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I made a slight eding in the Thaksin Shinawatra article. The following changes were made:
From - "A Bangkok poll taken 3 weeks after Thaksin's announcement found that Thaksin and TRT were still overwhelming popular in Bangkok, with 54% preferring TRT and 7% preferring the Democrats."
To - "A Bangkok poll taken 3 weeks after Thaksin's announcement found that TRT policies were still overwhelmingly popular in Bangkok, with 54.2% preferring TRT policies versus 7.5% for the Democrats."
You talk about being biased, but you instead write seemingly referenced articles laced with misinformation.
You also say that you support democracy. Thaksin's government, although a democratic one, is a democracy in its worst form, majoritarianism. Right now Thais are like lemmings. I, as a physician, believe in meritocracy. Majority could be wrong.
Vandalism? I believe we are talking about conflict of view. Moreover, what I wrote is not untrue. Also, this is a public webpage and any information written is viewed by others. Your own article is not as neutral as you think. How would you consider my calling Thaksin's recent visits to other head of states "unsolicited" vandalism, while the truth of the matter is:
1. He personally asked various ambassabors to arrange these visits for him, which clearly showed that he was not "invited".
2. His meetings with some of leaders were remarkably brief, showing its insignificance. 3. He stopped to meet Arroyo unannounced, resulting his request for an audience being turned down.
How could you call my comment about Panthongthae vandalism, while the boy is notorious for his academic incompetence. The reason for this is for speculation about his cheating allegations. Shouldn't it also be noted that the officials who investigated this case are quickly promoted? Also, if you take offense in the article's edition, I wonder whether you have read the previous article prior to the current one that exits? Would the person who wrote it, later found that his article is written anew, consider this edition "vandalism"?
As I was saying, this is a public webpage. I wouldn't be doing what I am doing if that article, when read, show all sides to the story. Instead you give fleeting informations at face value and try to cover them up with selected references which you deemed convenient for your purpose. Sometime truths are only half-truths.
I do not arbitrarily alter articles and have been a contributor to wikipedia for many years (in different areas, mostly classical studies and history - I am not that much of a political person by any means). I did not say that the present articles are untrue. I am just saying that they do not tell the entire story.
I do acknowledge that your writings have merits. But the present article, when read, can be perceived as biased. People who are involved in certain things are subconsciouly opined one way or the other. To achieve the best, I believe that an article deserves various contributions whether it may or may not be to one's liking.
Also, the fact that I am saying I am a physician is to state what I was taught. If a patient comes for a visit, it doesn't matter what the public consensus of the diagnosis is. You could be in a minority, buy you still could be correct.
I really wish this Thaksin thing would never be an issue, for it already creates too much conflict in the society. I think I will refrain from editing the articles pertaining to him and his family, since it seems to trouble you. I also appreciate your deletion of some of the contested parts of article.
Sigh, I will repeat it again. This Thaksin ordeal has already created too much conflict.
I do apologize for your troubles and wish it never have come to this. I harbor you no ill will and wish you the very best.
P.S.
1. Also, misgivings on my parts. I have never noticed the discussion page until you point it out. I am totally at fault here and if I have any comments in future I would be inclined to use that page.
2. I have retired my older computer and, with it, lost logins and passwords I have saved. You are certainly right about not loggin in.
Dear Patiwat, althugh we seem to have some differences of opinion, I am actually very pleased to find someone here who is bilingual in English and Thai and in interested in politics. As well as editing at Wikipedia, I maintain the world's most extensive online database of election statistics, Adam Carr's Election Archive. I have had a lot of difficulty getting decent election stats for Thailand, partly because I don't speak or read Thai, but partly also because the ECT have been completely unresponsive to my efforts to get information from them. When I was last in Bkk I tried to get them to show me their maps of the election districts, which I offered to copy or photograph myself, but they seemed to think these were state secrets and wouldn't let me see them. Their website is impossible to navigate and so far as I can tell they have never produced detailed stats of the 2005 election. I have had to rely on the partial stats published at the Nation website. For this election they are starting to put some figures at their website, but again no maps, and also no enrolment figures so that I can see what proportion of the enrolled voters are voting for the TRT candidates. I wonder if you could tell me if you know of any source for
Regards, Adam 12:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I may agree with you about that, but my current interest is psephological rather than political. Could I ask you to look at the ECT website and tell me what is written on the large purple panel which is now blocking access to their partial election statistics? Could you also clarify for me that TRT have won all 400 constituency seats, apart from the 38 seats in the south where they failed to get 20%, and Nonthaburi 3 where all candidates were disqualified? Adam 13:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. The problem with the ECT figures is that they give only the TRT vote and not the "No votes" or the total number of registered voters in each constituency. The Nation is giving better figures, but they are not as complete. The one good thing about the ECT website is their collection of newscutting pdfs in the box at the right-hand side of the page. Trawling through that gives me these figures. Probably tomorrow's papers will have better ones. Adam 13:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I have now located a better source of results here, and have summarised them here. Could I ask you to look at the mcot website, and tell what the third table down on the left (the one above the photo of the unhappy looking man), represents? Kopkhunkrap. Adam 06:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
