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Hey, sorry I took so long. Distractions in the real world, doncha know. :)
What you suggest would be wonderful! Automating the process could be tricksy, though. I can tell you that the List of Registered Historic Places in Florida is done, 'cause I did it. :)
Let me throw out potential problems, just to make you aware. One thing is the multiple listing of the same name. Like Webster County Courthouse or Washington County Courthouse for example, but there's loads of others. They'd need to be filtered out so it'd only be listings that show up one time in the whole NRHP database.
There's also the thing of alternate names. I know there are articles for NRHP sites on Wikipedia under names that aren't the same as the gov't database has. That's not too bad an issue, though. Those stubs could always be changed to redirects, and the info added to the existing article.
It'd probably be best to do one state at a time, and contact the state's WikiProject to give them a headsup. I'd suggest starting with Illinois, as they have a good active group, and User:IvoShandor is a member of our group and that one.
That's just off the top of my head. I'd say the main thing to do is break it into manageable chunks, like by state. Also the automation method. Hmm. I'm not too familiar with bots, though I'd think that would be the ideal way. There's always AutoWikiBrowser, but that requires pushing a button. Though that might be better, as letting a bot run hogwild could cause problems.
Anyway, hope that helps, and let's see if we can get 'er dun. :) - Ebyabe 20:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The NRIS is a few weeks (months) out of date with some listings never entered - Spirit Mountain, Nevada comes to mind and it was added in 1999. Some uniformity should be adopted. I went through the state lists and the articles range from god-awful to quite good. Einbierbitte 21:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi - a stub category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please wait until discussion is completed! Grutness... wha? 02:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You bring up a good question. I only do the historic district listing because 1) the guideline for doing so exists on the Project page and 2) the district has a unique NR reference number. Logically, a boundary increase would include more contributors, which may merit a separate listing. But you raise an interesting question nonetheless. I'll defer to majority rule on this - if these merit a separate listing or not.
Thanks for the update on Spirit Mountain. Einbierbitte 21:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for doing some newpage patrol. When you run into a newpage that is clearly a copyright violation from some external website, it's more appropriate to tag the article with the speedy deletion template {{ db-copyvio}} than to report the article to the copyright problems noticeboard. Also, please make sure to notify the creator of the page that his new article will be deleted for those reasons. (Oh and all of this is referring to Portsea Surf Life Saving Club which I've just deleted!) Cheers! Pascal.Tesson 03:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, to address the urban population numbers which you are contesting--those can be found on another Wikipedia page which has the references. I'm not just pulling these numbers out of thin air. Most of the American cities on Wikipedia have their urban population listed which correlates with the Wikipedia article which lists them. None of these pages have any specific reference to the urban population sources however--what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can check the numbers and references for yourself, but I'm not going to argue on this point. If you insist on leaving it out, then so be it.
Secondly, the population densities that I have repeatedly changed reflect the new population numbers of the city. The numbers that you keep reverting back to are not correct and, as such, I will be reverting your revision back to the correct numbers that I have calculated. Population densities were never listed by the Census Bureau to begin with so I don't know what information you are referencing. If so, you should include your reference in the footnotes as well.
Thirdly, each time that this has happened you have simply reverted it back to the former state without considering that there may have been other changes made. I had cleaned up the code so that it was in the proper order and with proper spacing & nomenclature. I would appreciate it if, in the future, you would just change that which you have a problem with. To avoid this in this situation, I will be sure to do my format revision before changing back the population densities. tpetross 08:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey there. I see you run a bot that uses C#. What do you type into cmd or whatever you use to launch the bot? Is there a specific compile and run that you use that you could point me too? Thanks! ~ Wikihermit 02:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem--feel free to revert the stub change part. When I'm 'head's down' new pages patrol I often don't notice editor's 'grand schemes'. I had no idea people were doing county-granularity stubs nowadays--seems excessive to me, but I'll leave that to people more involved with stubs than I am. One comment on the project, articles that don't need disambiguation in their titles shouldn't have disambiguation in the titles. I don't know how difficult it would be to automate, but it (theoretically/for sake of argument--I just noticed another issue with the title) should have been created at Cedric G. Boulter and Patricia Neils House, instead of having a redirect from there. The second problem I just noticed is that your bot seems to have mis-interpreted the comma order in the title from NRIS--based on this it appears the actual name is probably Cedric G. and Patricia Neils Boulter House--that's probably even more difficult to remedy in an automated way, I imagine. Anyway, I think its great you're trying to tackle this void in WIkipedia, and hope you can fine-tune any wrinkles away. Seattlenow 02:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log. -- ST47 Talk 12:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Could you write a quick bot script in C# for me? I'll explain what I need as best I can. I use a pywikipedia bot to search special:newpages for copy vios. However, it just saves it to a text file. I need the bot to upload the new text in the text file to a userpage in its subpages for other users to see. Do you think you will be able to do this? Do you think you could do it to replace old sections with new ones so the page in the user space doesn't get too big? Thanks! ~ Wikihermit 19:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you just started up a bot to create stubs on National Register of Historic Places articles. I created this infobox generator a few months ago, so I'd be willing to help with any questions you have about the database.
