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16:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Let me deal with this first. We get a lot of editors here whose first language is not English, but edit articles as best they can, and we should assume good faith with these editors, because they are trying to improve Wikipedia. There is nothing to stop you keeping an article in your watchlist and correcting any obvious mistakes you see, both for language and verifiability. Remember that they see foreign television programmes in their own country, either dubbed or subtitled into their own language, and may edit on that basis. Don't feel afraid to tidy up language which appears to be barbaric; it probably isn't. Drop me a line if you have any particular concerns. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 01:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
That's alright about moving things around - I'm a newbie here so I prefer that someone experienced puts everything in the right place.
Are you saying that the notability guidlines prefer that individual episodes of a series are not given separate pages, but lumped together in one page eg 26 episodes of OAH all on the same one?? That's one hell of a long page. Why???? Is there some sort of memory restriction on the number of pages Wiki can handle? I don't understand the logic of this. (I see the FT page has been done like this, but I don't see the point of it. The summaries are far too short and not particularly useful IMHO. Gotta go, it's getting late - catch up with this tomorrow. Roses2at ( talk) 01:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Between the Lines Episode Guide. It's nothing to do with resources, considering the waste that occurs simply because of vandalism- every change to an article requires a new entry in at least one database table, and since Wikipedia never seems to discard any data due to the requirements of the GFDL, the thing just keeps on growing, ultimately beyond any rational control. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 02:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
A lot of newly-created articles do not initially have what it takes to make, eventually, a worthy article. This does not mean that they should be deleted straight away. For most new articles, the principal failure in my experience is that they do not state why their subject is notable; other reasons are that they are obvious nonsense, meant only to attack a living person, or are detected as a breach of somebody else's copyright, all of which are big no-no's on Wikipedia. However, when your articles were nominated for deletion, a tag would have been placed on them saying why; and you then get a chance to add the {{hangon}} tag and argue your case before the article is actually deleted. Without titles of your deleted articles, I cannot tell if there was any merit in them, because i am not an Admin and cannot view deleted pages. It is always open to you to ask any admin to undelete your article and copy it to your workspace (i.e. a sandbox in your user space) so you can get it up to a basic level of acceptance. Hope that helps, drop me a note if you need any more help. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 01:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, when I figure out how to do the deletion review thing I will. It seem to me that User:TTN has not put them into a parent article, because all the links in the main OAH page to these individual episodes are gone too.
It's just a bit upsetting for me who's only been an editing member for a few hours to have their work deleted. Could I hold the record for the shortest ever serving Wikipedia editor??
Roses2at ( talk) 02:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for putting all that work into the articles, and I'm sorry that your initial contributions to Wikipedia were redirected. It's always unfortunate when someone's first experience in editing Wikipedia is a disappointing one.
Maybe you know this already, but you can still view the versions of the articles that you edited. I put instructions how to do that in my reply to you here on the page Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 17:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration which involves you. Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#The_Television_Episodes_Edit_Wars. John254 02:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Roses2at ( talk) 20:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 23:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 21:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee, in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2, have voted to implement a temporary injunction. It can be viewed on the case page by following this link. The injunction is as follows:
For the duration of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction.
As noted in the text of the injunction, this restriction is in effect until the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2 case is officially closed by a clerk, following a successful motion to close by the arbitrators. Please note that, for the purposes of enforcement (c.f. the final line of the text of the injunction), all parties in this case at the time of this message ( link) have been notified of this injunction.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 02:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. TTN ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for six months from making any edit to an article or project page related to a television episode or character that substantially amounts to a merge, redirect, deletion, or request for any of the preceding, to be interpreted broadly. However, he is free to contribute on the talk pages or to comment on any AfD, RfD, DRV, or similar discussion initiated by another editor, as appropriate. Enforcement of this remedy is specified here.
