I saw your edit note and just wanted to say you weren't getting in the way at all by adding the Tiryns info! Thanks for the help :) (also I'm new to editing with an account, so if I've done wrong by writing you here, or misformatted, please let me know!) infointheair 6:12, 5 May 2022 (PST)
I don't normally do drive-by tagging but if you look at the recent history of the article, we've had a problem with a new editor citing his own self-published original research. It was relatively easy to put a stop to that but it was less easy to defend existing uncited material in the article. So it had to be explicitly recognised as unsatisfactory, in the interest of fairness. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to express appreciation for your work on Kassites. That's an article I always intended to get around to and somehow never did. Cheers. Dumuzid ( talk) 14:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I think the optimal place for the information you added to the Kassite deities article would instead be the page of the ruler in mention, or perhaps Kassite art. No offense meant with the undo, the information is obviously credible, I just want to avoid the article becoming too vague again, since it used to be a dumping ground for (mostly very vintage, ie. 19th century; someone seems to be adding it back to it now, annoyingly) information about symbols on kudurru rather than strictly on the poorly understood Kassite pantheon in the strict sense (ie. pantheon of speakers of the Kassite language, not the pantheon of Mesopotamia in the Kassite/Middle Babylonian periods). On a related note, great work on the Kassite article itself, I'm particularly glad to see the baffling paragraphs about KAssites being a "Hurrian tribe" finally gone. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 21:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for attempting to correct my typo "errouneously". However, the identification of the goddess statue as Narundi is wrong because the inscription on the statue itself explicitly identifies her as Peltikalim, an Elamite form of Akkadian Belat-ekallim, "Lady of the Palace" a well-known byname of Innana/Ishtar, see Desset et al. (forthcoming). Awanir ( talk) 00:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah, I was wondering what the new work would do to some of the already existing translations. Should be interesting. Have to remember to change the narundi wiki article and the commons file tags when that happens. I'm not familiar with that particular aspect of Istar, she has so many. Oh ... its the equivalent of Ninegal. Now I know who you're talking about. Ploversegg ( talk) 02:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hey, I don't remember if we've crossed paths before but your edits pop up in my Watchlist from time to time and I'm a big fan :) I wanted to let you know that I've created an article on the Seha River Land and added some text to Kaymakçı about relevant excavations there. I'm not an expert in this area, so I wanted to bring these articles to your attention in case you had anything to add (or anything to fix!). Botterweg14 (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
In talk section of Minoan eruption, the other editor deleted my following answer to you:
Yes @ Ploversegg::, that section needs a more accurate explanation of the current achievements, and not only a list of past studies. I see in these two recent years (2021-2022), scholarship is finding a consensus, though in a wide range, specially among independent scholars. Some other people are only interested to raise or lower the chronology against recent discoveries. You're also right by saying that some issues like this only attract polemicists who do not contribute but only create obstacles.--Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B. (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC).
Thanks for the Shar-kali-sharri temple building addition in the Anunnitum article, I somehow forgot about it myself despite covering the same inscription in the Ilaba article. I moved it with the other attestations from the same period, hope you don't mind - seemed optimal to me to keep stuff vaguely chronologically arranged when it comes to construction projects, dedications etc. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 13:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, since you are well versed in archeological sites in Syria and Iraq, do you by any chance know any publications which would discuss Tell Bandar Han, especially wrt Mitanni (or more broadly - Hurrian in general) presence (or lack of it)? I'm currently preparing a much needed overhaul of the Teshub article (the image isn't even the right god right now, not to mention the weird absence of the mention of any non-Hittite sites) and stumbled upon this site in Daniel Schwemer's Wettergottgestalten monograph, where he suggests it might be Irridu, which is reasonably well attested as a cult center of this god in textual sources, and I was curious if it's just his loose suggestion or an actually accepted identification.
