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Hi you left a comment here Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Use_of_Flags_for_twinning_.2F_sister_cities but it appears incomplete can you have a look Gnevin ( talk) 00:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Richard, I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be any consistency in the flag icon/country naming of UK countries for Twin Towns, or Sister Cities. Do you know where the Wikipedia policy is? I haven't been able to find it. Daicaregos ( talk) 08:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Careful with the edit warring, Richard. Getting blocked for it would only stop you participating in the discussion. Jack 1314 ( talk) 21:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
A member of the WP:EAR team has addressed your enquiry at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Clarification request for definition of countries. If the issues/problems persist, please consider either raising a WP:Request for Comment or making use of one of the WP:dispute resolution departments.-- Kudpung ( talk)
Good evening/Bonsoir!
I left a question for you on the famous talk page and I'm afraid it gets a bit lost in all the mess. You referred several times to E/S/W/NI as legally defined as countries. Can you please refer me to the text of law which defines them as such? (by that I mean something more precise than membership in organisations such as the IOC or the FIFA, or the website presentations provided). In the absence of a written constitution for the UK I don't know where to look for such a definition. It is really a good-faith question for my personal curiosity, I'm willing to take any answer you may have. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up, Richard. If you quote another "editor", whether or not they contribute any actual content and no matter how charmless, ignorant, rude or provocative the rants, quoting the "diffs" is considered to be the thing to do. This is to enable other editors to check that they haven't just been made up. Some of those quoted would be rather hard to believe, to be fair. Unless you knew the person concerned, of course. Best, Daicaregos ( talk) 23:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
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Sorry, I don't suppose there is any reason you should know. A "diff" is the edit's url from the article history. e.g.
this is the diff of my edit in this section. Go to the article's history tab. Select the "prev" of the relevant edit and copy the url. If you have any problems with it, let me know the article, and the date/time of the edit and I'll do it for you so you can see.
Daicaregos (
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00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. The requested move on List of European countries and territories is about to close and you are currently the only person oppose the move. I hope we can get complete consensus on this before we do it. After discussing your opposition, will you now support the move or do you still have reasons to oppose it. Currently, all that is being proposed is that the title be changed, not the content. McLerristarr (Mclay1) ( talk) 14:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Re [1] – For your information: WP:MOSICON#Use of flags for non-sovereign states and nations. Hans Adler 17:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The infobox which you are changing is a template maintained by WP:WikiProject Formula One. Consensus there - after extensive discussion - is that the rule of thumb is not applicable to Formula One, representative nationality being an intrinsic part. If you are set on changing them all, have a look at List of Formula One drivers - you'd better set aside a week or so for the task! -- Ian Dalziel ( talk) 12:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Please do not change the shard back to England. It has said UK on it for a long time. As I can see that you don't like the UK but many people regard the Shard is in the UK.
Willrocks10 ( talk) 12:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Thanks for your comment - my main aim was to take the flagicon out of the info box as per Wiki policy, please refer to WP:MOSICON, notably the section which states.
"Avoid flag icons in infoboxes Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many."
I see you've added it back in, why?
Quite frankly, I didn't know how to put it to you, but here goes!
"tens of thousands" means anywhere between 10,000 and 90,000 thousand. There is a very big difference between ten thousand and 90,000. Nearly 10,000 people fitted inside the Royal Albert Hall, until they moved some of the seats out.
In other words, the person who said that, (and twitted on inanely about other things as one would expect) was not making an "estimate": she was merely using a big number. She might as well have said "millions"; it would have been just about as accurate. Your second source had borrowed directly from the first one. Neither were "estimates". Neither stated that they were estimates.
No-one can be silly enough to "estimate" that there were "tens of thousands of people" because it is meaningless. I thought I made the point clearly enough in the edit summary, but obviously I didn't. Amandajm ( talk) 13:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted it because it plainly isn't a proper estimate. It is a very loose number.
Actually, I'm going to pop in here, because I read the tens of thousands too, and considered that it was flawed. WP:NPOV requires in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint, and I think that that is the key there.
The simple fact is that the term "tens of thousands" is used in a small number of articles whereas a million is used in a large number of articles. It therefore would seem (to me) that you are picking and choosing your sources to support your own personal political views.
The CNN article which you quoted also cited 20,000 people on the river itself (ie, in the boats) which is 2 out of your tens of thousands already. These people were scattered into craft. Your argument with relation to the calculation of the "length of a million people" is a straw man. It frankly doesn't hold up against that number alone.
But hang on there. There were 10,000 people who went to the Buckingham Palace garden party. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jun/06/queen-s-diamond-jubilee-in-numbers
So, if we're in the "low hundreds of thousands" say 300,000 a full 10% would either have had tickets to the palace OR been on the river itself. I should know quite a few people, who had that opportunity then!
