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Hi R Prazeres, As I'm sure you know by now, I uploaded the first part of my revised page on VTb. I wanted to thank you, first for being so supportive, two years ago, of my suggestion to split Hammam into two. And second because I have tried to use your Hammam page as a structural model and hope I have not moved too far away.
But I also owe you an apology for not first sending you my comment on the Hammam Disambiguation Talk page. Quite apart from the fact (as was gently pointed out to me) that I had misunderstood the purpose of a disambiguation page, it was a lack of courtesy which I had not intended. Ishpoloni ( talk) 12:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello again. I'm not really sure whether the following should be on the Turkish baths (Disambiguation) page, or here on your page, so I've copied it to both, I'm afraid. It's my belated reply to your note on the former:
It's very unusual for me to take ten days to reply to something, but in this case I've had to think through my problem carefully and learn a bit more about Wikipedia, and I've finally realised that I asked the wrong question before. So let me start over by stating the problem.
Anyone familiar with hammams will tend to look up hammam(s) in any dictionary or encyclopaedia, so they have no problem. Similarly, anyone familiar with Victorian Turkish baths will also have no problem. The ones with problems are those unfamiliar with these terms who wish to find out about one or other of them. Currently, if a searcher enters Turkish bath(s) s/he is willy-nilly redirected to Hammam. Fine if that is what is wanted, but not if it's Vtb that's wanted because s/he is still directed only to Hammam, without even a 'See also:' reference. But what is needed is a reference to both options so either one (or even both) can be chosen. You write " If someone is searching Turkish baths, it will currently lead them to Hammam, the assumed primary topic…" But while this might be so for the Islamic world, it is not necessarily so for those in the so-called Western world. Most of those wanting information about hammams will easily find it, those searching for the western or Victorian type will get nowhere. There is not even a 'See also:' reference to it at the end of the Hammam page, only a Main article link reached after reading more than half the Hammam page. (There is one to Hammam at the bottom of the VTb page!) Given the comprehensive revision of the VTb page, I see only two choices, not a primary one alone. Otherwise there seems little point in providing a VTb page which few are directed to. This seems to be borne out by a wiki guidance note which says "If no primary topic exists, then the term should be the title of a disambiguation page (or should redirect to a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated)." So to conclude (you will be pleased to see!) I suggest that the redirect from Turkish bath(s) to Hammam be removed and replaced by (the guidance note's second option), a redirect page straight to "a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated", ie, to Turkish bath (Disambiguation). This should enable searchers easily to make a choice of either of the two main general articles (plus all the smaller more specific ones) or both. Hammam (disambiguation) seems to serve its purpose perfectly. However, I wonder whether it might be clearer if one changed: "A hammam, or Turkish bath, is a type of steam bath…" into: "A hammam (often known in the West as a Turkish bath) is a type of steam bath…" though if I wasn't afraid of pushing my beginner's luck, I'd much prefer: "A hammam (often inaccurately known in the West as a Turkish bath) is a type of steam bath…" All the best Ishpoloni ( talk) 09:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi R Prazeres, Help! I'm submerged! I've just seen [ [1]] and don't understand anything apart from the first three red sidelined paras. Do I need to do anything in response, ie, with regard to the 'good-faith creator' bit? I've realized that this is the page now reached on searching for 'Turkish bath' in place of 'Hammam', but searching for the plural 'Turkish baths' still redirects to 'Hammam'. Is this correct? Best wishes. Ishpoloni ( talk) 08:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi R Prazeres, you may recall that I posted on your talk page regarding my concerns about user LaGuairabeach being a sockpuppet of indefinitely blocked editor Vvven, the prolific editor who added tons of copyvio all across WP under that username and several others, not to mention various IPs. Well, my suspicions were correct, as you can see by this investigation. This guy Vvven was (is) a huge pain in the ass, and I've wasted many hours trying to repair damage done by him. I have no doubt that he'll be back, considering his editing history, if he isn't already. I wanted to alert you that if you come across new, poorly written content in articles relating to Spanish history that appear to be modified machine translations of Spanish text, there's a possibility it was his work. Carlstak ( talk) 14:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello! it's been a while since I talk to someone here, so I'm unsure how the notifications work. I left you a message on the talk page of the mosque regarding our recent edits. Thanks! Fernando 12:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Greetings, I wanted to apologize for my hasty removal of content. You are completly right that the paragraph is much more than that. I was not paying enough attention.
best regards VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 23:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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For your persistent, tireless, and not very enjoyable efforts in keeping articles free from highly active and disruptive sockpuppets, please accept this small token of respect. Constantine ✍ 18:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC) |
Hello R Prazeres! Wikipedia:The Core Contest is now over, so please feel free to edit Turkey#Architecture. I didn't have time to work on architecture during the context. Bogazicili ( talk) 18:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi RP. Really minor stuff, I enjoy and respect too much your contributions to mention it elsewhere & other than briefly.
