No, the ignore box isn't ticked. I have {{User jedi}} under the Find column.-- Andeh 15:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I consider your appropriation of the template User medieval spherical earth into your own personal user space to be arrogant and vandalism. Your claim that this reflects the German userbox solution is patently false. The GUBS says:
There were no controversies arising from the Medieval Spherical Earth template. I don't know what your motive is but I notice from looking at your userspace that you have appropriated a large number of other non-controversial templates into you personal userspace where they cannot be found by people who may wish to use them. Further, as I see the etiquete of Wikipedia, it would be an intrusion into your personal space for anyone but you to edit them.
Further when templates are moved the GUBS says:
You did not keep the redirect but instead created a link to a different template advertising the German Userbox Solution.
I request that you revert this vandalism immediately. -- SteveMcCluskey 23:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi SteveMcCluskey,
Obviously, we have different viewpoints on WP:GUS. My action to userfy user medieval spherical earth was neither arrogant nor vandalism. This box was in the "science and religion" section of Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion, which was deleted. [1]. When I found someone had listed it, along with a series of similar boxes at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion#Science and religion, I moved it as one of many boxes under the "controversial" religion topic. Keep in mind, even boxes like {{ User:UBX/male}}, User:Xoloz/UBX/User Vegetarian, User:Ashley Y/Userbox/Christian, and User:Michaelphill/Userboxes/HondaCivics have been moved to userspace, showing the definition of "controversy" is not clear cut.
As far as finding boxes, everything listed at User:Rfrisbie/Userbox is included in User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes, which is referenced at the main userspace catalog, User:GRBerry/Userbox migration and navigation template User:UBX/Userboxes/General Nav. These are the main avenues for finding boxes moved due to and listed at WP:GUS.
As far as etiquette goes, Ownership and editing of pages in the user space clearly, states, "As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community..." (empahsis added) I also explicitly welcome others to edit my usebox pages, e.g., "You are welcome to add and edit userboxes as subpages here, as long as you honor all applicable policies and guidelines." ( User:Rfrisbie/Userbox) and "You are welcome to edit any of these directory pages, as long as you honor all applicable policies and guidelines." ( User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes)
As far as the move process goes, I used the procedure as it is emerging at Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. The template, Template:User GUS UBX to, has been used on thousands of user pages as a tool to manage the userbox migration process.
By now I'm sure you know I will not be reverting this move. Of course, you always have the option to do this yourself, or even move the box to your own userspace. In any event, thank you for your sincere feedback. Regards, Rfrisbie talk 02:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rfrisbie,
I had glanced at the great userbox debate a while back, and as I read it then the consensus was that it was alright for a person to create a userbox template in template space (as long as it was labled as a userbox), or in his own user space.
The agenda which you and your colleagues have been pushing, despite a lack of consensus on the Wikipedia:May Userbox policy poll, is to create a single catalogue of userboxes in user space. The rejected policy would, at least, have had the merit of creating a single userbox subspace within user space; your ad hoc implementation is scattering userboxes all over the individual userboxes of users who take it upon themselves to fundamentally privatize what had previously been a shared common resource.
I still note that your use of the template Template:User GUS UBX to ignored the point of the discussion in WP:GUS that "Redirections shouldn't be deleted if they are still in use (unbypassed). <<When they become orphaned, remove them.>>" This template was still in use, and apparently your application of the Template:User GUS UBX to was done at the same time as the move, with no effor to maintain the redirects. I note that in your list of recent edits you seem to be manually bypassing the redirects rather than just leaving Template:User GUS UBX to; this seems to be an improvement.
Personally, I don't consider your action worth wasting any more of my time over. We've got an encyclopedia to write -- and I suggest you get on with writing it too. -- SteveMcCluskey 13:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you edited my UserPage with this summary:
Bypassing redirects. See WP:GUS, Replaced: User zodiac:Virgo → User:Rfrisbie/Userbox/Zodiac:Virgo, using AWB
Now I don't mind, but I was just curious as to what the German userbox solution was. I read the article for WP:GUS, but I'm still not sure exactly what it means.