Furthermore, the parties are instructed to cease engaging in editorial conflict and to work collaboratively to develop a generally accepted and applicable approach to the articles in question, and are warned that the Committee will look very unfavorably on anyone attempting to further spread or inflame this dispute. Please also note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on February 3 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 23:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Roses2at, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
discussion pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}}
before the question. Again, welcome! --
Iceglass (
talk)
16:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Let me deal with this first. We get a lot of editors here whose first language is not English, but edit articles as best they can, and we should assume good faith with these editors, because they are trying to improve Wikipedia. There is nothing to stop you keeping an article in your watchlist and correcting any obvious mistakes you see, both for language and verifiability. Remember that they see foreign television programmes in their own country, either dubbed or subtitled into their own language, and may edit on that basis. Don't feel afraid to tidy up language which appears to be barbaric; it probably isn't. Drop me a line if you have any particular concerns. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 01:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
That's alright about moving things around - I'm a newbie here so I prefer that someone experienced puts everything in the right place.
Are you saying that the notability guidlines prefer that individual episodes of a series are not given separate pages, but lumped together in one page eg 26 episodes of OAH all on the same one?? That's one hell of a long page. Why???? Is there some sort of memory restriction on the number of pages Wiki can handle? I don't understand the logic of this. (I see the FT page has been done like this, but I don't see the point of it. The summaries are far too short and not particularly useful IMHO. Gotta go, it's getting late - catch up with this tomorrow. Roses2at ( talk) 01:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Between the Lines Episode Guide. It's nothing to do with resources, considering the waste that occurs simply because of vandalism- every change to an article requires a new entry in at least one database table, and since Wikipedia never seems to discard any data due to the requirements of the GFDL, the thing just keeps on growing, ultimately beyond any rational control. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 02:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
A lot of newly-created articles do not initially have what it takes to make, eventually, a worthy article. This does not mean that they should be deleted straight away. For most new articles, the principal failure in my experience is that they do not state why their subject is notable; other reasons are that they are obvious nonsense, meant only to attack a living person, or are detected as a breach of somebody else's copyright, all of which are big no-no's on Wikipedia. However, when your articles were nominated for deletion, a tag would have been placed on them saying why; and you then get a chance to add the {{hangon}} tag and argue your case before the article is actually deleted. Without titles of your deleted articles, I cannot tell if there was any merit in them, because i am not an Admin and cannot view deleted pages. It is always open to you to ask any admin to undelete your article and copy it to your workspace (i.e. a sandbox in your user space) so you can get it up to a basic level of acceptance. Hope that helps, drop me a note if you need any more help. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 01:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, when I figure out how to do the deletion review thing I will. It seem to me that User:TTN has not put them into a parent article, because all the links in the main OAH page to these individual episodes are gone too.
It's just a bit upsetting for me who's only been an editing member for a few hours to have their work deleted. Could I hold the record for the shortest ever serving Wikipedia editor??
Roses2at ( talk) 02:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for putting all that work into the articles, and I'm sorry that your initial contributions to Wikipedia were redirected. It's always unfortunate when someone's first experience in editing Wikipedia is a disappointing one.
Maybe you know this already, but you can still view the versions of the articles that you edited. I put instructions how to do that in my reply to you here on the page Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 17:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I have filed a request for arbitration which involves you. Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#The_Television_Episodes_Edit_Wars. John254 02:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Roses2at ( talk) 20:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 23:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 21:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee, in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2, have voted to implement a temporary injunction. It can be viewed on the case page by following this link. The injunction is as follows:
For the duration of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction.
As noted in the text of the injunction, this restriction is in effect until the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2 case is officially closed by a clerk, following a successful motion to close by the arbitrators. Please note that, for the purposes of enforcement (c.f. the final line of the text of the injunction), all parties in this case at the time of this message ( link) have been notified of this injunction.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 02:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. TTN ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for six months from making any edit to an article or project page related to a television episode or character that substantially amounts to a merge, redirect, deletion, or request for any of the preceding, to be interpreted broadly. However, he is free to contribute on the talk pages or to comment on any AfD, RfD, DRV, or similar discussion initiated by another editor, as appropriate. Enforcement of this remedy is specified here.
Furthermore, the parties are instructed to cease engaging in editorial conflict and to work collaboratively to develop a generally accepted and applicable approach to the articles in question, and are warned that the Committee will look very unfavorably on anyone attempting to further spread or inflame this dispute. Please also note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on February 3 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 23:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)