Vote for or against me on my adminship the voting is pretty close, so if you have an opinion, vote. Pedant
If you are invovlved in the discussion, and I didn't already ask: Can you point me at a version of [Cultural and Historic background of Jesus] that is close to what you think is a correct version? And what parts of that version you think don't belong? Pedant 00:31, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)
Just thought i'd check up and see how your coming along with your scanning effort. Drop me a line over on my user talk page. Alkivar 06:13, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This is the agreed-on policy wikipedia-wide for naming articles about ships: Naming_conventions#Ship_names; and here, under 'scope' are the "new policies" of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Scope
For information regarding the other stated policies of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships, see:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Categorization;
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Index Pages;
The text was from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships which is online at 1. They did indeed use OCR to scan the data in. Thanks for catching that one.
As for the category, please check the other ship categories and notice that typically index pages are used for ships with the same names, rather than categories. After all, how many "ships named Enterprise" would there be? Jinian 18:01, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nice additions to the Nautilus article, 2 things though, please don't remove this article from Category:Ships named Nautilus, as it was a ship named Nautilus. Also did you use Optical character recognition to scan this data in? Would you check this phrase: "arid after provisioning" is that not supposed to be "and after provisioning"? Anyway, good job de-stubbifying the article. Looks great. Pedant 17:57, 2004 Nov 20 (UTC)
Most information about the style of ships' pages can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships. Index pages are discussed in section 2.1, but for brevity, it says Index articles about ships should include in their titles only the standard prefix used by that ship. Other identification should be omitted, so that a reader can easily locate the material sought; eg, name an index article simply "USS Enterprise." So, instead of an article entitled "Ships named Nautilus", to be in line with what every other ship article in Wikipedia looks like, it would be "USS Nautilus" (Moving the current page to one with this title is now on my list of things to do, after I noticed the problem.) See USS Enterprise for an example of what a ship index page looks like. Then each ship goes into the proper category based on the type of ship it was/is (destroyer/sloop/aircraft carrier/gunboat/tug, whatever).
Thanks. So the Lady Washington wasn't ever the USS Lady Washington? Did you find some reference where she was referred to as the USS Lady Washington? That's the one question I asked several times. If you did, where was that reference? Thanks again. Pedant 16:41, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
and
So what I get from that is that
comments welcome. Pedant 17:36, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
(You have to interpret the naming convention in the light of its practical application, and not in a legalistic fashion. I didn't write it for interpretation by a court, but by sensible people.) Re "USS Lady Washington": We have a convention at Wikipedia of putting ship prefixes in article titles for ships that historically weren't always referred to with that prefix. For example, "HMS" was first used in the late 18th century, but we still have articles like HMS Royal Charles (1655). This is because (1) it makes it simple to title the article; (2) avoids the many disputes that would arise when there is doubt over how the ship was named by its contemporaries; (3) Royal Charles was His Majesty's Ship, so the title is right. In the case of Lady Washington if we disallowed "USS" because of the anachronism we would probably call the article "United States Ship Lady Washington". But then why not abbreviate that rather cumbersome name to "USS Lady Washington"? Gdr 20:30, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
I think I'm responsible for at least one generation of the "list all ships" phrase, and at the time it seemed so obvious that it meant ships of a particular navy that I didn't even think to state that specifically. In practice, the most common situation needing disambiguation is an "HMS Enterprise" reference; the next most common might be Enterprise, which you can see is already a disambig that includes HMS and USS forms as "sub-disambiguators". In any case, we now have hundreds if not thousands of articles following the per-navy convention; anybody who wants us to change conventions should at the very least sign up to change them all, so things continue to be consistent. As to whether ships named Enterprise is a worthwhile article in its own right, that is to some extent a matter of taste. Having read thousands of ship histories now, it seems pretty rare that there's any real significance to the reuse of names; it would be like having a narrative article for people named John Smith. Stan 23:24, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"Having read thousands of ship histories now, it seems pretty rare that there's any real significance to the reuse of names; it would be like having a narrative article for people named John Smith"
The use of "USS" for Continental ships has been troubling me for some time. There was a statute (turn-of-the-century?) that changed the old USF etc to USS for all vessels; it's possible that the fine print made "USS" officially retroactive for Continental Navy vessels. Many sources don't even use prefixes, but they also don't do hyperlinking on our scale, which makes it a problem unique to WP. I'm certainly interested in the evidence for and against using "USS", and how alternatives would handle the existing body of articles, plus how to inform future editors what they should do. In any case, we should continue on the project and/or naming conventions talk pages, that's why they exist (individual users clean up their talk pages, so not the best place to have an on-the-record debate). Stan 23:39, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I see you're pretty new here, but have already gotten embroiled in a bit of a fight. Sorry about that! In the couple of years that WP has been around, we've evolved a number of conventions intended to facilitate construction of the encyclopedia, and to reduce the number of disputes. Almost no one is totally happy with the body of standards and policy, but they support it as an alternative to incessant arguing about the same old things. So if you wade in, tell the oldtimers how they're all wrong, and start doing things in a completely different way, you're not going to get a positive reaction. It would work better to spend your time asking people why things are the way they are first, and fixing existing articles rather than leaving them with mistakes, and creating new articles that duplicate much content. I welcome your ideas and am pleased to have another person interested in naval things, so let's see if we can get started off on the right foot. Stan 02:45, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