I only have my cellphone to go online from for now. Adding an interval before long words helps keep the outlook balanced. Doesn't harm others, helps phone editors, so please kindly leave them there.
URLs disrupt the ref details, are for the machine, not the human. I consider that they, along with the ISBN and other numerical IDs, belong at the very end, only followed by the access date if at all. Author, title, page etc. are for the human editor, who looks them up and works with them. So here too, re-placing them more to the front helps no-one.
Quotation marks for the ref name serve no purpose if the ref name is one "word" (no spaces). They're just ballast, as are long & detailed ref names.
I'm happy to yield to better counter-arguments, but if it's just about preserving old habits - I'm constantly changing mine once I learn about better ways, so no.
Wiki is for the user, rules are subject to constant improvements (slower than I'd like them to, but they are). If respecting a rule is sometimes a disservice to the user, I'll happily ignore it. Anything else would be Bismarckian militarised bureaucracy, which led to nasty outcomes in far too many respects :)
Thank you and keep up the good work! Arminden ( talk) 06:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I quoted the exact text from the source:
In objective point of view, apart from wooden material context of the Dome of the Rock, its well-designed proportion and primary pointed form became consequently a design model for the construction of pointed domes, such as Muntasir mausoleum or Qubbat al-Sulaybiyya (862 AD) at Samarra in Iraq which was later erected as the second earliest sample of the pointed domes
Hu741f4 ( talk) 07:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello Prazers, i found some edits from you in some articles; can i ask you why? Those structures have algerian style which is a comnination of heritage from ancient times and islamic influence; i don't think is right to define it like a nationalistic matter as this is frequently used in wikis like italian, french, spanish, moroccan style ectera. Lord Ruffy98 ( talk) 19:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hi R Prazeres, As I'm sure you know by now, I uploaded the first part of my revised page on VTb. I wanted to thank you, first for being so supportive, two years ago, of my suggestion to split Hammam into two. And second because I have tried to use your Hammam page as a structural model and hope I have not moved too far away.
But I also owe you an apology for not first sending you my comment on the Hammam Disambiguation Talk page. Quite apart from the fact (as was gently pointed out to me) that I had misunderstood the purpose of a disambiguation page, it was a lack of courtesy which I had not intended. Ishpoloni ( talk) 12:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello again. I'm not really sure whether the following should be on the Turkish baths (Disambiguation) page, or here on your page, so I've copied it to both, I'm afraid. It's my belated reply to your note on the former:
It's very unusual for me to take ten days to reply to something, but in this case I've had to think through my problem carefully and learn a bit more about Wikipedia, and I've finally realised that I asked the wrong question before. So let me start over by stating the problem.
