although referenced seems entirely POV. I have left it as is because it seems to be a hornet nests, have a look at the talkpage. Your views on this would be appreciated, as you have done some research on Risely. Especially I am concerned with ajlal arzal categories which are mentioned by Risely, and no one else. Ibbetson and Crook don’t mention them in there studies of North Indian and Punjab Muslims. My views on Risely difer from yours, but it is curious that there no more up to date information on these categories. When I get a chance, I will look at this document Dalits in the Muslim and Christian Communities (www.ncm.nic.in/pdf/report%20dalit%20%20reservation.pdf) which is authored by Satish Deshpande, who I understand has done some good work on the sociology of communalism, and see if there is anyy reference to arzal. The religious sanction bit also sounds dubious, and it relies on a single source Sikand. I am not dismissing Sikand, but Barani was a court historian and not an Islamic jurist. He might have expressed his views on caste, but this in no way means there was religious sanction. In my opinion this article should probably be renamed Social Stratification among South Asian Muslims, with the word caste replaced with caste-like, as caste as an institution is absent among Muslims and is universally condemened by Islamic stricpture. Your views would be appreciated.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 13:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Your immediate attention to the following-
File:Madhurendra Kumar Singh with supporters.jpg
The above file that has been excessively used,links forcefully added and provided at the different wikipedia pages & articles for deliberate promotion of a living person who lacks both notability and importance to be listed on Wikipedia from his home state in India.
The user with muliple IP addresses,either absolutely ignorant or either stubborn;in both the cases cannot be allowed to dictate terms .Sir, An article,specifically, it is about a person or group of people,whom have held constitutional offices of importance at state and national level are acceptable.It doesnot imply ever that their sons- daughters and kiths and kins would be accorded similar importance!(Unless they themselves are holding official positions of high order to be marked as important).The person being referred here has never been a MP(Member of Parliament) nor being a MLA (Member of Legislative Assembly) ever and never won an election at all in his life! Infact, time and again he has been rejected by the people of his own constituency where his supporters claim his 'hold of leadership'. This has been reported time and again and warned,Yet being consistently promoted which is extremely objectionable and a cowardly act.
ANOTHER LATEST IMAGE OF THE SAME PERSON(WHICH IS ILLOGICALLY PLACED ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS IMAGE,TWO IMAGES OF A SAME PERSON OF TOTAL NON-IMPORTANCE AT AN IRRELEVANT PLACE THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OFF)
File:Madhurendra Kr Singh In Madhuban.JPG
WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IMPLIES THAT THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES
Sheohar, Sitamarhi district, Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency), Sitamarhi Sitamarhi district
SHOULD CARRY THE ABOVE MENTIONED TWO IMAGE FILES(EVEN BOTH AT THE TIME AT MOST PLACES) JUST BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A KITH AND KIN OF A FORMER OFFICE BEARER(AND WORST)THE ANOTHER CURRENT IMAGE OF THE SAID PERSON IS UPLOADED HERE JUST TO PRESS FOR HIS OVER EXALTMENT TO IMPORTANCE AND ESTABLISH UNJUSTIFIED EMINENCE).
I HAVE REQUESTED FOR ITS SPEEDY DELETION BUT LACK OF PROPER DELETION NOMINATION HAS ENSURED THAT THE ADMINSTRATORS HAVE REVERTED THE PROPOSAL IN GOOD FAITH(AT FIRST PLACE THE FILE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE).SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OBVIOUSLY REQUESTED TO DELETE IT TOO BUT IT HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN THUS FACILITATING THE PROMOTION OF THE LESSER KNOWN INDIVIDUAL THROUGH HOAX AND FALSE FACTS AND CLAIMS.
SIR,AS EVIDENT FROM PAST RECORDS AND ONLINE RESPURCES(THAT INCLUDES PAST ELECTION RECORDS AND ARTICLES CARRYING INFO. ABOUT SAID INDIVIDUAL MENTIONED ON WIKIPEDIA PAGES).FOR INSTANCE, THE PERSON MADHURENDRA KUMAR SINGH MENTIONED HERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MP FROM SHEOHAR PARLIAMENTARY CONSTITUENCY YET WHILE THE IMAGES OF FORMER MPS, CURRENT MP from Sheohar IS NOT PROVIDED THERE;THE PICTURE OF A SELF PROCLAIMED LEADER HAS BEEN PUT UP HERE JUST TO FORCEFULLY CONVEY THAT HE IS VERY IMPORTANT .