Thanks! -- Thrashmeister 14:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay...I have fixed the table, substr the ones I found that were not, and removed a user template category. Now, you might want to remove all the Wikipedian categories, just to keep those listings clear. Keep the main media page in the Wikipedian categories, but this page really doesn't need to be in those categories in my humble opinion. Some of those substr made the page HUGE! All of the code from some userboxes was substr again and again. Especially the ones with the #switch: function. Hope this helped. - LA @ 22:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry about ruining the test, although, as you said, it didn't look promising. :) -- Joe Sewell 16:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
This template is protected as a high-risk template, in that it is transcluded on thousands of pages. It would be an attractive target for a big penis picture, etc. While I agree that Cyde certainly has a POV regarding userboxes, I do as well (quite an opposite one of Cyde's at that!). This usage update does seem to be inline with the way WP:GUS is running now, and helps to reinforce that GUS'ing a box should be done via MOVE as opposed to copy-and-paste (so as to preserve the edit history). Changes to this template should be discussed on it's talk page. If you want to change something, list it there, and if no opposes (assuming it's not radical) ping me and I'll put it in for you. — xaosflux Talk 02:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm rerunning without that setting enabled (it's AWB). alphaChimp laudare 00:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Ooops, ok I will move then instead of replacing them from here on out. Well still the end result was the same. Æon Insane Ward 22:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this ( User talk:Aeon1006#GUS moves) and decide how to proceed? Thanks. Rfrisbie talk 23:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that the zodiac templates have all been moved. Is it time to call Cyde? — Mi ra 00:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I like this one, it's very clean and neat. — Mi ra 02:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Since you appear to have taken over the religion user boxes, could you add my Unity Church userbox to your page. Also, the no body mofication one, since the whole beliefs page is gone. I want people t see they exist, since my user page probably isn't seeing much traffic. Scottandrewhutchins 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The person that I keep getting to on Wikipedia lives in the same town as me(if you do live in WL) Earth KING (Talk) 23:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 23:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I just guessed by the link to Purdue. Earth KING (Talk) 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a random thought that found me while I was on your page: What if there was a user created called "box," and all userboxes were subpages of that 'user'? Technically they would be in userspace, but would be easier to figure out for people trying to use them. I'm just thinking, it's hard to remember to type in {{User:Rfrisbie/cat lover}} for one and {{User:Pumpkin/dog lover}} for the next, but it would be a lot easier if they were all under {{User:box/(templatename)}}
Sorry for rambling, I'm trying to write it down while I still remember.
I've been creating userboxes for the Ancient Egypt WikiProject, and I created them as templates before I remembered they were supposed to be in userspace. Off I go move them now (grumble)... — Editor at Large ( talk) 20:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
That User:Boxes idea is a good one, IMHO. Lots of people have tried it with different "proxy" names, but admins keep on blocking and/or deleting them. For some reason, they just don't want to let that happen. I've never really followed their logic behind it either. I believe WikiProject boxes as project subpages are very safe where they are. (I just made one today myself.) Established ones in template space are quite safe too. Probably "one" new one in template space would pass Cyde's gate. I wouldn't bother moving project boxes until they get into trouble. However, I would put a backup somewhere in your user space. Rfrisbie talk 01:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I was going through and cleaning this out, and I wondered if "your" pages should really be in this category. I went through and removed the other user space pages, but I wanted to ask you about it first because you have so many and they're the closest thing we have to an "official" user space archive. Let me know what you think. — Mi ra 21:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 23:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
— Mi ra 00:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
My part's done. How's yours coming along? Rfrisbie talk 02:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Make it so! Rfrisbie talk 02:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 03:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 03:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't know how to explain it exactly, so here's just the code for everything:
<div style="width: 250px; font-size: 96%; float: right; margin-left: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #8FBC8F; padding: 4px; border: 1px solid #3D9140; -moz-border-radius-topright: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px;">
<div style="background: #E0EEE0; padding: 1px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 4px;">status: {{User:Sango123/Status}}</div>
<div style="height: 400px; width: 250px; overflow: auto;">__TOC__</div></div></nowiki>
You can adjust it for your own use if you'd like. I love what you've done with your userspace, by the way. :) Sango 123 03:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll play around with it and ask for your help if I goof it up too much. So, where do you "hide" this code, if you don't mind sharing. I couldn't find it. By the way, if you haven't noticed, I like your designs so much I linked a lot of your layouts on my resources page so I could "borrow" some of that cool stuff. Rfrisbie talk 03:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 05:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your resources page already and thought I saw a pattern in your design choices. And I hide my code in transcluded subpages to make it harder to find and "borrow". Cheers, Sango 123 21:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
(yes, I know how to find all of them ) so I thought they might be in your css somewhere. Anyway, it looks great! Now...I think you should lend your talents to fixing up the yucky color schemes at the Categorical index, etc., that use the reference page header! Thanks again! Rfrisbie talk 21:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 15:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rfrisbie. Interesting WikiProject you've got there. Concerning your request for information for how the bot operates, there's some detailed instructions here at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot. If you need any further help tweaking your WikiProject feel free to throw me a request for assistance. -- Longhair 09:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw one example, but I couldn't see how it worked. I'll look at your examples later today. Thanks again. Rfrisbie talk 14:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 02:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 05:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Super-intelligent! I for one, welcome our new chromatic overlords...