One thing you might be interested in is some code that reads the geographic coordinate database and converts those locations to degree/minute/second coordinates, as used in the infobox. It reads the geographic database and converts the Universal Transverse Mercator coordinate system coordinates to degrees. There's some tricky math involved, but fortunately I got the tricky math from another site. The infobox code is in PHP, but it should be easy enough to read it and convert it to C#.
Let me know if you're interested in it. Also, you might want to mention at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places that your bot is now up and running. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I've posted the code for the infobox generator at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.txt (the main infobox generator) and http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/utmconvert.txt (the UTM to degree/minute/second converter). You can look at the calculations in utmconvert.txt to see how I'm converting UTM to degree/minute/second coordinates.
As far as the geocoding in your example, it's possible that the people who did the geocoding for the buildings didn't use exactly the same datum or the same addresses. In fact, I've never seen the database of geocoded buildings before. (If I had, I could have saved myself some effort in learning how to convert UTM to degree/minute/second coordinates.) I don't know if those discrepancies from the example are a big deal, since I generally haven't gone back to check on the coordinates in infoboxes that I've created, but I might check on them in a little more detail now. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Those articles look really good. Einbierbitte 19:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
You are absolutely welcome to restore the disambigs, when there are reasons for there to be disambigs. Disambigs are for navigating between multiple pages on the project. At the moment, the ones I am reverting only have one destination on the project. Redirects are the proper navigation tool for single items. When you have multiple destinations, disambigs will be proper. Until then, the redirects are the correct form. I'm finding these because they are showing up on the short pages reports, and I regularly do short pages patrolling. Anyway, given that they are not proper disambigs, why do they need to be broken disambigs right now, instead of proper redirects that you can convert back to disambigs as you actually create the extra articles that make them proper disambigs? - TexasAndroid 14:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert me on this one? By Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Introductory line your disambig is not properly formatted. I standardized the format. This has nothing to do with our other debate, as this one has multiple destinations just fine. But it was badly formatted, I fixed the formatting, and you reverted my fix. - TexasAndroid 15:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, sorry I took so long. Distractions in the real world, doncha know. :)
What you suggest would be wonderful! Automating the process could be tricksy, though. I can tell you that the List of Registered Historic Places in Florida is done, 'cause I did it. :)
Let me throw out potential problems, just to make you aware. One thing is the multiple listing of the same name. Like Webster County Courthouse or Washington County Courthouse for example, but there's loads of others. They'd need to be filtered out so it'd only be listings that show up one time in the whole NRHP database.
There's also the thing of alternate names. I know there are articles for NRHP sites on Wikipedia under names that aren't the same as the gov't database has. That's not too bad an issue, though. Those stubs could always be changed to redirects, and the info added to the existing article.
It'd probably be best to do one state at a time, and contact the state's WikiProject to give them a headsup. I'd suggest starting with Illinois, as they have a good active group, and User:IvoShandor is a member of our group and that one.
That's just off the top of my head. I'd say the main thing to do is break it into manageable chunks, like by state. Also the automation method. Hmm. I'm not too familiar with bots, though I'd think that would be the ideal way. There's always AutoWikiBrowser, but that requires pushing a button. Though that might be better, as letting a bot run hogwild could cause problems.
Anyway, hope that helps, and let's see if we can get 'er dun. :) - Ebyabe 20:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The NRIS is a few weeks (months) out of date with some listings never entered - Spirit Mountain, Nevada comes to mind and it was added in 1999. Some uniformity should be adopted. I went through the state lists and the articles range from god-awful to quite good. Einbierbitte 21:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi - a stub category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please wait until discussion is completed! Grutness... wha? 02:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You bring up a good question. I only do the historic district listing because 1) the guideline for doing so exists on the Project page and 2) the district has a unique NR reference number. Logically, a boundary increase would include more contributors, which may merit a separate listing. But you raise an interesting question nonetheless. I'll defer to majority rule on this - if these merit a separate listing or not.
Thanks for the update on Spirit Mountain. Einbierbitte 21:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for doing some newpage patrol. When you run into a newpage that is clearly a copyright violation from some external website, it's more appropriate to tag the article with the speedy deletion template {{ db-copyvio}} than to report the article to the copyright problems noticeboard. Also, please make sure to notify the creator of the page that his new article will be deleted for those reasons. (Oh and all of this is referring to Portsea Surf Life Saving Club which I've just deleted!) Cheers! Pascal.Tesson 03:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, to address the urban population numbers which you are contesting--those can be found on another Wikipedia page which has the references. I'm not just pulling these numbers out of thin air. Most of the American cities on Wikipedia have their urban population listed which correlates with the Wikipedia article which lists them. None of these pages have any specific reference to the urban population sources however--what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can check the numbers and references for yourself, but I'm not going to argue on this point. If you insist on leaving it out, then so be it.