THOUGH JUST HAVING FOUGHT ELECTIONS DOESNOT MEAN TO ACQUIRE THE IMPORTANCE TO BE INCLUDED AMONG PAGES THAT SHOULD IDEALLY CONTAIN DETAILS ABOUT CURRENT OR MAY BE FORMER OFFICE HOLDERS AND NOT ONE WHO 'ASPIRES' TO HOLD THE OFFICE!THE SAME IMAGE HAS ALSO BEEN INTRODUCED AT MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN PLACES;GENERALLY RELATED TO THE NATIVE PLACE OF THE PERSON WHERE HE IS TRYING TO PROMOTE HIMSELF.SOME REVERTED STILL, THEY WERE AGAIN PUSHED IN!! Being autocratic dosenot help Wikipedia. People's importance and notability lies open with their legislative experience and which is all but nothing here!! Their personal relation does not indicate how they are important or significant for state or country, and thus why they should be included in an encyclopedia. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AN HOAX IMAGE TAKEN IN PRIVATE CAPACITY MEANT TO UNNESSARILY PROMOTE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESNOT FITS TO BE MENTIONED AT SUCH IR-RELEVANT PLACES.ELSE,HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF SUCH 'SELF PROCLAIMED' LOCAL PERSONS CLAIMING TO BE IMPORTANT WILL HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO HOST THEIR IMAGES ANYWHERE AND AT THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTEREST . KINDLY CHECK THE FACTS AND DO THE NEEDFUL.
KINDLY FIX THE ISSUE AT THE EARLIEST! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.15.133 ( talk) 21:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Sir, Certainly, the entire promotional content was a hoax and blatant misuse of the voluntary contribution prerogative in Wikipedia to misguide and provide incorrect information and stimulate false exaltation of something without worthy importance or relevance at all.It would be difficult to find verifiable authentic citations for the hypothetical Overexaggeration!! They are non-existent contents meant for stupid political aggrandizement.I recently observed some edits by an IP address on the page
Gopalganj district, India and could not stop admiring the sheer nonsense notion presented to get the dreadful edit look meaningful.I am afraid, that is just the beginning of opening up of the full can of worms as such contents would be now arbitralily linked and added at numerous locations by multiple addresses and IDS.Such queer notions would be difficult to locate and analyze and sort out. I am well aware that it would be heartening that if the contents are strictly in accordance with the guidelines(Which is extremely unlikely!).There is a reasonable chance that,there would be massive follow up to cover the things or an endeavour to escape through the skin of the teeth.However, I would request the concerned administrators to kindly take cognizance of the important issue.Secondly, in a country like India, most of the archival sources,articles,biographical sketchs of persons of eminence and historical importance and documents are still in vernacular form and could be accessed through concerned websites and even Google Books Archives.I Would provide the links as much as possible for the actual content that is both realistic and verifiable, however everyone is quite helpless against total sheer fictional contents and hypothetical interpetation and excessive aggrandizement provided time to time.This is something to be both widely discussed at relevant forums and minutely looked after by concerned people.I would furthur request you to kindly take a vigil of the contents, that are all abominable.Because, there is a practical certainity that most of the things you have recognised as unworthy and not at all befitting an encyclopedia would be put back in some way or the other and such awful edits and many such non-sense additions may continue. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
180.215.109.171 (
talk) 19:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, Sitush. I'm gonna have RSI before this is over. Drmies ( talk) 04:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Observed Blatant Revertion
Sir, I have observed the valid points being suitably discussed above.While going through it,There has been deliberate vandalism and entirely biased promotional content of insignificant relevance added at the page Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.221.23 ( talk) 09:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Now you have reintroduced those brackets. Shall you pls share some more info on the purpose of it? -- AshLey Msg 15:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Sitush ( talk) 15:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)If not used verbatim, any alterations must be clearly marked, i.e. [square brackets] for added or replacement text, an ellipsis (...) for removed text (see WP:ELLIPSIS for details), and emphasis noted after the quotation as "[emphasis added]" or "[emphasis in the original]".
Catching up with all the things people have asked me on my Talk page and I haven't had the time for...
Almost got down to May comments now :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you have edited several Indian last names (caste) pages. Can you please take a look at Dhillon as well? It appears to be in an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.4 ( talk) 22:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sir, the page Sheohar (Lok Sabha constituency) requires your immediate attention as substancial amount of unsourced content appearing to be entirely bonafide case of presenting heavily biased content is being done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.213.202 ( talk) 07:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Mr. ass Tush, I saw on Drmies talk page you were thankful for the Wire and Homeland. I just wanted to say thank you for your British TV. Season 2 of Sherlock just started. Love Dr. Who and Coupling... All three by
Steven Moffat and he is a genius. IT Crowd has to be the funniest show ever. Downton Abbey, Torchwood, 1900 House series, Being Human, Mr. Bean, Wallace and Gromit and Brittas Empire. However, you have given us the abomination of Big Brother, Skins and anything Simon Cowell has touched. If you haven't seen, Mad Men, Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones, I'd suggest them.