Someone even complained within minutes of my adding it! *eyeroll*. -- Quiddity 20:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
would you mind adding userboxes to your collection for scotch whisky, and specifically Highland Park Single Malt? -- Ted-m 02:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to create some userboxes for the Chinese elements, but I can't get the categories to work. Could you take a look at User:Jor/Element:Earth and maybe explain why my userpage doesn't show up in Category:Earth element Wikipedians after adding it to the page? I copied the markup from your zodiac boxes and don't see where my error is. -- Jordi· ✆ 10:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Regards, Rfrisbie talk 12:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
You don't know how happy I am that someone has finally taken an intrest of some kind in that article. I listed it at requests for expansion some time ago (July 5). Maybe now that it has been assessed someone will expand it. ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk / Contribs) 18:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I just added the assessment template, so I thought I'd help with some quick sorting. Unfortunately, I doubt I can add much to the article itself. But like you said, maybe this will perk up more interest in it. Regards, Rfrisbie talk 19:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
No, the ignore box isn't ticked. I have {{User jedi}} under the Find column.-- Andeh 15:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I consider your appropriation of the template User medieval spherical earth into your own personal user space to be arrogant and vandalism. Your claim that this reflects the German userbox solution is patently false. The GUBS says:
There were no controversies arising from the Medieval Spherical Earth template. I don't know what your motive is but I notice from looking at your userspace that you have appropriated a large number of other non-controversial templates into you personal userspace where they cannot be found by people who may wish to use them. Further, as I see the etiquete of Wikipedia, it would be an intrusion into your personal space for anyone but you to edit them.
Further when templates are moved the GUBS says:
You did not keep the redirect but instead created a link to a different template advertising the German Userbox Solution.
I request that you revert this vandalism immediately. -- SteveMcCluskey 23:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi SteveMcCluskey,
Obviously, we have different viewpoints on WP:GUS. My action to userfy user medieval spherical earth was neither arrogant nor vandalism. This box was in the "science and religion" section of Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion, which was deleted. [1]. When I found someone had listed it, along with a series of similar boxes at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion#Science and religion, I moved it as one of many boxes under the "controversial" religion topic. Keep in mind, even boxes like {{ User:UBX/male}}, User:Xoloz/UBX/User Vegetarian, User:Ashley Y/Userbox/Christian, and User:Michaelphill/Userboxes/HondaCivics have been moved to userspace, showing the definition of "controversy" is not clear cut.
As far as finding boxes, everything listed at User:Rfrisbie/Userbox is included in User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes, which is referenced at the main userspace catalog, User:GRBerry/Userbox migration and navigation template User:UBX/Userboxes/General Nav. These are the main avenues for finding boxes moved due to and listed at WP:GUS.
As far as etiquette goes, Ownership and editing of pages in the user space clearly, states, "As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community..." (empahsis added) I also explicitly welcome others to edit my usebox pages, e.g., "You are welcome to add and edit userboxes as subpages here, as long as you honor all applicable policies and guidelines." ( User:Rfrisbie/Userbox) and "You are welcome to edit any of these directory pages, as long as you honor all applicable policies and guidelines." ( User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes)
As far as the move process goes, I used the procedure as it is emerging at Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. The template, Template:User GUS UBX to, has been used on thousands of user pages as a tool to manage the userbox migration process.
