I knew it'd work out. Isaac Newton got featured as well! Drinks all 'round :) Borisblue 17:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Thames. There is actually a debate currently going on the talk page and JuanMuslim had only reverted an addition of the article being questioned. I think you might have accidentally disregarded that it was another editor that had added that without an edit summary to begin with; Juan only reverted back. Just thought I'd inform you. Cheers, a.n.o.n.y.m t 18:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
First, you're welcome :) Second, congratulations! I still have concerns about your ability to contribute as an admin, but I have no doubts you can be trusted with the priviledges of adminship. Best of luck with your PhD program. By the way, the photo on your user page is hysterical! A bunch of fumbling photographers madly trying to photograph a scantily clad woman like they've never seen the like before. It's also an interesting study of sorts in camera technology. Note how many of the photographers aren't actually taking a picture at the moment this image was taken, and are instead fumbling with some detail on their camera. -- Durin 18:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Due to a minor mix-up you weren't actually promoted. I've taken care of it, my standard advice to new admins follows: You may wish to read the reading list and how-to guide at your convenience. Most sysop actions are reversible, the exceptions being history merges and deleting pages (but it's a good idea to be careful with all of them). Again, congrats on becoming an admin. Pak aran 01:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Thames, I like the way that you organized the Islam template. But I really really liked the green and white visual style. If possible can you keep this organization, but widen and keep the old visual style. :) Thank you -- a.n.o.n.y.m t 20:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Þakka þér fyrir að styðja framboðið mitt... Okay, I guess I shouldn't talk to you in my own language, the picture above notwithstanding. But thanks for supporting my RFA till the end. And Eric's picture on your user page is my very favorite of all the featured picture - I voted for it, back in the day :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 19:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough I don't want to reveal my source and you want to protect wikipedia. 8)
I suspect you're in for a surprise though.
grazon 21:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
No but I know people who are.
grazon 21:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support. I've now been made an administrator. I'll do my best not to let you down :) -- Sherool (talk) 02:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi - out of courtesy I wanted you to know I rm a sentence of yours to the talk page. Not looking for a fight, and I documented my reasons, but in my experience I always feel a bit angry when someone clips one of my edits. I'm sure we can work it out. Kaisershatner 15:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
First of all I appreciate your contributions on various issues related to international politics, you have done quite a lot and it is valuable information. I appreciate your insightfulness for conceptualizing wikipedia in terms of economic theories.
Although I see your points made about Wikipedia being capitalist and can see where you are coming from, I was wondering, I always thought Wikipedia was in many ways to be more of a leftward leaning socialist verging towards communist sort of atmosphere. I mean there is no private ownership of the fruits of your labour, and since articles are public domain they are owned by 'the people' as a whole. Also, I was thinking that there is no incentive (in any sort of tangible substantial form) to write articles. Someone with years of education and experience will receive no more credit for the contribution of their expertise than an unskilled, uneducated 12 year old. Technically your are also not supposed to add original work which seems to go against capitalism.
But then maybe wiki is a hybrid of both in some way...
Hmmm....
But then again you probably have put more time into pondering this.
Arcan
12:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
P.S. What about an International Relations theory for Wikipedia... Realism maybe?? Each person seeks to maximise their own power or force of opinion but a balance of POV (Balance of Power...) seeks to maintain an NPOV ...or what about World Systems theory?? People in the Third world periphery cannot afford computers and internet connections to add their thoughts to wikipedia and cannot present their worldview and interests and therefore their socio-historical situation is exploited by the core of westerners to present information in the world from a Western perspective and culture?? .... Feminism ... can't think of an application there ....
Ah it's all a bit funny really...
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Hi. Thanks for the note a couple of weeks back. It meant a lot to me because I'd been a fan of your work for a while, but never crossed paths with you. I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia:Newspapers and magazines request service until your post. It looks interesting and I hope to keep track of it. BTW, I'm encountering a lot of trouble at the moment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. If you have time, it'll be a lot of help if you can look at the AfD. Best regards, 172 20:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for voting to support my RfA. I wasn't expecting an unopposed promotion (I thought I'd hit some die-hard edit-counters at least) and I'm touched by the trust shown in me. I'll try my best to continue to earn that trust. But first, I'll have to work on not sounding like a politician; that last sentence was awful. Oh well. Let me know when I screw something up with the shiny new buttons. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 06:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
k first of all i would like to thank you for changing the vandalism of Daron Malakian's page
thanks
Sumguy333
23:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I'm beginning to think that the problem is not necessarily any particular AfD vote, but the entire system. The threshold for deletion increasingly strikes me as unreasonably high. At the moment it seems as if roughly the same group of POV-pushers is about to derail the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic fascism 2 nomination. Sigh. 172 08:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Had not seen your first warning. Was not aware of any problem since all original sources are mentioned with links to it. However, since referencing and mentioning the source is not sufficient I rewrote the article. -- Nomen Nescio 14:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I've put up your image for speedy deletion, because there's a version of it in the commons as Image:Jan Cornelisz. Vermeyen 001.jpg. They are the same picture, and I have replaced the 2 references to it in wikipedia. However, there is a discrepancy. You've claimed that it's the only surviving portait of Mercurino Gattinara, however, the title of the work in the Commons is Porträt des Kanzlers Jehan Carondelet. This is from the Yorck Project, a branch of Directmedia Publishing. I have no idea who either of them are anyway, but if you know who the portrait is really of, then please clarify it. - Hahnchen 04:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you have once started the Intelnews page. Going to develop it a bit, first of all, to remove some ambiguity. Is that a Ukraine-based agency, or a Ukraine-specialized institution elsewhere abroad? Would you provide me with some sources or links? Cause I've never heard of such Ukrainian agency. Thanks, Ukrained 17:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Thames. I don't agree with your latest revert in UNIAN. The passage you restored is definitely a promo stuff even if you didn't mean to when creating the page. You see, there are 3 main news agencies in Ukraine (including UNIAN). And we don't have pages on the other 2 agencies yet. So, with your passage restored, the unqualified reader may decide that those corporations you listed subscribe the UNIAN only. That's why the passage is POV until we create 2 agency pages more and list the clients for each :) I'm writing this again because you unfortunately haven't read the talk page before reverting.
