This is a test. Sanetti ( talk) 14:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Sanetti; I just wanted to draw your attention to this discussion. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, Cynthia ... I'm sorry for the delay. Here is a brief overview of my concerns; I'll try to catch up with more later. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for getting your students to improve WP pages by adding material on evolutionary medicine. If some of those students need pointers on following protocol, I'm willing to help. Evolutionary approaches to human behavior can be controversial, especially if they touch on sex differences, so any material like that needs to conform to an especially high level of reliability. The Autism pages have been thin when it comes to evolutionary approaches and sex differences, so I hope your student Stephanie doesn't give up. We could use some expert opinion. Thanks again. Leadwind ( talk) 16:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Sanetti. Please see Wikipedia:Training/For educators/Kinds of articles to avoid. I would advise not tackling Coeliac disease as part of a student assignment. It is already a featured article, and as such has been reviewed for being comprehensive, reliably sourced, readable and of a professional standard. It is one of several articles monitored by members of the medical wikiproject to ensure it stays accurate and up-to-date. Therefore there is a high change your students might find little that can be added without affecting the balance of the article and, as beginners, are quite likely to cause disruption to an article that is viewed 5,000 times a day and is a top Google hit for this condition. I suggest you find a different topic or at the very least, discuss any proposed changes on the talk page. Regards, Colin° Talk 17:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm also here for now to point out that you have added course tags incorrectly to article talk pages ... would you mind moving them to the top section of the top pages, where they will not be archived and will be seen by subsequent editors?
Also, I'm wondering if you have engaged an ambassador to help explain the concept of
undue text in student essays, as they relate to MEDRS, and particularly as they relate to the
high-quality sourcing requirement for featured articles? If no, I will try to point out (using as an example) the problems with the proposed text at
User:Sanetti/sandbox
User:Sarmocid/sandbox (sorry to use the first encountered as an example, but explaining the problems there may be one way to head off potential issues before other students make the same mistakes).
I have also noticed the unfortunate (but not atypical to Wikipedia) factor that one editor who is persisting in trying to add WP:UNDUE, non-MEDRS-compliant text to multiple articles (without providing sources that are compliant with our policies for the proposed text), and exhibiting an inability to hear what other editors are explaining is encouraging your students to do same! In that sense, it will be helpful if you have an ambassador, as it is unfortunate that the students might not know how to sort out commentary from editors who know policy versus those who do not. Best, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello Sanetti. My name is Lane and I support the Wikipedia education program and participate in development of health articles on Wikipedia. Some users have expressed some concerns about your class's contributions and I thought that I would offer to schedule a phone or video chat with you, if you liked. If you wish do to this, contact me through Special:EmailUser/Bluerasberry. I am most free EST mornings but other times are possible. If we talked, here are some options for an agenda:
I appreciate your interest. Often the education program goes along without much trouble, but for medicine, standards and expectations are often raised. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello User:Sanetti! I noticed the recent discussion at Wikipedia:ENI and wanted to suggest an alternative for your future classes. You might consider having students create content at Wikiversity instead. A learning project can be created there. Content inside a learning project is generally left for the class and instructor to edit and manage, particularly if you indicate that it is for a real-world class in the article instructions. Let me know if you have any questions. You can reach me at Wikiversity:User_talk:Dave Braunschweig. -- Dave Braunschweig ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
This is a test. Sanetti ( talk) 14:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Sanetti; I just wanted to draw your attention to this discussion. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, Cynthia ... I'm sorry for the delay. Here is a brief overview of my concerns; I'll try to catch up with more later. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for getting your students to improve WP pages by adding material on evolutionary medicine. If some of those students need pointers on following protocol, I'm willing to help. Evolutionary approaches to human behavior can be controversial, especially if they touch on sex differences, so any material like that needs to conform to an especially high level of reliability. The Autism pages have been thin when it comes to evolutionary approaches and sex differences, so I hope your student Stephanie doesn't give up. We could use some expert opinion. Thanks again. Leadwind ( talk) 16:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Sanetti. Please see Wikipedia:Training/For educators/Kinds of articles to avoid. I would advise not tackling Coeliac disease as part of a student assignment. It is already a featured article, and as such has been reviewed for being comprehensive, reliably sourced, readable and of a professional standard. It is one of several articles monitored by members of the medical wikiproject to ensure it stays accurate and up-to-date. Therefore there is a high change your students might find little that can be added without affecting the balance of the article and, as beginners, are quite likely to cause disruption to an article that is viewed 5,000 times a day and is a top Google hit for this condition. I suggest you find a different topic or at the very least, discuss any proposed changes on the talk page. Regards, Colin° Talk 17:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm also here for now to point out that you have added course tags incorrectly to article talk pages ... would you mind moving them to the top section of the top pages, where they will not be archived and will be seen by subsequent editors?
Also, I'm wondering if you have engaged an ambassador to help explain the concept of
undue text in student essays, as they relate to MEDRS, and particularly as they relate to the
high-quality sourcing requirement for featured articles? If no, I will try to point out (using as an example) the problems with the proposed text at
User:Sanetti/sandbox
User:Sarmocid/sandbox (sorry to use the first encountered as an example, but explaining the problems there may be one way to head off potential issues before other students make the same mistakes).
I have also noticed the unfortunate (but not atypical to Wikipedia) factor that one editor who is persisting in trying to add WP:UNDUE, non-MEDRS-compliant text to multiple articles (without providing sources that are compliant with our policies for the proposed text), and exhibiting an inability to hear what other editors are explaining is encouraging your students to do same! In that sense, it will be helpful if you have an ambassador, as it is unfortunate that the students might not know how to sort out commentary from editors who know policy versus those who do not. Best, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello Sanetti. My name is Lane and I support the Wikipedia education program and participate in development of health articles on Wikipedia. Some users have expressed some concerns about your class's contributions and I thought that I would offer to schedule a phone or video chat with you, if you liked. If you wish do to this, contact me through Special:EmailUser/Bluerasberry. I am most free EST mornings but other times are possible. If we talked, here are some options for an agenda:
I appreciate your interest. Often the education program goes along without much trouble, but for medicine, standards and expectations are often raised. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello User:Sanetti! I noticed the recent discussion at Wikipedia:ENI and wanted to suggest an alternative for your future classes. You might consider having students create content at Wikiversity instead. A learning project can be created there. Content inside a learning project is generally left for the class and instructor to edit and manage, particularly if you indicate that it is for a real-world class in the article instructions. Let me know if you have any questions. You can reach me at Wikiversity:User_talk:Dave Braunschweig. -- Dave Braunschweig ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)