Anyone familiar with hammams will tend to look up hammam(s) in any dictionary or encyclopaedia, so they have no problem. Similarly, anyone familiar with Victorian Turkish baths will also have no problem. The ones with problems are those unfamiliar with these terms who wish to find out about one or other of them. Currently, if a searcher enters Turkish bath(s) s/he is willy-nilly redirected to Hammam. Fine if that is what is wanted, but not if it's Vtb that's wanted because s/he is still directed only to Hammam, without even a 'See also:' reference. But what is needed is a reference to both options so either one (or even both) can be chosen. You write " If someone is searching Turkish baths, it will currently lead them to Hammam, the assumed primary topic…" But while this might be so for the Islamic world, it is not necessarily so for those in the so-called Western world. Most of those wanting information about hammams will easily find it, those searching for the western or Victorian type will get nowhere. There is not even a 'See also:' reference to it at the end of the Hammam page, only a Main article link reached after reading more than half the Hammam page. (There is one to Hammam at the bottom of the VTb page!) Given the comprehensive revision of the VTb page, I see only two choices, not a primary one alone. Otherwise there seems little point in providing a VTb page which few are directed to. This seems to be borne out by a wiki guidance note which says "If no primary topic exists, then the term should be the title of a disambiguation page (or should redirect to a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated)." So to conclude (you will be pleased to see!) I suggest that the redirect from Turkish bath(s) to Hammam be removed and replaced by (the guidance note's second option), a redirect page straight to "a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated", ie, to Turkish bath (Disambiguation). This should enable searchers easily to make a choice of either of the two main general articles (plus all the smaller more specific ones) or both. Hammam (disambiguation) seems to serve its purpose perfectly. However, I wonder whether it might be clearer if one changed: "A hammam, or Turkish bath, is a type of steam bath…" into: "A hammam (often known in the West as a Turkish bath) is a type of steam bath…" though if I wasn't afraid of pushing my beginner's luck, I'd much prefer: "A hammam (often inaccurately known in the West as a Turkish bath) is a type of steam bath…" All the best Ishpoloni ( talk) 09:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi R Prazeres, Help! I'm submerged! I've just seen [ [1]] and don't understand anything apart from the first three red sidelined paras. Do I need to do anything in response, ie, with regard to the 'good-faith creator' bit? I've realized that this is the page now reached on searching for 'Turkish bath' in place of 'Hammam', but searching for the plural 'Turkish baths' still redirects to 'Hammam'. Is this correct? Best wishes. Ishpoloni ( talk) 08:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi R Prazeres, you may recall that I posted on your talk page regarding my concerns about user LaGuairabeach being a sockpuppet of indefinitely blocked editor Vvven, the prolific editor who added tons of copyvio all across WP under that username and several others, not to mention various IPs. Well, my suspicions were correct, as you can see by this investigation. This guy Vvven was (is) a huge pain in the ass, and I've wasted many hours trying to repair damage done by him. I have no doubt that he'll be back, considering his editing history, if he isn't already. I wanted to alert you that if you come across new, poorly written content in articles relating to Spanish history that appear to be modified machine translations of Spanish text, there's a possibility it was his work. Carlstak ( talk) 14:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello! it's been a while since I talk to someone here, so I'm unsure how the notifications work. I left you a message on the talk page of the mosque regarding our recent edits. Thanks! Fernando 12:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Greetings, I wanted to apologize for my hasty removal of content. You are completly right that the paragraph is much more than that. I was not paying enough attention.
best regards VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 23:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
The Checkuser's Barnstar | ||
For your persistent, tireless, and not very enjoyable efforts in keeping articles free from highly active and disruptive sockpuppets, please accept this small token of respect. Constantine ✍ 18:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC) |
Hello R Prazeres! Wikipedia:The Core Contest is now over, so please feel free to edit Turkey#Architecture. I didn't have time to work on architecture during the context. Bogazicili ( talk) 18:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi RP. Really minor stuff, I enjoy and respect too much your contributions to mention it elsewhere & other than briefly.
I only have my cellphone to go online from for now. Adding an interval before long words helps keep the outlook balanced. Doesn't harm others, helps phone editors, so please kindly leave them there.
URLs disrupt the ref details, are for the machine, not the human. I consider that they, along with the ISBN and other numerical IDs, belong at the very end, only followed by the access date if at all. Author, title, page etc. are for the human editor, who looks them up and works with them. So here too, re-placing them more to the front helps no-one.
Quotation marks for the ref name serve no purpose if the ref name is one "word" (no spaces). They're just ballast, as are long & detailed ref names.
I'm happy to yield to better counter-arguments, but if it's just about preserving old habits - I'm constantly changing mine once I learn about better ways, so no.
Wiki is for the user, rules are subject to constant improvements (slower than I'd like them to, but they are). If respecting a rule is sometimes a disservice to the user, I'll happily ignore it. Anything else would be Bismarckian militarised bureaucracy, which led to nasty outcomes in far too many respects :)
Thank you and keep up the good work! Arminden ( talk) 06:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I quoted the exact text from the source:
In objective point of view, apart from wooden material context of the Dome of the Rock, its well-designed proportion and primary pointed form became consequently a design model for the construction of pointed domes, such as Muntasir mausoleum or Qubbat al-Sulaybiyya (862 AD) at Samarra in Iraq which was later erected as the second earliest sample of the pointed domes
Hu741f4 ( talk) 07:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello Prazers, i found some edits from you in some articles; can i ask you why? Those structures have algerian style which is a comnination of heritage from ancient times and islamic influence; i don't think is right to define it like a nationalistic matter as this is frequently used in wikis like italian, french, spanish, moroccan style ectera. Lord Ruffy98 ( talk) 19:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)