Practically, I'm not happy about promoting UNIAN since it is in my opinion the most dirty and reckless agency. They protect their owners' business interests directly - by issuing false/disformed newscasts, repeating news to increase PR impact etc. That's not worth promoting on Wikipedia. And their record during the Orange Revolution is significatly less than clear.
I didn't re-revert you cause I wasn't not sure if I can revert an admin. However, this minor dispute is not resolved Ukrained 22:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks Thames for adding the photos/pics to the article I wrote on Classic Female Blues.
I don't understand what the problem is with images in userboxes. If an image is already in use on wikipedia and is ok for the purpose of an article, why is using that same image in a userbox so problematic? I've been careful to use images already on the site, or (if an article lacked a photo) supplying one and using it too. Exceptions are pics that I don't intend to keep for long (photoshopped picture of Spock) or are made by me for the purpose of userboxes ( "Stars and Swastikas") which other users are free to use (I've gotten a few requests by other contributors). If we could host a pic elsewhere and put an URL up on our Userpages it would save a lot of headaches all around. Isn't there a way this could be done? I'm still kinda new here and figuring things out.-- Mike Nobody ¿ =/\= 05:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I really don't know how to work with him. See Talk:Socialist Party of America#Reversal of meaning for my own frustrating interaction with him. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Thames. I'm writing to you because I noticed that you have previous experience with Jacrosse. I have been having a lot of trouble with him on two pages, French Turn and Max Shachtman. He inserts irrelevant material on neoconservatism on the French Turn page (the two things have at most an indirect relationship), and he removes large amounts of material on the Shachtman page while personally attacking me in the edit-summaries. Another editor and I have been asking him repeatedly to discuss things on the talk page and cite sources, but at best he gives curt/rude answers. I don't want some passive-aggressive online jousting match, which makes this extra annoying. I really think his behavior is a form of vandalism. Is there any way that you can help? Thanks. -- metzerly 17:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. FYI, I've reported Jacrosse to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, citing primarily his removal of dispute tags. I'd appreciate any thoughts or recommendations that you have. -- metzerly 18:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Try not to forget about it. And so far consensus is 2/3 editors so much as I can tell. I won't report you but I do ask you self revert and work to atleast incorperate some of the changes suggested instead of just reverting. This is considered good wikipedia practice and polite, not just my request.-- Tznkai 01:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Voice of All T| @| ESP 02:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as you have simply carried on reverting despite warnings and a WP:AN/3 report, I've blocked you for 24 hours. There is no excuse for edit-warring from an admin. Note that, although you can, you should not unblock yourself. Thanks. - Splash talk 02:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I was hesitant to block because all of the edits in question were minor and you are an admin, and I assumed that you were probably going to stop. However, I try to watch admins, and admins watch me to. Once, I semi-protected a page when vandalism/editing disputes I was involved in were somewhat vaguely mixed, and Splash removed the protection saying "Voice of All, you should not be protecting in what is basically a content dispute in an article you are involved in". I agreed and did not reinstate, as the vandalism was no longer the true issue. I wanted to stem the tide of policy violating cruft from entering the Sexual slang article from random IPs so I semi-protected. You, however, have ignored repeated warnings by other users. You disagreed with some template links, broke 3RR, ignored two warnings, and also fully-locked the article in a content dispute agaisnt a specific user. You abandoned good faith.
My point is that no admin is perfect, but lets try to listen to others when the notice things that were are doing and should be doing, instead of just arragantly brushing it off to revert and protect against policy.
