I think that hope is now here. :) -- Defender 911 23:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think so too. Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 19:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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I apologize before hand if this offends you.
You think you life is hard? Your life is nothing compared to what follows.
Our savior, Jesus Christ suffered many things. Let's create the equation.
His suffering through his life on earth + atonement
atonement=1 * average amount of sins that everyone makes in their life time * the amount of people that have lived on this earth, are living on this earth, and will live on this earth * the amount of worlds he (and/or God) have created.
I sure hope this puts your life in a better light.
Respond underneath here.
You got me confused when you mentioned God making multiple worlds. Where in the Bible does it say that God made other worlds. (I'm assuming by what you said about Christ that you're Christian...) -- 69.234.231.52 ( talk) 02:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Two points. First, Hebrews Chapter 1, verses 1-2:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Recognizing the limitations of prooftexting from the Bible, the multiple worlds [also] spoken of in Moses 1:35 requires a belief in the revealed theology in Latter-day scripture. Either you have it or you don't.
Which brings me to my second point: The racism claim may seem unrelated to the multiple-world discussion, but of course it is not. I refute that "Mormonism provides greater 'wing room' for racism," but first recognize that this misses the crux: either you accept the revelation or you don't. Let's not argue over peripheries until that is clear.
The universal message of the Atonement of Christ is that each of us are imperfect and in need of salvation. If there are mistakes in Mormonism's past, then they are the mistakes of imperfect humans and are to be expected. As stated on the title page of the Book of Mormon regarding its contents, "if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ." Cheers, -- Rojerts ( talk) 17:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
[1] has some great articles on this topic (racism and Mormonism). - Tea and crumpets ( t c) 23:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that hope is now here. :) -- Defender 911 23:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think so too. Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 19:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
original Page
I apologize before hand if this offends you.
You think you life is hard? Your life is nothing compared to what follows.
Our savior, Jesus Christ suffered many things. Let's create the equation.
His suffering through his life on earth + atonement
atonement=1 * average amount of sins that everyone makes in their life time * the amount of people that have lived on this earth, are living on this earth, and will live on this earth * the amount of worlds he (and/or God) have created.
I sure hope this puts your life in a better light.
Respond underneath here.
You got me confused when you mentioned God making multiple worlds. Where in the Bible does it say that God made other worlds. (I'm assuming by what you said about Christ that you're Christian...) -- 69.234.231.52 ( talk) 02:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Two points. First, Hebrews Chapter 1, verses 1-2:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Recognizing the limitations of prooftexting from the Bible, the multiple worlds [also] spoken of in Moses 1:35 requires a belief in the revealed theology in Latter-day scripture. Either you have it or you don't.
Which brings me to my second point: The racism claim may seem unrelated to the multiple-world discussion, but of course it is not. I refute that "Mormonism provides greater 'wing room' for racism," but first recognize that this misses the crux: either you accept the revelation or you don't. Let's not argue over peripheries until that is clear.
The universal message of the Atonement of Christ is that each of us are imperfect and in need of salvation. If there are mistakes in Mormonism's past, then they are the mistakes of imperfect humans and are to be expected. As stated on the title page of the Book of Mormon regarding its contents, "if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ." Cheers, -- Rojerts ( talk) 17:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
[1] has some great articles on this topic (racism and Mormonism). - Tea and crumpets ( t c) 23:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)