The table with the drop-down box summarizes unofficial voting results for people who did NOT vote. The choices in the drop-down box are 1) Bangkok 2) North 3) Northeast 4) South. The columns in the table are 1) order - not district 2) District 3) Did not vote 4) Abstained 5) Invalid 6) Total. But 6-3-4-5!=TRT because of votes for other parties. If you want to see the breakdown by party, look at the 2nd table. The map chart might be useful - it shows the distribution of votes by party by region/province in percentage to the 1st decimal. However, it isn't so clear whether the denominator is. Patiwat 13:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, but I still have a problem. If I use the drop-down box to look at the South, for example, I see in the first column 1, 2, 3 and 4. What do these refer to? In the next column I see Songkhla districts 3, 1, 5 and 6. How do I see all the other districts in the South? Is the little blue triangle in the top right meant to be a scroll-down button? If so it not working for me. Adam 03:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Perhaps you could contact MCOT and ask them to fix it. Alternatively you could contact the ECT and ask them to post some decent statistics at their site instead of all the fancy graphics - it is their job after all. Cheers, Adam 06:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb your serene bubble, but if the Democrats sue the EC and boycott the by-elections, then we might not final results in 30 days, either :-) Patiwat 09:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Patiwat, nice to see you online here again. When you have a movement, could you have a look at the new material on the ECT website, and tell me what this and this represent? I am hoping it is lists of provinces showing enrolment, turnout, invalid voting, abstention voting and voting for parties - perhaps you can confirm this. Kopkhunkrap, Adam 07:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Now what I need is the same sets of figures for each constituency. I will wait and see what they post next, maintaining my serentity as I wait. Meantime, it is cold and wet here and I am looking forward to being in steamy Bkk again. Adam 08:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes that is helpful too, thanks. Please advise me of anything else you find. I am keen to find a list of candidate names in English, otherwise I am going to have to pay someone to translate them all for me. What are you doing in San Francisco? (I meant to ask you, by the way, how you can be a native speaker of both Thai and English. Are you a Thai-American or vice versa?) Adam 09:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I want all the candidates, not just those elected. Last year the Nation published the full results in English, but this time (understandably) they are not bothering. I don't mind putting a few k baht in the way of a needy Thai student to do some translating for me. Adam 06:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that message. I am doing Hungarian elections at present to I will wait and see what happens in Thailand. But even if there are new elections, I will still want to have full stats for 2 April eventually. Is there likely to be a deal involving departure of Thaksin (and presumably demise of TRT without him), fresh elections and a return to politics as normal? Adam 04:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just caught your comment about Leonowens. Thanks for seconding my motion. I can see that you are engaged in Thai issues. Leonowens was a controversial person, but the article is nothing but a vanity piece, and that's being charitable. Its days are numbered. — J M Rice 02:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Reverting to the original article is outrageous. The person doing this clearly has no concept of NPOV. I've restored my edits and posted a warning on Talk. I hope this doesn't turn into a revert war. — J M Rice 12:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just a note to tell you that I commented on your latest post, and made a suggstion, on my talk page. — J M Rice 23:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
This may interest you. What is the explanation for everything south of Bangkok, both east and west, being anti-Thaksin? It is interesting to see that the Muslim "deep south" is actually less anti-Thaksin than areas further north - the highest abstention was in Chumphon. Adam 03:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is another question I have been trying to get an answer to ever since I first visited Bangkok: What is the etymological or historical connection between the aristocratic title Chao Phraya and the name of the Chao Phraya River? Was it named for a particularly person with the rank of Chao Phraya? Was that always the river's name or has it been renamed since Bangkok became the capital? Does the name suggest that it is the "prince of rivers" or some such attribute? Several people have assured me that there is no connection, but I don't believe this. Adam 02:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you tell which election this map pertains to, and whether these are still the current constituency boundaries? Adam 06:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Patiwat, some time ago I wrote this article: Sang Phathanothai. To my surprise nobody has made any edits yet. I would like someone to check it. You seem to be well aware about Thailand's history. If you can make any factual corrections you know about, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Anagnorisis 00:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat, I am in Norway at present but I am following what is going on in Muang Thai. Have not the judges been very clever? As I understand it, they have not actually annulled the 2 April elections, which would have amounted to a constitutional coup, but they have annulled each of the individual elections on technical grounds, so that the whole election can be run again (after the King's jubilee), technically as a series of by-elections. Very shrewd, and also a good outcome, in my view. The constitution is preserved, the Opposition saves face, the people get to choose a new legislature, the King is spared embarrassment. Questions: will Thaksin come back? Will TRT fall apart without him? Adam 04:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
What was the alternative? Allow the 2 April results to stand and have a one-party parliament for the next four years? Not a good outcome. Adam 12:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
No, I can't say I am following the debate that closely at present. I will get back up to speed when I get home. Do you know of Vitit Muntarbhorn? A most impressive man, I met him yesterday. I will write an article about him when I get home. Adam 04:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
He's about. Adam 09:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