Please take the time to cool of. Even if you were the best editor ever, you still will have disputes, and you have to deal with the user (who in the case was not a troll or vandal). You say you know the policy, well, in that case, make sure you always follow it, even if abusing you admin tools seems like a quick way to make the article better. Voice of All T| @| ESP 03:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Why did you protect Template:Christianity? This is against policy!-- Tznkai 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll take the RFPP route in the future. Thanks for the advice. I do have to admit that I find this all troubling, because on one level it means that the frequently cited criticism of wikipedia that it's those who are persistent and rule gamers who win out in the end has at least a measure of truth to it. We have Wikiquette guidelines like "Work toward agreement" and "Don't ignore questions: If another disagrees with your edit, provide good reasons why you think it's appropriate" for a reason, but those seem much harder to enforce. Outside of either blocking a user entirely or blocking a page entirely, there seems like no recourse. Both of those seem like drastic measures.— thames 04:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thames. I have discussed my edits on the talk page. I have dropped my edits on the talk page, I have suggested I have discussed, informed, and so on. I have repeatedly avoided ever accusing you of bad faith, I have warned you *twice* about the 3RR and I have never used the article protection power to protect the article to "cool down" the edit war that evidently you and I were having. Each reversion I made was an attempt to incorperate or improve. The Talk page has several of my comments. In the applicable section, I may have as many as you. I am sick and tired of you constantly accusing me of noncooperative bad faith editing when I have attempted to compromise, discuss, and improve at every turn, and you have responded by reverting! I am not rule gaming, because I am seriously trying to improve the article. Not "win" anything. You have had plenty of opportunity to show you were willing to budge or accept change, or attempt compromise and I have not seen it. Maybe its there and I didn't because I'm too involved. Seriously though, this has got to stop.--
Tznkai
16:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah " (rv, it's absurd to have two links to the bible on the same template, "God the Holy Spirit" is not really common usage, "God the Son [Christ]" is extremely awkward--please propose changes on talk page)"
Not to pile on here, as I will leave it at this before you respond but [3] and [4] doesn't give enough time to bloody respond on the talk page!-- Tznkai 17:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, this kind of thing is always tricky, mainly due to the vagueness of "fair use". I am not a lawyer, but this much I do understand: that fair use provides a defence for quoting excerpted pieces of copyrighted work, for the purpose of criticism, commentary, scholarship, research etc, provided that you don't use any more copyrighted material than you must ("fair" cuts both ways) and that you actually are commenting on the text in question, rather than simply reproducing it. So the question seems to be "can we use less of the copyrighted work and still be able to make the commentary we do?": if we can, we must.
I figure this diff is typical of the sort of thing you are talking about? I don't see any particularly substantive commentary being added to that text. The section "Left-wing roots of Neoconservative organizations?" seems to have vastly more copyrighted text than commentary; I don't see how that can be likely fair use. It also smacks of original research in the bits that aren't copyright — there doesn't appear to be any reference saying that someone else has drawn these conclusions, other than the editor himself. I haven't read the rest of the article, but that section at least has serious problems. (To be honest with you, glancing at the rest of the article, it reads rather like a sociological work more than a tertiary source reporting what interpretations others have made of the material referenced.)
But anyway, your question was how to deal with it. Well, since you're involved in the article, and the questionable "fair use" insertions are not outright copyright infringement, the use of admin powers should be cleanly avoided and the 3RR observed (and reported for, if necessary). That leaves you two options. If there is a significant consensus among other editors on the article, it should be easily possible to revert the additions without needing to get close to the 3RR on the count of any of the agreeing editors. That's one way the rule works. Another route is RfC. Two ways there: if you think the editors behaviour is the major problem, which it probably isn't yet, then file a user-behaviour RfC detailing (succinctly) the behavioural problem. I presume in this case you would say he is ignoring the discussion, consensus and repeated inserting excessive fair-use material. It's for you to judge if it has reached problematic proportions. Or, if you think the problem is not yet clearly behavioural, then file an article content RfC and see if you can draw in experts on the topic of Neoconservatism to help thrash out the problem. A slightly unusual route, if you think the copyright issue to be first-and-foremost and fairly distinct from the rest, would be to make a note on WP:AN/I stating your fair use concerns on an example of a couple of diffs and asking for specific advice. Dispute resolution can be a long process, but beginning it gently is usually the least painful route. - Splash talk 03:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Thames, I do apologise for the delay getting back to you. Your latest message passed me by when I was only looking at a diff of my talk page, and I've been watching the discussion abtou the copyright infringment part of WP:BP with interest as it applies directly to this case. I see you've blocked Jacrosse. Given the feedback you got on AN/I and th reasonable judgement you have and the repeated insertions and the lack of discussion or compromise, I think your block fully justified. Future, well-measured blocks relating to the same problem would also be justified. Obviously, blocks related to other aspects of the article might not be since there might be other conflict-of-interest issues there. - Splash talk 03:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I removed your map from Kievan Rus, because I don't want that article to be turned into a playing ground for endless revert wars that plagued other related articles since Oct 2005. Firstly, the map uses un-historical Ukrainian toponyms, rather than Old East Slavic, which usually coincide with modern Russian and customary English usage. Secondly, the map shows the territory to the south of Kiev as the original land of Rus ca. 750, while: a) we have not a single source mentioning Rus at that period; b) there are no chronicles documenting the region in that period; 3) the map illustrates a fringe theory propagated by Boris Rybakov and modern Ukrainian nationalists with racist prejudices against Russia. If you had more expertise on the subject, you would see that the Rus are believed by mainstream historians to have been Scandinavians who originally settled near Staraya Russa. Please don't try to push nationalist mythology in Wikipedia. Thank you for understanding. -- Ghirla | talk 09:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with your rv and view that such a section, Int. Relations ===People (writers, etc.)===, might be too large & useless.