OK, I see, you have been around WP for awhile. In that case I'm puzzled by your behavior with respect to ship articles; you're presumably familiar with the existing consensus for naming and content, and proposed changes are worked on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships - in fact there are several ongoing debates there, for which I and others have been doing library research before committing to changing lots of articles - but yet you silently chose to work at cross-purposes to that consensus. You see from the recent edit history of ships named Nautilus that it's going to be hard to defend the article from random editors who simply follow the guidelines that they see written down somewhere. That for me is the real underlying reason to develop consensus and rationale for an idea; while you're working on water heater and I'm pruning shrubs, we want other editors to agree with our additions and improve on them, rather than messing them up. Stan 04:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"categories deleted before they could even be populated" - heh, that's happened to me a couple times, it is very annoying! I think one thing that gets a bad reaction is that you do things like characterize "USS Nautilus" as "flawed at it's premise" - the dozen-odd people who've worked a lot on naval articles pride themselves on seeking for accuracy, and you come off as dissing them en masse. When I've done research on ship prefixes and their usage, I've found that it's been very inconsistent - authors are all over the place, navies report their current usage and profess ignorance that it was different in the past, etc. That's why it would have been better to bring it up at the project page first; while you make some good points, I think other editors are apprehensive of the potential for chaos, especially if you're not signing up to fix the hundreds of articles and thousands of links that would be affected. Stan 05:31, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
When I see an article that seem drastically wrong in some way, or inconsistent project rules, but the edit histories shows that a number of people active in the topic must have reviewed and accepted them in that form, I assume that there's a underlying reason and ask on talk pages first. Frequently my questions get other people to realize their mistakes, and they jump to fix the problem - everybody wins. Stan 17:00, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Pedant 22:38, 2004 Nov 24 (UTC)
You might not want to call too much attention to your complaints about the ships project - others will look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships and see that you've made exactly two additions to it so far, and that a number of your remarks there and elsewhere are bordering on personal attacks, which can get you in trouble. If you're going to keep making claims of false information, I expect to start seeing some citations to published literature, not unverifiable references to some conversation you might have had. BTW, I'm putting my note because you've totally scrambled your talk page with redirs and such. Stan 18:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
USS Nautilus says "The first Nautilus, was a schooner that served against the Tripolitan pirates and into the War of 1812"
and
Nautilus (1800) says "Nautilus was the first practical submarine, commissioned by Napoleon and designed by the American inventor Robert Fulton, then living in France. Launched in 1800...".
I'm confused about what the problems are. It seems to be that there are several issues that need discussing:
I find much of the discussion above difficult to follow because it keeps slipping from one issue to another. I also think it would be best if this whole discussion continued in the relevant sections of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships where participants are more likely to read it. Gdr 13:03, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)
Thanks for your support! -- jpgordon{ gab} 04:31, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Putting this link here will undoubtably attract Slrubenstein and Sam Spade and company to the link destination. Nethertheless, would you like to comment? CheeseDreams 19:23, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams
Oh, you might also like to see the nuclear option
Pedant, I'm not sure I've seen a version that I feel gets the balance exactly right, but I haven't looked through the pre-edit conflict versions. I think that the version of the article currently protected is better than the FT2 version, and I noted my issues with each version earlier on the talk page. At any rate, my basic feeling, in terms of how much Jesus should be in the article, is that the article should not be about Jesus, but that it should be about the context of Jesus. To discuss context, there ought to be some necessary reference to what is being contextualized. Thus, discussion of the Pharisees should indicate how the Pharisees relate to the Jesus story, and so forth. john k 00:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I would start with the article in its current, protected form [1], and then make the changes I outlined (but honestly, I took into account what others had said), here: [2]. If you look at the article in its protected form, after section 3 "sources" is sections 4-7, starting with "material from earlier version." When I was revising the article, I left this material in as a courtesy: in case others thought any content from it should be in the article, people could move it to the appropriate spot. Personally, I think all of this material could be deleted.
This is the version I really do not like: [3]. Here [4] are my reasons for not liking this version (I call it FT2's ultimate version using "ultimate" to mean "latest.")
I hope this is clear. Slrubenstein
I don't have a version I can point to, per se, as one I prefer. I do think it should be organized more or less chronologically, rather than divided up by topic. And as I said before on the article's talk page, I think the article should say just enough about Jesus for the reader to know why everyone thinks this background stuff is worth learning about.
Wesley 04:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Since you created the category and may have been watchlisting it, I thought I should mention that I moved it over to Category:Waste management to conform with Wikipedia capitalization standards. Unfortunately there's no automated function for that so I had to create a new page and delete the old one. Just in case you wondered where it had disappeared off to. Bryan 05:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The project is going from the Christian point of view of what the "Bible" is... Obviously, there is a big overlap with the Hebrew Bible, and there is not consensus about the right thing to do when the project overlaps with Wikiproject Judaism. Unfortunately, I announced the project right before Sukkoth, so the participants in Judaism who were going to comment haven't done so... Mpolo 20:15, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
Hi there. I was wondering if you could help out a bit with Fact and Reference Check's biweekly special article. AFAIK I am the only one who has been helping out with it...I'm disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm for this. Anyways, if you get a chance, we would really appreciate your help. As of now, we're not really referencing 'properly' because it causes numerous problems. Not only does it force readers to jump around a lot, but if you need to add a footnote in, you're forced to manually update the rest of the footnotes (search for all the footnotes in the article, and add one to each). This is quite a pain, and doesn't warrant the advantages...besides, the current guidelines for referencing with footnotes actually encourages linking directly to the source. [5] Thanks for your time. -[[User:Frazzydee| Frazzydee| ✍]] 22:27, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I notice you created the picture-free article. It was deleted because it split the article into two complete versions that aren't edited in tandem. I believe I've solved this problem. Basically, I've turned the main article into a template with parameters enbedded in the image tags. When it's used as a template from a subpage with the parameter set to "-5px", the images error out. This makes a version of the page without images, but one that's still based on one and only one article.
See Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse/pictures suppressed. Cool Hand Luke 08:10, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If you remember back a little bit, you were kind enough to test the idea of Kiki with nine kids. You said they were interested in her, as long as she were intelligent. Since then, Kiki has developed into a character that appears on ever few pages in the books, and occasionally interviews real-life scientists, politicians, artists, dancers, zookeepers, what ever relates to the book. These people will be shown in cartoon form, in their work environments. For example, I'm hoping to have "Kiki" interview a NASA scientist or astronaut, or some sort of astronomer, for the debut Solar System issue. Would you be able to run this new role for Kiki past the kids you talked to before, and see if this interests them? The character is in trouble of being eliminated by criticism from other users. -- user:zanimum
No problem. I'm glad you didn't mind; I don't normally edit other people's personal pages. :) &mdsah; tregoweth 00:03, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Oppose. I think 3 months on wikipedia should be more than enough time to grind down the rough edges. I prefer admins to be a little more active on chores and a little more sensitive to the needs of the community -- pretty much right away. The longer it takes a user to become accustomed to simple editing and discussion, the longer I expect them to wait for adminship. Also, I'd like to see more activity behind the scenes.
22:03, 2004 Dec 3 (hist) Talk:Battle of the Bulge (welcome to fourth grade english)
within the last week you behaved insultingly, your edit summary provided no info on the actual edit as well.
I don't think I need any more admins who behave insultingly, and the longer it takes for you to learn that, the longer I will expect you to work before I am willing to award you extra privileges. I think one week on wikipedia is plenty of time to learn good wiki manners.
I'd like to see more edits in the wikipedia: namespace and just all in all to notice you doing chores like reverting vandalism, helping to negotiate consensus, etc. Not that you haven't done those, but I am on an awful lot, and haven't noticed that much of what I would term chores from you. I read a lot more than I edit, so I generally expect to notice an admin candidate before they are nominated.
the community needs less insults and more politesse... "more lubrication and less friction" and even more so from an admin. You will probably become an admin anyway, but I find it odd that you are tracking your opposition and immediately interrogating them, particularly odd to have you query me twice before I can respond once. You haven't improved my opinion of you. Not that I have a bad opinion of you, there are far worse users, but you could take a look at the behavior of admins I HAVE supported, and you will note that their behavior is pretty near impeccable. Whether you gain adminship this time or not, I hope that my comments are of use to you. I don't bear you any ill will. Pedant 01:57, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
"public displays of disaffection". [8] Heh :-)
chocolateboy 22:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Pedant!
I nominated myself for adminship at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2 and would appreciate your vote. Ave!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:48, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Dear Pedant! I really appreciate your concern deleting a few lines from my correspondence with Tagishsimon, but now all there's left of it is my phrase "This is gonna be my last COTW nomination", which, taken out of the original context, makes me look like a hysterical user, who is upset for no apparent reason. If it hadn't been for Tagishsimon's harsh response to my comment, I would have never volunteered for discontinuing my participation in COTW. And now Tagishsimon's comment looks very neat and innocent, as if nothing happened. You should've deleted all of it or nothing at all. Is there anything that can be done? KNewman 21:49, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk)
Thanks for the message regarding this. Edwin 21:56, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There's no such thing as a WikiBank, it's called WikiMoney. And the difference between that and my scheme, Wikiclub is that the points in my scheme AREN'T TRANSFERRABLE! -- Computerjoe 11:07, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Posted on User_talk:ClockworkSoul
What do you want it to look like? I'll make one. Pedant 08:21, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
In response to
You wrote
However, it is in fact true not false.
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Salve, Pedant!
Many thanks for putting up the picture of
Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer and the
coelacanth on her page. Ave!
PedanticallySpeaking 18:06, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Slrubenstein
I've reformatted your comments here because I believe that your original version had some wikisyntax typographical errors that made it difficult to understand. Please look over my corrections and feel free to revert if need be. I changed no words/text, just formatting. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:49, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
If you have any interest. The vote looks close, but it wont be a wall of deletes like it was with the forked article. I'm almost glad someone finally nominated it: I think this sort of thing deserves more attention, as it might be useful elsewhere on wikipedia. Cool Hand Luke 04:52, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Pedant, can you clarify the claim that there is a possible copyvio from http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html ? - Mustafaa 18:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Congratulations, First Indochina War has been voted this week's Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. Please edit it to help raise it to featured article status.
I think it is a group of people thoroughly enjoying baiting one another. If CheeseDreams is a troll, I see people happily feeding him/her. You want me to condemn CheeseDreams for being smarter and funnier than his/her opponents? For being more willing to be upfront mean rather than backdoor mean? I don't understand. Dr Zen 02:36, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
AMA Member Advocate,
There's a poll currently in the AMA Homepage about making a new AMA Coordinator election. Please, cast your vote there (though it's not mandatory). Any comments you have about this, write it on the AMA Homepage talk page. Cheers, -- Neigel von Teighen 18:43, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As AMA Coordinator I am requesting that suggestions be placed on Wikipedia:AMA Membership Meeting plans for our first membership meeting, to be held in the near future, (hopefully before any election occurs.) Since we have never had any kind of "official" meeting we need to discuss how this will occur (i.e. Wiki pages or IRC channel), how it will be structured (i.e. meeting agenda) and if there will be any "chair" to supervise the meeting and meeting "secretary" to write up minutes or keep some kind of official record of what transpires. Thanks in advance for your input and your continued work as an advocate. — © Alex756 20:04, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://henrys-online.de/Webshop/de/dept_52.html <-- alle 65cm - Wieso ändert jemand einen fremden Satz, ohne sich mal handelsübliche Sticks anzuschauen? 70-100 ist ja wohl ein wenig zu lang.
