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Welcome to Wikipedia, Roxy the dog! I am Bobrayner and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for your contributions. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out Wikipedia:Questions, or feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or type {{ helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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bobrayner ( talk) 10:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Bob. I am who you think I am Roxy the dog ( talk) 01:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello Roxy the dog,
I referred to you as "the dog lady" because I thought your name was female, Roxy, and you seemed to have a tolerance for the absurdity that is both amusing and annoying on Wikipedia. I love and hate it, but love wins out, so far. Anyway, I recall your brief presence during my brief time with the NLP article talk page, which I have since backed away from ;o) I apologize if it seemed like I was insulting you by referring to you as "the dog lady". I couldn't recall your user ID, just that it was someone the dog. I am female, and would be very unhappy to be referred to as the dog lady, unless it were meant that I liked dogs, or cared for them, e.g. in a kennel setting. That's the apology.
Now, time for the question! What is a pseudo-skeptic forum, do you think? Is it like Skeptics StackExchange? Or maybe Less Wrong #6? Or even the opposite of Less Wrong, I think, a critique of the critiquer's e.g. more right than Less Wrong? Or Snopes, or maybe the opposite view, Snopes is a hoax (this is an especially bizarre example)? In other words, is it a forum where they expose or try to refute superstitions that exploit or defraud people? Or is it "pseudo" because it merely pretends to do that? The latter would be an odd thing. Have you ever seen one of the latter? I haven't, and admit to some curiosity about it.
Thank you for reading this, and for considering my question. -- FeralOink ( talk) 22:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
hi,
as the editor who most recently flipped out and called attention to this user's editing, I am interested in how this is dealt with even though i do not actually have any experience with rice or agriculture related articles.
I am also not sure exactly whether a user's talk page is the best forum for this. even though i assume that's not your intent, it seems a little cabal-like. At the same time, I'm not sure what a more appropriate forum would be. maybe WT:AG? That seems public enough, targeted enough, and even though the project is inactive, it might attract additional voices that could be useful in figuring out how to handle this. Other suggestions are of course welcome. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 00:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I just noticed your question to me at the alt med page (sorry for the wait). I don't recall any specific problem - people just kept opening a lot of new sections, so there were a lot of them open at once.
Anyways, on an "advice" note I would say that if you get involved in that discussion, it will be time-sucking (and soul-sucking!) based on my previous experience. :-) It may get very frustrating, and you need to avoid that (in general, disciplinary action on Wikipedia is solely based on user conduct). If you've read the archives, don't model yourself after ParkSehjik ;-). (He was also socking - the IP addresses were his - and his exit from the discussion occurred when he was banned.) I eventually concluded that the first sentence wasn't really worth the trouble, and that the definitions from the medical organizations give at the least a good argument in Wikipedia policy ( WP:RS, etc. And of course WP:Verifiability, not truth.) The best opportunities to be productive in the article are probably, well, anywhere but the lead sentence.
By the way, we can always use help at WP:FTN. (There are also Wikiprojects, e.g. Medicine and Rational Skepticism, even though I don't spend much time with them myself.) Also, I'm not always around much, but feel free to drop a note on my talk page if I can ever answer any questions. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 10:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
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I don't know how seriously to take an editor debating nicely on a controversial subjects Talk page. Thing is, said editor doesn't have a wiki account and is what I believe is called an "IP Editor" If the person had an account, I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but he/she proposes (and makes a reasonable case) major changes to a page. It feels wrong that this could be done. How should I react? THX. -- Roxy the dog ( talk) 20:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
OK. Thank you very much. -- Roxy the dog ( talk) 22:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed it, as a consequence of removing the extensive fringe/notforum that was just posted by an ip editor (which has a history of fringe contribs there). I can replace it if you'd like, but it seems like it would lack context. let me know if i should do so anyway, or of course feel free to do so yourself. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 19:06, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Greetings and thank you for your contributions to WP. I have proposed a format for references on Alternative medicine. I wanted to let you know and give you an opportunity to comment here. Good day! - - MrBill3 ( talk) 17:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been passing around this link. His initial appearance at Talk:Rupert Sheldrake here consisted of extremely bizarre behavior: repeatedly (like 5 times) splitting comments after being told to stop (including splitting comments that ask not to split comments), arguing that http://blog.ted.com is a news organization and a reliable secondary source, and more.
I was completely convinced that it was his Tumbleman / Bubblefish trolling persona, as his boastful description of trolling activities elsewhere matched the behavior I was seeing. He took me to dispute resolution (the wrong place); the case was dismissed and I've ceased communicating with him altogether. He walks a delicate line of always being able to claim he's acting to the best of his ability, and so I'm unable to prove anything. He's been boastfully trolling for a decade, as his Tumbleman / Bubblefish persona on the 'net shows.
He was a defender of Sheldrake at the TED forums, so he has reason to be here other than random trolling. Maybe it's a real-life case of le Petit Tourette, where he's been trolling so long that he's lost the ability to interact for real. vzaak ( talk) 00:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Same fellow, virtually same article. Peridon ( talk) 18:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
We are seeking proper sources for a lower estimate, to give a range besides the organizers' claim. If you know of such sourcing, please join us at the RS noticeboard where consensus has been reached regarding the CVS source you have just used. Simply put, it has been determined by all that this source cannot be used as an estimate since much of the event had not begun at the time of its publication. If you need this concept explained in greater detail, the noticeboard will help.
Also you removed information about the upcoming march but did not explain why. Please be careful to use guidelines very carefully at pages related to Monsanto and GMOs, because the edits made to these pages are going to be scrutinized in the future.
Best, petrarchan47 t c 18:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, considering Tumbleman has been blocked, it would be best to avoid giving him the oxygen of publicity (trolls wish to disrupt by attracting attention to themselves). IRWolfie- ( talk) 12:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Roxy,
We obviously have a difference of opinion in what people are interested in, with regard to the recent changes on the Sedgefield page. Fair enough! I happen to think that people may be interested in what has happened to the Winterton church, you obviously don't. However, I did find insulting your assertion that I should buy advertising and that was the purpose of the edit. For your information, my only connection to the gym is that I patronise it, and enjoy the facilities that they offer. Therefore, your assumption that my edit was for personal gain is not only wrong but a little offensive. May I ask that you take the comment, suggesting I buy advertising space, out of the reversion edit.
As for the information, perhaps you would like to add a line discussing what has happened to the Winterton church yourself. In the end knowledge is knowledge and I think people would be interested and perhaps if you wrote it then it would be in a format we could agree upon.
Best regards,
Gary — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaryG1612 ( talk • contribs) 08:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The eye in the sky, she can't tell a lie. [3]
Seventy-four, they say "hi".