That was pure politics on their part. After the famine in which maybe a million people died (another triumph of socialist agriculture), the DPRK was forced to beg for international aid, which involved allowing international agencies such as WFP into the country. They really hated that, because it threatened to expose the DPRK people to outside influence and the truth about the horrors of the DPRK's real situation. So as soon as the food situation was even slightly improved, they tried to turn the clock back, kick out the agencies and go back to the state procurements and rationing system they had before the famine. They were greatly helped in this by the current weak and selfish administration in South Korea, which has agreed to give them huge amounts of unmonitored food aid, thus undermining any possibility using the famine as a lever to get some political reform. So Khun Vitit's chances of success are greatly reduced. Adam 15:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Patiwat, re your comment on mine on succession, I'd prefer just to make some comments and let someone else decide whether they should be edited into the main text pages. Perhaps that's not in the full participatory spirit of wikipedia, but that's what I prefer. You and others have done a pretty good job already keeping the Bhumibol and other articles straight. 158.50.77.1 14:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your note. I have suggested a rewording in the Discussion page. As I based the rewording on your explanation, I would greatly appreciate any comments you might have. Patiwat 11:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Appreciate your handling the succession stuff. I didn't get into the 1925 law because there is some mystery which the reference to Gothom suggests. The law, designed by King Vajiravudh, originally specifically said women cannot succeed. That suggests why the constitution had to be amended to allow the king to unilaterally change the 1925 law. But I could not find out whether in fact it has been changed to allow for a woman successor -- so that it doesn't contradict the constitution. It is an interesting legal question: which is the final word the constitution or the succession law predating it? But if they have been harmonized already then there is no problem. Phand 15:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I will be in Bkk July 1 to 9. Any chance you will be there then? Adam 12:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your messages - you are a fount of useful information. I see the ECT has given up on posting new results from the April election, now that it has been annulled, so I guess I will never get complete results. I am hoping when I am in Bkk next month I will be able to get a set of current constituency maps from them, although I had no success last time. Adam 03:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Dear Patiwat, no hard feelings! I never intended to attack you personally. And ideological convictions most certainly never played a role in my arguments.
My criticism was always directed against the article's quality alone. In case of any offence taken, please accept my apologies.
If you want to discuss the issue in person, feel free to contact me via Email or on my User Talk page. Best regards, Herrk 12:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Herrk
No offense was taken. I'm grateful to be a part of the English-language press in Thailand and to have the time and resources at hand to make the English-language Wikipedia a better place. I know for sure that the The Nation's offical style on Maha Chakri Sirindhorn is HRH Princess, though I imagine sometimes the "crown" does creep in, as you've noted. Again, I'm just grateful to have other editors like yourself to collaborate with. - Wisekwai 09:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This article has got totally out of hand, and I intend cutting it to about half its present length, by cutting out reams of unencyclopaedic euologisation and further reams of stuff about recent Thai politics which are only slightly relevant to Bhumibol's biography. I realise some of this text is yours, and I apologise if you don't like it being cut, but this article like all others must conform to Wikipedia standards of NPOV and relevance, and at present it doesn't. Adam 09:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. The main problem was not so much neutrality as volume, although the whole "The King and His Adoring People" section had to go. Adam 01:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments last tuesday and sorry for late reply. I read you comments and thought that this topic had the involvement about the King also. Will it be better to publish another picture instead of the old picture? I think that the picture should be the photograph of overall protesters, to illustrate more clearly about the topic. I think the others who read this topic and see the old one, they might be confused that how did the picture of the woman who wear the yellow clothes involved. I think it will be more suitable to publish instead. However, thank you for your comments again! Worapon B. 2:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat. I am now in steamy Bkk, hiking around taking pictures of statues and monuments (my favourite passtime and a good way to lose weight in this climate). If you are here, let me know. The city is covered in election placards. Is this people getting in early for October, or are there local elections going on here? Adam 09:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I see. I have upgraded Victory Monument (Bangkok). More on Democracy Monument tomorrow. Also October 1973 memorial. Adam 16:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I have upgraded Democracy Monument, Bangkok. Comments welcome. About a third of everybody in Bkk is wearing yellow tops with the Royal Jubilee crest on them. What a weird country this is sometimes. Adam 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
My comments on the panels are largely based on Ka F Wong. I don't know what value you place on his opinions. He has an MA in Thai Studies from Chulalongkorn so I assume he is reliable. As to that panel, I thought the symbolism was plain. The soldier stands in the centre, holding a weapon, while others around him pursue civilian pursuits. It seemed clear to me that he is protecting them, he is the virtuous military state that enables the life of the nation to flourish etc. As to the "socialist heroic" style, it's no coincidence that the sculptor was Italian. That "heroic" style in public art had its genesis in fascist Italy, and was later copied by Stalinist Russia, Maoist China etc etc etc. I don't think it should be taken as indicating the precise nature of the regime. Phibun's ideology drew heavily on fascism, and although fascism in turn had its roots in socialism, there wasn't much socialist content left by the 1930s.
