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Please review our policy on legal threats which may lead to your account being blocked from editig. See Wikipedia:No_legal_threats. It is much better to discuss calmly than to threaten when you are trying to build consensus. Rmhermen ( talk) 19:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I have reported your threats at the Administrators' noticeboard. As required by Wikipedia's rules, I am mentioning this to you here. Maproom ( talk) 23:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Vigyani. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a
neutral point of view. Your recent edit to
Ashutosh (spiritual leader) seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thank you. Vigyani
talk
ਯੋਗਦਾਨ
15:36, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.Bishonen | talk 17:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC).
Dear Bishonen,
Its great that you have arrived as a refree for the article
Ashutosh (spiritual leader). I have talked to people who have created and contributed in developing the article and I find few things wrongly described in that article in order to defame a person known as Ashutosh Maharaj. The viewpoint shown by some contributors clearly show that they are convinced by few articles over internet rather than finding what other articles have said. Few points I would like to share :
1- I have provided a good and very reliable source for finding truth - www.lobis.nic.in/phhc. This is official website where judgements of Punjab and Haryana High courts are given. But after this too, the previous contributors
Vigyani and
Maproom have not listened me.
2- There is a major conflict as High court says that something is false, few newspapers say it true and few newspapers says that it might be true. Due to this, I first asked other editors to write the judgement of honorable High Court, but due to their resistance I wanted them to modify it by using words like "might be true" or "Claiming to be true". But for this request too, they are just not convinced and blaming me for not being neutral.
3- A major fact is being modified with wrong intentions. The name of the person by which he is known as is "Ashutosh Maharaj" where "Maharaj" is his surname (might be given by followers or might be taken by himself), and this full name has been used everywhere from courts to people to various articles.
4- For being normal, you must put all views and see from all angles. Therefore just making someone controversial without looking at his viewpoint is not neutral. This is what few contributors to this article have done. They have heavily used languages with intention of maligning the person "Ashutosh Maharaj" and never used the viewpoint of "Ashutosh Maharaj" or his organisation "Divya Jyoti Jagriti Sansthan". I have always given references to prove my point but it seems that other contributors like
Vigyani and
Maproom do not pay respect to my editings and references.
Please look at all the discussions on this topic. I am always ready to correct myself if proper reasoning is given. Please forgive me if something wrong is said from my side and I expect you to make this article as neutral as possible.
Thank You --
Priyeshndixit (
talk)
17:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen, it seems that when I tell others to be neutral then I am cherrypicking, and when others try to impose some unproven facts, then its totally neutral according to you. I would have been celebrating if I said that Ashutosh Maharaj was a great preacher and he is the holiest man on earth and he achieved a lot of things. But what I just demanded was to add words like CLAIM, MIGHT, etc. for all the imposed facts which are not proven anywhere. I have provided a number of links which says that someone CLAIMS to be a driver and someone CLAIMS to be son. So kindly apply some logic and add these words.
for past few talks I have consistently received threats of being banned from wikipedia just because of I wanted words like CLAIM and MIGHT to be added for facts that are not true, and adding MAHARAJ because its a de facto surname. First of all you will let me add words like CLAIM and MIGHT and then we can discuss about word MAHARAJ after looking at wikipedia links like -
/info/en/?search=Nisargadatta_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Tukdoji_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Birju_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Kishan_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Shambhu_Maharaj and your favorite
/info/en/?search=Satpal_Maharaj which is also cited in the article. Then we can discuss about the truthfullness of the link that I gave you and the search that you did on the website
http://lobis.nic.in. Because its a legal website. Three issues that are there with a NEUTRAL point of view :
1- Add words like CLAIM or MIGHT for unproved facts
2- add MAHARAJ for Ashutosh Maharaj else you will advocate in removing maharaj from all the above links that I gave you, specially from Satpal Maharaj
3- You will add, and let me add, good things and deeds done by Ashutosh Maharaj Ji. As the article can write things like distorting Sikh religious books with few links then article can also describe good works with few good links.
At last, if you guys are getting afraid of my logic against your highly biased article then you can ban me.
Priyeshndixit (
talk)
20:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)priyeshndixit
Hi
Bishonen,
What you wrote on 25 dec, meant that I am not logical. For that you said you will ban me, I am cherrypicking words and not following wikipedia's guidelines, etc. So on 9 january I presented you logic and examples on why I am correct and why should we make changes in article
Ashutosh (Spiritual Leader). After that on same date you replied that I am rude, I dont know proper english, I am uncivilized, I don't honor consensus. And it is very clear that you want to deviate from the original matter by saying all these things. And by saying this you imply that logic, examples and facts doesn't matter much in comparison to beautiful english, too much civilisation, and all those things that you said.
Well I am civilized enough that instead of your allegations I am continuously presenting logic and examples. I am respecting consensus thats why I am not making any change in the original article but want you guys to understand logic and examples that I gave. But yes my english is weak just like many sofware devs who understands java and html more than english. And I am not rude, but I will fight unless you see the logic behind what I am saying. You must accept correct things and help me correcting the article. So I will again request you to help me make correct changes in article.
