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The truth is I deleted one of my own comments on that talk page which was out of line and that I regretted! Popish Plot ( talk) 20:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI: Ordinarily, if an editor states or asks specifically that an editor not comment on his personal talk page, as Arthur Rubin has on his, you should not then continue to post on his or her talk page. It is considered uncivil. There is an exception to this for posting required notifications or warnings (e.g. about Administrative Noticeboards' discussions). That is to say, if you bring a complaint to the noticeboards you are required to alert the involved editor. Other than that it is best to stay off the personal talk pages of those who have stated that an editor's comments are not welcome at their personal pages. As a new editor I thought you should be alerted to this. Capitalismojo ( talk) 16:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Please don't post on my user talk page. :) Popish Plot ( talk) 16:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.Referring specifically to the G. Edward Griffin article. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 00:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
What I posted on Griffin Talk, [1], is the result of knowledge I acquired after quizzing admins, reading questions and results at RSN, and thoroughly reviewing WP:V, specifically the NOTES section at the bottom of the article. I tend to think the latter is often overlooked, even by a few of our veteran editors, perhaps by design, but it is always best to WP:AGF. I also believe it is very important for new editors to acquire a thorough understanding of BLP policy which also relies on strict adherence to the 3 core content policies, WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR. New editors eventually come to realize that 3RR, ARB DS, and BLP violations are at the top of the list of priorities.
Another excellent explanation in less complex terms that helped me grasp the proper application of WP:RS was provided to me earlier this year at Wikipedia:RSN by admin TenOfAllTrades. [2] (my bold and underline for emphasis)
A common misunderstanding among editors who don't have a medical or scientific background is that PubMed is a 'source' or publisher; it is not. PubMed is just a really big index (sort of like a library catalog) that collects citation information for a vast amount of science- and medicine-related content from thousands of different journals. [Some] of this material is of high quality, some...not so much. For instance, the first "PubMed" link above ( this one) is just a pointer to a catalog entry for a 2003 paper by Fukuda et al. published originally in Biological & pharmaceutical bulletin.
A second common misconception is that a source can be declared "reliable", and that declaration is a fixed, absolute judgement. Reliability depends both on the source itself and on how it is used. This board cannot provide a blanket approval that a source is reliable for all purposes. Some of the most important guidelines for evaluating the use of specific sources to support specific claims can be found in WP:MEDRS. (Of course, a source can be reliable for a particular claim and yet still be omitted from an article for reasons of (ir)relevance, undue weight, or to avoid implying conclusions not actually supported. The greater context of the article matters.) TenOfAllTrades( talk) 00:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Hope this helps. Atsme☯ Consult 17:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Really, SPECIFICO? And pray tell, what did Guy just do to me? Atsme☯ Consult 14:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
"
Popish, the fact that various editors have come here, to your talk page, demonstrates our interest in helping you to acclimate yourself to Wikipedia. You're going to have a much quicker and more productive learning curve if you take time to review all the talk page archives on Griffin and any other articles you're engaging. Any time you see an editor cite or link to a policy or guideline, please take the time to read those pages thoroughly and give some thought as to their applicability to specific editing issues and interactions. If you dive into complex discussion threads before you can refer to their history, you're not likely to get much reaction from other editors, and other editors won't feel that it's appropriate for them to repeat themselves when a newcomer arrives and has not gotten up to speed on difficult threads. Good luck. It will be worth the effort. SPECIFICO talk 23:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Popish, in response to your request that I state all of the issues and WP policies to which I referred you on the Griffin talk page: I don't think that it's likely that I or any other editor will invest the time and effort to bring you up to speed on this. I would like to see you participate and I would like the group to have the benefit of any informed views or suggestions you may wish to offer there, however I think it is up to you to invest the time and energy to contribute constructively there. I hope you'll do so. SPECIFICO talk 20:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Imagine this little kitten purring beside you. Happy thoughts!