A list w/links to the top 20-30 examples of well-known writers on the subject -- Sassen, Kelsen, Nye, Keohane, Morgenthau, Montesquieu, Bodin, Grotius, Vattel, etc. -- would flesh out the article well. More than just the References, then: those are just a few intro. books to be read, and complete bibliographies of these authors would be prohibitive.
A list of famous figures provides an instant overview / frame of reference for the article's initial distinction that a "conceptual model" is being presented here. That modeling effort has a long history, and a list of the folks involved -- maybe with their dates included -- would indicate that.
Let me know if you agree/disagree: if you agree I'll be happy to assemble a starter-list.
-- Kessler 21:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
You mention a request to block. So far three ANI reports have gone nowhere. User:Bishonen has promised to take a look but has apparently been busy. I am not sure what process you are speaking of or whether you are talking about a unilateral block. In any case, more info can be found and further accessed via my user page as well as here. Thanks. -- TJive 02:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
You were right to scold me and another editor for a pissing match, but could you please examine recent edits on the page? Two editors with different viewpoints have been attempting to rewrite the text constructively, while one continues a revert war and personal attacks.-- Cberlet 03:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Good work, functionalism, neo-functionalism, geopolitik, it's all there. All we need is an image like the deleted one at Geopolitics (Heartland, Rimland...) and something about the aggresive Russian version of Neo-realism. Oh, and check this out. Mitteleuropa also needs work (Großraum, Nauman...). Ksenon 04:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got an edition of Mackinder's writings, featuring several of the maps. It's produced by the National Defense University, and thus may be in the public domain. I'll check on that. IMHO the Geopolitics article is a travesty, and really covers mostly Geostrategy, while ignoring the wider focuses of Geopolitics. I don't know enough about Russian neo-realism in order to write the article, but I must say I'm quite interested.— thames 16:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Thames for your edit at the Opus Dei page. That was a nice one. I also need some help, and especially after I saw your User Page, I'm sure you are the right person to ask help from.
You can find the problem where I need some help here: NPOV policy on representation, the meaning of the conjunction "or"
I think those who answered me are not official administrators. And nobody has been able to answer my latest question on how my interpretation links up with NOR -- as these policies are supposed to be mutually linked. (I also posted this in the village pump and there was no response from any official. [5] Same thing happened at the help page.
Anyway, I hope you can do something. Thanks. Lafem 14:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Chip Berlet has been constantly vandalizing the text that we finally agreed to, can you please make some intervention to the effect of making that clear?-- Jacrosse 16:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
We do need help over there, but I'm not sure exactly what is going on. From what I can tell, there seems to be an ongoing dispute over the neutrality and accuracy of one particular section. When asked to discuss this section, Jacrosse does not appear willing to do so. He also keeps polemicizing against Cberlet and evading substantive discussion. This is one man's opinion, of course, and I may be wrong; but that, I suppose, is precisely why you may be of service over on Talk:Neoconservatism. Thanks, Hydriotaphia 01:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to request mediation. I thought you would want to know this. Hydriotaphia 06:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Mediation request is here. Hydriotaphia 22:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
In reference to your latest comment—I hope you don't think I've been edit-warring, baiting, and flaming. If I have, please tell me where and when I did so. Hydriotaphia 19:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Thames,
Regarding your tagging of the "well-tempered clavier" article as needing editing from someone who knows the topic:
It is clear to me that the article has been vandalized several times on and following February 9th 2006. The versions previous to that are well-balanced enough and fair to the topic, and were apparently written by people interested in fairness. But, in the changes that were made by the two anonymous users on the 9th and 10th February, there is serious misrepresentation of my published academic research in this topic (including at least one outright lie about the process of my research), and the promotion of their own agendas. Everything in that part of the article since then has been a mess...and obviously designed to make me look bad in public, personally.
Is there a way to roll it back to the 8 February version for a fresh start forward?