On a semi-related note - have you ever heard of any proposals for the location of Kumme other than the two options discussed here by Karen Radner, ie. Zakho and Beytüşşebap? I wanted to make sure I am not missing any major ones as I plan to write an article on this city because of the aforementioned Teshub project and because I've noticed someone long ago incorrectly made its name a redirect to Kummanni (the latter article does say Kumme is not the same city, as it should, but it also incorrectly asserts Kummiya is Kummanni rather than Kumme, citing a source which correctly states the opposite - pretty dreadful!). HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 12:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Do you think an article about Enegi(r) would make sense, as far as lost cities in Iraq go? As far as I can tell, in addition to a ton of textual references to the city, there is a recent identification proposal - Abu Tbeirah near Ur, right now iirc covered in some capacity in the Ur article - though the authors behind this proposal do not seem certain and suggest multiple alternatives like Kiabrig, Gishbanda, and some even more ephemeral settlements (for clarity, unless identification with AT is confirmed I do not think any of these warrant articles rn), see here, pages 468-473. As far as I can tell, there's actually more material to use than in the case of Karkar, and I did manage to pull that one off. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 16:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
In general I trust literary compositions about as far as I can throw them but fusing a number of them together like that does earn points. Clearly Enegir is somewhere in the vicinity of Ur. There was even a seal found at Ur saying "Shulgi, king of Ur, king of Enegir ..." if we believe Hallo that IMki is Enegir. Frayne says "The ancient city of Enegir which we have suggested gave rise to the term ki-en-gi “Land (around) Ki en gi(r)” is possibly located at modern Masar about 25 km north-northwest of modern Al-Muqayyir, ancient Ur" but gives no src support for that. Now that I think about it, Tell Khaiber, which I did the article for, is 19km NW of Ur, so I am going to doubt Frayne on this one. Anyway, it does seem to have been a notable cult site back in ED/UrIII dats so I would say it is worth an article though I personally be likely to say "proposed to be at Abu Tbeirah" vs actually being there. Ploversegg ( talk) 22:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
@ HaniwaEnthusiast:Cool! I keep encountering new obscure gods in my travels. While unstarting Haft Tepe (I call it the Elamite Amarna) I saw that this king had created a large funerary complex to "Kirwashir (Kirmasir)". (I enjoyed reading the paper "E. Reiner, "Inscription from a Royal Elamite Tomb", Archiv für Orientforschung, vol. 24, pp. 87–102, 1973") There must be a 1000 obscure gods like that. Currently doing a small upgrade of the lost city of Lagaba with yet another version of Istar. At least that one I have heard of. :-) Oh, agreed on Emar. Things Syrian are a mess due to the civil war or whatever they are calling it. Update- yeah it appears there is a lot available on Emar not reflected in the article, at least based on a skim of "Viano, Maurizio. "1 Introduction". Debt and Indebtedness at Emar, Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter, 2023, pp. 1-36. https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1515/9781501515309-001". Ploversegg ( talk) 16:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
hey, didn't mean to come off as catty with that word-use, i suppose in the moment i thought 'so-called' might just read as literal, :) thanks for the ce Remsense ( talk) 18:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, I have reassessed this as C. A class requires two impartial reviews. Schierbecker ( talk) 07:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Do you know what the first symbol on top is meant to represent? https://imgur.com/5gyKcHC 𐀽 might be the same thing, za or ze? Temerarius ( talk) 23:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
I saw your edit summary on Linear A. As you can see, I recently redirected Logosyllabic → Logogram. Was this a poor choice on my part? Remsense 诉 17:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Heya. I saw you editing Knossos so I just wanted to mention that there's a really nice new book out that could be useful as a source–– or just to read for fun! It's called "Knossos: Myth, History and Archaeology" and the author is James Whitley. The book gives an up-to-date synthesis of the site's archaeology, including the Greek and Roman eras which are often neglected in other overviews. It'll be one of my main sources if I ever get around to doing a rewrite, if you don't beat me to it :) Botterweg14 (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Μπακλαβάς for the work you did on Gournia. Lalaithan ( talk) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC) |
Hello Ploversegg, I noticed that you reverted a couple of edits I made on the article Hurrians. I've restored the sourced information and added an additional source, since as far as I could tell from your edit summary your deletion was based on your personal judgment and not other sources. If you do have sources refuting the content from my edit, please add it.