Tut mir leid. Meine Devilsticks und die, denen ich bisher begegnet bin, waren alle länger - eben 70-100 cm - daher die Änderung. Gut, dass Du das wieder rückgängig gemacht hast. --Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez 2003 (CET)
"Eng verwandt ist der Devilstick mit dem Diabolo. Dies zeigt auch die englische Bezeichnung für das Diabolo "Devil and two Sticks"." <-- Kannst Du genau dann wieder reinstellen, wenn Du Belege findest. Wenn google nur zwei Hits liefert, die falsch geschriebene Erwähnungen des Buches "Devil on Two Sticks" von Alain R. Le Sage sind, ist das wohl mehr eine erfundene Ähnlichkeit der beiden Geräte in der englischen Sprache. Die beiden sind zwar uU sprachlich ähnlich, aber ich habe starke Zweifel daran, dass sie einen gemeinsamen Vorläufer haben.. Das Diabolo kommt ja eher von Kreisel/Jojo etc, während ich mir nicht vorstellen kann, dass der Devilstick sich jemals sinnvoll um die Längsachse gedreht hat.
--Hijackal, 07:42, 08. Dec 2003 (CET)
Ich habe mal in "Devil Stick" ( ISBN 3-924690-60-x Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: invalid character) von Todd Strong nachgeschlagen. Da heißt es: "Im Englischen heißt [das Diabolo] manchmal auch "devil on two sticks"." (Was falsch zu sein scheint.) Und weiter: "Die Ähnlichkeit zwischen dem Namen Devil Stick und Diabolo ist bemerkenswert. Eigentlich könnten wir sie als zwei Varianten des gleichen Spielzeugs betrachten." Das überzeugt mich nicht. Lassen wir es mal hier stehen, bis sich ein Beleg für einen geschichtlichen Zusammenhang der beiden findet. Das erscheint mir nämlich auch wie eine "hübsche", aber falsche Konstruktion. --Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez 2003 (CET)
vgl. meine Änderung
Die Änderung war: "(Der Devilstick wird manchmal auch Teufelsstab genannt.) Dies deshalb, weil sich der Name - ähnlich wie das bei Diabolo der Fall ist - aus dem griechischen herleiten lässt (dia ballein = hin- und her werfen). Das ist auch die Wurzel für 'Diabolo' = Teufel, weil der einen aus der 'Bahn des Lebens werfen will'." Das ist überhaupt nicht schlüssig, deshalb habe ich es gelöscht. Der Devilstick wird auch "Teufelsstab" genannt, weil das die wortwörtliche Übersetzung des Begriffs vom Englischen ins Deutsche ist. Die Verbindung "dia ballein" -> Devilstick erschließt sich mir nicht. (In Diabolo könnte die aber durchaus Sinn machen.) --Martin Roell 16:49, 13. Mär 2004 (CET)
Vgl. z.B. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9505940/zirkus/geschichte.html oder mal sich die Mühe machen ein ganz normales etymologisches Wörterbuch zu schauen oder z.b. jmd. fragen, der altgriechisch kann... Was einem selbst schlüssig erscheint ist häufig nicht wirklich relevant...
http: // henrys-online.de / web shop / de / dept_52.html <-all 65 cms - Why of Ð' ndert somebody a foreign sentence without looking sometimes handels Ñ Œ bliche Sticks? 70-100 is fine a little too long. Is sorry me. My Devilsticks and they whom I have met up to now were all l of Ð' nger - just 70-100 cms - hence, Ð " nderung. Well that you have done again r Ñ Œ ckg of Ð' ngig. - Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez in 2003 (CET) " is narrowly used the Devilstick with the Diabolo. This also shows the English one
This also shows the English name f Ñ Œ r the Diabolo "Devil and two Sticks". " <-c do you exactly again reinstellen when you find vouchers. If google only two hits delivers, the wrong written Erw of Ð' hnungen of the book "Devil on Two Sticks" of Alain R. Le legend are, is probably more fictitious Ð " hnlichkeit of both Ger of Ð' te into English language. Indeed, the both are uU linguistically of Ð' hnlich, but I have strong doubts about the fact that they have a common Vorl of Ð' ufer.
I have looked up sometimes in " Devil Embroidering " ( ISBN 3-924690-60-x Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: invalid character) from Todd Strong. Because hei Ð ¯ t it: " In the English hei Ð ¯ t [the Diabolo] sometimes also "devil on two sticks". " (What seems to be wrong.) And further: " Ð " hnlichkeit between the name Devil Embroidering and Diabolo is noteworthy. Actually, k Ñ +nnten we look at them as two variants of the same toy. " Ñ Œ berzeugt me not. If we leave it sometimes here, to himself a voucher f Ñ Œ r a historical connection of the both
Ð " nderung was: " (the Devilstick is sometimes called also devil's stick.) this, because itself the name - Ð' hnlich is the case like with Diabolo - from the Greek one derive l of Ð' sst (dia ballein = to and fro throw). This is also the root f Ñ Œ r 'Diabolo' = devil because one from the ' road of the life wants to throw '. " This is Ñ Œ berhaupt not schl Ñ Œ ssig, therefore, I have it gel Ñ +scht. The Devilstick is also called "devil's stick", because wortw Ñ +rtliche Ð ¬ bersetzung of the concept
Back in November, you added a title to the Man from UNCLE booklist, "The Catacombs and Dogma Affair". I can't find any reference to this book anywhere on Google or in any of my UNCLE references I have, nor does the exhaustive UK SF Booklist site list it. I pulled it out of the list and made reference to it in the context of "some sources mention another book..." Can you provide a source where this book is listed? Perhaps it was a retitled edition of one of the Ace Book editions? Thanks! 23skidoo 22:39, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see you answer the candidate's questions at RFA before I consider voting you. Not only the bragging, but also the other ones ;) Mgm| (talk) 12:04, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, OK. Thanks for correcting me. Odd for a National League pitcher, though... Meelar (talk) 22:57, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
we just don't want all those crappy unknown bands you are competing against to have articles. your name is right pedant, who are you to call my band crappy without hearing it? mister god in person? User:Tba03
Vote for or against me on my adminship the voting is pretty close, so if you have an opinion, vote. Pedant
If you are invovlved in the discussion, and I didn't already ask: Can you point me at a version of [Cultural and Historic background of Jesus] that is close to what you think is a correct version? And what parts of that version you think don't belong? Pedant 00:31, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)
Just thought i'd check up and see how your coming along with your scanning effort. Drop me a line over on my user talk page. Alkivar 06:13, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This is the agreed-on policy wikipedia-wide for naming articles about ships: Naming_conventions#Ship_names; and here, under 'scope' are the "new policies" of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Scope
For information regarding the other stated policies of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships, see:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Categorization;
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships#Index Pages;
The text was from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships which is online at 1. They did indeed use OCR to scan the data in. Thanks for catching that one.