Thanks,
Dr Bradley Lehman
Hi Thames! Thanks for your cheering support in my RfA. It passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E DVERS ❞ 20:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for that comment. Darn, I hate the serial comma formally (like on Wikipedia) but sometimes use it in my own personal writing. PS - nice user page! Thanks again, K ilo-Lima| (talk) 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Perceval/Archive2, thank you for your constructive opposition in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. In the meantime, I will do my best to address your concerns in the hope that when the opportunity for adminship arises once again, you will reconsider your position. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. |
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I knew it'd work out. Isaac Newton got featured as well! Drinks all 'round :) Borisblue 17:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Thames. There is actually a debate currently going on the talk page and JuanMuslim had only reverted an addition of the article being questioned. I think you might have accidentally disregarded that it was another editor that had added that without an edit summary to begin with; Juan only reverted back. Just thought I'd inform you. Cheers, a.n.o.n.y.m t 18:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
First, you're welcome :) Second, congratulations! I still have concerns about your ability to contribute as an admin, but I have no doubts you can be trusted with the priviledges of adminship. Best of luck with your PhD program. By the way, the photo on your user page is hysterical! A bunch of fumbling photographers madly trying to photograph a scantily clad woman like they've never seen the like before. It's also an interesting study of sorts in camera technology. Note how many of the photographers aren't actually taking a picture at the moment this image was taken, and are instead fumbling with some detail on their camera. -- Durin 18:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Due to a minor mix-up you weren't actually promoted. I've taken care of it, my standard advice to new admins follows: You may wish to read the reading list and how-to guide at your convenience. Most sysop actions are reversible, the exceptions being history merges and deleting pages (but it's a good idea to be careful with all of them). Again, congrats on becoming an admin. Pak aran 01:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Thames, I like the way that you organized the Islam template. But I really really liked the green and white visual style. If possible can you keep this organization, but widen and keep the old visual style. :) Thank you -- a.n.o.n.y.m t 20:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Þakka þér fyrir að styðja framboðið mitt... Okay, I guess I shouldn't talk to you in my own language, the picture above notwithstanding. But thanks for supporting my RFA till the end. And Eric's picture on your user page is my very favorite of all the featured picture - I voted for it, back in the day :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 19:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough I don't want to reveal my source and you want to protect wikipedia. 8)
I suspect you're in for a surprise though.
grazon 21:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
No but I know people who are.
grazon 21:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support. I've now been made an administrator. I'll do my best not to let you down :) -- Sherool (talk) 02:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi - out of courtesy I wanted you to know I rm a sentence of yours to the talk page. Not looking for a fight, and I documented my reasons, but in my experience I always feel a bit angry when someone clips one of my edits. I'm sure we can work it out. Kaisershatner 15:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
First of all I appreciate your contributions on various issues related to international politics, you have done quite a lot and it is valuable information. I appreciate your insightfulness for conceptualizing wikipedia in terms of economic theories.
Although I see your points made about Wikipedia being capitalist and can see where you are coming from, I was wondering, I always thought Wikipedia was in many ways to be more of a leftward leaning socialist verging towards communist sort of atmosphere. I mean there is no private ownership of the fruits of your labour, and since articles are public domain they are owned by 'the people' as a whole. Also, I was thinking that there is no incentive (in any sort of tangible substantial form) to write articles. Someone with years of education and experience will receive no more credit for the contribution of their expertise than an unskilled, uneducated 12 year old. Technically your are also not supposed to add original work which seems to go against capitalism.
But then maybe wiki is a hybrid of both in some way...
Hmmm....
But then again you probably have put more time into pondering this.
Arcan
12:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
P.S. What about an International Relations theory for Wikipedia... Realism maybe?? Each person seeks to maximise their own power or force of opinion but a balance of POV (Balance of Power...) seeks to maintain an NPOV ...or what about World Systems theory?? People in the Third world periphery cannot afford computers and internet connections to add their thoughts to wikipedia and cannot present their worldview and interests and therefore their socio-historical situation is exploited by the core of westerners to present information in the world from a Western perspective and culture?? .... Feminism ... can't think of an application there ....
Ah it's all a bit funny really...
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Hi. Thanks for the note a couple of weeks back. It meant a lot to me because I'd been a fan of your work for a while, but never crossed paths with you. I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia:Newspapers and magazines request service until your post. It looks interesting and I hope to keep track of it. BTW, I'm encountering a lot of trouble at the moment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. If you have time, it'll be a lot of help if you can look at the AfD. Best regards, 172 20:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for voting to support my RfA. I wasn't expecting an unopposed promotion (I thought I'd hit some die-hard edit-counters at least) and I'm touched by the trust shown in me. I'll try my best to continue to earn that trust. But first, I'll have to work on not sounding like a politician; that last sentence was awful. Oh well. Let me know when I screw something up with the shiny new buttons. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 06:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
k first of all i would like to thank you for changing the vandalism of Daron Malakian's page
thanks
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23:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I'm beginning to think that the problem is not necessarily any particular AfD vote, but the entire system. The threshold for deletion increasingly strikes me as unreasonably high. At the moment it seems as if roughly the same group of POV-pushers is about to derail the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Economic fascism 2 nomination. Sigh. 172 08:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Had not seen your first warning. Was not aware of any problem since all original sources are mentioned with links to it. However, since referencing and mentioning the source is not sufficient I rewrote the article. -- Nomen Nescio 14:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I've put up your image for speedy deletion, because there's a version of it in the commons as Image:Jan Cornelisz. Vermeyen 001.jpg. They are the same picture, and I have replaced the 2 references to it in wikipedia. However, there is a discrepancy. You've claimed that it's the only surviving portait of Mercurino Gattinara, however, the title of the work in the Commons is Porträt des Kanzlers Jehan Carondelet. This is from the Yorck Project, a branch of Directmedia Publishing. I have no idea who either of them are anyway, but if you know who the portrait is really of, then please clarify it. - Hahnchen 04:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you have once started the Intelnews page. Going to develop it a bit, first of all, to remove some ambiguity. Is that a Ukraine-based agency, or a Ukraine-specialized institution elsewhere abroad? Would you provide me with some sources or links? Cause I've never heard of such Ukrainian agency. Thanks, Ukrained 17:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Thames. I don't agree with your latest revert in UNIAN. The passage you restored is definitely a promo stuff even if you didn't mean to when creating the page. You see, there are 3 main news agencies in Ukraine (including UNIAN). And we don't have pages on the other 2 agencies yet. So, with your passage restored, the unqualified reader may decide that those corporations you listed subscribe the UNIAN only. That's why the passage is POV until we create 2 agency pages more and list the clients for each :) I'm writing this again because you unfortunately haven't read the talk page before reverting.
