I eventually found what I was looking for, except it isn't what I thought it was - it's a bio about Ann. Still, it's not entirely useless:
http://www.webcitation.org/69mnmFB6s - also http://www.biography.com/people/ann-wilson-17189468?page=1
That bio pointed me to a bio about Nancy, which in many places is almost identical, (but the grammar is better!) Additional bits cover stuff more-specific-to-Nancy - the stuff about the family is much the same. Additional bits:
http://www.biography.com/people/nancy-wilson-20631965
Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 15:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
At one point in the article it pops up as Shelly Siegal - probably due to me making a typing error!.
Until I started writing this, I had only seen one gender specific reference, and that stated "she". (I guess I'd better dig it out)
However, google comes up with masculine references (plural), and photos (plural). See E) & F) for more info.
I wonder why there are no credits for him on Dreamboat Annie?
You probably already knew, but I didn't. There were two mushrooms in Vancouver:
Every reference seems to have a different role for him! (Some have several!) (None of these from wikipedia makes any reference to gender)
Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
A) Shelley is definitely a man...a 'she' crept into the article along the way.
B) Heart got their start in 1963 in Seattle, ... group went by the name The Army
I am not sure how true this is (not saying it isnt true, literally I am not sure). K&D makes it sound like Roger and Steve had been in Army (not The Army and it may not necessarily have been their band) which broke up. They later were Heart/White Heart which was theirs.
That broke up as well, and they were starting a new band in 1970 when they placed the ad which Ann saw.
It depends on how you trace band genealogy or maybe how long the interim. OTOH, it seems safe to say Hocus Pocus reformed as Heart (and only Heart) in Canada because there are 4 common members (and Fossen and Fisher seem to have followed in order to reform the band). Finally, in 1963 Roger was 13 - does that make the Army a "real" band? Is it any more real than Ann & Nancy's Viewpoints?
Romance sprang up between her and Mike and she came along when they moved to Vancouver to avoid the Vietnam draft.
C) Book tells it in reverse (she moved first and they followed abut a year later), but the essence is the same.
D) For a Roger Fisher entry, he does/did have a book out. The story of the girls getting 51% comes from that. I dunno if it is still in print.
E) According to K&D, Mushroom only had like 3 employees, so Siegel may have worn several hats in addition to PR (not unlike Michael Fisher as "manager"). Plutonix ( talk) 17:10, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Prolly not a helpful title depending on your time zone, but it is unique.
A) I LIKE the new title/label arrangement VERY MUCH! Wiki's auto-format/TOC is terrible because the section fonts are so overwhelmingly large (professionally speaking as an HCI consultant). They draw your eye to them to the exclusion of all else. Lots of breaks then makes an article look like a disjointed collection of facts or post it notes. That works for some things but not anything that is basically a narrative/running prose.
The new ';XXXX' labels provide a nice compromise - someone can scan for the section dealing with whatever they are looking for without overwhelming the eye. (whatever these are [labels?] solves an issue I have with 2 other entries I tried to solve differently but format Nazis keep unsolving).
I also added a few labels to the longer passages. I also think the labels mean that the bold text "first number one..." is no longer needed - they look like section labels accidentally in the body. I know you are trying to make those factlets easy to find, so maybe an aptly named subsection Major Success...(maybe "Smash Hits"?) serves that purpose.
That said, I think some of the new labels involve topics epic enough that they should be subsections (e.g. Contract dispute, breakup(s), the major success in the mid 80s ). So, I promoted a few to see what it looks like. I think MOTHERHOOD should be a subsection (partly so all LONG sections do have at least one subsection) but that is VERY problematic: the motherhood narrative comes and goes and spans some sections and label breaks and would require a major rewrite to reorder it into a dedicated section.
Other parts of the story would then have to have synch phrases added ("while Nancy was still...."). I dont think it helps the narrative(s).
B)I added some Lovemongers stuff during the hiatus....then promoted it to a subsection
During her hiatus, Nancy was not dormant as a performer.