Atsme☯
Consult 03:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Popish. Atsme has archived my reply to your recent post on her talk page, so I'll paste it here: If you have indeed located "plenty of reliable sources" for comments (pro or con) about the book, then you may propose them and the associated article text on the article talk page. Before you do so, please check whatever you find against proposals, e.g. the Forbes blog piece, that have already been proposed and rejected. SPECIFICO talk 21:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Popish Plot,
I have noticed that you often edit without an
edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks!
220
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I think you can probably relate to what I'm about to say even if it's irrelevant but maybe not. I think it's sad when an individual thinks they have all the answers, and that their POV is the right one and everyone else is wrong. It's arrogance. “A solid answer to everything is not necessary. Blurry concepts influence one to focus, but postulated clarity influences arrogance.” ~Criss Jami Maintaining flexibility and an open mind is equally important to achieving success and maintaining it. In fact, it's a key ingredient. Politically based attacks can be overwhelming, especially when you don't care about politics, but I think the former is changing world-wide thanks to self-sufficient, intelligent people who have grown weary of the ignorance, and have the common sense to know better. Overly zealous political advocates who push their POV on others will wither away, especially those who think they have all the answers and want to impose their beliefs on others while telling them how to live. It's a form of censorship and an enemy to freedom. Atsme☯ Consult 05:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Please stop using talk pages such as Talk:Elizabeth Warren for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
You're still doing it. Your edits [3] are making it clear you are not paying attention to the discussion, or simply trolling. The effect is the same. Others are working on improving the article while you keep trying to derail. To badger other editors then suggest they are "mad" and should take a break is a violation of wikiquette. I strongly suggest you stop this. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The biggest problem I see with what you're doing is questioning the liberal perspective on the TP of a BLP of an idolized Democrat who believes she has Native American ancestry. Harmless. You would probably get an even worse reception if you tried to add something positive showing support of a libertarian or conservative. I think you may have seen some of that play out at Griffin. Also, just wanted to mention that the sum of an editor's edits doesn't tell you how that editor accumulated their edit count. I saw where Guy asked you if you checked his contribution history. Best way to see what an editor actually contributed in the way of writing prose, and/or creating articles is to go to their user page, and click on user contributions in the left margin. At the top of the page you will see (talk | block log | uploads | logs | filter log). At the bottom of the page you will see Subpages User rights Edit count Edit summary search Articles created Global contributions / log SUL / accounts. Click on Edit Count. At that page you will see graphs, and a detailed summary of what kinds of articles, edits, etc. For example, you get the following page after clicking on Edit Count: [4] You can click on Articles created to find out how many articles that editor created, etc. You can find out more detailed information clicking on the articles page information. There's lots to learn by navigating the left margin and bottom margin of a page. Have fun!!! Atsme☯ Consult 04:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
See WP:PAG Atsme☯ Consult 20:59, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have answered now at talk:Tortoiseshell cat. I still believe in it. My cat was truly a red-headed tempered feline. I took ten days strong antibiotic for a ferocious bite on my hand. My vet called me once to get Fearless out of the cage because she was lashing out at all of them. lol. I wish you happy editing. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 16:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Popish Plot, I am awed by the panache and speed with which you have figured out the ropes of edition Wikipedia. It almost feels as though you already knew how to do this well from a prior experience with Wikipedia. Did you use to edit under a different name? Or take some sort of how-to-edit Wikipedia course? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:08, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi PP,
I removed your comment on Eric's talk page, and I apologize if that annoys you (it is sort of out-of-order to do so). The problem is, Eric is under a Sword of Damocles regarding gender-related stuff like this, and no matter how he answers you, there are people who would use it as a pretext to go after him. It's not really fair to say things on his page that he can get in trouble for answering. Hope you understand. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Time To Spread Some Happy Holiday Cheer!! | |
What's especially nice about the digitized version is that it doesn't need water, | |
...and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉 | |
Pure pun-ishment. [6] |
To You and Yours!