Did you know that monkeys fly? :-) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 03:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
p.s. There is a possibility to remove a comment from the edit-history, but it requires Vast Admin Powers.... and in fact that is not what GaryG1612 was asking you to do. WP:AGF. If you see somebody blank an entire article, replacing it with the backslash glyph, do you assume they are a vandal? Well, quite frankly, you are supposed to assume they fell out of their chair, accidentally hit ctrl+a while they grabbed for purchase with their lefthand fingers, and then slid their righthand fingers down the backspace-key, the backslash-key, and the enter-key, with a tap-to-click at *just* the right time to get their cursor into the edit-summary box, which would save the page. Now, obviously, you should still revert... but instead of saying 'vandal' when you revert, you can just say 'revert accidental pagewipe'. Well, okay, if you can say 'pagewipe' without spilling your drink, then you can do so, but as for myself, I say 'revert accidental pageblank' which is far less giggle-inducing.
Point being, Gary just wanted you to take them at their word, that the advert-scent your uber sensitive canine nostrils detected was unintentional... which means, Gary wanted you to WP:AGF. And in fact, they offered to let *you* do the rewrite, into NPOV, because they recognize that while they did not intend to be non-neutral, that maybe it is hard for them to accomplish. If you are willing to suspend disbelief enough to type 'revert pagewipe oopsie' in your edit-summary, you also ought to be able to WP:AGF enough to give Gary the benefit of the doubt, and go do a partial-revert of your edit-summary where you accused them of needing to go rent some billboards. By saying you are disinclined to make the symbolic gesture, of putting a different edit-summary into the edit-history in question, saying something like 'false alarm, my bad, Gary is innocent of the self-promotion charge, apologies for not AGF' ... you are saying you stand by your original assessment of the situation. Which is, namely, that Gary is a paid PR flack, or a stockholder in the church (or whatever you two are discussing), which is most definitely not WP:NICE. As you may have heard elsewhere, I'm a nazi about WP:NICE, because I think wikipedia badly needs it, for her long-term vitality. Anyways, if you want my unsolicited but good as gold or your money back advice, as always, you may check the edit-summary. :-)
As for *my* talkpage edit-history, I almost never use it. Feel free to leave me tidbits there, but I'm unlikely to see them, unless by chance. When I do happen to see them, you'll probably be rewarded -- or is punished the word I'm looking for -- with some horrid doggerel about monkeys, or somesuch. Thanks for improving wikipedia; please enjoy this treat, on the house. <reaches into pocket> <extracts bag of dog biscuits> <pulls out single biscuit> <tosses it> <spills bag during toss> <hundred biscuits on the floor> <dogpile!> 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 04:01, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Roxy, do you live in the UK? If so I am wondering whether people there see the British political system as a Two party system or as a Multi-party system. Which is your view?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 22:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
~ Matthewrbowker Make a comment! 23:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Have you heard of that newspaper? Are they more like national enquirer, or people magazine, or more like the new york times?
Context, if you care... they have a quote from 2005, long after his death, accusing Peter Sellers (who was Jewish I found out today) of purposely rewriting the synopsis of the final character he played before his death, from a generic British conman (is "spiv" even a word?) into a specifically-Jewish conman, which then led to some kind of outcry over the stereotype, back in the 1980s. So as of 2005, is Northern Echo some place you might trust for well-researched clear-headed journalistic integrity, or instead, some place you might suspect of gossip-oriented veiled-connotations yellow tabloidism? I've never heard of them, but apparently they are in the "top fifteen newspapers" for the northern half of the UK. Thanks 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 21:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Vizzini: Inconceivable!!!
Inigo: You keep saying that word; I do not think it means, what you think it means.
(As usual, the book was better.) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 12:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Can you point me to the bit that you're referring to? Those changes you reverted strike me as simple copy edits to improve the language and flow - what was contentious there...??? Thanks. Blippy ( talk) 11:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
You are going straight to whatever netherworld the sceptics believe in for that one. :-) — 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 00:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
"I always believed that Shelly stopped doing science in the eighties." No doubt that is a fully 100% correct statement of your beliefs. Possibly, we can even posit, your personal belief -- the mental model in your head which represents your take on reality -- could even be objectively true, in the sense that your belief-model reflects reality accurately.
Wikipedia is no place for such things. :-)
Sucks, eh? There is a pragmatic point to this pillar two, however. As you are well aware, there are tons of folks that want wikipedia to validate what they believe: Chopra is one you seem familiar with. There is a pragmatic defense mechanism, called COI aka Jimbo's Bright Line rule, which keeps Chopra from directly editing his own article in mainspace (but just like Weiler... Deepak or his staff are free to comment constructively on the Chopra-talkpage). But more importantly, anything in wikipedia that is challenged must be backed up by
WP:RS.
This is a specific wikiJargon. "Reliable" is not the standard meaning, any more than "Notable" is the standard meaning. Everything is defined in terms of sources. There is a single reliability-filter: if the source is a blog, or something equivalent that does not have a professional editorial board or peer-review system or somesuch (which provides *basic* fact-checking and *basic* noteworthy-filtering), then the entire contents of the entire source are excluded.
Many of the people that frequent the fringe-noticeboard have the mistaken belief that additional reliability-filters can be applied: excluding reliable source X because it logically conflicts with reliable source Y, or excluding some portion of reliable source Z because it conflicts with what-I-have-always-believed. Ahem. :-)
Anyways, this has always been one of the worst parts of wikipedia. It excludes the crackpots with a blog that have a new "theory" overturning galileo... but on the other end, it also excludes bloody obvious common-sense truths, that by happenstance have never yet been glanced over by some junior staff-member of the newspaper editorial board, or by some overworked anonymous peer-reviewer. WP:RS also means that anybody who *does* manage to get published and/or interviewed, like Sheldrake and Chopra, automatically become Noteworthy (and soon Notable) by wikipedia's strange counter-intuitive basis for the NPOV standard.
But take the long view with me... decades from now, either we will all be morphing each other about forgotten shopping-list-items (causing a crushing decline in smartphone sales), or there will be a footnote about the Sheldrake Fad which happened during the 1990s through 2010s, but then abruptly died down in 2018 when phytomorphologists in Shanghai published their bonsai tree research documenting how DNA is solely responsible for adult shape... applying it to humans, to win 87% of the Olympic medals at the 2020 olympics. Hope this helps, thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 15:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Instead of trying to blackwash the sheldrake page, because you fear that some pro-Sheldrake, umm, person, yeah, some pro-Sheldrake person like Craig Weiler The Psychic HealerTM will come along and whitewash the sheldrake page, just let the reliable sources tell the true tale. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... unless in cannot be reliably sourced and then wikipedia is not at fault. But believe me, we have the sources we need. We're just abusing them, torturing them, really... let my sources go, cry the silent masses of wikipedians! :-) Here's the real tale.
biologist-&-now-parapsychologist, co-author 14 books, lecturer/researcher/theorist in phytomorphology, philosophy-of-sci, subquantum physics, telepathy, politics-of-sci, theology, etc.