I never said that because she wasnt: she did do sporadic Lovemongers events and 3 albums. Rather than change your wording I added some Lovemongers color and story. At one of these Bill Clinton came onto Ann "You're goooood. Really really gooood", too bad it is not a Nancy story. Kevin Bacon did somewhat the same: he came up to them after the SINGLES wrap party and told them they were 'great...really great'. Neither Clinton nor Kevin seemed to know who they were as Lovemongers.
gotta fix my email now.... Plutonix ( talk) 19:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Charles R. Cross graduated from the University of Washington in Seattle with a degree in creative writing [which is why there are no dates?]. At the UW, he served as editor of the Daily in 1979, and caused a major ruckus when he left the front page of the newspaper blank. The only type was a small line that read “The White Issue,” in deference to the Beatles...
I'll change them back when I get time.
The only other thing I still want to add is the passing of Dotes (Dad). Unfortunately, he died around the time Nancy's kids arrived so locating it is problematic without chopping up that narrative. First, I need to find it.
- Have a good whatever — Plutonix ( talk) 17:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC) (found SETTING to set the TZ, but server time is apparently used)
Rather than insert more new stuff within the above, I'll try your approach of starting a new section!
(Note, however, that I have also made some "tweaks" above.)
Pdfpdf (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"had been in Army (not The Army" - Yes, I've seen references referring separately to both names, and a third set of references arguing which is the "correct" of those two names ... Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
At a minimum, I'd like to set up a table of the chronology as a "straw man" that we can expand and add the relevant references to - at least that way we can separate the "agreed facts" from the "disputed facts" ... Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
"Romance sprang up between her and Mike and she came along when they moved to Vancouver to avoid the Vietnam draft."
C) Book tells it in reverse (she moved first and they followed abut a year later),
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
"For a Roger Fisher entry, he does/did have a book out. The story of the girls getting 51% comes from that." - The 51% story also appears on his Q&A page, where he also says that he hasn't finished writing his book yet. So I do not agree that the story "comes from" the book. - I've no doubt the story is in his book, but it appeared on his Q&A page first.
Check this out as well Fisher, Fossen and Derosier have every reason to be proud of their RRHOF induction, but this smacks of opportunism. If Ann and Nancy did not like Heart Breakers, this wont warm their Hearts either (pun), I suspect.
Sometimes it seems like they are all still friendly (short of a reunion - Roger has shot that down in several interviews): Roger, Steve and Mike D all contributed to Behind The Music and the book...then something like this comes along which seems decidedly less friendly though. Plutonix ( talk) 14:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
BTW: I didn't notice his book when it came out. I'll go search for it, but what do you know about it?
"According to K&D, Mushroom only had like 3 employees" - OK! (Siegel, Flicker & Leese). That answers a LOT of questions, and resolves a number of things!
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Flicker "worked" BOTH for Mushroom Studios AND for Mushroom Records. (Which explains how he was able to produce all of Heart's first 5 albums, even though Mushroom Records went bust in 1980.) And yes, as primarily a session musician, Leese was also almost certainly "multiply-employed". Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
"Maybe. However, I still prefer the bolding - after all, there are only two such strings. (Or have I missed some?)"
"What do you think of something like this as a fact-central thing to add for the albums?" - I think it's great, but I also think it will get classed as "reinventing the wheel", and that some genuinely nice person will come along in good faith and try to be helpful by replacing it with the already existing templates.
Pdfpdf (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"Ann looks good!" - Really? OK, when I've got time, I'll have a look at the video. (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"Cox is first mentioned just 5-6 sentences before" - Yes. That was what my "short attention span" comment was referring to. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Do not get too creative with the phrase "with Dreamboat Annie climbing the charts towards platinum status". - Again, not my words. I thought they were already there, but again, it's entirely likely that I was the one who typed them in. To tell the truth, I didn't like them (and still don't) but I had "bigger fish to fry" at the time. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Moved Lead Vocals list to article - Thanks. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Charles R. Cross is an interesting guy. (Have a look at his website.)