By now I'm sure you know I will not be reverting this move. Of course, you always have the option to do this yourself, or even move the box to your own userspace. In any event, thank you for your sincere feedback. Regards, Rfrisbie talk 02:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rfrisbie,
I had glanced at the great userbox debate a while back, and as I read it then the consensus was that it was alright for a person to create a userbox template in template space (as long as it was labled as a userbox), or in his own user space.
The agenda which you and your colleagues have been pushing, despite a lack of consensus on the Wikipedia:May Userbox policy poll, is to create a single catalogue of userboxes in user space. The rejected policy would, at least, have had the merit of creating a single userbox subspace within user space; your ad hoc implementation is scattering userboxes all over the individual userboxes of users who take it upon themselves to fundamentally privatize what had previously been a shared common resource.
I still note that your use of the template Template:User GUS UBX to ignored the point of the discussion in WP:GUS that "Redirections shouldn't be deleted if they are still in use (unbypassed). <<When they become orphaned, remove them.>>" This template was still in use, and apparently your application of the Template:User GUS UBX to was done at the same time as the move, with no effor to maintain the redirects. I note that in your list of recent edits you seem to be manually bypassing the redirects rather than just leaving Template:User GUS UBX to; this seems to be an improvement.
Personally, I don't consider your action worth wasting any more of my time over. We've got an encyclopedia to write -- and I suggest you get on with writing it too. -- SteveMcCluskey 13:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you edited my UserPage with this summary:
Bypassing redirects. See WP:GUS, Replaced: User zodiac:Virgo → User:Rfrisbie/Userbox/Zodiac:Virgo, using AWB
Now I don't mind, but I was just curious as to what the German userbox solution was. I read the article for WP:GUS, but I'm still not sure exactly what it means.
Thanks! -- Thrashmeister 14:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay...I have fixed the table, substr the ones I found that were not, and removed a user template category. Now, you might want to remove all the Wikipedian categories, just to keep those listings clear. Keep the main media page in the Wikipedian categories, but this page really doesn't need to be in those categories in my humble opinion. Some of those substr made the page HUGE! All of the code from some userboxes was substr again and again. Especially the ones with the #switch: function. Hope this helped. - LA @ 22:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry about ruining the test, although, as you said, it didn't look promising. :) -- Joe Sewell 16:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
This template is protected as a high-risk template, in that it is transcluded on thousands of pages. It would be an attractive target for a big penis picture, etc. While I agree that Cyde certainly has a POV regarding userboxes, I do as well (quite an opposite one of Cyde's at that!). This usage update does seem to be inline with the way WP:GUS is running now, and helps to reinforce that GUS'ing a box should be done via MOVE as opposed to copy-and-paste (so as to preserve the edit history). Changes to this template should be discussed on it's talk page. If you want to change something, list it there, and if no opposes (assuming it's not radical) ping me and I'll put it in for you. — xaosflux Talk 02:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm rerunning without that setting enabled (it's AWB). alphaChimp laudare 00:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Ooops, ok I will move then instead of replacing them from here on out. Well still the end result was the same. Æon Insane Ward 22:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this ( User talk:Aeon1006#GUS moves) and decide how to proceed? Thanks. Rfrisbie talk 23:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that the zodiac templates have all been moved. Is it time to call Cyde? — Mi ra 00:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I like this one, it's very clean and neat. — Mi ra 02:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Since you appear to have taken over the religion user boxes, could you add my Unity Church userbox to your page. Also, the no body mofication one, since the whole beliefs page is gone. I want people t see they exist, since my user page probably isn't seeing much traffic. Scottandrewhutchins 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The person that I keep getting to on Wikipedia lives in the same town as me(if you do live in WL) Earth KING (Talk) 23:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 23:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I just guessed by the link to Purdue. Earth KING (Talk) 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a random thought that found me while I was on your page: What if there was a user created called "box," and all userboxes were subpages of that 'user'? Technically they would be in userspace, but would be easier to figure out for people trying to use them. I'm just thinking, it's hard to remember to type in {{User:Rfrisbie/cat lover}} for one and {{User:Pumpkin/dog lover}} for the next, but it would be a lot easier if they were all under {{User:box/(templatename)}}
Sorry for rambling, I'm trying to write it down while I still remember.