Practically, I'm not happy about promoting UNIAN since it is in my opinion the most dirty and reckless agency. They protect their owners' business interests directly - by issuing false/disformed newscasts, repeating news to increase PR impact etc. That's not worth promoting on Wikipedia. And their record during the Orange Revolution is significatly less than clear.
I didn't re-revert you cause I wasn't not sure if I can revert an admin. However, this minor dispute is not resolved Ukrained 22:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks Thames for adding the photos/pics to the article I wrote on Classic Female Blues.
I don't understand what the problem is with images in userboxes. If an image is already in use on wikipedia and is ok for the purpose of an article, why is using that same image in a userbox so problematic? I've been careful to use images already on the site, or (if an article lacked a photo) supplying one and using it too. Exceptions are pics that I don't intend to keep for long (photoshopped picture of Spock) or are made by me for the purpose of userboxes ( "Stars and Swastikas") which other users are free to use (I've gotten a few requests by other contributors). If we could host a pic elsewhere and put an URL up on our Userpages it would save a lot of headaches all around. Isn't there a way this could be done? I'm still kinda new here and figuring things out.-- Mike Nobody ¿ =/\= 05:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I really don't know how to work with him. See Talk:Socialist Party of America#Reversal of meaning for my own frustrating interaction with him. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Thames. I'm writing to you because I noticed that you have previous experience with Jacrosse. I have been having a lot of trouble with him on two pages, French Turn and Max Shachtman. He inserts irrelevant material on neoconservatism on the French Turn page (the two things have at most an indirect relationship), and he removes large amounts of material on the Shachtman page while personally attacking me in the edit-summaries. Another editor and I have been asking him repeatedly to discuss things on the talk page and cite sources, but at best he gives curt/rude answers. I don't want some passive-aggressive online jousting match, which makes this extra annoying. I really think his behavior is a form of vandalism. Is there any way that you can help? Thanks. -- metzerly 17:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. FYI, I've reported Jacrosse to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, citing primarily his removal of dispute tags. I'd appreciate any thoughts or recommendations that you have. -- metzerly 18:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Try not to forget about it. And so far consensus is 2/3 editors so much as I can tell. I won't report you but I do ask you self revert and work to atleast incorperate some of the changes suggested instead of just reverting. This is considered good wikipedia practice and polite, not just my request.-- Tznkai 01:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Voice of All T| @| ESP 02:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as you have simply carried on reverting despite warnings and a WP:AN/3 report, I've blocked you for 24 hours. There is no excuse for edit-warring from an admin. Note that, although you can, you should not unblock yourself. Thanks. - Splash talk 02:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I was hesitant to block because all of the edits in question were minor and you are an admin, and I assumed that you were probably going to stop. However, I try to watch admins, and admins watch me to. Once, I semi-protected a page when vandalism/editing disputes I was involved in were somewhat vaguely mixed, and Splash removed the protection saying "Voice of All, you should not be protecting in what is basically a content dispute in an article you are involved in". I agreed and did not reinstate, as the vandalism was no longer the true issue. I wanted to stem the tide of policy violating cruft from entering the Sexual slang article from random IPs so I semi-protected. You, however, have ignored repeated warnings by other users. You disagreed with some template links, broke 3RR, ignored two warnings, and also fully-locked the article in a content dispute agaisnt a specific user. You abandoned good faith.
My point is that no admin is perfect, but lets try to listen to others when the notice things that were are doing and should be doing, instead of just arragantly brushing it off to revert and protect against policy.