As for the category, please check the other ship categories and notice that typically index pages are used for ships with the same names, rather than categories. After all, how many "ships named Enterprise" would there be? Jinian 18:01, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nice additions to the Nautilus article, 2 things though, please don't remove this article from Category:Ships named Nautilus, as it was a ship named Nautilus. Also did you use Optical character recognition to scan this data in? Would you check this phrase: "arid after provisioning" is that not supposed to be "and after provisioning"? Anyway, good job de-stubbifying the article. Looks great. Pedant 17:57, 2004 Nov 20 (UTC)
Most information about the style of ships' pages can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships. Index pages are discussed in section 2.1, but for brevity, it says Index articles about ships should include in their titles only the standard prefix used by that ship. Other identification should be omitted, so that a reader can easily locate the material sought; eg, name an index article simply "USS Enterprise." So, instead of an article entitled "Ships named Nautilus", to be in line with what every other ship article in Wikipedia looks like, it would be "USS Nautilus" (Moving the current page to one with this title is now on my list of things to do, after I noticed the problem.) See USS Enterprise for an example of what a ship index page looks like. Then each ship goes into the proper category based on the type of ship it was/is (destroyer/sloop/aircraft carrier/gunboat/tug, whatever).
Thanks. So the Lady Washington wasn't ever the USS Lady Washington? Did you find some reference where she was referred to as the USS Lady Washington? That's the one question I asked several times. If you did, where was that reference? Thanks again. Pedant 16:41, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
and
So what I get from that is that
comments welcome. Pedant 17:36, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
(You have to interpret the naming convention in the light of its practical application, and not in a legalistic fashion. I didn't write it for interpretation by a court, but by sensible people.) Re "USS Lady Washington": We have a convention at Wikipedia of putting ship prefixes in article titles for ships that historically weren't always referred to with that prefix. For example, "HMS" was first used in the late 18th century, but we still have articles like HMS Royal Charles (1655). This is because (1) it makes it simple to title the article; (2) avoids the many disputes that would arise when there is doubt over how the ship was named by its contemporaries; (3) Royal Charles was His Majesty's Ship, so the title is right. In the case of Lady Washington if we disallowed "USS" because of the anachronism we would probably call the article "United States Ship Lady Washington". But then why not abbreviate that rather cumbersome name to "USS Lady Washington"? Gdr 20:30, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
I think I'm responsible for at least one generation of the "list all ships" phrase, and at the time it seemed so obvious that it meant ships of a particular navy that I didn't even think to state that specifically. In practice, the most common situation needing disambiguation is an "HMS Enterprise" reference; the next most common might be Enterprise, which you can see is already a disambig that includes HMS and USS forms as "sub-disambiguators". In any case, we now have hundreds if not thousands of articles following the per-navy convention; anybody who wants us to change conventions should at the very least sign up to change them all, so things continue to be consistent. As to whether ships named Enterprise is a worthwhile article in its own right, that is to some extent a matter of taste. Having read thousands of ship histories now, it seems pretty rare that there's any real significance to the reuse of names; it would be like having a narrative article for people named John Smith. Stan 23:24, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"Having read thousands of ship histories now, it seems pretty rare that there's any real significance to the reuse of names; it would be like having a narrative article for people named John Smith"
The use of "USS" for Continental ships has been troubling me for some time. There was a statute (turn-of-the-century?) that changed the old USF etc to USS for all vessels; it's possible that the fine print made "USS" officially retroactive for Continental Navy vessels. Many sources don't even use prefixes, but they also don't do hyperlinking on our scale, which makes it a problem unique to WP. I'm certainly interested in the evidence for and against using "USS", and how alternatives would handle the existing body of articles, plus how to inform future editors what they should do. In any case, we should continue on the project and/or naming conventions talk pages, that's why they exist (individual users clean up their talk pages, so not the best place to have an on-the-record debate). Stan 23:39, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I see you're pretty new here, but have already gotten embroiled in a bit of a fight. Sorry about that! In the couple of years that WP has been around, we've evolved a number of conventions intended to facilitate construction of the encyclopedia, and to reduce the number of disputes. Almost no one is totally happy with the body of standards and policy, but they support it as an alternative to incessant arguing about the same old things. So if you wade in, tell the oldtimers how they're all wrong, and start doing things in a completely different way, you're not going to get a positive reaction. It would work better to spend your time asking people why things are the way they are first, and fixing existing articles rather than leaving them with mistakes, and creating new articles that duplicate much content. I welcome your ideas and am pleased to have another person interested in naval things, so let's see if we can get started off on the right foot. Stan 02:45, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
OK, I see, you have been around WP for awhile. In that case I'm puzzled by your behavior with respect to ship articles; you're presumably familiar with the existing consensus for naming and content, and proposed changes are worked on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships - in fact there are several ongoing debates there, for which I and others have been doing library research before committing to changing lots of articles - but yet you silently chose to work at cross-purposes to that consensus. You see from the recent edit history of ships named Nautilus that it's going to be hard to defend the article from random editors who simply follow the guidelines that they see written down somewhere. That for me is the real underlying reason to develop consensus and rationale for an idea; while you're working on water heater and I'm pruning shrubs, we want other editors to agree with our additions and improve on them, rather than messing them up. Stan 04:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"categories deleted before they could even be populated" - heh, that's happened to me a couple times, it is very annoying! I think one thing that gets a bad reaction is that you do things like characterize "USS Nautilus" as "flawed at it's premise" - the dozen-odd people who've worked a lot on naval articles pride themselves on seeking for accuracy, and you come off as dissing them en masse. When I've done research on ship prefixes and their usage, I've found that it's been very inconsistent - authors are all over the place, navies report their current usage and profess ignorance that it was different in the past, etc. That's why it would have been better to bring it up at the project page first; while you make some good points, I think other editors are apprehensive of the potential for chaos, especially if you're not signing up to fix the hundreds of articles and thousands of links that would be affected. Stan 05:31, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