On another matter, I have been using Wong's book as a guidebook to royal statuary in Bkk. I have now visited Rama I at the Rama I Bridge, the equestrian Rama V at Royal Plaza, the gold Rama IV at Wat Bowonivet and Rama VIII at Wat Suthat. I had already visited Rama VI in Lumphini Park and Rama VII at the National Assembly. Still on my list in King Taksin's statue over the river. All of these statues are being actively worshipped - vis this photo of a woman praying in front of Rama V. I presume (correct me if I'm wrong), that Thais do not worship the kings literally as gods, but rather in the same way they worship Buddha, as a hypostasis: a representation which possesses supernatural qualities and through which they can communicate with the supernatural world. I am thinking of an article on the Cult of Thai Royalty, discussing both its religious and political dimension, and examining to what extent the royal cult has been deliberately manufactured by earlier regimes to bolster their own legitimacy. I was very struck by the absence of the monarchy from the iconography at the Democracy Monument. Phibun's objective was to promote a cult of the military as the embodiment of the nation and guardians of democracy. The royal cult seems to have been a product of the Sarit-Thanom years, and no douvt it served its purpose at that time. But since 1973, and particularly since 1992, the military has totally lost credibility in that regard, and the royal cult that they themselves created has overtaken them, so that the monarchy has now come to be seen as the repository of national virtue and the protector of democracy - hence the anti-Thaksin forces wrapping themselves literally in the royal banner. This may also explain the Crown Prince's unpopularity - he is seen as a professional soldier rather than as royalty. Your comments welcome.
Adam, regarding your comments on the "heroic" style in public art, I did a bit of searching on Wikipedia, and it seems that Socialist realism and Heroic realism had their roots in Soviet Russia, and only later on became adopted by Italin Communists and Fascists. Patiwat 12:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Finally, could you translate these for me? Thanks and regards Adam 07:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Where is this from? The first section of the first poem is quite beautiful. Very straight forward. The work of a young person I'd guess? Here's a first cut translation - I think I can do better.
Man must be free
As the sun shines brightly forth
Humanity will endure, and can not be reduced
Freedom will not be estinguished from man
Manut tong mee seriphap
Dut tawan pleng plab prakai chai
Khwam pen khon man khong mai khlong khlai
Seriphap mai tai pai chak khon
Man must be free - such resolute will is embedded in those words! The entire poem flows with a ripe cadence; you can feel the confidence of the author in the truth of his words. In that second sentence, the sound of the words "pleng plab prakai chai" conveys the the sparkle and radiance of the sun - a fitting image for the essential freedom of man. The 3rd sentence has a very distinct rhythm to it - both in meter and rhyme.
The second section isn't nearly as good, in my opinion. I'll translate it later.
They are the plaques at the October 1973 Memorial just down the road from the Democracy Monument. I assumed they were dedications of some sort, not poetry. Maybe they are poems by students from that time. Adam 06:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is a very very rough translation of the subsequent verses:
Not free to the power of lust (Kiles, a Buddhist term similar to Tanha, meaning craving, lust, or worldly desire)
Free to deny wickedness
Free to thrust away individual lust
Free to be removed from defilement
Freedom must be fought for
Like a pidgeon bravely crossing the sky (?)
The heroism of the dignified people
The inherent honor of being human (?)
Freedom must be honored
Together, eliminate sin and evil
Removed from destruction, distant from fear
Removed from darkness, towards true freedom
The second poem uses a different poetic form. This is a bad translation:
My son, you told me that you knew
Which made you fight nonviolently (ahimsa)
Your father and I have waited
For a long time
The Son flower blooms in the morning
Oh, the Khat Khao flower blooms in the evening
Removed from the temple to wander (as a monk would at the end of Buddhist lent)
At the monument
The Khunthong bird can not be found
There is only the Constitution
Your father and I mourn
But are proud of our son
Note: "Khun thong bird" was the name of a very sad song from that era about a young man who disappears in the events of 1973 (or maybe 1976; not sure). My mother cries when the song is played - she was in her early 20's at the time. But these are not the lyrics to that song.
OK thanks for that. I thought they were plaques with information about the memorial, but I will just say they are plaques with (I assume) contemporary poetry about the events of 1973. I got home from Bkk this morning, to horrible Melbourne winter, with the usual heavy cold caused by constant stepping back and forth between Bkk heat and freezing hotel air-con. More articles soon. Adam 11:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there Adam. I was going to post this on your Talk page, but see that it is currently protected. I'd like to ask your advise on a matter, given that you've been much more active on controversial Wikipedia articles than I have.
I've recently been reported for vandalism concerning the Censorship in Thailand article. I believe, of course, that all of my edits have been in good faith. But this is one of those frustrating articles that is edited by only two people, and both of them seem to have a different perspective on things.
The other editor suggested taking a time-out for several weeks - I countersuggested that we try to work things out rather than resort to self-censorship. I thought things were going well, then, wham, I get hit with a vandalism report and the article becomes protected (I had stopped editing the article since things heated up, so I don't mind the protection).
I've read the guidelines of Vandalism, and re-read the Civility guidelines and all that. You've probably been through this before - how do you deal with such things? Patiwat 14:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome, Patiwat. I notice that you and alpha60 have some different oppinion regarding many topics. I'll try not to introduce any disputed content for the time being.
