Hi again -- I hope you don't mind, but our dialogue at WP:AIV has been removed now, so with your permission I'll try to help you resolve things here.
I agree that the name of that page is a little confusing, and it's no problem that you reported there. Perhaps there are outcomes other than blocking that result from reports to AIV, but I'm not aware of them. At any rate, regarding the section in the article, I don't really have experience in dealing with content disputes. I would really recommend trying to talk things out before reporting people. I know you said talking with them has done nothing, and if that's true, you're welcome to revert your changes back and report them at WP:AN3 if they violate WP:3RR. Other steps for solving problems like this are at WP:DR, including making requests for comment.
Thanks for trying to go about this in an orderly way. I am glad to see you weren't interested in editing blocks -- obviously, your civil dialogue and interest in following policy are marks of a good Wikipedian.
Sorry I can't help you out more specifically than that. I personally would probably go the 3RR route. Let me know if you run into any obvious vandalism at that page or elsewhere and I'll be glad to help out with that.
Thanks again; happy editing! -- Omicronpersei8 ( talk) 09:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Please stop inserting the controversy section into the Robert Spencer article. You are violating the three revert rule on the biography of a living person. Slow down and let's look at your sources, what's the great rush? EricR 20:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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You were reported for a 3RR violation on Robert Spencer and have been blocked for 24 hours. Although you're a new editor and we usually allow some leeway over the first violation, you were blocked because you were warned twice, and then reverted again even after you responded to the 3RR report.
Please note for future reference that a revert is any undoing of another editor's work, in whole or in part, and that it makes no difference what your view of the content is (unless it is simple vandalism). Please take the time out to review WP:3RR carefully. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
A question: Which pages can I edit? -- Reza1 20:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Reza, hi, you really should have placed a warning on that RfC for us naive editors who don't follow this type of thing! The reason i reverted your addition of the controversy section to Robert Spencer was not because such a section is unwarranted, but because some of the sources used were not of sufficient quality as required by the biographies of living persons policy. Your quotation of Carl Ernst was sourced to a web page that, while appearing in a directory beneath the page of a course Prof. Ernst teaches, cannot be reliably attributed to him (his name does not even appear on that page.)
The Khaleel Mohammed quotations look to be correctly attributed, but he is only an associate professor and the comments were very derogatory. Perhaps the fact that Spencer debated him would make those quotes suitably for inclusion—but's that's probably a matter for more than one editor to decide. EricR 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
EricR, also please note that on the talk page of Spencer, I wrote these but it was rejected on the basis that we shouldn't have any conroversy section:
1. I added the neutrality tag to the conroversy section as you pointed out that "controversy itself is 100% Anti-spencer". Feel free to add material in defense of Spencer but please from academic scholars or notable people. But please don't remove other people's work. You wanted to add something from Mark Levine I guess. 2. Articles on Edward Said, Bernard Lewis do have a controversy section. Spencer is clearly controversial, isn't he? So, in fairness, we should have this section.
-- Reza1 23:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I should be thanking you, instead, for improving the article. Leave a message on my talk page anytime you need help with such issues. BhaiSaab talk 04:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Do not delete properly sourced and cited content, it can be considered vandalism. FeloniousMonk 00:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
As you have contributed to the Islamophobia article, please consider visiting Jerry Klein’s 2006 Islamophobia Radio Parody where Jerry Klein acted as if he was for forcing American-Muslims to wear special identification marks, similar to the Jews in Nazi Germany. This was to gauge his audience’s reaction and he was shocked by the calls he received. It is currently being debated if the page should be deleted. Please read the article and vote at [4]. Thank You. Wowaconia 23:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi again -- I hope you don't mind, but our dialogue at WP:AIV has been removed now, so with your permission I'll try to help you resolve things here.
I agree that the name of that page is a little confusing, and it's no problem that you reported there. Perhaps there are outcomes other than blocking that result from reports to AIV, but I'm not aware of them. At any rate, regarding the section in the article, I don't really have experience in dealing with content disputes. I would really recommend trying to talk things out before reporting people. I know you said talking with them has done nothing, and if that's true, you're welcome to revert your changes back and report them at WP:AN3 if they violate WP:3RR. Other steps for solving problems like this are at WP:DR, including making requests for comment.
Thanks for trying to go about this in an orderly way. I am glad to see you weren't interested in editing blocks -- obviously, your civil dialogue and interest in following policy are marks of a good Wikipedian.
Sorry I can't help you out more specifically than that. I personally would probably go the 3RR route. Let me know if you run into any obvious vandalism at that page or elsewhere and I'll be glad to help out with that.
Thanks again; happy editing! -- Omicronpersei8 ( talk) 09:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Please stop inserting the controversy section into the Robert Spencer article. You are violating the three revert rule on the biography of a living person. Slow down and let's look at your sources, what's the great rush? EricR 20:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and I'd like to give you the standard boilerplate welcome, if you don't mind.
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We're so glad you're here! -- Omicronpersei8 ( talk) 09:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
You were reported for a 3RR violation on Robert Spencer and have been blocked for 24 hours. Although you're a new editor and we usually allow some leeway over the first violation, you were blocked because you were warned twice, and then reverted again even after you responded to the 3RR report.
Please note for future reference that a revert is any undoing of another editor's work, in whole or in part, and that it makes no difference what your view of the content is (unless it is simple vandalism). Please take the time out to review WP:3RR carefully. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
A question: Which pages can I edit? -- Reza1 20:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Reza, hi, you really should have placed a warning on that RfC for us naive editors who don't follow this type of thing! The reason i reverted your addition of the controversy section to Robert Spencer was not because such a section is unwarranted, but because some of the sources used were not of sufficient quality as required by the biographies of living persons policy. Your quotation of Carl Ernst was sourced to a web page that, while appearing in a directory beneath the page of a course Prof. Ernst teaches, cannot be reliably attributed to him (his name does not even appear on that page.)
The Khaleel Mohammed quotations look to be correctly attributed, but he is only an associate professor and the comments were very derogatory. Perhaps the fact that Spencer debated him would make those quotes suitably for inclusion—but's that's probably a matter for more than one editor to decide. EricR 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
EricR, also please note that on the talk page of Spencer, I wrote these but it was rejected on the basis that we shouldn't have any conroversy section:
1. I added the neutrality tag to the conroversy section as you pointed out that "controversy itself is 100% Anti-spencer". Feel free to add material in defense of Spencer but please from academic scholars or notable people. But please don't remove other people's work. You wanted to add something from Mark Levine I guess. 2. Articles on Edward Said, Bernard Lewis do have a controversy section. Spencer is clearly controversial, isn't he? So, in fairness, we should have this section.
-- Reza1 23:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I should be thanking you, instead, for improving the article. Leave a message on my talk page anytime you need help with such issues. BhaiSaab talk 04:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Do not delete properly sourced and cited content, it can be considered vandalism. FeloniousMonk 00:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
As you have contributed to the Islamophobia article, please consider visiting Jerry Klein’s 2006 Islamophobia Radio Parody where Jerry Klein acted as if he was for forcing American-Muslims to wear special identification marks, similar to the Jews in Nazi Germany. This was to gauge his audience’s reaction and he was shocked by the calls he received. It is currently being debated if the page should be deleted. Please read the article and vote at [4]. Thank You. Wowaconia 23:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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