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Rupert Sheldrake. 1942. Fine upbringing. Likes plants. Confirmed atheist at 14; boarding school. Worked vivisection lab at 17, horrified by it. UCambridge undergrad, did very well, but resisted the mechanistic realism of the coursework. Left the country, left the field, arrived in the home of deconstructionism to study philosophy-of-science, on a prestigious fellowship. Read Thomas Kuhn. Science is only a paradigm. Rupert's mind finally clicks: Goethe was right, botany is holistic. Returns to UCambridge, love of biology renewed, but only wishes to pursue *holistic* biology, not mechanistic. Tries drugs; dislikes them; switches to transcendental meditation. Gets PhD anyways; he is that smart. Plenty of fellowships, too. But his real focus is not academia-in-the-now, but scholarly digging, seeking holism. Rupert reads biology papers, travelling back in time: 1960s, 1950s, 1940s, 1930s, 1920s. Finds the morphogenetics work... eureka! Generalizes it to the idea of morphic fields, the subquantum magic juice that neatly explains phytomorphology (something Rupert had been unable to explain with DNA), and not-so-coincidentally fits like a glove with Rupert's experiments in meditation/sufism/hinduism/christianAshrams. Seeks research funding, to prove the subquantum juice exists. Funding denied. Not just denied: mocked. Word gets around. Hey Rupert, telephone call... but you knew that already from morphic hahahahahahhhhaaaaa ... leaves UCambridge, six years short of getting tenured (seems little doubt he *would* have become a UCambridge professor -- cause as you point out the fellow is bloody smart). On his royal society research fellowship to study the rainforests of malaysia in 1969, he had spent a month with friends, staying near the gurus of India. So, laughed out of academia, scorned despite his brilliance, Rupert returns there, using his highly respectable academic credentials to get himself a commercial R&D position, studying improved legume crops, as part of the green revolution of the 1970s. But as with his time in academia, his real goal remains unchanged: holistic biology must resurge, Goethe must be avenged. How? His cushy research job pays far better than assistant-teaching-professor-wages, and his living expenses are next to nil, Hyderabad prices being somewhat lower than Cambridge prices. But ICRISAT does not pay well enough to buy a supercollider, and research the subquantum juices! So he does the obvious thing, and becomes a celebrity. Easy to do, if you are smart enough, and Rupert is that, sure enough. He switches to a part-time R&D position, just enough to pay the bills; he's about to get married, after all, and needs *some* cashflow. He writes a book. He finds a publisher. He unifies his Christian-with-eastern-leaning-roots, with his impeccable biology credentials, and puts forth a Theory Of Everything. ... which one or two scientists noticed... and one or two journalists... and tens or hundreds of thousands of now-rich used-to-be-hippies that sold out, who *respect* his scientific cred, while simultaneously *despising* science itself, due to their deep internal mental contradictions. The rest of the story is obvious. Catapulted to fame, the scientist despised by, nay, offensive to other scientists, loved by the New Agers *because* they secretly despise everything Sheldrake represents but cannot resist a Real Scientist who even partially validates their mystic worldview, the phytomorphologist that just wants to understand how plants work, and why the Cambrian explosion happened the way it did, becomes a spiritual guru. He publishes again in 1988. By the 1990s, he is becoming a Serious Goddamn Threat, and the organized real-world (as opposed to unorganized-in-the-wikiverse) guerrilla skeptics -- Randi, Wiseman, Maddox, Dawkins, et al -- are taking notice. It becomes a war of the gurus. Sheldrake, no moron, realizes that any publicity is good for his cause, namely, getting funding for his subquantum juice research. He gives lectures. He writes letters to the editor. He goes on teevee. In short, the man is a genius, *and* photogenic to boot. All those years at UCambridge, debating with the sharpest tools in the shed, are finally paying off. Sheldrake gets the big UTrinity bequest grant. No longer on a shoe-string, examining dogs for psychic powers, and trying to see if people really do know they are being stared at. He gets his professorship, too, albeit at LearnDotEdu rather than at CambridgeDotEduDotUk, but still. Wikipedia, in the meantime, has become one of the top ten websites in the world. Sheldrake is wikiNotable, morphic fields are wikiNotable (there are five book and fifty papers and 500 newspaper articles that mention "morphic this-or-that" at one point), so both get articles. Ditto over on deWiki for the German-speakers. But in the real world, outside the wikiverse, Sheldrake is still seeking publicity, to fund his quest. He decides to write a new book, a *very* provocative book, Science Set Free, in which he, Sheldrake, *dares* to play the sceptic-of-philosophy, questioning the conservation of energy... zOMG NEWTON IS SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE! There is a TEDx talk. There is a scandal over censorship; Rupert comes out smelling like a rose. Freshly-minted editors show up at wikipedia, ready to spend however long it takes, to give Sheldrake what he so royally deserves. They give it to him. Morphic fields: deleted. Sheldrake's BLP page turns into a rupert-you-suxk screed, ever so slightly tamed by making sure that every sentence is verifiable in a (cherrypicked) source. Not surprisingly, Sheldrake capitalizes (cf capitalism) on this mistake. Blogs about the woeful bias in wikipedia. Asks his buddy Craig to "help" on wikipedia. Allegedly, has a short meeting with Tumbleman, a fascinating-transhuman-wannabe, who thereafter uses wikipedia as their personal debating society for two months, imitating *me* from what I can tell. But interestingly, tellingly, the real guerrilla skeptics, Gerbic and Farley and Randi, disclaim any hand in the deeds that Sheldrake is baldly accusing them of. They claim it is an emergent phenomenon. They are right... but by publishing rebuttals, they only feed the fire. Sooner or later, with gridlock in the Sheldrake wikiverse, and constant hype from Sheldrake/Weiler/Chopra in the blogosphere, the mainstream media finally... notices. Sheldrake goes on BBC. Coyne -- the sucker -- unable to resist, publishes a rebuttal in NewRepublic... just what Sheldrake would want, now isn't it? That *guarantees* that his wikipedia BLP page will have to cover the phenomena, of how alleged guerrilla skeptics are allegedly out to get Rupert. Bet you a million bucks that if Coyne had not taken the bait, Rupert would have found somebody else to do it, one way or the other. Look over at deWiki; they are no suckers. What did they do? Nothing. Why not? Well, quite frankly, because Weiler and Tumbleman don't sprechen sie Deutsche, is why. The talkpage on deWiki had two messages in the last three years. Mainspace was updated six times; only four by humans, the others were bohts. Sometimes, the best way to win is by intelligently relaxing, rather than by forcibly resisting. |
The man is very smart, and he is playing this situation like a fiddle, using wikipedia to advance his subquantum juices, and should you care to do so, I want you to have a nice talkpage conversation with the lilac pen, and darth vader, and the man with three names, and explain to them what blowback means, in a few terse morphic barks. Please. Oxygen of publicity. Let David run things, and watch the oxygen dry up. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
They have dealt with, and are still dealing with, far worse problems. For example, User_talk:Paul_Barlow#Religion, this little ongoing problem. The skeptic-is-identical-to-npov folks on the Sheldrake page think that the Sheldrake article has trouble, with zealous pro-Sheldrake editors. WP:NOCLUE applies. Paul_B, with help from David, could probably clean up our minor BLP scuffle in less than a day of walltime, perhaps two hours of actual-editing-and-commenting-time. But only if we let them, and don't ninja-revert back to the sheldrake-cannot-be-a-biologist-logic-abhors-it-dance. :-) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 16:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Roxy the dog,
Just to respond to something you asked on ANI: yes, non-admins are allowed to participate at ANI. Some ANI threads are simply someone seeking admin attention for something, in which case an admin will usually either do it (or not do it if it seems like a bad idea). Others are discussions about the appropriateness of blocks or other admin actions and constructive, mature discussion from both admins and non-admins is encouraged. I hope that clears that up. — Tom Morris ( talk) 07:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Abstract Vibroacoustic therapy (VAT) traditionally considered to be a physical and receptive type of music therapy intervention, uses pulsed, sinusoidal, low-frequency sound on a specially designed bed or chair. Today VAT is viewed as a multimodal approach, whereby the therapist works with the client’s physiological and psychological experiences, incorporating a mind–body approach. This article provides current knowledge in clinical practice emphasizing the systematic and documented implementations of VAT. This includes presentation and explication of the key elements of VAT, assessments, treatment plans and procedures, documentation, and evaluation of the treatment with recommendations for follow-up care in health and rehabilitation. Recent research is presented, and directions for future research are considered. Applicable views on clinical training and required competencies are outlined.