I've been creating userboxes for the Ancient Egypt WikiProject, and I created them as templates before I remembered they were supposed to be in userspace. Off I go move them now (grumble)... — Editor at Large ( talk) 20:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
That User:Boxes idea is a good one, IMHO. Lots of people have tried it with different "proxy" names, but admins keep on blocking and/or deleting them. For some reason, they just don't want to let that happen. I've never really followed their logic behind it either. I believe WikiProject boxes as project subpages are very safe where they are. (I just made one today myself.) Established ones in template space are quite safe too. Probably "one" new one in template space would pass Cyde's gate. I wouldn't bother moving project boxes until they get into trouble. However, I would put a backup somewhere in your user space. Rfrisbie talk 01:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I was going through and cleaning this out, and I wondered if "your" pages should really be in this category. I went through and removed the other user space pages, but I wanted to ask you about it first because you have so many and they're the closest thing we have to an "official" user space archive. Let me know what you think. — Mi ra 21:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 23:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
— Mi ra 00:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
My part's done. How's yours coming along? Rfrisbie talk 02:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Make it so! Rfrisbie talk 02:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 03:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 03:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't know how to explain it exactly, so here's just the code for everything:
<div style="width: 250px; font-size: 96%; float: right; margin-left: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; background: #8FBC8F; padding: 4px; border: 1px solid #3D9140; -moz-border-radius-topright: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px;">
<div style="background: #E0EEE0; padding: 1px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 10px; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 4px;">status: {{User:Sango123/Status}}</div>
<div style="height: 400px; width: 250px; overflow: auto;">__TOC__</div></div></nowiki>
You can adjust it for your own use if you'd like. I love what you've done with your userspace, by the way. :) Sango 123 03:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll play around with it and ask for your help if I goof it up too much. So, where do you "hide" this code, if you don't mind sharing. I couldn't find it. By the way, if you haven't noticed, I like your designs so much I linked a lot of your layouts on my resources page so I could "borrow" some of that cool stuff. Rfrisbie talk 03:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 05:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your resources page already and thought I saw a pattern in your design choices. And I hide my code in transcluded subpages to make it harder to find and "borrow". Cheers, Sango 123 21:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
(yes, I know how to find all of them ) so I thought they might be in your css somewhere. Anyway, it looks great! Now...I think you should lend your talents to fixing up the yucky color schemes at the Categorical index, etc., that use the reference page header! Thanks again! Rfrisbie talk 21:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 15:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rfrisbie. Interesting WikiProject you've got there. Concerning your request for information for how the bot operates, there's some detailed instructions here at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot. If you need any further help tweaking your WikiProject feel free to throw me a request for assistance. -- Longhair 09:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw one example, but I couldn't see how it worked. I'll look at your examples later today. Thanks again. Rfrisbie talk 14:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 02:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Rfrisbie talk 05:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Super-intelligent! I for one, welcome our new chromatic overlords...
Someone even complained within minutes of my adding it! *eyeroll*. -- Quiddity 20:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
would you mind adding userboxes to your collection for scotch whisky, and specifically Highland Park Single Malt? -- Ted-m 02:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to create some userboxes for the Chinese elements, but I can't get the categories to work. Could you take a look at User:Jor/Element:Earth and maybe explain why my userpage doesn't show up in Category:Earth element Wikipedians after adding it to the page? I copied the markup from your zodiac boxes and don't see where my error is. -- Jordi· ✆ 10:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Regards, Rfrisbie talk 12:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
You don't know how happy I am that someone has finally taken an intrest of some kind in that article. I listed it at requests for expansion some time ago (July 5). Maybe now that it has been assessed someone will expand it. ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk / Contribs) 18:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I just added the assessment template, so I thought I'd help with some quick sorting. Unfortunately, I doubt I can add much to the article itself. But like you said, maybe this will perk up more interest in it. Regards, Rfrisbie talk 19:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)