I gave up on the April election after it was annulled, so I don't have any consituency level figures. Since the elections were not contested by the opposition the only useful data would be the TRT vote versus the abstention vote, but the ECT never produced this data at constituency level. So all I have is the abstention vote by province, which I think I showed you. I doubt in any case that the figures would be very useful for comparing with a contested local government election. Adam 06:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I used the map at Ethnologue. Obviously any line on a map is going to be rather arbitrary - do you think it is wrong? Adam 02:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Are there images we can substitute for the apparent illegal garuda in the Bhumipol article? Lv answer on Bhumipol's talk page in GA section. Rlevse 18:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have no intention of getting into a revert war over the family info box. I haven't even touched it. Thanks for your edits so far. Patiwat 18:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone put a [citation needed] tag in the intro. I'll look for a cite, but you may have a better idea of where to find one. Someone will object if it's there before and we haven't found a cite for it at that time. Rlevse 10:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat. I appreciate your concern with regards to the copyright of the images Prince-Rangsit1.jpg, Rangsit2.jpg and Rangsit-Mountbatten.jpg. You are right that I am the not the creator of the image Prince-Rangsit1.jpg (no I’m not 95 years old), I have thus replaced the Licensing from (GFDL-self) to (GFDL). I have opted GFDL status for the images, since they belong to our family, and we possess the original copies. Perhaps I should mention that some photos have also appeared in the book, First Trip abroad 1899 (2005) of which my immediate family member is the copy right holder.
regards Maharaj Devraj 16:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so I've got (Image:Mahidols-1938.jpg) uploaded for now. As I said, its not the most recent photo.. but certainly is an interesting one! -Devraj
If you have a url for the formatted ref I made for your firearm ref, please add it. I can't find a URL. Rlevse 23:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I've gone over the article for consistent naming. I left some alone, as when it referred to a title, the office of the king, or things like "the King and Queen". Please look it over for consistency now. On another note, I'm only slightly surprised at the vandalism and non-objectivity of those editors causing problems. Rlevse 11:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Please read Help:Moving a page, when you move a page you might consider "move" instead of "copy over" to keep the "history" of it. -- Manop - TH 22:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The article Thanong Pho-arn has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This happened because the article seems to be about a person or group of persons but it does not indicate how or why that person or group is notable. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. You might also want to read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 04:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
To Patiwat, for his outstanding and tireless efforts in making Thailand-related articles better, especially in helping get Bhumibol Adulyadej to featured status. Rlevse 14:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) |
Congratulations indeed. You can now rightly put the userbox below in your user page. Cheers.
Anagnorisis
18:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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I'll keep an eye on it in Peer Review, but it will probably benefit from another reviewer's opinion, so I won't comment on it unless it sits around for a while (since some reviewers scan through for requests that have had no responses). Cheers, Yomangani talk 10:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I see you already went to the talk page of Ajahn Chah also, I felt the same about Kiaw versus Somdet Kiaw. As far as I am aware, people do not call him Kiaw, which would be disrespectful. Somdet Kiaw also makes clear which Kiaw is meant, I would think there are a few Kiaws in Thailand. Greetings, Sacca 10:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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I made a slight eding in the Thaksin Shinawatra article. The following changes were made:
From - "A Bangkok poll taken 3 weeks after Thaksin's announcement found that Thaksin and TRT were still overwhelming popular in Bangkok, with 54% preferring TRT and 7% preferring the Democrats."
To - "A Bangkok poll taken 3 weeks after Thaksin's announcement found that TRT policies were still overwhelmingly popular in Bangkok, with 54.2% preferring TRT policies versus 7.5% for the Democrats."
You talk about being biased, but you instead write seemingly referenced articles laced with misinformation.
You also say that you support democracy. Thaksin's government, although a democratic one, is a democracy in its worst form, majoritarianism. Right now Thais are like lemmings. I, as a physician, believe in meritocracy. Majority could be wrong.
Vandalism? I believe we are talking about conflict of view. Moreover, what I wrote is not untrue. Also, this is a public webpage and any information written is viewed by others. Your own article is not as neutral as you think. How would you consider my calling Thaksin's recent visits to other head of states "unsolicited" vandalism, while the truth of the matter is:
1. He personally asked various ambassabors to arrange these visits for him, which clearly showed that he was not "invited".
2. His meetings with some of leaders were remarkably brief, showing its insignificance. 3. He stopped to meet Arroyo unannounced, resulting his request for an audience being turned down.
How could you call my comment about Panthongthae vandalism, while the boy is notorious for his academic incompetence. The reason for this is for speculation about his cheating allegations. Shouldn't it also be noted that the officials who investigated this case are quickly promoted? Also, if you take offense in the article's edition, I wonder whether you have read the previous article prior to the current one that exits? Would the person who wrote it, later found that his article is written anew, consider this edition "vandalism"?
As I was saying, this is a public webpage. I wouldn't be doing what I am doing if that article, when read, show all sides to the story. Instead you give fleeting informations at face value and try to cover them up with selected references which you deemed convenient for your purpose. Sometime truths are only half-truths.
I do not arbitrarily alter articles and have been a contributor to wikipedia for many years (in different areas, mostly classical studies and history - I am not that much of a political person by any means). I did not say that the present articles are untrue. I am just saying that they do not tell the entire story.