Here are relevant literature examples from my own library
-- Cyrinus ( talk) 12:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry, I have to take it to your talk page, but I am afraid your are not going to get off that easy on this one. I am very interested in getting an explanation of your reasoning. Apparently you sympathise with the group that User:Sgerbic is connected to, and you are willing to accept the actions on Wikipedia regarding them. Then you reason that since they should be allowed to do whatever it is they do, the same should apply to "Drug Free Australia". When I raise some technical points with regard to policy in this particular case, you dismiss it on the grounds that "For the record, you are quite wrong in this regard, and I assume equally wrong in your comments below" without commenting (and I presume even taking the time to read) on the evidence I provided. Again, sorry for harping on you about this, but I couldn't help but notice that "woolly logic" is one of your pet peeves, and as such I assume that there must be more to your argument than mere "wool". -- Saddhiyama ( talk) 14:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, your recent edit to Sheldrake and comments elsewhere perhaps indicate that you didn't realize that consecutive edits by the same person don't count as multiple reverts? Also, a revert is not tied to a particular piece of text. Changing N pieces of text is at most one revert, as long as there are no intervening edits by others. vzaak 12:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I want to continue this love-in away from prying eyes.
Get a throwaway gmail account. Barney the barney barney ( talk) 19:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, noticed your comment [4] at Talk:Acupuncture. Seen this? regards, Middle 8 ( talk) 09:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Roxy the Dog.
I was hoping we could have a discussion about the deletions you made of my addition to Integrative Medicine. I did start a section on the talk page, but you seem to have just made the deletions without adding to the discussion, so perhaps you didn't see it. Your comment was that I was citing my own article, but you neglected to take into account that it was still from a peer reviewed medical journal specifically on pain relief. I carefully thought through which topic I felt was missing from Integrative medicine and spoke on the subject. I believe that I was not introducing anything controversial, and only presenting carefully sourced information. May we please have a discussion before you make any further changes? Thanks CJ ( talk) 02:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Please read what the (previously and now) cited source says: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Osteopathy/Pages/Introduction.aspx
And I quote directly from the article from the section Does osteopathy work?
"There is good evidence that osteopathy is effective for the treatment of persistent lower back pain. The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommends it as a treatment for this condition. There is limited evidence to suggest it may be effective for some types of neck, shoulder or lower limb pain and recovery after hip or knee operations. There is no good evidence that osteopathy is effective as a treatment for health conditions unrelated to the musculoskeletal system (bones and muscles)." This fits exactly with what my edit said. You're right that I mistakenly hit minor edit (ever consider that perhaps it was an accident and assume good faith maybe ( Wikipedia:Assume good faith)? If you feel I deviated somehow from what the text says, let me know how exactly I did that and I will attempt to correct it, but I do not appreciate the COI and POV comment. That was entirely unnecessary. TylerDurden8823 ( talk) 07:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
If the claims in his article are covered in the text of the article, please add in-line citations backing up those (very incendiary) claims rather than removing the citation tags. Wikipedia's Biography of Living Persons policy does not allow uncited claims like these in articles. - Gloriamarie ( talk) 01:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Read policy (as on Talk:Acu or Talk:AltMed -- here). You're wrong. Objective standards exist; part of WP:FRINGE. -- Middle 8 ( talk) 20:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi roxy the dog,
About your insistence on the old version. 1. Namikoshi did not invent shiatsu, he developed a version of it. You are using Ernst opinions and citing his book of opinions but this is not the same as research denying its effectiveness. The history of shiatsu should be laid out. Then we should have a section for the criticism but your support of the one-sided and extreme position of one particular critic is not good for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankank ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Roxy, a quick message re Shiatsu. In the future please avoid edit warring unless it meets the exceptions (which this didn't). I'm mentioning this to you and Bobrayner because you continued the edit war well beyond 3RR (even though you didn't break 3RR yourself). In the future, report to [{WP:ANEW]] or WP:ANI and wait rather than edit warring. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 05:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Check the history of your recent revert of my edits, you reverted my removal of the section on the scam emails. Was that your intention? DES (talk) 17:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I have filed a complaint on the admin board regarding two fringe proponents causing trouble about parapsychological related articles. I would appreciate your opinion on the matter. Goblin Face ( talk) 15:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Tom Butler is being discussed at WP:AE. 76.107.171.90 ( talk) 00:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, a question re Wikipedia:Requests for comment/QuackGuru2: You endorsed jps' outside view, which said, among other things, that Wikipedia "would be better off if the two editors endorsing the RfC were banned from these topics" (said topics, I assume, being the areas where QG's conduct is indicted in the RfC; it's unclear). We've had some interaction relatively recently, but Iassume you must have reviewed my edits (and block log etc.), and those of Mallexikon (the other RfC endorser), or you wouldn't have endorsed such a strong statement. Apart from whatever objections you have to the RfC itself, can you explain why you believe Mallexikon and myself deserve to be topic-banned, and from which topics particularly? What have we done that's that bad? Maybe you can show me a couple diffs that are representative of whatever ongoing problems there are. I'd appreciate the feedback; I'm pretty sure Mallexikon would too! Thanks. -- Middle 8 ( leave me alone • talk to me • COI) 09:19, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Roxy the dog, you are well respected member, Probably impossible to understand by anyone, who lied to you so that you protect a misogynist RooshV who was named the most hated man in the world, part of extremist and hate group, who is on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s extremism report, a privilege usually reserved for neo-Nazis and terrorists
Maybe you should read more about him, before editing his page and removing important information about him.