I'll now have a look at the page itself!! Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I moved the Liebovitz story into the body. I cant recall why I made it a footnote originally...Oh! Because it is a cool story, but it is an ANN story! Change it back to footnote?
Plutonix (
talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I found a B&W promotional poster for THE ARMY, so maybe it was THE ARMY. The band members on poster are: Enty(?) Wilhelm, Ray Schaeffer, Steve Fossen, Roger Fischer. They quit using the name because it kept them from getting gigs on the Navy bases.
The names are hard to read, Enty is as best I can make out fiddling with it in Photoshop. It looks nothing like "Don" as listed in the Heart banner/section thing at the bottom of NW entry.
I found ANOTHER pic that seems to indicate Army MAY go back to 1963...a REALLY, REALLY young Roger, Steve, and Ray S. are shown.
Sorry, I meant to post a link.
If you follow the HEART link under the first picture, there are some vintage Heart pics (with misleading captions ie Heart never went by Army or White Heart once they reformed in Canada and certainly not once Nancy joined.)
Plutonix ( talk) 14:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
(I also found a good copy of the cute poster for McCabes)
According to Ann, Hocus Pocus/Heart did use White Heart (not Hart) at one time as listed on Roger's entry. It was short lived though. Roger's MySpace lists bands as "Army, White Heart, Heart, Alias, Roger Fisher Band". Still seems to me like Army is just a previous band Roger was in, not a direct precursor to Heart. Plutonix ( talk) 22:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Private Audition came out in June 1982 and sold only 400,000 copies; it peaked at number 25 on Billboard.[3] After two platinum albums and two gold, this was seen as a flop, and critics and others began to sharpen their knives. However, Heart continued to do very well with concert sales.
I originally had After 2 platinum albums and a gold......re-fact checking both versions are wrong contextually. By that time (1982), all four of the first albums were PLATINUM (annie 1976; Queen 1977; Magazine 1978; D&B 1978) and only Bebe was gold (1980). However, only two were platinum for PORTRAIT/CBS records...' the other 2 platinums were for Mushroom. But I dunno where you got 2 golds from (only other gold-only album they have is 'Desire' excluding anthologies).
So it ought to say "After 2 platinum albums and a gold for CBS..." or allowing that CBS might give some credit for the Mushroom performance, I went with:
"After their series of platinum and gold albums, this was seen as a flop,...". Better to leave it generic and avoid having to explain context, IMO. The first one diesnt really work since the following phrases deal with general critics not comments from CBS. Plutonix ( talk) 16:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
The first video is indeed the original MV from the time of the album; the performance vid looks like it is from the Brigade tour. I think some earlier imprecise wording (or overly precise reading) made it sound like they recorded it but never played it since. They did play it on the Brigade tour (which I saw), but retired it after that.
There were some general ill feelings about the song: Mutt (mr shania) wrote it as a country song and reserved the right to approve their version. He vetoed the first attempt because (according to K&D), they changed one note. Then when it was released it was controversial and even banned in Ireland.
The 3rd video is a Sims thing, LOL.
My point about YouTube, was trying to winnow out whether it was a valid source or not. Because of the nature of it, I can see why WP frowns on it - I could post whatever I want there to support a point in a wiki entry. OTOH, with something which is obviously a vintage performance clip, YT is just a repository. Many of the vintage Heart clips have been posted by EMI and the like which a) means they arent copyright violations and b) are much higher quality than clips digitized from 70's or 80's era VHS tapes. (As an aside, you can use http://www.ixconverter.net/ to download and covert YT vids to MP4 or MP3 if you want digital copies of any of their stuff on YouTube).
I dont understand why several sites are on the blacklist - examiner.com for example.