When I see an article that seem drastically wrong in some way, or inconsistent project rules, but the edit histories shows that a number of people active in the topic must have reviewed and accepted them in that form, I assume that there's a underlying reason and ask on talk pages first. Frequently my questions get other people to realize their mistakes, and they jump to fix the problem - everybody wins. Stan 17:00, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Pedant 22:38, 2004 Nov 24 (UTC)
You might not want to call too much attention to your complaints about the ships project - others will look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships and see that you've made exactly two additions to it so far, and that a number of your remarks there and elsewhere are bordering on personal attacks, which can get you in trouble. If you're going to keep making claims of false information, I expect to start seeing some citations to published literature, not unverifiable references to some conversation you might have had. BTW, I'm putting my note because you've totally scrambled your talk page with redirs and such. Stan 18:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
USS Nautilus says "The first Nautilus, was a schooner that served against the Tripolitan pirates and into the War of 1812"
and
Nautilus (1800) says "Nautilus was the first practical submarine, commissioned by Napoleon and designed by the American inventor Robert Fulton, then living in France. Launched in 1800...".
I'm confused about what the problems are. It seems to be that there are several issues that need discussing:
I find much of the discussion above difficult to follow because it keeps slipping from one issue to another. I also think it would be best if this whole discussion continued in the relevant sections of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships where participants are more likely to read it. Gdr 13:03, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)
Thanks for your support! -- jpgordon{ gab} 04:31, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Putting this link here will undoubtably attract Slrubenstein and Sam Spade and company to the link destination. Nethertheless, would you like to comment? CheeseDreams 19:23, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams
Oh, you might also like to see the nuclear option
Pedant, I'm not sure I've seen a version that I feel gets the balance exactly right, but I haven't looked through the pre-edit conflict versions. I think that the version of the article currently protected is better than the FT2 version, and I noted my issues with each version earlier on the talk page. At any rate, my basic feeling, in terms of how much Jesus should be in the article, is that the article should not be about Jesus, but that it should be about the context of Jesus. To discuss context, there ought to be some necessary reference to what is being contextualized. Thus, discussion of the Pharisees should indicate how the Pharisees relate to the Jesus story, and so forth. john k 00:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I would start with the article in its current, protected form [1], and then make the changes I outlined (but honestly, I took into account what others had said), here: [2]. If you look at the article in its protected form, after section 3 "sources" is sections 4-7, starting with "material from earlier version." When I was revising the article, I left this material in as a courtesy: in case others thought any content from it should be in the article, people could move it to the appropriate spot. Personally, I think all of this material could be deleted.
This is the version I really do not like: [3]. Here [4] are my reasons for not liking this version (I call it FT2's ultimate version using "ultimate" to mean "latest.")
I hope this is clear. Slrubenstein
I don't have a version I can point to, per se, as one I prefer. I do think it should be organized more or less chronologically, rather than divided up by topic. And as I said before on the article's talk page, I think the article should say just enough about Jesus for the reader to know why everyone thinks this background stuff is worth learning about.
Wesley 04:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Since you created the category and may have been watchlisting it, I thought I should mention that I moved it over to Category:Waste management to conform with Wikipedia capitalization standards. Unfortunately there's no automated function for that so I had to create a new page and delete the old one. Just in case you wondered where it had disappeared off to. Bryan 05:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The project is going from the Christian point of view of what the "Bible" is... Obviously, there is a big overlap with the Hebrew Bible, and there is not consensus about the right thing to do when the project overlaps with Wikiproject Judaism. Unfortunately, I announced the project right before Sukkoth, so the participants in Judaism who were going to comment haven't done so... Mpolo 20:15, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
Hi there. I was wondering if you could help out a bit with Fact and Reference Check's biweekly special article. AFAIK I am the only one who has been helping out with it...I'm disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm for this. Anyways, if you get a chance, we would really appreciate your help. As of now, we're not really referencing 'properly' because it causes numerous problems. Not only does it force readers to jump around a lot, but if you need to add a footnote in, you're forced to manually update the rest of the footnotes (search for all the footnotes in the article, and add one to each). This is quite a pain, and doesn't warrant the advantages...besides, the current guidelines for referencing with footnotes actually encourages linking directly to the source. [5] Thanks for your time. -[[User:Frazzydee| Frazzydee| ✍]] 22:27, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I notice you created the picture-free article. It was deleted because it split the article into two complete versions that aren't edited in tandem. I believe I've solved this problem. Basically, I've turned the main article into a template with parameters enbedded in the image tags. When it's used as a template from a subpage with the parameter set to "-5px", the images error out. This makes a version of the page without images, but one that's still based on one and only one article.
See Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse/pictures suppressed. Cool Hand Luke 08:10, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If you remember back a little bit, you were kind enough to test the idea of Kiki with nine kids. You said they were interested in her, as long as she were intelligent. Since then, Kiki has developed into a character that appears on ever few pages in the books, and occasionally interviews real-life scientists, politicians, artists, dancers, zookeepers, what ever relates to the book. These people will be shown in cartoon form, in their work environments. For example, I'm hoping to have "Kiki" interview a NASA scientist or astronaut, or some sort of astronomer, for the debut Solar System issue. Would you be able to run this new role for Kiki past the kids you talked to before, and see if this interests them? The character is in trouble of being eliminated by criticism from other users. -- user:zanimum
No problem. I'm glad you didn't mind; I don't normally edit other people's personal pages. :) &mdsah; tregoweth 00:03, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Oppose. I think 3 months on wikipedia should be more than enough time to grind down the rough edges. I prefer admins to be a little more active on chores and a little more sensitive to the needs of the community -- pretty much right away. The longer it takes a user to become accustomed to simple editing and discussion, the longer I expect them to wait for adminship. Also, I'd like to see more activity behind the scenes.
22:03, 2004 Dec 3 (hist) Talk:Battle of the Bulge (welcome to fourth grade english)
within the last week you behaved insultingly, your edit summary provided no info on the actual edit as well.
I don't think I need any more admins who behave insultingly, and the longer it takes for you to learn that, the longer I will expect you to work before I am willing to award you extra privileges. I think one week on wikipedia is plenty of time to learn good wiki manners.
I'd like to see more edits in the wikipedia: namespace and just all in all to notice you doing chores like reverting vandalism, helping to negotiate consensus, etc. Not that you haven't done those, but I am on an awful lot, and haven't noticed that much of what I would term chores from you. I read a lot more than I edit, so I generally expect to notice an admin candidate before they are nominated.
the community needs less insults and more politesse... "more lubrication and less friction" and even more so from an admin. You will probably become an admin anyway, but I find it odd that you are tracking your opposition and immediately interrogating them, particularly odd to have you query me twice before I can respond once. You haven't improved my opinion of you. Not that I have a bad opinion of you, there are far worse users, but you could take a look at the behavior of admins I HAVE supported, and you will note that their behavior is pretty near impeccable. Whether you gain adminship this time or not, I hope that my comments are of use to you. I don't bear you any ill will. Pedant 01:57, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
"public displays of disaffection". [8] Heh :-)
chocolateboy 22:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Pedant!
I nominated myself for adminship at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2 and would appreciate your vote. Ave!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:48, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Dear Pedant! I really appreciate your concern deleting a few lines from my correspondence with Tagishsimon, but now all there's left of it is my phrase "This is gonna be my last COTW nomination", which, taken out of the original context, makes me look like a hysterical user, who is upset for no apparent reason. If it hadn't been for Tagishsimon's harsh response to my comment, I would have never volunteered for discontinuing my participation in COTW. And now Tagishsimon's comment looks very neat and innocent, as if nothing happened. You should've deleted all of it or nothing at all. Is there anything that can be done? KNewman 21:49, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk)
Thanks for the message regarding this. Edwin 21:56, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There's no such thing as a WikiBank, it's called WikiMoney. And the difference between that and my scheme, Wikiclub is that the points in my scheme AREN'T TRANSFERRABLE! -- Computerjoe 11:07, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Posted on User_talk:ClockworkSoul
What do you want it to look like? I'll make one. Pedant 08:21, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
In response to
You wrote
However, it is in fact true not false.
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Salve, Pedant!
Many thanks for putting up the picture of
Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer and the
coelacanth on her page. Ave!
PedanticallySpeaking 18:06, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Slrubenstein
I've reformatted your comments here because I believe that your original version had some wikisyntax typographical errors that made it difficult to understand. Please look over my corrections and feel free to revert if need be. I changed no words/text, just formatting. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:49, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
If you have any interest. The vote looks close, but it wont be a wall of deletes like it was with the forked article. I'm almost glad someone finally nominated it: I think this sort of thing deserves more attention, as it might be useful elsewhere on wikipedia. Cool Hand Luke 04:52, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Pedant, can you clarify the claim that there is a possible copyvio from http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html ? - Mustafaa 18:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Congratulations, First Indochina War has been voted this week's Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. Please edit it to help raise it to featured article status.
I think it is a group of people thoroughly enjoying baiting one another. If CheeseDreams is a troll, I see people happily feeding him/her. You want me to condemn CheeseDreams for being smarter and funnier than his/her opponents? For being more willing to be upfront mean rather than backdoor mean? I don't understand. Dr Zen 02:36, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
AMA Member Advocate,
There's a poll currently in the AMA Homepage about making a new AMA Coordinator election. Please, cast your vote there (though it's not mandatory). Any comments you have about this, write it on the AMA Homepage talk page. Cheers, -- Neigel von Teighen 18:43, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As AMA Coordinator I am requesting that suggestions be placed on Wikipedia:AMA Membership Meeting plans for our first membership meeting, to be held in the near future, (hopefully before any election occurs.) Since we have never had any kind of "official" meeting we need to discuss how this will occur (i.e. Wiki pages or IRC channel), how it will be structured (i.e. meeting agenda) and if there will be any "chair" to supervise the meeting and meeting "secretary" to write up minutes or keep some kind of official record of what transpires. Thanks in advance for your input and your continued work as an advocate. — © Alex756 20:04, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://henrys-online.de/Webshop/de/dept_52.html <-- alle 65cm - Wieso ändert jemand einen fremden Satz, ohne sich mal handelsübliche Sticks anzuschauen? 70-100 ist ja wohl ein wenig zu lang.