Please take the time to cool of. Even if you were the best editor ever, you still will have disputes, and you have to deal with the user (who in the case was not a troll or vandal). You say you know the policy, well, in that case, make sure you always follow it, even if abusing you admin tools seems like a quick way to make the article better. Voice of All T| @| ESP 03:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Why did you protect Template:Christianity? This is against policy!-- Tznkai 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll take the RFPP route in the future. Thanks for the advice. I do have to admit that I find this all troubling, because on one level it means that the frequently cited criticism of wikipedia that it's those who are persistent and rule gamers who win out in the end has at least a measure of truth to it. We have Wikiquette guidelines like "Work toward agreement" and "Don't ignore questions: If another disagrees with your edit, provide good reasons why you think it's appropriate" for a reason, but those seem much harder to enforce. Outside of either blocking a user entirely or blocking a page entirely, there seems like no recourse. Both of those seem like drastic measures.— thames 04:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thames. I have discussed my edits on the talk page. I have dropped my edits on the talk page, I have suggested I have discussed, informed, and so on. I have repeatedly avoided ever accusing you of bad faith, I have warned you *twice* about the 3RR and I have never used the article protection power to protect the article to "cool down" the edit war that evidently you and I were having. Each reversion I made was an attempt to incorperate or improve. The Talk page has several of my comments. In the applicable section, I may have as many as you. I am sick and tired of you constantly accusing me of noncooperative bad faith editing when I have attempted to compromise, discuss, and improve at every turn, and you have responded by reverting! I am not rule gaming, because I am seriously trying to improve the article. Not "win" anything. You have had plenty of opportunity to show you were willing to budge or accept change, or attempt compromise and I have not seen it. Maybe its there and I didn't because I'm too involved. Seriously though, this has got to stop.--
Tznkai
16:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah " (rv, it's absurd to have two links to the bible on the same template, "God the Holy Spirit" is not really common usage, "God the Son [Christ]" is extremely awkward--please propose changes on talk page)"
Not to pile on here, as I will leave it at this before you respond but [3] and [4] doesn't give enough time to bloody respond on the talk page!-- Tznkai 17:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, this kind of thing is always tricky, mainly due to the vagueness of "fair use". I am not a lawyer, but this much I do understand: that fair use provides a defence for quoting excerpted pieces of copyrighted work, for the purpose of criticism, commentary, scholarship, research etc, provided that you don't use any more copyrighted material than you must ("fair" cuts both ways) and that you actually are commenting on the text in question, rather than simply reproducing it. So the question seems to be "can we use less of the copyrighted work and still be able to make the commentary we do?": if we can, we must.
I figure this diff is typical of the sort of thing you are talking about? I don't see any particularly substantive commentary being added to that text. The section "Left-wing roots of Neoconservative organizations?" seems to have vastly more copyrighted text than commentary; I don't see how that can be likely fair use. It also smacks of original research in the bits that aren't copyright — there doesn't appear to be any reference saying that someone else has drawn these conclusions, other than the editor himself. I haven't read the rest of the article, but that section at least has serious problems. (To be honest with you, glancing at the rest of the article, it reads rather like a sociological work more than a tertiary source reporting what interpretations others have made of the material referenced.)
But anyway, your question was how to deal with it. Well, since you're involved in the article, and the questionable "fair use" insertions are not outright copyright infringement, the use of admin powers should be cleanly avoided and the 3RR observed (and reported for, if necessary). That leaves you two options. If there is a significant consensus among other editors on the article, it should be easily possible to revert the additions without needing to get close to the 3RR on the count of any of the agreeing editors. That's one way the rule works. Another route is RfC. Two ways there: if you think the editors behaviour is the major problem, which it probably isn't yet, then file a user-behaviour RfC detailing (succinctly) the behavioural problem. I presume in this case you would say he is ignoring the discussion, consensus and repeated inserting excessive fair-use material. It's for you to judge if it has reached problematic proportions. Or, if you think the problem is not yet clearly behavioural, then file an article content RfC and see if you can draw in experts on the topic of Neoconservatism to help thrash out the problem. A slightly unusual route, if you think the copyright issue to be first-and-foremost and fairly distinct from the rest, would be to make a note on WP:AN/I stating your fair use concerns on an example of a couple of diffs and asking for specific advice. Dispute resolution can be a long process, but beginning it gently is usually the least painful route. - Splash talk 03:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Thames, I do apologise for the delay getting back to you. Your latest message passed me by when I was only looking at a diff of my talk page, and I've been watching the discussion abtou the copyright infringment part of WP:BP with interest as it applies directly to this case. I see you've blocked Jacrosse. Given the feedback you got on AN/I and th reasonable judgement you have and the repeated insertions and the lack of discussion or compromise, I think your block fully justified. Future, well-measured blocks relating to the same problem would also be justified. Obviously, blocks related to other aspects of the article might not be since there might be other conflict-of-interest issues there. - Splash talk 03:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I removed your map from Kievan Rus, because I don't want that article to be turned into a playing ground for endless revert wars that plagued other related articles since Oct 2005. Firstly, the map uses un-historical Ukrainian toponyms, rather than Old East Slavic, which usually coincide with modern Russian and customary English usage. Secondly, the map shows the territory to the south of Kiev as the original land of Rus ca. 750, while: a) we have not a single source mentioning Rus at that period; b) there are no chronicles documenting the region in that period; 3) the map illustrates a fringe theory propagated by Boris Rybakov and modern Ukrainian nationalists with racist prejudices against Russia. If you had more expertise on the subject, you would see that the Rus are believed by mainstream historians to have been Scandinavians who originally settled near Staraya Russa. Please don't try to push nationalist mythology in Wikipedia. Thank you for understanding. -- Ghirla | talk 09:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with your rv and view that such a section, Int. Relations ===People (writers, etc.)===, might be too large & useless.