I also deleted the word Hurriter from the lead, since this is a German word. It doesn't belong on the English Wikipedia page for the Hurrians any more than Assyrer belongs on Assyria (see MOS:LEADLANG on this). Best wishes, Revolution Saga ( talk) 07:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Hey, I've been working on some Abu Salabikh-related stuff lately and I figured you'll be the right person to ask: are you aware of any authors who agree with Cohen's 1976 proposal (starts on p. 91) that AS is the same city as ĜEŠ.GI/Ĝišgi from the Zame Hymns (and a couple of administrative texts from Nippur), other than Krebernik and Lisman (who recently revived this theory)? Or, alternatively, of anyone who would directly oppose this? Thanks in advance. The AS article doesn't mention it atm, and I'm wondering if it's notable enough to include there in addition to the ZH and Lisin articles. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 08:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I saw your edit note and just wanted to say you weren't getting in the way at all by adding the Tiryns info! Thanks for the help :) (also I'm new to editing with an account, so if I've done wrong by writing you here, or misformatted, please let me know!) infointheair 6:12, 5 May 2022 (PST)
I don't normally do drive-by tagging but if you look at the recent history of the article, we've had a problem with a new editor citing his own self-published original research. It was relatively easy to put a stop to that but it was less easy to defend existing uncited material in the article. So it had to be explicitly recognised as unsatisfactory, in the interest of fairness. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to express appreciation for your work on Kassites. That's an article I always intended to get around to and somehow never did. Cheers. Dumuzid ( talk) 14:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I think the optimal place for the information you added to the Kassite deities article would instead be the page of the ruler in mention, or perhaps Kassite art. No offense meant with the undo, the information is obviously credible, I just want to avoid the article becoming too vague again, since it used to be a dumping ground for (mostly very vintage, ie. 19th century; someone seems to be adding it back to it now, annoyingly) information about symbols on kudurru rather than strictly on the poorly understood Kassite pantheon in the strict sense (ie. pantheon of speakers of the Kassite language, not the pantheon of Mesopotamia in the Kassite/Middle Babylonian periods). On a related note, great work on the Kassite article itself, I'm particularly glad to see the baffling paragraphs about KAssites being a "Hurrian tribe" finally gone. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 21:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for attempting to correct my typo "errouneously". However, the identification of the goddess statue as Narundi is wrong because the inscription on the statue itself explicitly identifies her as Peltikalim, an Elamite form of Akkadian Belat-ekallim, "Lady of the Palace" a well-known byname of Innana/Ishtar, see Desset et al. (forthcoming). Awanir ( talk) 00:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah, I was wondering what the new work would do to some of the already existing translations. Should be interesting. Have to remember to change the narundi wiki article and the commons file tags when that happens. I'm not familiar with that particular aspect of Istar, she has so many. Oh ... its the equivalent of Ninegal. Now I know who you're talking about. Ploversegg ( talk) 02:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hey, I don't remember if we've crossed paths before but your edits pop up in my Watchlist from time to time and I'm a big fan :) I wanted to let you know that I've created an article on the Seha River Land and added some text to Kaymakçı about relevant excavations there. I'm not an expert in this area, so I wanted to bring these articles to your attention in case you had anything to add (or anything to fix!). Botterweg14 (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
In talk section of Minoan eruption, the other editor deleted my following answer to you:
Yes @ Ploversegg::, that section needs a more accurate explanation of the current achievements, and not only a list of past studies. I see in these two recent years (2021-2022), scholarship is finding a consensus, though in a wide range, specially among independent scholars. Some other people are only interested to raise or lower the chronology against recent discoveries. You're also right by saying that some issues like this only attract polemicists who do not contribute but only create obstacles.--Carlos Eduardo Aramayo B. (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC).
Thanks for the Shar-kali-sharri temple building addition in the Anunnitum article, I somehow forgot about it myself despite covering the same inscription in the Ilaba article. I moved it with the other attestations from the same period, hope you don't mind - seemed optimal to me to keep stuff vaguely chronologically arranged when it comes to construction projects, dedications etc. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 13:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, since you are well versed in archeological sites in Syria and Iraq, do you by any chance know any publications which would discuss Tell Bandar Han, especially wrt Mitanni (or more broadly - Hurrian in general) presence (or lack of it)? I'm currently preparing a much needed overhaul of the Teshub article (the image isn't even the right god right now, not to mention the weird absence of the mention of any non-Hittite sites) and stumbled upon this site in Daniel Schwemer's Wettergottgestalten monograph, where he suggests it might be Irridu, which is reasonably well attested as a cult center of this god in textual sources, and I was curious if it's just his loose suggestion or an actually accepted identification.