Plutonix ( talk) 16:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
So, it looks like you're close having it finished. Yes?/No? Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
BTW: What's happening re the request for permission to use pictures? Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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I eventually found what I was looking for, except it isn't what I thought it was - it's a bio about Ann. Still, it's not entirely useless:
http://www.webcitation.org/69mnmFB6s - also http://www.biography.com/people/ann-wilson-17189468?page=1
That bio pointed me to a bio about Nancy, which in many places is almost identical, (but the grammar is better!) Additional bits cover stuff more-specific-to-Nancy - the stuff about the family is much the same. Additional bits:
http://www.biography.com/people/nancy-wilson-20631965
Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 15:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
At one point in the article it pops up as Shelly Siegal - probably due to me making a typing error!.
Until I started writing this, I had only seen one gender specific reference, and that stated "she". (I guess I'd better dig it out)
However, google comes up with masculine references (plural), and photos (plural). See E) & F) for more info.
I wonder why there are no credits for him on Dreamboat Annie?
You probably already knew, but I didn't. There were two mushrooms in Vancouver:
Every reference seems to have a different role for him! (Some have several!) (None of these from wikipedia makes any reference to gender)
Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
A) Shelley is definitely a man...a 'she' crept into the article along the way.
B) Heart got their start in 1963 in Seattle, ... group went by the name The Army
I am not sure how true this is (not saying it isnt true, literally I am not sure). K&D makes it sound like Roger and Steve had been in Army (not The Army and it may not necessarily have been their band) which broke up. They later were Heart/White Heart which was theirs.
That broke up as well, and they were starting a new band in 1970 when they placed the ad which Ann saw.
It depends on how you trace band genealogy or maybe how long the interim. OTOH, it seems safe to say Hocus Pocus reformed as Heart (and only Heart) in Canada because there are 4 common members (and Fossen and Fisher seem to have followed in order to reform the band). Finally, in 1963 Roger was 13 - does that make the Army a "real" band? Is it any more real than Ann & Nancy's Viewpoints?
Romance sprang up between her and Mike and she came along when they moved to Vancouver to avoid the Vietnam draft.
C) Book tells it in reverse (she moved first and they followed abut a year later), but the essence is the same.
D) For a Roger Fisher entry, he does/did have a book out. The story of the girls getting 51% comes from that. I dunno if it is still in print.
E) According to K&D, Mushroom only had like 3 employees, so Siegel may have worn several hats in addition to PR (not unlike Michael Fisher as "manager"). Plutonix ( talk) 17:10, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Prolly not a helpful title depending on your time zone, but it is unique.
A) I LIKE the new title/label arrangement VERY MUCH! Wiki's auto-format/TOC is terrible because the section fonts are so overwhelmingly large (professionally speaking as an HCI consultant). They draw your eye to them to the exclusion of all else. Lots of breaks then makes an article look like a disjointed collection of facts or post it notes. That works for some things but not anything that is basically a narrative/running prose.
The new ';XXXX' labels provide a nice compromise - someone can scan for the section dealing with whatever they are looking for without overwhelming the eye. (whatever these are [labels?] solves an issue I have with 2 other entries I tried to solve differently but format Nazis keep unsolving).
I also added a few labels to the longer passages. I also think the labels mean that the bold text "first number one..." is no longer needed - they look like section labels accidentally in the body. I know you are trying to make those factlets easy to find, so maybe an aptly named subsection Major Success...(maybe "Smash Hits"?) serves that purpose.
That said, I think some of the new labels involve topics epic enough that they should be subsections (e.g. Contract dispute, breakup(s), the major success in the mid 80s ). So, I promoted a few to see what it looks like. I think MOTHERHOOD should be a subsection (partly so all LONG sections do have at least one subsection) but that is VERY problematic: the motherhood narrative comes and goes and spans some sections and label breaks and would require a major rewrite to reorder it into a dedicated section.
Other parts of the story would then have to have synch phrases added ("while Nancy was still...."). I dont think it helps the narrative(s).
B)I added some Lovemongers stuff during the hiatus....then promoted it to a subsection
During her hiatus, Nancy was not dormant as a performer.