Do you realize the effect that it has on your reputation, to support an extremist, mysoginist, have you even read his hateful works and the interviews for Washtington Times or Daily Dot magazines and what RooshV constantly promotes? Have you read his books and his articles and what Roosh constantly promotes? Do you realize the effect on your reputation to associate yourself with RooshV ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egirl90 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Bob. I am who you think I am Roxy the dog ( talk) 01:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello Roxy the dog,
I referred to you as "the dog lady" because I thought your name was female, Roxy, and you seemed to have a tolerance for the absurdity that is both amusing and annoying on Wikipedia. I love and hate it, but love wins out, so far. Anyway, I recall your brief presence during my brief time with the NLP article talk page, which I have since backed away from ;o) I apologize if it seemed like I was insulting you by referring to you as "the dog lady". I couldn't recall your user ID, just that it was someone the dog. I am female, and would be very unhappy to be referred to as the dog lady, unless it were meant that I liked dogs, or cared for them, e.g. in a kennel setting. That's the apology.
Now, time for the question! What is a pseudo-skeptic forum, do you think? Is it like Skeptics StackExchange? Or maybe Less Wrong #6? Or even the opposite of Less Wrong, I think, a critique of the critiquer's e.g. more right than Less Wrong? Or Snopes, or maybe the opposite view, Snopes is a hoax (this is an especially bizarre example)? In other words, is it a forum where they expose or try to refute superstitions that exploit or defraud people? Or is it "pseudo" because it merely pretends to do that? The latter would be an odd thing. Have you ever seen one of the latter? I haven't, and admit to some curiosity about it.
Thank you for reading this, and for considering my question. -- FeralOink ( talk) 22:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
hi,
as the editor who most recently flipped out and called attention to this user's editing, I am interested in how this is dealt with even though i do not actually have any experience with rice or agriculture related articles.
I am also not sure exactly whether a user's talk page is the best forum for this. even though i assume that's not your intent, it seems a little cabal-like. At the same time, I'm not sure what a more appropriate forum would be. maybe WT:AG? That seems public enough, targeted enough, and even though the project is inactive, it might attract additional voices that could be useful in figuring out how to handle this. Other suggestions are of course welcome. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 00:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I just noticed your question to me at the alt med page (sorry for the wait). I don't recall any specific problem - people just kept opening a lot of new sections, so there were a lot of them open at once.
Anyways, on an "advice" note I would say that if you get involved in that discussion, it will be time-sucking (and soul-sucking!) based on my previous experience. :-) It may get very frustrating, and you need to avoid that (in general, disciplinary action on Wikipedia is solely based on user conduct). If you've read the archives, don't model yourself after ParkSehjik ;-). (He was also socking - the IP addresses were his - and his exit from the discussion occurred when he was banned.) I eventually concluded that the first sentence wasn't really worth the trouble, and that the definitions from the medical organizations give at the least a good argument in Wikipedia policy ( WP:RS, etc. And of course WP:Verifiability, not truth.) The best opportunities to be productive in the article are probably, well, anywhere but the lead sentence.
By the way, we can always use help at WP:FTN. (There are also Wikiprojects, e.g. Medicine and Rational Skepticism, even though I don't spend much time with them myself.) Also, I'm not always around much, but feel free to drop a note on my talk page if I can ever answer any questions. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 10:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
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I don't know how seriously to take an editor debating nicely on a controversial subjects Talk page. Thing is, said editor doesn't have a wiki account and is what I believe is called an "IP Editor" If the person had an account, I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but he/she proposes (and makes a reasonable case) major changes to a page. It feels wrong that this could be done. How should I react? THX. -- Roxy the dog ( talk) 20:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
OK. Thank you very much. -- Roxy the dog ( talk) 22:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed it, as a consequence of removing the extensive fringe/notforum that was just posted by an ip editor (which has a history of fringe contribs there). I can replace it if you'd like, but it seems like it would lack context. let me know if i should do so anyway, or of course feel free to do so yourself. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 19:06, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Greetings and thank you for your contributions to WP. I have proposed a format for references on Alternative medicine. I wanted to let you know and give you an opportunity to comment here. Good day! - - MrBill3 ( talk) 17:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I've been passing around this link. His initial appearance at Talk:Rupert Sheldrake here consisted of extremely bizarre behavior: repeatedly (like 5 times) splitting comments after being told to stop (including splitting comments that ask not to split comments), arguing that http://blog.ted.com is a news organization and a reliable secondary source, and more.
I was completely convinced that it was his Tumbleman / Bubblefish trolling persona, as his boastful description of trolling activities elsewhere matched the behavior I was seeing. He took me to dispute resolution (the wrong place); the case was dismissed and I've ceased communicating with him altogether. He walks a delicate line of always being able to claim he's acting to the best of his ability, and so I'm unable to prove anything. He's been boastfully trolling for a decade, as his Tumbleman / Bubblefish persona on the 'net shows.
He was a defender of Sheldrake at the TED forums, so he has reason to be here other than random trolling. Maybe it's a real-life case of le Petit Tourette, where he's been trolling so long that he's lost the ability to interact for real. vzaak ( talk) 00:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Same fellow, virtually same article. Peridon ( talk) 18:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
We are seeking proper sources for a lower estimate, to give a range besides the organizers' claim. If you know of such sourcing, please join us at the RS noticeboard where consensus has been reached regarding the CVS source you have just used. Simply put, it has been determined by all that this source cannot be used as an estimate since much of the event had not begun at the time of its publication. If you need this concept explained in greater detail, the noticeboard will help.
Also you removed information about the upcoming march but did not explain why. Please be careful to use guidelines very carefully at pages related to Monsanto and GMOs, because the edits made to these pages are going to be scrutinized in the future.
Best, petrarchan47 t c 18:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, considering Tumbleman has been blocked, it would be best to avoid giving him the oxygen of publicity (trolls wish to disrupt by attracting attention to themselves). IRWolfie- ( talk) 12:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Roxy,
We obviously have a difference of opinion in what people are interested in, with regard to the recent changes on the Sedgefield page. Fair enough! I happen to think that people may be interested in what has happened to the Winterton church, you obviously don't. However, I did find insulting your assertion that I should buy advertising and that was the purpose of the edit. For your information, my only connection to the gym is that I patronise it, and enjoy the facilities that they offer. Therefore, your assumption that my edit was for personal gain is not only wrong but a little offensive. May I ask that you take the comment, suggesting I buy advertising space, out of the reversion edit.
As for the information, perhaps you would like to add a line discussing what has happened to the Winterton church yourself. In the end knowledge is knowledge and I think people would be interested and perhaps if you wrote it then it would be in a format we could agree upon.
Best regards,
Gary — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaryG1612 ( talk • contribs) 08:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The eye in the sky, she can't tell a lie. [3]
Seventy-four, they say "hi".
Did you know that monkeys fly? :-) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 03:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
p.s. There is a possibility to remove a comment from the edit-history, but it requires Vast Admin Powers.... and in fact that is not what GaryG1612 was asking you to do. WP:AGF. If you see somebody blank an entire article, replacing it with the backslash glyph, do you assume they are a vandal? Well, quite frankly, you are supposed to assume they fell out of their chair, accidentally hit ctrl+a while they grabbed for purchase with their lefthand fingers, and then slid their righthand fingers down the backspace-key, the backslash-key, and the enter-key, with a tap-to-click at *just* the right time to get their cursor into the edit-summary box, which would save the page. Now, obviously, you should still revert... but instead of saying 'vandal' when you revert, you can just say 'revert accidental pagewipe'. Well, okay, if you can say 'pagewipe' without spilling your drink, then you can do so, but as for myself, I say 'revert accidental pageblank' which is far less giggle-inducing.