Tut mir leid. Meine Devilsticks und die, denen ich bisher begegnet bin, waren alle länger - eben 70-100 cm - daher die Änderung. Gut, dass Du das wieder rückgängig gemacht hast. --Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez 2003 (CET)
"Eng verwandt ist der Devilstick mit dem Diabolo. Dies zeigt auch die englische Bezeichnung für das Diabolo "Devil and two Sticks"." <-- Kannst Du genau dann wieder reinstellen, wenn Du Belege findest. Wenn google nur zwei Hits liefert, die falsch geschriebene Erwähnungen des Buches "Devil on Two Sticks" von Alain R. Le Sage sind, ist das wohl mehr eine erfundene Ähnlichkeit der beiden Geräte in der englischen Sprache. Die beiden sind zwar uU sprachlich ähnlich, aber ich habe starke Zweifel daran, dass sie einen gemeinsamen Vorläufer haben.. Das Diabolo kommt ja eher von Kreisel/Jojo etc, während ich mir nicht vorstellen kann, dass der Devilstick sich jemals sinnvoll um die Längsachse gedreht hat.
--Hijackal, 07:42, 08. Dec 2003 (CET)
Ich habe mal in "Devil Stick" ( ISBN 3-924690-60-x Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: invalid character) von Todd Strong nachgeschlagen. Da heißt es: "Im Englischen heißt [das Diabolo] manchmal auch "devil on two sticks"." (Was falsch zu sein scheint.) Und weiter: "Die Ähnlichkeit zwischen dem Namen Devil Stick und Diabolo ist bemerkenswert. Eigentlich könnten wir sie als zwei Varianten des gleichen Spielzeugs betrachten." Das überzeugt mich nicht. Lassen wir es mal hier stehen, bis sich ein Beleg für einen geschichtlichen Zusammenhang der beiden findet. Das erscheint mir nämlich auch wie eine "hübsche", aber falsche Konstruktion. --Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez 2003 (CET)
vgl. meine Änderung
Die Änderung war: "(Der Devilstick wird manchmal auch Teufelsstab genannt.) Dies deshalb, weil sich der Name - ähnlich wie das bei Diabolo der Fall ist - aus dem griechischen herleiten lässt (dia ballein = hin- und her werfen). Das ist auch die Wurzel für 'Diabolo' = Teufel, weil der einen aus der 'Bahn des Lebens werfen will'." Das ist überhaupt nicht schlüssig, deshalb habe ich es gelöscht. Der Devilstick wird auch "Teufelsstab" genannt, weil das die wortwörtliche Übersetzung des Begriffs vom Englischen ins Deutsche ist. Die Verbindung "dia ballein" -> Devilstick erschließt sich mir nicht. (In Diabolo könnte die aber durchaus Sinn machen.) --Martin Roell 16:49, 13. Mär 2004 (CET)
Vgl. z.B. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9505940/zirkus/geschichte.html oder mal sich die Mühe machen ein ganz normales etymologisches Wörterbuch zu schauen oder z.b. jmd. fragen, der altgriechisch kann... Was einem selbst schlüssig erscheint ist häufig nicht wirklich relevant...
http: // henrys-online.de / web shop / de / dept_52.html <-all 65 cms - Why of Ð' ndert somebody a foreign sentence without looking sometimes handels Ñ Œ bliche Sticks? 70-100 is fine a little too long. Is sorry me. My Devilsticks and they whom I have met up to now were all l of Ð' nger - just 70-100 cms - hence, Ð " nderung. Well that you have done again r Ñ Œ ckg of Ð' ngig. - Martin Roell 17:47, 8. Dez in 2003 (CET) " is narrowly used the Devilstick with the Diabolo. This also shows the English one
This also shows the English name f Ñ Œ r the Diabolo "Devil and two Sticks". " <-c do you exactly again reinstellen when you find vouchers. If google only two hits delivers, the wrong written Erw of Ð' hnungen of the book "Devil on Two Sticks" of Alain R. Le legend are, is probably more fictitious Ð " hnlichkeit of both Ger of Ð' te into English language. Indeed, the both are uU linguistically of Ð' hnlich, but I have strong doubts about the fact that they have a common Vorl of Ð' ufer.
I have looked up sometimes in " Devil Embroidering " ( ISBN 3-924690-60-x Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: invalid character) from Todd Strong. Because hei Ð ¯ t it: " In the English hei Ð ¯ t [the Diabolo] sometimes also "devil on two sticks". " (What seems to be wrong.) And further: " Ð " hnlichkeit between the name Devil Embroidering and Diabolo is noteworthy. Actually, k Ñ +nnten we look at them as two variants of the same toy. " Ñ Œ berzeugt me not. If we leave it sometimes here, to himself a voucher f Ñ Œ r a historical connection of the both
Ð " nderung was: " (the Devilstick is sometimes called also devil's stick.) this, because itself the name - Ð' hnlich is the case like with Diabolo - from the Greek one derive l of Ð' sst (dia ballein = to and fro throw). This is also the root f Ñ Œ r 'Diabolo' = devil because one from the ' road of the life wants to throw '. " This is Ñ Œ berhaupt not schl Ñ Œ ssig, therefore, I have it gel Ñ +scht. The Devilstick is also called "devil's stick", because wortw Ñ +rtliche Ð ¬ bersetzung of the concept
Back in November, you added a title to the Man from UNCLE booklist, "The Catacombs and Dogma Affair". I can't find any reference to this book anywhere on Google or in any of my UNCLE references I have, nor does the exhaustive UK SF Booklist site list it. I pulled it out of the list and made reference to it in the context of "some sources mention another book..." Can you provide a source where this book is listed? Perhaps it was a retitled edition of one of the Ace Book editions? Thanks! 23skidoo 22:39, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see you answer the candidate's questions at RFA before I consider voting you. Not only the bragging, but also the other ones ;) Mgm| (talk) 12:04, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, OK. Thanks for correcting me. Odd for a National League pitcher, though... Meelar (talk) 22:57, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
we just don't want all those crappy unknown bands you are competing against to have articles. your name is right pedant, who are you to call my band crappy without hearing it? mister god in person? User:Tba03