FWiW Bzuk (
talk) 16:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello Popish Plot ( talk) 22:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Popish Plot, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or click here to ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Circumcision, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
The truth is I deleted one of my own comments on that talk page which was out of line and that I regretted! Popish Plot ( talk) 20:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI: Ordinarily, if an editor states or asks specifically that an editor not comment on his personal talk page, as Arthur Rubin has on his, you should not then continue to post on his or her talk page. It is considered uncivil. There is an exception to this for posting required notifications or warnings (e.g. about Administrative Noticeboards' discussions). That is to say, if you bring a complaint to the noticeboards you are required to alert the involved editor. Other than that it is best to stay off the personal talk pages of those who have stated that an editor's comments are not welcome at their personal pages. As a new editor I thought you should be alerted to this. Capitalismojo ( talk) 16:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Please don't post on my user talk page. :) Popish Plot ( talk) 16:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding Complementary and Alternative Medicine, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.Referring specifically to the G. Edward Griffin article. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 00:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
What I posted on Griffin Talk, [1], is the result of knowledge I acquired after quizzing admins, reading questions and results at RSN, and thoroughly reviewing WP:V, specifically the NOTES section at the bottom of the article. I tend to think the latter is often overlooked, even by a few of our veteran editors, perhaps by design, but it is always best to WP:AGF. I also believe it is very important for new editors to acquire a thorough understanding of BLP policy which also relies on strict adherence to the 3 core content policies, WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR. New editors eventually come to realize that 3RR, ARB DS, and BLP violations are at the top of the list of priorities.
Another excellent explanation in less complex terms that helped me grasp the proper application of WP:RS was provided to me earlier this year at Wikipedia:RSN by admin TenOfAllTrades. [2] (my bold and underline for emphasis)
A common misunderstanding among editors who don't have a medical or scientific background is that PubMed is a 'source' or publisher; it is not. PubMed is just a really big index (sort of like a library catalog) that collects citation information for a vast amount of science- and medicine-related content from thousands of different journals. [Some] of this material is of high quality, some...not so much. For instance, the first "PubMed" link above ( this one) is just a pointer to a catalog entry for a 2003 paper by Fukuda et al. published originally in Biological & pharmaceutical bulletin.
A second common misconception is that a source can be declared "reliable", and that declaration is a fixed, absolute judgement. Reliability depends both on the source itself and on how it is used. This board cannot provide a blanket approval that a source is reliable for all purposes. Some of the most important guidelines for evaluating the use of specific sources to support specific claims can be found in WP:MEDRS. (Of course, a source can be reliable for a particular claim and yet still be omitted from an article for reasons of (ir)relevance, undue weight, or to avoid implying conclusions not actually supported. The greater context of the article matters.) TenOfAllTrades( talk) 00:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Hope this helps. Atsme☯ Consult 17:29, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Really, SPECIFICO? And pray tell, what did Guy just do to me? Atsme☯ Consult 14:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
"
Popish, the fact that various editors have come here, to your talk page, demonstrates our interest in helping you to acclimate yourself to Wikipedia. You're going to have a much quicker and more productive learning curve if you take time to review all the talk page archives on Griffin and any other articles you're engaging. Any time you see an editor cite or link to a policy or guideline, please take the time to read those pages thoroughly and give some thought as to their applicability to specific editing issues and interactions. If you dive into complex discussion threads before you can refer to their history, you're not likely to get much reaction from other editors, and other editors won't feel that it's appropriate for them to repeat themselves when a newcomer arrives and has not gotten up to speed on difficult threads. Good luck. It will be worth the effort. SPECIFICO talk 23:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Popish, in response to your request that I state all of the issues and WP policies to which I referred you on the Griffin talk page: I don't think that it's likely that I or any other editor will invest the time and effort to bring you up to speed on this. I would like to see you participate and I would like the group to have the benefit of any informed views or suggestions you may wish to offer there, however I think it is up to you to invest the time and energy to contribute constructively there. I hope you'll do so. SPECIFICO talk 20:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Imagine this little kitten purring beside you. Happy thoughts!