I do acknowledge that your writings have merits. But the present article, when read, can be perceived as biased. People who are involved in certain things are subconsciouly opined one way or the other. To achieve the best, I believe that an article deserves various contributions whether it may or may not be to one's liking.
Also, the fact that I am saying I am a physician is to state what I was taught. If a patient comes for a visit, it doesn't matter what the public consensus of the diagnosis is. You could be in a minority, buy you still could be correct.
I really wish this Thaksin thing would never be an issue, for it already creates too much conflict in the society. I think I will refrain from editing the articles pertaining to him and his family, since it seems to trouble you. I also appreciate your deletion of some of the contested parts of article.
Sigh, I will repeat it again. This Thaksin ordeal has already created too much conflict.
I do apologize for your troubles and wish it never have come to this. I harbor you no ill will and wish you the very best.
P.S.
1. Also, misgivings on my parts. I have never noticed the discussion page until you point it out. I am totally at fault here and if I have any comments in future I would be inclined to use that page.
2. I have retired my older computer and, with it, lost logins and passwords I have saved. You are certainly right about not loggin in.
Dear Patiwat, althugh we seem to have some differences of opinion, I am actually very pleased to find someone here who is bilingual in English and Thai and in interested in politics. As well as editing at Wikipedia, I maintain the world's most extensive online database of election statistics, Adam Carr's Election Archive. I have had a lot of difficulty getting decent election stats for Thailand, partly because I don't speak or read Thai, but partly also because the ECT have been completely unresponsive to my efforts to get information from them. When I was last in Bkk I tried to get them to show me their maps of the election districts, which I offered to copy or photograph myself, but they seemed to think these were state secrets and wouldn't let me see them. Their website is impossible to navigate and so far as I can tell they have never produced detailed stats of the 2005 election. I have had to rely on the partial stats published at the Nation website. For this election they are starting to put some figures at their website, but again no maps, and also no enrolment figures so that I can see what proportion of the enrolled voters are voting for the TRT candidates. I wonder if you could tell me if you know of any source for
Regards, Adam 12:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I may agree with you about that, but my current interest is psephological rather than political. Could I ask you to look at the ECT website and tell me what is written on the large purple panel which is now blocking access to their partial election statistics? Could you also clarify for me that TRT have won all 400 constituency seats, apart from the 38 seats in the south where they failed to get 20%, and Nonthaburi 3 where all candidates were disqualified? Adam 13:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. The problem with the ECT figures is that they give only the TRT vote and not the "No votes" or the total number of registered voters in each constituency. The Nation is giving better figures, but they are not as complete. The one good thing about the ECT website is their collection of newscutting pdfs in the box at the right-hand side of the page. Trawling through that gives me these figures. Probably tomorrow's papers will have better ones. Adam 13:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I have now located a better source of results here, and have summarised them here. Could I ask you to look at the mcot website, and tell what the third table down on the left (the one above the photo of the unhappy looking man), represents? Kopkhunkrap. Adam 06:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
The table with the drop-down box summarizes unofficial voting results for people who did NOT vote. The choices in the drop-down box are 1) Bangkok 2) North 3) Northeast 4) South. The columns in the table are 1) order - not district 2) District 3) Did not vote 4) Abstained 5) Invalid 6) Total. But 6-3-4-5!=TRT because of votes for other parties. If you want to see the breakdown by party, look at the 2nd table. The map chart might be useful - it shows the distribution of votes by party by region/province in percentage to the 1st decimal. However, it isn't so clear whether the denominator is. Patiwat 13:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, but I still have a problem. If I use the drop-down box to look at the South, for example, I see in the first column 1, 2, 3 and 4. What do these refer to? In the next column I see Songkhla districts 3, 1, 5 and 6. How do I see all the other districts in the South? Is the little blue triangle in the top right meant to be a scroll-down button? If so it not working for me. Adam 03:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Perhaps you could contact MCOT and ask them to fix it. Alternatively you could contact the ECT and ask them to post some decent statistics at their site instead of all the fancy graphics - it is their job after all. Cheers, Adam 06:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb your serene bubble, but if the Democrats sue the EC and boycott the by-elections, then we might not final results in 30 days, either :-) Patiwat 09:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Patiwat, nice to see you online here again. When you have a movement, could you have a look at the new material on the ECT website, and tell me what this and this represent? I am hoping it is lists of provinces showing enrolment, turnout, invalid voting, abstention voting and voting for parties - perhaps you can confirm this. Kopkhunkrap, Adam 07:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Now what I need is the same sets of figures for each constituency. I will wait and see what they post next, maintaining my serentity as I wait. Meantime, it is cold and wet here and I am looking forward to being in steamy Bkk again. Adam 08:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes that is helpful too, thanks. Please advise me of anything else you find. I am keen to find a list of candidate names in English, otherwise I am going to have to pay someone to translate them all for me. What are you doing in San Francisco? (I meant to ask you, by the way, how you can be a native speaker of both Thai and English. Are you a Thai-American or vice versa?) Adam 09:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I want all the candidates, not just those elected. Last year the Nation published the full results in English, but this time (understandably) they are not bothering. I don't mind putting a few k baht in the way of a needy Thai student to do some translating for me. Adam 06:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that message. I am doing Hungarian elections