Thank you very much to WomensArtistsUpdates for posting and editing the Hyman J. Warsager entry. I am a beginner at editing on Wikipedia, and I apologize for not documenting the change of place of death from NY to England. The Smithsonian location is actually incorrect. Warsager and his wife had moved to England in 1973 and he died there on November 27, 1974 in Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire. I attended the funeral there.I will try to find documentation of that in the boxes of his papers that I have in my possession. I do apologize for getting ahead of myself and changing that without supplying documentation. That will not happen again. He was my father and I was hoping to add some further details from my documents in the future to his entry, and I hope that is permissible under Wikipedia rules, which I will re-read as well as the editing guidelines. Thank you again, and apologies for getting ahead of myself. Rwarsager ( talk) 15:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please help me with... I am seeking an experienced editor to whom I can ask some questions about what content and sources I can or cannot add, and edits I'm permitted to make to the entry about my father, "Hyman J. Warsager". There are several books on art history which mention him and I would like to add a few paragraphs of content from these with appropriate citation. Thank you very much. Rwarsager ( talk) 18:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager! The thread you created at the
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Conflict of Interest Disclosure: I have added several paragraphs to the article on artist "Hyman J. Warsager" (1909-1974). Mr. Warsager was my father, so in accordance with Wikipedia rules and guidelines I have endeavored to write in a neutral voice, citing relevant books and in one case a journal article, and using direct quotations in each case, to document the added statements. I have also specifically included other artists whenever relevant. I welcome any guidance from experienced Wikipedia editors. Thank you. Rwarsager ( talk) 01:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, Looking at your most recent edits, I'd like to gently remind you that you cannot present original research into Wikipedia articles. If you are researching works and receiving emails from the Norton Simon Museum, you are performing original research. It looks to me like you are being scrupulous in maintaining neutral point of view and avoiding COI, but if you start presenting e-mails as citations you are going to wander into original research. One other gentle reminder, copyright laws apply to works of art regardless of who owns them,so for example, if a professional photographer took a photo of your father, that image is copyrighted by the photographer until 70 years after the photographer's death. If it is unknown when the photographer died, I believe the image is assumed to be copyrighted until 120 years after the subject's death. You might want to read up on Fair use WP:FUR, which explains how copyrighted works can be used.
I was able to upload your father's WPA work, because they were created for the US Government and therefore are free to use. His non-WPA work is still under copyright regardless of who physically owns it. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, I went in and requested a "speedy delete" of the image on the commons, and also reduced the size of the image on English Wikipedia to comply with the "fair use" rule. You'll probably get a couple of pings about it, but I am pretty sure all is well, I just finished the final steps is getting it right.
If I may add a personal note, I was the person who did all three things mentioned above. I reverted your edits to National Serigraph Society back in June. I wrote that article and monitor edits on that page. I was unaware of the 1944 show in Dallas, so I used that citation to add to the list of artists associated with the Society. I then wrote article on all the notable artists from that batch, Hyman J. Warsager being one of them. I am the same grumpy person who requested citation of place of death and shook a finger at you for the Norton Simon e-mail :)
I created the article on the National Serigraph Society because it was a rich source of names of women artists. I think my favorite one is/was Gladys M. Lux. As you can read in her biography, her WPA commission was revoked so that "an artist with greater need" (a man) could get the money. Interesting too, she was a collector as well as producer of affordable prints.
It would be great to find some secondary source material on the 1940 MoMA show " Color Prints Under $10". It looks like Warsager was included in that show and I'll update the article to reflect that.
Again, if you get a bunch of alarming notices from Wiki commons and Wikipedia, don't be alarmed. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 19:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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Well I continue my preliminary research. I am finding that the term "American Print Renaissance" most likely refers to the period of 1960 through 1990 when major American artists started working with print shops to create art prints. The artists worked with the master printers in a collaborative way to create the editions. (BTW Warhol's name comes up frequently, so my theory of him being an outlier is misguided.) Very interesting topic, but not our guys. I am interested in the phases that led up to the Renaissance. That time when printmaking parted ways with illustration and reproduction (replaced by photography) and became its own means of expression in America. I am taking a breath and figuring out my next steps. Hope all is well with you. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:21, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, Well I have hit a wall (for now). I am struggling to figure out how to "timeline" the print bandwagon of the 1980 (editions of 5,000) and the cratering of the print market in 1990s. I think once those items/events are somehow incorporated into the timeline we can move our article to main space and we can continue editing from there. Any ideas or sources?