I never said that because she wasnt: she did do sporadic Lovemongers events and 3 albums. Rather than change your wording I added some Lovemongers color and story. At one of these Bill Clinton came onto Ann "You're goooood. Really really gooood", too bad it is not a Nancy story. Kevin Bacon did somewhat the same: he came up to them after the SINGLES wrap party and told them they were 'great...really great'. Neither Clinton nor Kevin seemed to know who they were as Lovemongers.
gotta fix my email now.... Plutonix ( talk) 19:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Charles R. Cross graduated from the University of Washington in Seattle with a degree in creative writing [which is why there are no dates?]. At the UW, he served as editor of the Daily in 1979, and caused a major ruckus when he left the front page of the newspaper blank. The only type was a small line that read “The White Issue,” in deference to the Beatles...
I'll change them back when I get time.
The only other thing I still want to add is the passing of Dotes (Dad). Unfortunately, he died around the time Nancy's kids arrived so locating it is problematic without chopping up that narrative. First, I need to find it.
- Have a good whatever — Plutonix ( talk) 17:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC) (found SETTING to set the TZ, but server time is apparently used)
Rather than insert more new stuff within the above, I'll try your approach of starting a new section!
(Note, however, that I have also made some "tweaks" above.)
Pdfpdf (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"had been in Army (not The Army" - Yes, I've seen references referring separately to both names, and a third set of references arguing which is the "correct" of those two names ... Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
At a minimum, I'd like to set up a table of the chronology as a "straw man" that we can expand and add the relevant references to - at least that way we can separate the "agreed facts" from the "disputed facts" ... Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
"Romance sprang up between her and Mike and she came along when they moved to Vancouver to avoid the Vietnam draft."
C) Book tells it in reverse (she moved first and they followed abut a year later),
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
"For a Roger Fisher entry, he does/did have a book out. The story of the girls getting 51% comes from that." - The 51% story also appears on his Q&A page, where he also says that he hasn't finished writing his book yet. So I do not agree that the story "comes from" the book. - I've no doubt the story is in his book, but it appeared on his Q&A page first.
Check this out as well Fisher, Fossen and Derosier have every reason to be proud of their RRHOF induction, but this smacks of opportunism. If Ann and Nancy did not like Heart Breakers, this wont warm their Hearts either (pun), I suspect.
Sometimes it seems like they are all still friendly (short of a reunion - Roger has shot that down in several interviews): Roger, Steve and Mike D all contributed to Behind The Music and the book...then something like this comes along which seems decidedly less friendly though. Plutonix ( talk) 14:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
BTW: I didn't notice his book when it came out. I'll go search for it, but what do you know about it?
"According to K&D, Mushroom only had like 3 employees" - OK! (Siegel, Flicker & Leese). That answers a LOT of questions, and resolves a number of things!
Plutonix ( talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Flicker "worked" BOTH for Mushroom Studios AND for Mushroom Records. (Which explains how he was able to produce all of Heart's first 5 albums, even though Mushroom Records went bust in 1980.) And yes, as primarily a session musician, Leese was also almost certainly "multiply-employed". Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
"Maybe. However, I still prefer the bolding - after all, there are only two such strings. (Or have I missed some?)"
"What do you think of something like this as a fact-central thing to add for the albums?" - I think it's great, but I also think it will get classed as "reinventing the wheel", and that some genuinely nice person will come along in good faith and try to be helpful by replacing it with the already existing templates.
Pdfpdf (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"Ann looks good!" - Really? OK, when I've got time, I'll have a look at the video. (
talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
"Cox is first mentioned just 5-6 sentences before" - Yes. That was what my "short attention span" comment was referring to. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Do not get too creative with the phrase "with Dreamboat Annie climbing the charts towards platinum status". - Again, not my words. I thought they were already there, but again, it's entirely likely that I was the one who typed them in. To tell the truth, I didn't like them (and still don't) but I had "bigger fish to fry" at the time. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Moved Lead Vocals list to article - Thanks. ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013
Charles R. Cross is an interesting guy. (Have a look at his website.)