A list w/links to the top 20-30 examples of well-known writers on the subject -- Sassen, Kelsen, Nye, Keohane, Morgenthau, Montesquieu, Bodin, Grotius, Vattel, etc. -- would flesh out the article well. More than just the References, then: those are just a few intro. books to be read, and complete bibliographies of these authors would be prohibitive.
A list of famous figures provides an instant overview / frame of reference for the article's initial distinction that a "conceptual model" is being presented here. That modeling effort has a long history, and a list of the folks involved -- maybe with their dates included -- would indicate that.
Let me know if you agree/disagree: if you agree I'll be happy to assemble a starter-list.
-- Kessler 21:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
You mention a request to block. So far three ANI reports have gone nowhere. User:Bishonen has promised to take a look but has apparently been busy. I am not sure what process you are speaking of or whether you are talking about a unilateral block. In any case, more info can be found and further accessed via my user page as well as here. Thanks. -- TJive 02:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
You were right to scold me and another editor for a pissing match, but could you please examine recent edits on the page? Two editors with different viewpoints have been attempting to rewrite the text constructively, while one continues a revert war and personal attacks.-- Cberlet 03:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Good work, functionalism, neo-functionalism, geopolitik, it's all there. All we need is an image like the deleted one at Geopolitics (Heartland, Rimland...) and something about the aggresive Russian version of Neo-realism. Oh, and check this out. Mitteleuropa also needs work (Großraum, Nauman...). Ksenon 04:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got an edition of Mackinder's writings, featuring several of the maps. It's produced by the National Defense University, and thus may be in the public domain. I'll check on that. IMHO the Geopolitics article is a travesty, and really covers mostly Geostrategy, while ignoring the wider focuses of Geopolitics. I don't know enough about Russian neo-realism in order to write the article, but I must say I'm quite interested.— thames 16:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Thames for your edit at the Opus Dei page. That was a nice one. I also need some help, and especially after I saw your User Page, I'm sure you are the right person to ask help from.
You can find the problem where I need some help here: NPOV policy on representation, the meaning of the conjunction "or"
I think those who answered me are not official administrators. And nobody has been able to answer my latest question on how my interpretation links up with NOR -- as these policies are supposed to be mutually linked. (I also posted this in the village pump and there was no response from any official. [5] Same thing happened at the help page.
Anyway, I hope you can do something. Thanks. Lafem 14:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Chip Berlet has been constantly vandalizing the text that we finally agreed to, can you please make some intervention to the effect of making that clear?-- Jacrosse 16:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
We do need help over there, but I'm not sure exactly what is going on. From what I can tell, there seems to be an ongoing dispute over the neutrality and accuracy of one particular section. When asked to discuss this section, Jacrosse does not appear willing to do so. He also keeps polemicizing against Cberlet and evading substantive discussion. This is one man's opinion, of course, and I may be wrong; but that, I suppose, is precisely why you may be of service over on Talk:Neoconservatism. Thanks, Hydriotaphia 01:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to request mediation. I thought you would want to know this. Hydriotaphia 06:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Mediation request is here. Hydriotaphia 22:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
In reference to your latest comment—I hope you don't think I've been edit-warring, baiting, and flaming. If I have, please tell me where and when I did so. Hydriotaphia 19:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Thames,
Regarding your tagging of the "well-tempered clavier" article as needing editing from someone who knows the topic:
It is clear to me that the article has been vandalized several times on and following February 9th 2006. The versions previous to that are well-balanced enough and fair to the topic, and were apparently written by people interested in fairness. But, in the changes that were made by the two anonymous users on the 9th and 10th February, there is serious misrepresentation of my published academic research in this topic (including at least one outright lie about the process of my research), and the promotion of their own agendas. Everything in that part of the article since then has been a mess...and obviously designed to make me look bad in public, personally.
Is there a way to roll it back to the 8 February version for a fresh start forward?
Thanks,
Dr Bradley Lehman
Hi Thames! Thanks for your cheering support in my RfA. It passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E DVERS ❞ 20:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for that comment. Darn, I hate the serial comma formally (like on Wikipedia) but sometimes use it in my own personal writing. PS - nice user page! Thanks again, K ilo-Lima| (talk) 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Perceval/Archive2, thank you for your constructive opposition in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. In the meantime, I will do my best to address your concerns in the hope that when the opportunity for adminship arises once again, you will reconsider your position. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. |
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