Meanwhile, My inter library loan books are due at the library and I want to take a break from the topic to create a list of Book Artists (like Julie Chen) for the March Art + Feminism editathon. Lots of thoughts running around, but I am gonna work on this other project for a bit. Just a heads up and a thank you for all the work you are doing. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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Rwarsager, I have moved the page into the main space. I look forward to continued collaboration on this page and topic! WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 15:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, I recall you and I had a brief exchange about artist colonies. Just a note to let you know that the Smithsonian Associates are presenting a lecture on Byrdcliffe: An American Arts and Crafts Colony. It is an online event. I haven't heard this particular teacher before, but SA usually does a good job. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the links you left me over on the Print timeline. The Axios article brings a perspective we don't see here in the talk pages. A business magazine trying to explain the importance of being on Wikipedia, but trying to lay out the rules of the road. I particularly like the quote "Wikipedia has its own rules and customs. If you're a foreigner walking into Wikipedia making demands, you can resemble the stereotypical American who walks into the place and demands a beer without first taking off your shoes and bowing to the elders."
The Art for the Millions: American Culture and Politics in the 1930s show at the Met looks like it will be right up your alley. Unfortunately, the snippet in the newsletter doesn't give any clues about the size of the show. I will be depending on you to do the requisite reconnaissance. Since it is the department of drawing and prints I am assuming that will be the main focus.
I have been working my way through the list of Abstract Expressionists you sent me the ling to back in March. Most did have articles, but many needed an image and some copy editing. I am having fun looking at their work. I ran across a review of the show (I think in Art Forum) which voiced complaints about how the show was hung; way too crowded and not enough thought about placement, leading to Abstract overload.
Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 00:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi R! 1. I guess you have read that the Andy Warhol Foundation lost it's case at the supreme court for the image of Prince. Will this be the thin end of the wedge regarding artistic appropriation? Is Roy Lichtenstein next? 2. Finally wrote the short article for Isadore Possoff. best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 00:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you very much to WomensArtistsUpdates for posting and editing the Hyman J. Warsager entry. I am a beginner at editing on Wikipedia, and I apologize for not documenting the change of place of death from NY to England. The Smithsonian location is actually incorrect. Warsager and his wife had moved to England in 1973 and he died there on November 27, 1974 in Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire. I attended the funeral there.I will try to find documentation of that in the boxes of his papers that I have in my possession. I do apologize for getting ahead of myself and changing that without supplying documentation. That will not happen again. He was my father and I was hoping to add some further details from my documents in the future to his entry, and I hope that is permissible under Wikipedia rules, which I will re-read as well as the editing guidelines. Thank you again, and apologies for getting ahead of myself. Rwarsager ( talk) 15:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can , contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse. |
Please help me with... I am seeking an experienced editor to whom I can ask some questions about what content and sources I can or cannot add, and edits I'm permitted to make to the entry about my father, "Hyman J. Warsager". There are several books on art history which mention him and I would like to add a few paragraphs of content from these with appropriate citation. Thank you very much. Rwarsager ( talk) 18:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager! The thread you created at the
Wikipedia:Teahouse, You can still read the archived discussion. If you have follow-up questions, please .
|
Conflict of Interest Disclosure: I have added several paragraphs to the article on artist "Hyman J. Warsager" (1909-1974). Mr. Warsager was my father, so in accordance with Wikipedia rules and guidelines I have endeavored to write in a neutral voice, citing relevant books and in one case a journal article, and using direct quotations in each case, to document the added statements. I have also specifically included other artists whenever relevant. I welcome any guidance from experienced Wikipedia editors. Thank you. Rwarsager ( talk) 01:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, Looking at your most recent edits, I'd like to gently remind you that you cannot present original research into Wikipedia articles. If you are researching works and receiving emails from the Norton Simon Museum, you are performing original research. It looks to me like you are being scrupulous in maintaining neutral point of view and avoiding COI, but if you start presenting e-mails as citations you are going to wander into original research. One other gentle reminder, copyright laws apply to works of art regardless of who owns them,so for example, if a professional photographer took a photo of your father, that image is copyrighted by the photographer until 70 years after the photographer's death. If it is unknown when the photographer died, I believe the image is assumed to be copyrighted until 120 years after the subject's death. You might want to read up on Fair use WP:FUR, which explains how copyrighted works can be used.
I was able to upload your father's WPA work, because they were created for the US Government and therefore are free to use. His non-WPA work is still under copyright regardless of who physically owns it. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 21:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, I went in and requested a "speedy delete" of the image on the commons, and also reduced the size of the image on English Wikipedia to comply with the "fair use" rule. You'll probably get a couple of pings about it, but I am pretty sure all is well, I just finished the final steps is getting it right.