Point being, Gary just wanted you to take them at their word, that the advert-scent your uber sensitive canine nostrils detected was unintentional... which means, Gary wanted you to WP:AGF. And in fact, they offered to let *you* do the rewrite, into NPOV, because they recognize that while they did not intend to be non-neutral, that maybe it is hard for them to accomplish. If you are willing to suspend disbelief enough to type 'revert pagewipe oopsie' in your edit-summary, you also ought to be able to WP:AGF enough to give Gary the benefit of the doubt, and go do a partial-revert of your edit-summary where you accused them of needing to go rent some billboards. By saying you are disinclined to make the symbolic gesture, of putting a different edit-summary into the edit-history in question, saying something like 'false alarm, my bad, Gary is innocent of the self-promotion charge, apologies for not AGF' ... you are saying you stand by your original assessment of the situation. Which is, namely, that Gary is a paid PR flack, or a stockholder in the church (or whatever you two are discussing), which is most definitely not WP:NICE. As you may have heard elsewhere, I'm a nazi about WP:NICE, because I think wikipedia badly needs it, for her long-term vitality. Anyways, if you want my unsolicited but good as gold or your money back advice, as always, you may check the edit-summary. :-)
As for *my* talkpage edit-history, I almost never use it. Feel free to leave me tidbits there, but I'm unlikely to see them, unless by chance. When I do happen to see them, you'll probably be rewarded -- or is punished the word I'm looking for -- with some horrid doggerel about monkeys, or somesuch. Thanks for improving wikipedia; please enjoy this treat, on the house. <reaches into pocket> <extracts bag of dog biscuits> <pulls out single biscuit> <tosses it> <spills bag during toss> <hundred biscuits on the floor> <dogpile!> 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 04:01, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Roxy, do you live in the UK? If so I am wondering whether people there see the British political system as a Two party system or as a Multi-party system. Which is your view?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 22:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
~ Matthewrbowker Make a comment! 23:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Have you heard of that newspaper? Are they more like national enquirer, or people magazine, or more like the new york times?
Context, if you care... they have a quote from 2005, long after his death, accusing Peter Sellers (who was Jewish I found out today) of purposely rewriting the synopsis of the final character he played before his death, from a generic British conman (is "spiv" even a word?) into a specifically-Jewish conman, which then led to some kind of outcry over the stereotype, back in the 1980s. So as of 2005, is Northern Echo some place you might trust for well-researched clear-headed journalistic integrity, or instead, some place you might suspect of gossip-oriented veiled-connotations yellow tabloidism? I've never heard of them, but apparently they are in the "top fifteen newspapers" for the northern half of the UK. Thanks 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 21:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Vizzini: Inconceivable!!!
Inigo: You keep saying that word; I do not think it means, what you think it means.
(As usual, the book was better.) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 12:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Can you point me to the bit that you're referring to? Those changes you reverted strike me as simple copy edits to improve the language and flow - what was contentious there...??? Thanks. Blippy ( talk) 11:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
You are going straight to whatever netherworld the sceptics believe in for that one. :-) — 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 00:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
"I always believed that Shelly stopped doing science in the eighties." No doubt that is a fully 100% correct statement of your beliefs. Possibly, we can even posit, your personal belief -- the mental model in your head which represents your take on reality -- could even be objectively true, in the sense that your belief-model reflects reality accurately.
Wikipedia is no place for such things. :-)
Sucks, eh? There is a pragmatic point to this pillar two, however. As you are well aware, there are tons of folks that want wikipedia to validate what they believe: Chopra is one you seem familiar with. There is a pragmatic defense mechanism, called COI aka Jimbo's Bright Line rule, which keeps Chopra from directly editing his own article in mainspace (but just like Weiler... Deepak or his staff are free to comment constructively on the Chopra-talkpage). But more importantly, anything in wikipedia that is challenged must be backed up by
WP:RS.
This is a specific wikiJargon. "Reliable" is not the standard meaning, any more than "Notable" is the standard meaning. Everything is defined in terms of sources. There is a single reliability-filter: if the source is a blog, or something equivalent that does not have a professional editorial board or peer-review system or somesuch (which provides *basic* fact-checking and *basic* noteworthy-filtering), then the entire contents of the entire source are excluded.
Many of the people that frequent the fringe-noticeboard have the mistaken belief that additional reliability-filters can be applied: excluding reliable source X because it logically conflicts with reliable source Y, or excluding some portion of reliable source Z because it conflicts with what-I-have-always-believed. Ahem. :-)
Anyways, this has always been one of the worst parts of wikipedia. It excludes the crackpots with a blog that have a new "theory" overturning galileo... but on the other end, it also excludes bloody obvious common-sense truths, that by happenstance have never yet been glanced over by some junior staff-member of the newspaper editorial board, or by some overworked anonymous peer-reviewer. WP:RS also means that anybody who *does* manage to get published and/or interviewed, like Sheldrake and Chopra, automatically become Noteworthy (and soon Notable) by wikipedia's strange counter-intuitive basis for the NPOV standard.
But take the long view with me... decades from now, either we will all be morphing each other about forgotten shopping-list-items (causing a crushing decline in smartphone sales), or there will be a footnote about the Sheldrake Fad which happened during the 1990s through 2010s, but then abruptly died down in 2018 when phytomorphologists in Shanghai published their bonsai tree research documenting how DNA is solely responsible for adult shape... applying it to humans, to win 87% of the Olympic medals at the 2020 olympics. Hope this helps, thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 15:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Instead of trying to blackwash the sheldrake page, because you fear that some pro-Sheldrake, umm, person, yeah, some pro-Sheldrake person like Craig Weiler The Psychic HealerTM will come along and whitewash the sheldrake page, just let the reliable sources tell the true tale. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... unless in cannot be reliably sourced and then wikipedia is not at fault. But believe me, we have the sources we need. We're just abusing them, torturing them, really... let my sources go, cry the silent masses of wikipedians! :-) Here's the real tale.
biologist-&-now-parapsychologist, co-author 14 books, lecturer/researcher/theorist in phytomorphology, philosophy-of-sci, subquantum physics, telepathy, politics-of-sci, theology, etc.