And I was writing on your page because, I thought you won't reply me if I continue writing on my talk page. And if you wont reply me back then I may again put this on your talk page. 1.39.35.34 ( talk) 06:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)priyeshndixit
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Please review our policy on legal threats which may lead to your account being blocked from editig. See Wikipedia:No_legal_threats. It is much better to discuss calmly than to threaten when you are trying to build consensus. Rmhermen ( talk) 19:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I have reported your threats at the Administrators' noticeboard. As required by Wikipedia's rules, I am mentioning this to you here. Maproom ( talk) 23:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Vigyani. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a
neutral point of view. Your recent edit to
Ashutosh (spiritual leader) seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thank you. Vigyani
talk
ਯੋਗਦਾਨ
15:36, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.Bishonen | talk 17:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC).
Dear Bishonen,
Its great that you have arrived as a refree for the article
Ashutosh (spiritual leader). I have talked to people who have created and contributed in developing the article and I find few things wrongly described in that article in order to defame a person known as Ashutosh Maharaj. The viewpoint shown by some contributors clearly show that they are convinced by few articles over internet rather than finding what other articles have said. Few points I would like to share :
1- I have provided a good and very reliable source for finding truth - www.lobis.nic.in/phhc. This is official website where judgements of Punjab and Haryana High courts are given. But after this too, the previous contributors
Vigyani and
Maproom have not listened me.
2- There is a major conflict as High court says that something is false, few newspapers say it true and few newspapers says that it might be true. Due to this, I first asked other editors to write the judgement of honorable High Court, but due to their resistance I wanted them to modify it by using words like "might be true" or "Claiming to be true". But for this request too, they are just not convinced and blaming me for not being neutral.
3- A major fact is being modified with wrong intentions. The name of the person by which he is known as is "Ashutosh Maharaj" where "Maharaj" is his surname (might be given by followers or might be taken by himself), and this full name has been used everywhere from courts to people to various articles.
4- For being normal, you must put all views and see from all angles. Therefore just making someone controversial without looking at his viewpoint is not neutral. This is what few contributors to this article have done. They have heavily used languages with intention of maligning the person "Ashutosh Maharaj" and never used the viewpoint of "Ashutosh Maharaj" or his organisation "Divya Jyoti Jagriti Sansthan". I have always given references to prove my point but it seems that other contributors like
Vigyani and
Maproom do not pay respect to my editings and references.
Please look at all the discussions on this topic. I am always ready to correct myself if proper reasoning is given. Please forgive me if something wrong is said from my side and I expect you to make this article as neutral as possible.
Thank You --
Priyeshndixit (
talk)
17:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen, it seems that when I tell others to be neutral then I am cherrypicking, and when others try to impose some unproven facts, then its totally neutral according to you. I would have been celebrating if I said that Ashutosh Maharaj was a great preacher and he is the holiest man on earth and he achieved a lot of things. But what I just demanded was to add words like CLAIM, MIGHT, etc. for all the imposed facts which are not proven anywhere. I have provided a number of links which says that someone CLAIMS to be a driver and someone CLAIMS to be son. So kindly apply some logic and add these words.
for past few talks I have consistently received threats of being banned from wikipedia just because of I wanted words like CLAIM and MIGHT to be added for facts that are not true, and adding MAHARAJ because its a de facto surname. First of all you will let me add words like CLAIM and MIGHT and then we can discuss about word MAHARAJ after looking at wikipedia links like -
/info/en/?search=Nisargadatta_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Tukdoji_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Birju_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Kishan_Maharaj,
/info/en/?search=Shambhu_Maharaj and your favorite
/info/en/?search=Satpal_Maharaj which is also cited in the article. Then we can discuss about the truthfullness of the link that I gave you and the search that you did on the website
http://lobis.nic.in. Because its a legal website. Three issues that are there with a NEUTRAL point of view :
1- Add words like CLAIM or MIGHT for unproved facts
2- add MAHARAJ for Ashutosh Maharaj else you will advocate in removing maharaj from all the above links that I gave you, specially from Satpal Maharaj
3- You will add, and let me add, good things and deeds done by Ashutosh Maharaj Ji. As the article can write things like distorting Sikh religious books with few links then article can also describe good works with few good links.
At last, if you guys are getting afraid of my logic against your highly biased article then you can ban me.
Priyeshndixit (
talk)
20:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)priyeshndixit
Hi
Bishonen,
What you wrote on 25 dec, meant that I am not logical. For that you said you will ban me, I am cherrypicking words and not following wikipedia's guidelines, etc. So on 9 january I presented you logic and examples on why I am correct and why should we make changes in article
Ashutosh (Spiritual Leader). After that on same date you replied that I am rude, I dont know proper english, I am uncivilized, I don't honor consensus. And it is very clear that you want to deviate from the original matter by saying all these things. And by saying this you imply that logic, examples and facts doesn't matter much in comparison to beautiful english, too much civilisation, and all those things that you said.
Well I am civilized enough that instead of your allegations I am continuously presenting logic and examples. I am respecting consensus thats why I am not making any change in the original article but want you guys to understand logic and examples that I gave. But yes my english is weak just like many sofware devs who understands java and html more than english. And I am not rude, but I will fight unless you see the logic behind what I am saying. You must accept correct things and help me correcting the article. So I will again request you to help me make correct changes in article.
And I was writing on your page because, I thought you won't reply me if I continue writing on my talk page. And if you wont reply me back then I may again put this on your talk page. 1.39.35.34 ( talk) 06:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)priyeshndixit