If I may add a personal note, I was the person who did all three things mentioned above. I reverted your edits to National Serigraph Society back in June. I wrote that article and monitor edits on that page. I was unaware of the 1944 show in Dallas, so I used that citation to add to the list of artists associated with the Society. I then wrote article on all the notable artists from that batch, Hyman J. Warsager being one of them. I am the same grumpy person who requested citation of place of death and shook a finger at you for the Norton Simon e-mail :)
I created the article on the National Serigraph Society because it was a rich source of names of women artists. I think my favorite one is/was Gladys M. Lux. As you can read in her biography, her WPA commission was revoked so that "an artist with greater need" (a man) could get the money. Interesting too, she was a collector as well as producer of affordable prints.
It would be great to find some secondary source material on the 1940 MoMA show " Color Prints Under $10". It looks like Warsager was included in that show and I'll update the article to reflect that.
Again, if you get a bunch of alarming notices from Wiki commons and Wikipedia, don't be alarmed. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 19:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
{{u|WomenArtistUpdates}}
to the page you are call their attention to, alternatively you can post comments on their talk page, which in my case is
User talk:WomenArtistUpdates. Thanks again for the very interesting article.
WomenArtistUpdates (
talk) 19:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Well I continue my preliminary research. I am finding that the term "American Print Renaissance" most likely refers to the period of 1960 through 1990 when major American artists started working with print shops to create art prints. The artists worked with the master printers in a collaborative way to create the editions. (BTW Warhol's name comes up frequently, so my theory of him being an outlier is misguided.) Very interesting topic, but not our guys. I am interested in the phases that led up to the Renaissance. That time when printmaking parted ways with illustration and reproduction (replaced by photography) and became its own means of expression in America. I am taking a breath and figuring out my next steps. Hope all is well with you. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:21, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, Well I have hit a wall (for now). I am struggling to figure out how to "timeline" the print bandwagon of the 1980 (editions of 5,000) and the cratering of the print market in 1990s. I think once those items/events are somehow incorporated into the timeline we can move our article to main space and we can continue editing from there. Any ideas or sources?
Meanwhile, My inter library loan books are due at the library and I want to take a break from the topic to create a list of Book Artists (like Julie Chen) for the March Art + Feminism editathon. Lots of thoughts running around, but I am gonna work on this other project for a bit. Just a heads up and a thank you for all the work you are doing. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | ||
For your contributions to the Timeline of 20th century printmaking in America. |
Rwarsager, I have moved the page into the main space. I look forward to continued collaboration on this page and topic! WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 15:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Rwarsager, I recall you and I had a brief exchange about artist colonies. Just a note to let you know that the Smithsonian Associates are presenting a lecture on Byrdcliffe: An American Arts and Crafts Colony. It is an online event. I haven't heard this particular teacher before, but SA usually does a good job. Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 18:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the links you left me over on the Print timeline. The Axios article brings a perspective we don't see here in the talk pages. A business magazine trying to explain the importance of being on Wikipedia, but trying to lay out the rules of the road. I particularly like the quote "Wikipedia has its own rules and customs. If you're a foreigner walking into Wikipedia making demands, you can resemble the stereotypical American who walks into the place and demands a beer without first taking off your shoes and bowing to the elders."
The Art for the Millions: American Culture and Politics in the 1930s show at the Met looks like it will be right up your alley. Unfortunately, the snippet in the newsletter doesn't give any clues about the size of the show. I will be depending on you to do the requisite reconnaissance. Since it is the department of drawing and prints I am assuming that will be the main focus.
I have been working my way through the list of Abstract Expressionists you sent me the ling to back in March. Most did have articles, but many needed an image and some copy editing. I am having fun looking at their work. I ran across a review of the show (I think in Art Forum) which voiced complaints about how the show was hung; way too crowded and not enough thought about placement, leading to Abstract overload.
Best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 00:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi R! 1. I guess you have read that the Andy Warhol Foundation lost it's case at the supreme court for the image of Prince. Will this be the thin end of the wedge regarding artistic appropriation? Is Roy Lichtenstein next? 2. Finally wrote the short article for Isadore Possoff. best, WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 00:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for uploading File:Ceraglass-Ceragraphic Presentation - The Museum of American Glass in West Virginia.pdf. However, it is currently missing information on its copyright and licensing status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can verify that it has an acceptable license status and a verifiable source. Please add this information by editing the image description page. You may refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem.
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