at present to I will wait and see what happens in Thailand. But even if there are new elections, I will still want to have full stats for 2 April eventually. Is there likely to be a deal involving departure of Thaksin (and presumably demise of TRT without him), fresh elections and a return to politics as normal? Adam 04:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just caught your comment about Leonowens. Thanks for seconding my motion. I can see that you are engaged in Thai issues. Leonowens was a controversial person, but the article is nothing but a vanity piece, and that's being charitable. Its days are numbered. — J M Rice 02:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Reverting to the original article is outrageous. The person doing this clearly has no concept of NPOV. I've restored my edits and posted a warning on Talk. I hope this doesn't turn into a revert war. — J M Rice 12:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just a note to tell you that I commented on your latest post, and made a suggstion, on my talk page. — J M Rice 23:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
This may interest you. What is the explanation for everything south of Bangkok, both east and west, being anti-Thaksin? It is interesting to see that the Muslim "deep south" is actually less anti-Thaksin than areas further north - the highest abstention was in Chumphon. Adam 03:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is another question I have been trying to get an answer to ever since I first visited Bangkok: What is the etymological or historical connection between the aristocratic title Chao Phraya and the name of the Chao Phraya River? Was it named for a particularly person with the rank of Chao Phraya? Was that always the river's name or has it been renamed since Bangkok became the capital? Does the name suggest that it is the "prince of rivers" or some such attribute? Several people have assured me that there is no connection, but I don't believe this. Adam 02:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you tell which election this map pertains to, and whether these are still the current constituency boundaries? Adam 06:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Patiwat, some time ago I wrote this article: Sang Phathanothai. To my surprise nobody has made any edits yet. I would like someone to check it. You seem to be well aware about Thailand's history. If you can make any factual corrections you know about, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Anagnorisis 00:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat, I am in Norway at present but I am following what is going on in Muang Thai. Have not the judges been very clever? As I understand it, they have not actually annulled the 2 April elections, which would have amounted to a constitutional coup, but they have annulled each of the individual elections on technical grounds, so that the whole election can be run again (after the King's jubilee), technically as a series of by-elections. Very shrewd, and also a good outcome, in my view. The constitution is preserved, the Opposition saves face, the people get to choose a new legislature, the King is spared embarrassment. Questions: will Thaksin come back? Will TRT fall apart without him? Adam 04:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
What was the alternative? Allow the 2 April results to stand and have a one-party parliament for the next four years? Not a good outcome. Adam 12:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
No, I can't say I am following the debate that closely at present. I will get back up to speed when I get home. Do you know of Vitit Muntarbhorn? A most impressive man, I met him yesterday. I will write an article about him when I get home. Adam 04:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
He's about. Adam 09:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
That was pure politics on their part. After the famine in which maybe a million people died (another triumph of socialist agriculture), the DPRK was forced to beg for international aid, which involved allowing international agencies such as WFP into the country. They really hated that, because it threatened to expose the DPRK people to outside influence and the truth about the horrors of the DPRK's real situation. So as soon as the food situation was even slightly improved, they tried to turn the clock back, kick out the agencies and go back to the state procurements and rationing system they had before the famine. They were greatly helped in this by the current weak and selfish administration in South Korea, which has agreed to give them huge amounts of unmonitored food aid, thus undermining any possibility using the famine as a lever to get some political reform. So Khun Vitit's chances of success are greatly reduced. Adam 15:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Patiwat, re your comment on mine on succession, I'd prefer just to make some comments and let someone else decide whether they should be edited into the main text pages. Perhaps that's not in the full participatory spirit of wikipedia, but that's what I prefer. You and others have done a pretty good job already keeping the Bhumibol and other articles straight. 158.50.77.1 14:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your note. I have suggested a rewording in the Discussion page. As I based the rewording on your explanation, I would greatly appreciate any comments you might have. Patiwat 11:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Appreciate your handling the succession stuff. I didn't get into the 1925 law because there is some mystery which the reference to Gothom suggests. The law, designed by King Vajiravudh, originally specifically said women cannot succeed. That suggests why the constitution had to be amended to allow the king to unilaterally change the 1925 law. But I could not find out whether in fact it has been changed to allow for a woman successor -- so that it doesn't contradict the constitution. It is an interesting legal question: which is the final word the constitution or the succession law predating it? But if they have been harmonized already then there is no problem. Phand 15:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I will be in Bkk July 1 to 9. Any chance you will be there then? Adam 12:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your messages - you are a fount of useful information. I see the ECT has given up on posting new results from the April election, now that it has been annulled, so I guess I will never get complete results. I am hoping when I am in Bkk next month I will be able to get a set of current constituency maps from them, although I had no success last time. Adam 03:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Dear Patiwat, no hard feelings! I never intended to attack you personally. And ideological convictions most certainly never played a role in my arguments.
My criticism was always directed against the article's quality alone. In case of any offence taken, please accept my apologies.