On a semi-related note - have you ever heard of any proposals for the location of Kumme other than the two options discussed here by Karen Radner, ie. Zakho and Beytüşşebap? I wanted to make sure I am not missing any major ones as I plan to write an article on this city because of the aforementioned Teshub project and because I've noticed someone long ago incorrectly made its name a redirect to Kummanni (the latter article does say Kumme is not the same city, as it should, but it also incorrectly asserts Kummiya is Kummanni rather than Kumme, citing a source which correctly states the opposite - pretty dreadful!). HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 12:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Do you think an article about Enegi(r) would make sense, as far as lost cities in Iraq go? As far as I can tell, in addition to a ton of textual references to the city, there is a recent identification proposal - Abu Tbeirah near Ur, right now iirc covered in some capacity in the Ur article - though the authors behind this proposal do not seem certain and suggest multiple alternatives like Kiabrig, Gishbanda, and some even more ephemeral settlements (for clarity, unless identification with AT is confirmed I do not think any of these warrant articles rn), see here, pages 468-473. As far as I can tell, there's actually more material to use than in the case of Karkar, and I did manage to pull that one off. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 16:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
In general I trust literary compositions about as far as I can throw them but fusing a number of them together like that does earn points. Clearly Enegir is somewhere in the vicinity of Ur. There was even a seal found at Ur saying "Shulgi, king of Ur, king of Enegir ..." if we believe Hallo that IMki is Enegir. Frayne says "The ancient city of Enegir which we have suggested gave rise to the term ki-en-gi “Land (around) Ki en gi(r)” is possibly located at modern Masar about 25 km north-northwest of modern Al-Muqayyir, ancient Ur" but gives no src support for that. Now that I think about it, Tell Khaiber, which I did the article for, is 19km NW of Ur, so I am going to doubt Frayne on this one. Anyway, it does seem to have been a notable cult site back in ED/UrIII dats so I would say it is worth an article though I personally be likely to say "proposed to be at Abu Tbeirah" vs actually being there. Ploversegg ( talk) 22:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
@ HaniwaEnthusiast:Cool! I keep encountering new obscure gods in my travels. While unstarting Haft Tepe (I call it the Elamite Amarna) I saw that this king had created a large funerary complex to "Kirwashir (Kirmasir)". (I enjoyed reading the paper "E. Reiner, "Inscription from a Royal Elamite Tomb", Archiv für Orientforschung, vol. 24, pp. 87–102, 1973") There must be a 1000 obscure gods like that. Currently doing a small upgrade of the lost city of Lagaba with yet another version of Istar. At least that one I have heard of. :-) Oh, agreed on Emar. Things Syrian are a mess due to the civil war or whatever they are calling it. Update- yeah it appears there is a lot available on Emar not reflected in the article, at least based on a skim of "Viano, Maurizio. "1 Introduction". Debt and Indebtedness at Emar, Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter, 2023, pp. 1-36. https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1515/9781501515309-001". Ploversegg ( talk) 16:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
hey, didn't mean to come off as catty with that word-use, i suppose in the moment i thought 'so-called' might just read as literal, :) thanks for the ce Remsense ( talk) 18:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, I have reassessed this as C. A class requires two impartial reviews. Schierbecker ( talk) 07:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Do you know what the first symbol on top is meant to represent? https://imgur.com/5gyKcHC 𐀽 might be the same thing, za or ze? Temerarius ( talk) 23:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
I saw your edit summary on Linear A. As you can see, I recently redirected Logosyllabic → Logogram. Was this a poor choice on my part? Remsense 诉 17:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Ploversegg, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled user right to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed', and no longer appear in the new pages feed. Autopatrolled is assigned to prolific creators of articles, where those articles do not require further review, and may have been requested on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of new page patrollers.
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Heya. I saw you editing Knossos so I just wanted to mention that there's a really nice new book out that could be useful as a source–– or just to read for fun! It's called "Knossos: Myth, History and Archaeology" and the author is James Whitley. The book gives an up-to-date synthesis of the site's archaeology, including the Greek and Roman eras which are often neglected in other overviews. It'll be one of my main sources if I ever get around to doing a rewrite, if you don't beat me to it :) Botterweg14 (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Μπακλαβάς for the work you did on Gournia. Lalaithan ( talk) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC) |
Hello Ploversegg, I noticed that you reverted a couple of edits I made on the article Hurrians. I've restored the sourced information and added an additional source, since as far as I could tell from your edit summary your deletion was based on your personal judgment and not other sources. If you do have sources refuting the content from my edit, please add it.
I also deleted the word Hurriter from the lead, since this is a German word. It doesn't belong on the English Wikipedia page for the Hurrians any more than Assyrer belongs on Assyria (see MOS:LEADLANG on this). Best wishes, Revolution Saga ( talk) 07:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Hey, I've been working on some Abu Salabikh-related stuff lately and I figured you'll be the right person to ask: are you aware of any authors who agree with Cohen's 1976 proposal (starts on p. 91) that AS is the same city as ĜEŠ.GI/Ĝišgi from the Zame Hymns (and a couple of administrative texts from Nippur), other than Krebernik and Lisman (who recently revived this theory)? Or, alternatively, of anyone who would directly oppose this? Thanks in advance. The AS article doesn't mention it atm, and I'm wondering if it's notable enough to include there in addition to the ZH and Lisin articles. HaniwaEnthusiast ( talk) 08:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)