Bgwhite (
talk) 03:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Please put further criticism of the article at Talk:Banyan_merchants. Ask editors you know to be knowledgeable of Indian Ocean trade to pitch in. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 07:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Wiktionary definition of
banyan. It is a Portuguese mispronunciation of Vaishya. It strikes me that you are deleting stuff just because you don't like the looks of it, without bothering to read it. Suggest you take time to read Wiktionary definition of
prejudice. Meanwhile, the banyan merchants of East Africa and Arabia are all yours. It is entirely up to you whether or not to inform readers of Vaishya that the English, due to the Portuguese having got there first, similarly mispronounced it during East India Company rule. I suppose it is too much to ask to point out that banyan merchants of India is a simple mispronunciation, and that they should not be confused with the similarly mispronounced banyan merchants from Gujarati, trading in their own peculiar way on the Arabian peninsula and in East Africa. --
Pawyilee (
talk) 08:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Don't take life so serious, son. It ain't nohow permanent. -- Porkypine, by Walt Kelly
-- Pawyilee ( talk) 12:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I have not added just a community in Kerala under Nair subsection and I know that doing the same will make the page more cumbursome. This particular caste if a section of Nair Community and is restricted to Palakkad district only. I found the details in http://www.nairs.in/classifications.htm about the same and then thought of adding it in the page.
Still if you are not convinced, let it be like the way it is.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snlkumark ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
the proof I can show for this is already casted in Manndiyar under etymology, page 455 of the caste and tribes of Souther India by Edgar Thurston. I have gven the inline citation there as well. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
219.91.246.122 (
talk) 10:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I thk=ink cannot be accepted according to wiki standard. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Snlkumark (
talk •
contribs) 10:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Can you delete the one written as Mannadiar. Because both Mannadiar and Mannadiyar are same. In Mannadiar only few dialouges from a certain malayalam film is written which I think cannot be accepted according to wiki standard
I am compiling information from various books and are collecting information on the same. The process is in pipeline and will incorporate all the details with references under title 'Mannadiyar'. I dont think wiki should promote such articles which back supported by a regional language movie. The caste has rich culture and hereditery, whcich I think should be highly respected.
Will updated all the details and information in Mannadiyar soon with references. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.246.122 ( talk) 11:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
What we would usually do is make a proposal that the content of the two articles are merged, and we would merge in the direction of the article that has the more commonly used name (see WP:COMMONNAME). The merge proposal would itself need discussion and, to be honest, it is often a but of a pain to set up the correct notices etc. Can you give me a few days to look into the entire situation regarding spellings etc? I am away this weekend but after that I will either propose a merge, propose a deletion or explain to you why there is no chance of this happening (in my opinion!) Obviuously, you can keep on doing whatever it is that you are doing at Mannadiyar and you can also propose a deletion or merge yourself. Make yourself a large pot of tea and read WP:PROD, WP:AFD and WP:MERGE if you want to make a proposal. - Sitush ( talk) 11:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, User:Profvk recently added a link here that looked suspiciously like link spam. Looking at his contributions, it is clear that this user has been systematically spamming other articles of wikipedia as well, with links to his work. Can you do something about it? Thanks. CorrectKnowledge ( talk) 12:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Saint Thomas Christians". Thank you. -- Robin klein ( talk) 20:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
There are thousands of Wikipedia pages with scripts other than English. Therefore, I was surprised about removal of the same on the Raniganj Coalfield page citing a recent RfC. Kindly enlighten me about this RfC, since it is not linked to the decision/ guideline. Cheers, - Chandan Guha ( talk) 02:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, no-one is going around just removing all of the extant scripts. Certainly, I just do it as I find them and in the case of the coalfield article that was because I arrived at it via doing some more detailed work at Asansol. - Sitush ( talk) 07:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. A discussion about a controversial piece of material with regard to WP:BLP is taking place here. Please spare a few moments to comment. Thank you. Secret of success ( talk) 16:22, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't say that it's 100% sure, but I believe there's 99% possibility that User:BozokluAdam is sockpuppet of Tirgil34. The same country (GER), the same ol' pan-Turkic POV-pushing in all articles related from Europe to India or China. -- 109.165.190.219 ( talk) 12:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
When you see a fact that you have known from childhood, is mis-represented in wikipedia, i thought, it is right to do the discussion. But a lot of questions are still unanswered.
3 Questions 1. Why are the following references of not available in the topic?
http://www.nias.res.in/docs/B4-2010-%20Mullaperiyar.pdf (also from IISC)
http://en.mapatlas.org/India/Mountain/Sivagiri_Malai/7177/road_and_satellite_map
(No other documents show the origin of the river, the Sivagiri Peak and the boundary)
2. Why is that text used in the topic is copying the words and not the complete stuff?
Why it is spreading half truth?