Atsme☯
Consult 03:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Popish. Atsme has archived my reply to your recent post on her talk page, so I'll paste it here: If you have indeed located "plenty of reliable sources" for comments (pro or con) about the book, then you may propose them and the associated article text on the article talk page. Before you do so, please check whatever you find against proposals, e.g. the Forbes blog piece, that have already been proposed and rejected. SPECIFICO talk 21:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Popish Plot,
I have noticed that you often edit without an
edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks!
220
of
Borg 16:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:
This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
Thank you. -- SineBot ( talk) 19:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I think you can probably relate to what I'm about to say even if it's irrelevant but maybe not. I think it's sad when an individual thinks they have all the answers, and that their POV is the right one and everyone else is wrong. It's arrogance. “A solid answer to everything is not necessary. Blurry concepts influence one to focus, but postulated clarity influences arrogance.” ~Criss Jami Maintaining flexibility and an open mind is equally important to achieving success and maintaining it. In fact, it's a key ingredient. Politically based attacks can be overwhelming, especially when you don't care about politics, but I think the former is changing world-wide thanks to self-sufficient, intelligent people who have grown weary of the ignorance, and have the common sense to know better. Overly zealous political advocates who push their POV on others will wither away, especially those who think they have all the answers and want to impose their beliefs on others while telling them how to live. It's a form of censorship and an enemy to freedom. Atsme☯ Consult 05:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Please stop using talk pages such as Talk:Elizabeth Warren for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
You're still doing it. Your edits [3] are making it clear you are not paying attention to the discussion, or simply trolling. The effect is the same. Others are working on improving the article while you keep trying to derail. To badger other editors then suggest they are "mad" and should take a break is a violation of wikiquette. I strongly suggest you stop this. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The biggest problem I see with what you're doing is questioning the liberal perspective on the TP of a BLP of an idolized Democrat who believes she has Native American ancestry. Harmless. You would probably get an even worse reception if you tried to add something positive showing support of a libertarian or conservative. I think you may have seen some of that play out at Griffin. Also, just wanted to mention that the sum of an editor's edits doesn't tell you how that editor accumulated their edit count. I saw where Guy asked you if you checked his contribution history. Best way to see what an editor actually contributed in the way of writing prose, and/or creating articles is to go to their user page, and click on user contributions in the left margin. At the top of the page you will see (talk | block log | uploads | logs | filter log). At the bottom of the page you will see Subpages User rights Edit count Edit summary search Articles created Global contributions / log SUL / accounts. Click on Edit Count. At that page you will see graphs, and a detailed summary of what kinds of articles, edits, etc. For example, you get the following page after clicking on Edit Count: [4] You can click on Articles created to find out how many articles that editor created, etc. You can find out more detailed information clicking on the articles page information. There's lots to learn by navigating the left margin and bottom margin of a page. Have fun!!! Atsme☯ Consult 04:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
See WP:PAG Atsme☯ Consult 20:59, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have answered now at talk:Tortoiseshell cat. I still believe in it. My cat was truly a red-headed tempered feline. I took ten days strong antibiotic for a ferocious bite on my hand. My vet called me once to get Fearless out of the cage because she was lashing out at all of them. lol. I wish you happy editing. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 16:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Popish Plot, I am awed by the panache and speed with which you have figured out the ropes of edition Wikipedia. It almost feels as though you already knew how to do this well from a prior experience with Wikipedia. Did you use to edit under a different name? Or take some sort of how-to-edit Wikipedia course? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:08, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi PP,
I removed your comment on Eric's talk page, and I apologize if that annoys you (it is sort of out-of-order to do so). The problem is, Eric is under a Sword of Damocles regarding gender-related stuff like this, and no matter how he answers you, there are people who would use it as a pretext to go after him. It's not really fair to say things on his page that he can get in trouble for answering. Hope you understand. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Time To Spread Some Happy Holiday Cheer!! | |
What's especially nice about the digitized version is that it doesn't need water, | |
...and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉 | |
Pure pun-ishment. [6] |
To You and Yours!
FWiW Bzuk (
talk) 16:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)