I'll now have a look at the page itself!! Cheers, Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I moved the Liebovitz story into the body. I cant recall why I made it a footnote originally...Oh! Because it is a cool story, but it is an ANN story! Change it back to footnote?
Plutonix (
talk) 15:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I found a B&W promotional poster for THE ARMY, so maybe it was THE ARMY. The band members on poster are: Enty(?) Wilhelm, Ray Schaeffer, Steve Fossen, Roger Fischer. They quit using the name because it kept them from getting gigs on the Navy bases.
The names are hard to read, Enty is as best I can make out fiddling with it in Photoshop. It looks nothing like "Don" as listed in the Heart banner/section thing at the bottom of NW entry.
I found ANOTHER pic that seems to indicate Army MAY go back to 1963...a REALLY, REALLY young Roger, Steve, and Ray S. are shown.
Sorry, I meant to post a link.
If you follow the HEART link under the first picture, there are some vintage Heart pics (with misleading captions ie Heart never went by Army or White Heart once they reformed in Canada and certainly not once Nancy joined.)
Plutonix ( talk) 14:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
(I also found a good copy of the cute poster for McCabes)
According to Ann, Hocus Pocus/Heart did use White Heart (not Hart) at one time as listed on Roger's entry. It was short lived though. Roger's MySpace lists bands as "Army, White Heart, Heart, Alias, Roger Fisher Band". Still seems to me like Army is just a previous band Roger was in, not a direct precursor to Heart. Plutonix ( talk) 22:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Private Audition came out in June 1982 and sold only 400,000 copies; it peaked at number 25 on Billboard.[3] After two platinum albums and two gold, this was seen as a flop, and critics and others began to sharpen their knives. However, Heart continued to do very well with concert sales.
I originally had After 2 platinum albums and a gold......re-fact checking both versions are wrong contextually. By that time (1982), all four of the first albums were PLATINUM (annie 1976; Queen 1977; Magazine 1978; D&B 1978) and only Bebe was gold (1980). However, only two were platinum for PORTRAIT/CBS records...' the other 2 platinums were for Mushroom. But I dunno where you got 2 golds from (only other gold-only album they have is 'Desire' excluding anthologies).
So it ought to say "After 2 platinum albums and a gold for CBS..." or allowing that CBS might give some credit for the Mushroom performance, I went with:
"After their series of platinum and gold albums, this was seen as a flop,...". Better to leave it generic and avoid having to explain context, IMO. The first one diesnt really work since the following phrases deal with general critics not comments from CBS. Plutonix ( talk) 16:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
The first video is indeed the original MV from the time of the album; the performance vid looks like it is from the Brigade tour. I think some earlier imprecise wording (or overly precise reading) made it sound like they recorded it but never played it since. They did play it on the Brigade tour (which I saw), but retired it after that.
There were some general ill feelings about the song: Mutt (mr shania) wrote it as a country song and reserved the right to approve their version. He vetoed the first attempt because (according to K&D), they changed one note. Then when it was released it was controversial and even banned in Ireland.
The 3rd video is a Sims thing, LOL.
My point about YouTube, was trying to winnow out whether it was a valid source or not. Because of the nature of it, I can see why WP frowns on it - I could post whatever I want there to support a point in a wiki entry. OTOH, with something which is obviously a vintage performance clip, YT is just a repository. Many of the vintage Heart clips have been posted by EMI and the like which a) means they arent copyright violations and b) are much higher quality than clips digitized from 70's or 80's era VHS tapes. (As an aside, you can use http://www.ixconverter.net/ to download and covert YT vids to MP4 or MP3 if you want digital copies of any of their stuff on YouTube).
I dont understand why several sites are on the blacklist - examiner.com for example.
Plutonix ( talk) 16:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
So, it looks like you're close having it finished. Yes?/No? Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
BTW: What's happening re the request for permission to use pictures? Pdfpdf ( talk) 12:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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