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Rupert Sheldrake. 1942. Fine upbringing. Likes plants. Confirmed atheist at 14; boarding school. Worked vivisection lab at 17, horrified by it. UCambridge undergrad, did very well, but resisted the mechanistic realism of the coursework. Left the country, left the field, arrived in the home of deconstructionism to study philosophy-of-science, on a prestigious fellowship. Read Thomas Kuhn. Science is only a paradigm. Rupert's mind finally clicks: Goethe was right, botany is holistic. Returns to UCambridge, love of biology renewed, but only wishes to pursue *holistic* biology, not mechanistic. Tries drugs; dislikes them; switches to transcendental meditation. Gets PhD anyways; he is that smart. Plenty of fellowships, too. But his real focus is not academia-in-the-now, but scholarly digging, seeking holism. Rupert reads biology papers, travelling back in time: 1960s, 1950s, 1940s, 1930s, 1920s. Finds the morphogenetics work... eureka! Generalizes it to the idea of morphic fields, the subquantum magic juice that neatly explains phytomorphology (something Rupert had been unable to explain with DNA), and not-so-coincidentally fits like a glove with Rupert's experiments in meditation/sufism/hinduism/christianAshrams. Seeks research funding, to prove the subquantum juice exists. Funding denied. Not just denied: mocked. Word gets around. Hey Rupert, telephone call... but you knew that already from morphic hahahahahahhhhaaaaa ... leaves UCambridge, six years short of getting tenured (seems little doubt he *would* have become a UCambridge professor -- cause as you point out the fellow is bloody smart). On his royal society research fellowship to study the rainforests of malaysia in 1969, he had spent a month with friends, staying near the gurus of India. So, laughed out of academia, scorned despite his brilliance, Rupert returns there, using his highly respectable academic credentials to get himself a commercial R&D position, studying improved legume crops, as part of the green revolution of the 1970s. But as with his time in academia, his real goal remains unchanged: holistic biology must resurge, Goethe must be avenged. How? His cushy research job pays far better than assistant-teaching-professor-wages, and his living expenses are next to nil, Hyderabad prices being somewhat lower than Cambridge prices. But ICRISAT does not pay well enough to buy a supercollider, and research the subquantum juices! So he does the obvious thing, and becomes a celebrity. Easy to do, if you are smart enough, and Rupert is that, sure enough. He switches to a part-time R&D position, just enough to pay the bills; he's about to get married, after all, and needs *some* cashflow. He writes a book. He finds a publisher. He unifies his Christian-with-eastern-leaning-roots, with his impeccable biology credentials, and puts forth a Theory Of Everything. ... which one or two scientists noticed... and one or two journalists... and tens or hundreds of thousands of now-rich used-to-be-hippies that sold out, who *respect* his scientific cred, while simultaneously *despising* science itself, due to their deep internal mental contradictions. The rest of the story is obvious. Catapulted to fame, the scientist despised by, nay, offensive to other scientists, loved by the New Agers *because* they secretly despise everything Sheldrake represents but cannot resist a Real Scientist who even partially validates their mystic worldview, the phytomorphologist that just wants to understand how plants work, and why the Cambrian explosion happened the way it did, becomes a spiritual guru. He publishes again in 1988. By the 1990s, he is becoming a Serious Goddamn Threat, and the organized real-world (as opposed to unorganized-in-the-wikiverse) guerrilla skeptics -- Randi, Wiseman, Maddox, Dawkins, et al -- are taking notice. It becomes a war of the gurus. Sheldrake, no moron, realizes that any publicity is good for his cause, namely, getting funding for his subquantum juice research. He gives lectures. He writes letters to the editor. He goes on teevee. In short, the man is a genius, *and* photogenic to boot. All those years at UCambridge, debating with the sharpest tools in the shed, are finally paying off. Sheldrake gets the big UTrinity bequest grant. No longer on a shoe-string, examining dogs for psychic powers, and trying to see if people really do know they are being stared at. He gets his professorship, too, albeit at LearnDotEdu rather than at CambridgeDotEduDotUk, but still. Wikipedia, in the meantime, has become one of the top ten websites in the world. Sheldrake is wikiNotable, morphic fields are wikiNotable (there are five book and fifty papers and 500 newspaper articles that mention "morphic this-or-that" at one point), so both get articles. Ditto over on deWiki for the German-speakers. But in the real world, outside the wikiverse, Sheldrake is still seeking publicity, to fund his quest. He decides to write a new book, a *very* provocative book, Science Set Free, in which he, Sheldrake, *dares* to play the sceptic-of-philosophy, questioning the conservation of energy... zOMG NEWTON IS SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE! There is a TEDx talk. There is a scandal over censorship; Rupert comes out smelling like a rose. Freshly-minted editors show up at wikipedia, ready to spend however long it takes, to give Sheldrake what he so royally deserves. They give it to him. Morphic fields: deleted. Sheldrake's BLP page turns into a rupert-you-suxk screed, ever so slightly tamed by making sure that every sentence is verifiable in a (cherrypicked) source. Not surprisingly, Sheldrake capitalizes (cf capitalism) on this mistake. Blogs about the woeful bias in wikipedia. Asks his buddy Craig to "help" on wikipedia. Allegedly, has a short meeting with Tumbleman, a fascinating-transhuman-wannabe, who thereafter uses wikipedia as their personal debating society for two months, imitating *me* from what I can tell. But interestingly, tellingly, the real guerrilla skeptics, Gerbic and Farley and Randi, disclaim any hand in the deeds that Sheldrake is baldly accusing them of. They claim it is an emergent phenomenon. They are right... but by publishing rebuttals, they only feed the fire. Sooner or later, with gridlock in the Sheldrake wikiverse, and constant hype from Sheldrake/Weiler/Chopra in the blogosphere, the mainstream media finally... notices. Sheldrake goes on BBC. Coyne -- the sucker -- unable to resist, publishes a rebuttal in NewRepublic... just what Sheldrake would want, now isn't it? That *guarantees* that his wikipedia BLP page will have to cover the phenomena, of how alleged guerrilla skeptics are allegedly out to get Rupert. Bet you a million bucks that if Coyne had not taken the bait, Rupert would have found somebody else to do it, one way or the other. Look over at deWiki; they are no suckers. What did they do? Nothing. Why not? Well, quite frankly, because Weiler and Tumbleman don't sprechen sie Deutsche, is why. The talkpage on deWiki had two messages in the last three years. Mainspace was updated six times; only four by humans, the others were bohts. Sometimes, the best way to win is by intelligently relaxing, rather than by forcibly resisting. |
The man is very smart, and he is playing this situation like a fiddle, using wikipedia to advance his subquantum juices, and should you care to do so, I want you to have a nice talkpage conversation with the lilac pen, and darth vader, and the man with three names, and explain to them what blowback means, in a few terse morphic barks. Please. Oxygen of publicity. Let David run things, and watch the oxygen dry up. 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
They have dealt with, and are still dealing with, far worse problems. For example, User_talk:Paul_Barlow#Religion, this little ongoing problem. The skeptic-is-identical-to-npov folks on the Sheldrake page think that the Sheldrake article has trouble, with zealous pro-Sheldrake editors. WP:NOCLUE applies. Paul_B, with help from David, could probably clean up our minor BLP scuffle in less than a day of walltime, perhaps two hours of actual-editing-and-commenting-time. But only if we let them, and don't ninja-revert back to the sheldrake-cannot-be-a-biologist-logic-abhors-it-dance. :-) 74.192.84.101 ( talk) 16:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.
