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Hello, Raymondr1877, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Draft:Ken Rockwell, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's content policies and may not be retained. In short, the topic of an article must be notable and have already been the subject of publication by reliable and independent sources.
Please review Your first article for an overview of the article creation process. The Article Wizard is available to help you create an article, where it will be reviewed and considered for publication. For information on how to request a new article that can be created by someone else, see Requested articles. If you are stuck, come to the Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can help you through the processes.
New to Wikipedia? Please consider taking a look at the our introductory tutorial or reviewing the contributing to Wikipedia page to learn the basics about editing. Below are a few other good pages about article creation.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions ask me on my talk page or you can just type {{ help me}} on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Kadzi ( talk) 16:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your recent talk page comments on User_talk:Dr. Kadzi were not added to the bottom of the page. New discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. Your message may have been moved. In the future you can use the "Add topic" link in the top right. For more details see the talk page guidelines. I will answer your query soon however please be careful when editing my talk page Kadzi ( talk) 16:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thank you for messaging me regarding your rejected draft of Ken Rockwell
I appreciate that you spent your time creating the article, however this subject has not shown to be notable at the time.
The reason for that is that you have not included enough reliable sources that are independent of the source, and show that he has significant coverage. Please study Wikipedia:Notability to understand what this is.
I know that you feel that they are notable, however the sources at the moment simply do not show that. Kadzi ( talk) 16:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I did read: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_23#Ken_Rockwell
but here non of the independent professional publications I put as references are mentioned...
I'm not the same author, I'm also not connected to the subject of the article, I'm seeing the 'influencer' aspect in its historical context and think this Wikipedia entry is missing Raymondr1877 ( talk) 20:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know what your purpose was in creating more than one copy of the same content in different draft pages, but:
I shall therefore merge the histories of the two drafts. Since the text of the second draft when it was created was identical to that of the first draft when you abandonned it, the second is effectively a continuation of the history of the first, so merging should cause no problems. JBW ( talk) 20:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
When I first started editing Wikipedia, I found a number of policies and guidelines that seemed to me to be at best bewildering, and at worst stupid. By the time I had been editing for a while, I realised that, no matter how strange they might seem to a newcomer, there were intelligent reasons behind all of those policies and guidelines. Of course that doesn't mean that I agreed with them all; after 14 years as an editor, including 10 years as an administrator, there are some aspects of some policies that I don't agree with, but even in those cases, I can see that there are logical reasons why other people support them.
Seven different experienced reviewers have all independently decided that you draft does not establish notability of its subject by Wikipedia's standards. Another very experienced editor, who has made well over 3000 edits, has advised you at the articles for creation help desk that it does not do so. Perhaps it's time to accept that those experienced editors know what Wikipedia's standards are, and it is highly unlikely that a unanimous opinion shared by all eight of them misrepresents Wikipedia's standards. If your draft were posted now as an article, it would (not "might", but "would") be nominated for deletion at a deletion discussion, and I would not place any money on its chance of surviving.
My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start.
I don't know how useful you will find that advice, if at all, but I suggest you at least consider it. JBW ( talk) 20:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
This is Raymondr1877's talk page, where you can send them messages and comments. |
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Hello, Raymondr1877!
Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the
Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the
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TheImaCow (
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16:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, Raymondr1877, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Draft:Ken Rockwell, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's content policies and may not be retained. In short, the topic of an article must be notable and have already been the subject of publication by reliable and independent sources.
Please review Your first article for an overview of the article creation process. The Article Wizard is available to help you create an article, where it will be reviewed and considered for publication. For information on how to request a new article that can be created by someone else, see Requested articles. If you are stuck, come to the Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can help you through the processes.
New to Wikipedia? Please consider taking a look at the our introductory tutorial or reviewing the contributing to Wikipedia page to learn the basics about editing. Below are a few other good pages about article creation.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions ask me on my talk page or you can just type {{ help me}} on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Kadzi ( talk) 16:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your recent talk page comments on User_talk:Dr. Kadzi were not added to the bottom of the page. New discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. Your message may have been moved. In the future you can use the "Add topic" link in the top right. For more details see the talk page guidelines. I will answer your query soon however please be careful when editing my talk page Kadzi ( talk) 16:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thank you for messaging me regarding your rejected draft of Ken Rockwell
I appreciate that you spent your time creating the article, however this subject has not shown to be notable at the time.
The reason for that is that you have not included enough reliable sources that are independent of the source, and show that he has significant coverage. Please study Wikipedia:Notability to understand what this is.
I know that you feel that they are notable, however the sources at the moment simply do not show that. Kadzi ( talk) 16:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I did read: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_23#Ken_Rockwell
but here non of the independent professional publications I put as references are mentioned...
I'm not the same author, I'm also not connected to the subject of the article, I'm seeing the 'influencer' aspect in its historical context and think this Wikipedia entry is missing Raymondr1877 ( talk) 20:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't know what your purpose was in creating more than one copy of the same content in different draft pages, but:
I shall therefore merge the histories of the two drafts. Since the text of the second draft when it was created was identical to that of the first draft when you abandonned it, the second is effectively a continuation of the history of the first, so merging should cause no problems. JBW ( talk) 20:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
When I first started editing Wikipedia, I found a number of policies and guidelines that seemed to me to be at best bewildering, and at worst stupid. By the time I had been editing for a while, I realised that, no matter how strange they might seem to a newcomer, there were intelligent reasons behind all of those policies and guidelines. Of course that doesn't mean that I agreed with them all; after 14 years as an editor, including 10 years as an administrator, there are some aspects of some policies that I don't agree with, but even in those cases, I can see that there are logical reasons why other people support them.
Seven different experienced reviewers have all independently decided that you draft does not establish notability of its subject by Wikipedia's standards. Another very experienced editor, who has made well over 3000 edits, has advised you at the articles for creation help desk that it does not do so. Perhaps it's time to accept that those experienced editors know what Wikipedia's standards are, and it is highly unlikely that a unanimous opinion shared by all eight of them misrepresents Wikipedia's standards. If your draft were posted now as an article, it would (not "might", but "would") be nominated for deletion at a deletion discussion, and I would not place any money on its chance of surviving.
My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start.
I don't know how useful you will find that advice, if at all, but I suggest you at least consider it. JBW ( talk) 20:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)