The MET Police state that there were 1.5 million. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/04/diamond-jubilee-celebrations-success-police
It should be noted that the Notting Hill Carnival does around 1 mil over 2 days, with around 800,000 on the biggest day. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notting_Hill_Carnival http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/aug/29/notting-hill-carnival-revellers-police
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Hi you left a comment here Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Use_of_Flags_for_twinning_.2F_sister_cities but it appears incomplete can you have a look Gnevin ( talk) 00:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Richard, I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be any consistency in the flag icon/country naming of UK countries for Twin Towns, or Sister Cities. Do you know where the Wikipedia policy is? I haven't been able to find it. Daicaregos ( talk) 08:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Careful with the edit warring, Richard. Getting blocked for it would only stop you participating in the discussion. Jack 1314 ( talk) 21:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
A member of the WP:EAR team has addressed your enquiry at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Clarification request for definition of countries. If the issues/problems persist, please consider either raising a WP:Request for Comment or making use of one of the WP:dispute resolution departments.-- Kudpung ( talk)
Good evening/Bonsoir!
I left a question for you on the famous talk page and I'm afraid it gets a bit lost in all the mess. You referred several times to E/S/W/NI as legally defined as countries. Can you please refer me to the text of law which defines them as such? (by that I mean something more precise than membership in organisations such as the IOC or the FIFA, or the website presentations provided). In the absence of a written constitution for the UK I don't know where to look for such a definition. It is really a good-faith question for my personal curiosity, I'm willing to take any answer you may have. Place Clichy ( talk) 18:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up, Richard. If you quote another "editor", whether or not they contribute any actual content and no matter how charmless, ignorant, rude or provocative the rants, quoting the "diffs" is considered to be the thing to do. This is to enable other editors to check that they haven't just been made up. Some of those quoted would be rather hard to believe, to be fair. Unless you knew the person concerned, of course. Best, Daicaregos ( talk) 23:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
(
edit conflict):::I quite understand your frustration, believe me.
Sorry, I don't suppose there is any reason you should know. A "diff" is the edit's url from the article history. e.g.
this is the diff of my edit in this section. Go to the article's history tab. Select the "prev" of the relevant edit and copy the url. If you have any problems with it, let me know the article, and the date/time of the edit and I'll do it for you so you can see.
Daicaregos (
talk)
00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello. The requested move on List of European countries and territories is about to close and you are currently the only person oppose the move. I hope we can get complete consensus on this before we do it. After discussing your opposition, will you now support the move or do you still have reasons to oppose it. Currently, all that is being proposed is that the title be changed, not the content. McLerristarr (Mclay1) ( talk) 14:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Re [1] – For your information: WP:MOSICON#Use of flags for non-sovereign states and nations. Hans Adler 17:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The infobox which you are changing is a template maintained by WP:WikiProject Formula One. Consensus there - after extensive discussion - is that the rule of thumb is not applicable to Formula One, representative nationality being an intrinsic part. If you are set on changing them all, have a look at List of Formula One drivers - you'd better set aside a week or so for the task! -- Ian Dalziel ( talk) 12:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Please do not change the shard back to England. It has said UK on it for a long time. As I can see that you don't like the UK but many people regard the Shard is in the UK.
Willrocks10 ( talk) 12:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Thanks for your comment - my main aim was to take the flagicon out of the info box as per Wiki policy, please refer to WP:MOSICON, notably the section which states.
"Avoid flag icons in infoboxes Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many."
I see you've added it back in, why?
Quite frankly, I didn't know how to put it to you, but here goes!
"tens of thousands" means anywhere between 10,000 and 90,000 thousand. There is a very big difference between ten thousand and 90,000. Nearly 10,000 people fitted inside the Royal Albert Hall, until they moved some of the seats out.
In other words, the person who said that, (and twitted on inanely about other things as one would expect) was not making an "estimate": she was merely using a big number. She might as well have said "millions"; it would have been just about as accurate. Your second source had borrowed directly from the first one. Neither were "estimates". Neither stated that they were estimates.
No-one can be silly enough to "estimate" that there were "tens of thousands of people" because it is meaningless. I thought I made the point clearly enough in the edit summary, but obviously I didn't. Amandajm ( talk) 13:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted it because it plainly isn't a proper estimate. It is a very loose number.
Actually, I'm going to pop in here, because I read the tens of thousands too, and considered that it was flawed. WP:NPOV requires in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint, and I think that that is the key there.
The simple fact is that the term "tens of thousands" is used in a small number of articles whereas a million is used in a large number of articles. It therefore would seem (to me) that you are picking and choosing your sources to support your own personal political views.
The CNN article which you quoted also cited 20,000 people on the river itself (ie, in the boats) which is 2 out of your tens of thousands already. These people were scattered into craft. Your argument with relation to the calculation of the "length of a million people" is a straw man. It frankly doesn't hold up against that number alone.
But hang on there. There were 10,000 people who went to the Buckingham Palace garden party. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jun/06/queen-s-diamond-jubilee-in-numbers
So, if we're in the "low hundreds of thousands" say 300,000 a full 10% would either have had tickets to the palace OR been on the river itself. I should know quite a few people, who had that opportunity then!
The MET Police state that there were 1.5 million. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/04/diamond-jubilee-celebrations-success-police
It should be noted that the Notting Hill Carnival does around 1 mil over 2 days, with around 800,000 on the biggest day. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notting_Hill_Carnival http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/aug/29/notting-hill-carnival-revellers-police
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