This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Roxy the dog,
Just to respond to something you asked on ANI: yes, non-admins are allowed to participate at ANI. Some ANI threads are simply someone seeking admin attention for something, in which case an admin will usually either do it (or not do it if it seems like a bad idea). Others are discussions about the appropriateness of blocks or other admin actions and constructive, mature discussion from both admins and non-admins is encouraged. I hope that clears that up. — Tom Morris ( talk) 07:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Abstract Vibroacoustic therapy (VAT) traditionally considered to be a physical and receptive type of music therapy intervention, uses pulsed, sinusoidal, low-frequency sound on a specially designed bed or chair. Today VAT is viewed as a multimodal approach, whereby the therapist works with the client’s physiological and psychological experiences, incorporating a mind–body approach. This article provides current knowledge in clinical practice emphasizing the systematic and documented implementations of VAT. This includes presentation and explication of the key elements of VAT, assessments, treatment plans and procedures, documentation, and evaluation of the treatment with recommendations for follow-up care in health and rehabilitation. Recent research is presented, and directions for future research are considered. Applicable views on clinical training and required competencies are outlined.
Here are relevant literature examples from my own library
-- Cyrinus ( talk) 12:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Comments such as these are not helpful to establishing consensus or a collaborative and collegial editing atmosphere, suggest a [{WP:Battle|battleground attitude to editing Wikipeda]], and the first borders on if not is a BLP violation. I ask you to please remove or refactor your comment, and take more care in the future. Thank you, Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 09:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I have to take it to your talk page, but I am afraid your are not going to get off that easy on this one. I am very interested in getting an explanation of your reasoning. Apparently you sympathise with the group that User:Sgerbic is connected to, and you are willing to accept the actions on Wikipedia regarding them. Then you reason that since they should be allowed to do whatever it is they do, the same should apply to "Drug Free Australia". When I raise some technical points with regard to policy in this particular case, you dismiss it on the grounds that "For the record, you are quite wrong in this regard, and I assume equally wrong in your comments below" without commenting (and I presume even taking the time to read) on the evidence I provided. Again, sorry for harping on you about this, but I couldn't help but notice that "woolly logic" is one of your pet peeves, and as such I assume that there must be more to your argument than mere "wool". -- Saddhiyama ( talk) 14:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, your recent edit to Sheldrake and comments elsewhere perhaps indicate that you didn't realize that consecutive edits by the same person don't count as multiple reverts? Also, a revert is not tied to a particular piece of text. Changing N pieces of text is at most one revert, as long as there are no intervening edits by others. vzaak 12:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I want to continue this love-in away from prying eyes.
Get a throwaway gmail account. Barney the barney barney ( talk) 19:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, noticed your comment [4] at Talk:Acupuncture. Seen this? regards, Middle 8 ( talk) 09:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Roxy the Dog.
I was hoping we could have a discussion about the deletions you made of my addition to Integrative Medicine. I did start a section on the talk page, but you seem to have just made the deletions without adding to the discussion, so perhaps you didn't see it. Your comment was that I was citing my own article, but you neglected to take into account that it was still from a peer reviewed medical journal specifically on pain relief. I carefully thought through which topic I felt was missing from Integrative medicine and spoke on the subject. I believe that I was not introducing anything controversial, and only presenting carefully sourced information. May we please have a discussion before you make any further changes? Thanks CJ ( talk) 02:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Please read what the (previously and now) cited source says: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Osteopathy/Pages/Introduction.aspx
And I quote directly from the article from the section Does osteopathy work?
"There is good evidence that osteopathy is effective for the treatment of persistent lower back pain. The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommends it as a treatment for this condition. There is limited evidence to suggest it may be effective for some types of neck, shoulder or lower limb pain and recovery after hip or knee operations. There is no good evidence that osteopathy is effective as a treatment for health conditions unrelated to the musculoskeletal system (bones and muscles)." This fits exactly with what my edit said. You're right that I mistakenly hit minor edit (ever consider that perhaps it was an accident and assume good faith maybe ( Wikipedia:Assume good faith)? If you feel I deviated somehow from what the text says, let me know how exactly I did that and I will attempt to correct it, but I do not appreciate the COI and POV comment. That was entirely unnecessary. TylerDurden8823 ( talk) 07:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
If the claims in his article are covered in the text of the article, please add in-line citations backing up those (very incendiary) claims rather than removing the citation tags. Wikipedia's Biography of Living Persons policy does not allow uncited claims like these in articles. - Gloriamarie ( talk) 01:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Read policy (as on Talk:Acu or Talk:AltMed -- here). You're wrong. Objective standards exist; part of WP:FRINGE. -- Middle 8 ( talk) 20:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi roxy the dog,
About your insistence on the old version. 1. Namikoshi did not invent shiatsu, he developed a version of it. You are using Ernst opinions and citing his book of opinions but this is not the same as research denying its effectiveness. The history of shiatsu should be laid out. Then we should have a section for the criticism but your support of the one-sided and extreme position of one particular critic is not good for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankank ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Roxy, a quick message re Shiatsu. In the future please avoid edit warring unless it meets the exceptions (which this didn't). I'm mentioning this to you and Bobrayner because you continued the edit war well beyond 3RR (even though you didn't break 3RR yourself). In the future, report to [{WP:ANEW]] or WP:ANI and wait rather than edit warring. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 05:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Check the history of your recent revert of my edits, you reverted my removal of the section on the scam emails. Was that your intention? DES (talk) 17:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I have filed a complaint on the admin board regarding two fringe proponents causing trouble about parapsychological related articles. I would appreciate your opinion on the matter. Goblin Face ( talk) 15:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Tom Butler is being discussed at WP:AE. 76.107.171.90 ( talk) 00:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, a question re Wikipedia:Requests for comment/QuackGuru2: You endorsed jps' outside view, which said, among other things, that Wikipedia "would be better off if the two editors endorsing the RfC were banned from these topics" (said topics, I assume, being the areas where QG's conduct is indicted in the RfC; it's unclear). We've had some interaction relatively recently, but Iassume you must have reviewed my edits (and block log etc.), and those of Mallexikon (the other RfC endorser), or you wouldn't have endorsed such a strong statement. Apart from whatever objections you have to the RfC itself, can you explain why you believe Mallexikon and myself deserve to be topic-banned, and from which topics particularly? What have we done that's that bad? Maybe you can show me a couple diffs that are representative of whatever ongoing problems there are. I'd appreciate the feedback; I'm pretty sure Mallexikon would too! Thanks. -- Middle 8 ( leave me alone • talk to me • COI) 09:19, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Roxy the dog, you are well respected member, Probably impossible to understand by anyone, who lied to you so that you protect a misogynist RooshV who was named the most hated man in the world, part of extremist and hate group, who is on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s extremism report, a privilege usually reserved for neo-Nazis and terrorists
Maybe you should read more about him, before editing his page and removing important information about him.
Do you realize the effect that it has on your reputation, to support an extremist, mysoginist, have you even read his hateful works and the interviews for Washtington Times or Daily Dot magazines and what RooshV constantly promotes? Have you read his books and his articles and what Roosh constantly promotes? Do you realize the effect on your reputation to associate yourself with RooshV ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egirl90 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 22 March 2014 (UTC)