Secondly, the population densities that I have repeatedly changed reflect the new population numbers of the city. The numbers that you keep reverting back to are not correct and, as such, I will be reverting your revision back to the correct numbers that I have calculated. Population densities were never listed by the Census Bureau to begin with so I don't know what information you are referencing. If so, you should include your reference in the footnotes as well.
Thirdly, each time that this has happened you have simply reverted it back to the former state without considering that there may have been other changes made. I had cleaned up the code so that it was in the proper order and with proper spacing & nomenclature. I would appreciate it if, in the future, you would just change that which you have a problem with. To avoid this in this situation, I will be sure to do my format revision before changing back the population densities. tpetross 08:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey there. I see you run a bot that uses C#. What do you type into cmd or whatever you use to launch the bot? Is there a specific compile and run that you use that you could point me too? Thanks! ~ Wikihermit 02:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem--feel free to revert the stub change part. When I'm 'head's down' new pages patrol I often don't notice editor's 'grand schemes'. I had no idea people were doing county-granularity stubs nowadays--seems excessive to me, but I'll leave that to people more involved with stubs than I am. One comment on the project, articles that don't need disambiguation in their titles shouldn't have disambiguation in the titles. I don't know how difficult it would be to automate, but it (theoretically/for sake of argument--I just noticed another issue with the title) should have been created at Cedric G. Boulter and Patricia Neils House, instead of having a redirect from there. The second problem I just noticed is that your bot seems to have mis-interpreted the comma order in the title from NRIS--based on this it appears the actual name is probably Cedric G. and Patricia Neils Boulter House--that's probably even more difficult to remedy in an automated way, I imagine. Anyway, I think its great you're trying to tackle this void in WIkipedia, and hope you can fine-tune any wrinkles away. Seattlenow 02:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log. -- ST47 Talk 12:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Could you write a quick bot script in C# for me? I'll explain what I need as best I can. I use a pywikipedia bot to search special:newpages for copy vios. However, it just saves it to a text file. I need the bot to upload the new text in the text file to a userpage in its subpages for other users to see. Do you think you will be able to do this? Do you think you could do it to replace old sections with new ones so the page in the user space doesn't get too big? Thanks! ~ Wikihermit 19:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you just started up a bot to create stubs on National Register of Historic Places articles. I created this infobox generator a few months ago, so I'd be willing to help with any questions you have about the database.
One thing you might be interested in is some code that reads the geographic coordinate database and converts those locations to degree/minute/second coordinates, as used in the infobox. It reads the geographic database and converts the Universal Transverse Mercator coordinate system coordinates to degrees. There's some tricky math involved, but fortunately I got the tricky math from another site. The infobox code is in PHP, but it should be easy enough to read it and convert it to C#.
Let me know if you're interested in it. Also, you might want to mention at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places that your bot is now up and running. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I've posted the code for the infobox generator at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.txt (the main infobox generator) and http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/utmconvert.txt (the UTM to degree/minute/second converter). You can look at the calculations in utmconvert.txt to see how I'm converting UTM to degree/minute/second coordinates.
As far as the geocoding in your example, it's possible that the people who did the geocoding for the buildings didn't use exactly the same datum or the same addresses. In fact, I've never seen the database of geocoded buildings before. (If I had, I could have saved myself some effort in learning how to convert UTM to degree/minute/second coordinates.) I don't know if those discrepancies from the example are a big deal, since I generally haven't gone back to check on the coordinates in infoboxes that I've created, but I might check on them in a little more detail now. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Those articles look really good. Einbierbitte 19:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
You are absolutely welcome to restore the disambigs, when there are reasons for there to be disambigs. Disambigs are for navigating between multiple pages on the project. At the moment, the ones I am reverting only have one destination on the project. Redirects are the proper navigation tool for single items. When you have multiple destinations, disambigs will be proper. Until then, the redirects are the correct form. I'm finding these because they are showing up on the short pages reports, and I regularly do short pages patrolling. Anyway, given that they are not proper disambigs, why do they need to be broken disambigs right now, instead of proper redirects that you can convert back to disambigs as you actually create the extra articles that make them proper disambigs? - TexasAndroid 14:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert me on this one? By Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Introductory line your disambig is not properly formatted. I standardized the format. This has nothing to do with our other debate, as this one has multiple destinations just fine. But it was badly formatted, I fixed the formatting, and you reverted my fix. - TexasAndroid 15:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)