3. Discussion of the topic seems to more towards where the Sivagiri peak is situated.
The point I was raising was the logical reason why this mistake was made. I don't see any reference to the argument that i was putting forward in the entire talk.
The point that i did not discuss, is about the 114 sq km of catchment area, this area is not near the Sivagiri hills, but the near the Indira Gandhi National Park.
Sorry, it may be seen as rude, but the fact that people who does not know anything about the topic is taking decision based count of references and not the quality. For better judgment of facts in this issue, the following items should be considered 1. Nature of the writing and the author, whether he is an involved party (eg. Politician) 2. Understanding of the terrain, give importance to the references that deals with the origin, people who visited the area/understand the nature of the boundary between Tamil Nadu and Kerala. 3. Analyze the facts
Yes, you said, it. You are "Fairly sure". It clarifies my doubts that whether you did read the topic or not.
Do you have answers to any of the 3 questions that I asked?
I did not edit the topic, but put my arguments in the Talk, but you removed it. And now you are asking me raise the issue in Talk? What else was that i did earlier ?
I believe the criteria of
reliable sources and
points of view are not accounted in this topic.
Sitush, you have a blind spot, you think the old stuff is good, the people with whom you have a good rapo is good. Probably you are too old to accept anything new.
Anilkumar.p.76 21:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
To me you are totally illogical.
1. You removed my talks and asking me to do that again?
2. You yourself, is admitting that your activity was rude
3. Unless and until i get my answers, how can i be sure that my talk will not be removed again? If you can give me answers for the questions that i raised, only in that case i am to add my comments.
4. Not interested in playing any games.
Thanks,
Anilkumar.p.76 21:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, thank you for your edits on Paramahansa Yogananda...I learned a lot and will make improvements. Please help me understand how to communicate clearly about the colored picture of Yogananda. I thought I did it correctly. What am I missing.? The picture is copyrighted by his organization Self-Realization Fellowship but I thought it was ok to use because he is the subject of the Wikipedia page. I have not used this image anywhere else. I also gave complete credit to SRF under the picture. HELP? And again thank you...Red Rose 13 Red Rose 13 ( talk) 20:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Sitush & Magog for your open discussion and understanding. I have only been on Wikipedia for about 5 months and still have a lot to learn. My intention was to update the page with the best quality photograph. It looks as though I am going to need to take the colored picture down and replace it with the not so good resolution black & white is that correct? THank you, Red Rose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 04:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Is there anyway possible to be able to keep the colored one up? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Boing - very helpful - that one looks so much better... I will change it before the 5/17 deadline ok? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 19:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I have another question for you all...I am dealing with a person on a webpage that I edit that lately has continously adding/readding his personal view that is negative. I have had to start to undo his edits saying - "Wikipedia is for facts not opinions" correct right? If he keeps doing it I might need your help... any suggestions? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 19:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Sitush, I am also trying to update the page and add new facts to help the readers and now am cleaning up the revision area - it is still not clearly communicated but I am working on it. I also took the title down to just Revision because it was too long as you said in one of the titles in P Yogananda. Trying my best to keep it factual and not about someone's opinions as I think encyclopedias should be. I rarely use my own words but instead quotes from my sources. Thanks for you help. Cathyrose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 05:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 05:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Again Sitush - I uploaded the higher resolution B/w picture of Yogananda that is free but it is not changing when I add the new file of Paramahansa_Yogananda_Standard_Pose.jpg - is it because it is the same file name of the color one? Can you delete the color one from my uploads? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 - then does the file work at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Red_Rose_13 ? Thanks for your help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Sitush - I am not sure why you just wiped out the page Autobiography of a Yogi and the hundres of hours of work I have put into it to make it credible. Other people had put stuff and since it was still there, I thought it was ok. I would have much preferred if you made suggestions on how to improve it than just wipe it out almost completely!!! Do you realize how devastating that is? When one is trying to do their best??? Please explain!!!! Cathyrose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Rose 13 ( talk • contribs) 22:10, Red Rose 13 ( talk) 22:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In reviewing Paramahansa Yogananda and the editing guidelines, I see what I need to do but it is going to take me a little while to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. How long do I have? I work as well and do editing in my spare time. Regarding Autobiography of a Yogi - I will work on finding reliable citations before adding more in. Using "my new eye" and looking at the other pages I am editing as well, I see the corrections that need to be made please allow me time. I don't feel experienced or comfortable enough to edit the Swami Kriyananda page and there are many references where the link is broken or not within the guidelines. Thank you. Cathyrose Red Rose 13 ( talk) 11:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)