If you want to discuss the issue in person, feel free to contact me via Email or on my User Talk page. Best regards, Herrk 12:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Herrk
No offense was taken. I'm grateful to be a part of the English-language press in Thailand and to have the time and resources at hand to make the English-language Wikipedia a better place. I know for sure that the The Nation's offical style on Maha Chakri Sirindhorn is HRH Princess, though I imagine sometimes the "crown" does creep in, as you've noted. Again, I'm just grateful to have other editors like yourself to collaborate with. - Wisekwai 09:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This article has got totally out of hand, and I intend cutting it to about half its present length, by cutting out reams of unencyclopaedic euologisation and further reams of stuff about recent Thai politics which are only slightly relevant to Bhumibol's biography. I realise some of this text is yours, and I apologise if you don't like it being cut, but this article like all others must conform to Wikipedia standards of NPOV and relevance, and at present it doesn't. Adam 09:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. The main problem was not so much neutrality as volume, although the whole "The King and His Adoring People" section had to go. Adam 01:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments last tuesday and sorry for late reply. I read you comments and thought that this topic had the involvement about the King also. Will it be better to publish another picture instead of the old picture? I think that the picture should be the photograph of overall protesters, to illustrate more clearly about the topic. I think the others who read this topic and see the old one, they might be confused that how did the picture of the woman who wear the yellow clothes involved. I think it will be more suitable to publish instead. However, thank you for your comments again! Worapon B. 2:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat. I am now in steamy Bkk, hiking around taking pictures of statues and monuments (my favourite passtime and a good way to lose weight in this climate). If you are here, let me know. The city is covered in election placards. Is this people getting in early for October, or are there local elections going on here? Adam 09:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I see. I have upgraded Victory Monument (Bangkok). More on Democracy Monument tomorrow. Also October 1973 memorial. Adam 16:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I have upgraded Democracy Monument, Bangkok. Comments welcome. About a third of everybody in Bkk is wearing yellow tops with the Royal Jubilee crest on them. What a weird country this is sometimes. Adam 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
My comments on the panels are largely based on Ka F Wong. I don't know what value you place on his opinions. He has an MA in Thai Studies from Chulalongkorn so I assume he is reliable. As to that panel, I thought the symbolism was plain. The soldier stands in the centre, holding a weapon, while others around him pursue civilian pursuits. It seemed clear to me that he is protecting them, he is the virtuous military state that enables the life of the nation to flourish etc. As to the "socialist heroic" style, it's no coincidence that the sculptor was Italian. That "heroic" style in public art had its genesis in fascist Italy, and was later copied by Stalinist Russia, Maoist China etc etc etc. I don't think it should be taken as indicating the precise nature of the regime. Phibun's ideology drew heavily on fascism, and although fascism in turn had its roots in socialism, there wasn't much socialist content left by the 1930s.
On another matter, I have been using Wong's book as a guidebook to royal statuary in Bkk. I have now visited Rama I at the Rama I Bridge, the equestrian Rama V at Royal Plaza, the gold Rama IV at Wat Bowonivet and Rama VIII at Wat Suthat. I had already visited Rama VI in Lumphini Park and Rama VII at the National Assembly. Still on my list in King Taksin's statue over the river. All of these statues are being actively worshipped - vis this photo of a woman praying in front of Rama V. I presume (correct me if I'm wrong), that Thais do not worship the kings literally as gods, but rather in the same way they worship Buddha, as a hypostasis: a representation which possesses supernatural qualities and through which they can communicate with the supernatural world. I am thinking of an article on the Cult of Thai Royalty, discussing both its religious and political dimension, and examining to what extent the royal cult has been deliberately manufactured by earlier regimes to bolster their own legitimacy. I was very struck by the absence of the monarchy from the iconography at the Democracy Monument. Phibun's objective was to promote a cult of the military as the embodiment of the nation and guardians of democracy. The royal cult seems to have been a product of the Sarit-Thanom years, and no douvt it served its purpose at that time. But since 1973, and particularly since 1992, the military has totally lost credibility in that regard, and the royal cult that they themselves created has overtaken them, so that the monarchy has now come to be seen as the repository of national virtue and the protector of democracy - hence the anti-Thaksin forces wrapping themselves literally in the royal banner. This may also explain the Crown Prince's unpopularity - he is seen as a professional soldier rather than as royalty. Your comments welcome.
Adam, regarding your comments on the "heroic" style in public art, I did a bit of searching on Wikipedia, and it seems that Socialist realism and Heroic realism had their roots in Soviet Russia, and only later on became adopted by Italin Communists and Fascists. Patiwat 12:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Finally, could you translate these for me? Thanks and regards Adam 07:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Where is this from? The first section of the first poem is quite beautiful. Very straight forward. The work of a young person I'd guess? Here's a first cut translation - I think I can do better.
Man must be free
As the sun shines brightly forth
Humanity will endure, and can not be reduced
Freedom will not be estinguished from man
Manut tong mee seriphap
Dut tawan pleng plab prakai chai
Khwam pen khon man khong mai khlong khlai
Seriphap mai tai pai chak khon
Man must be free - such resolute will is embedded in those words! The entire poem flows with a ripe cadence; you can feel the confidence of the author in the truth of his words. In that second sentence, the sound of the words "pleng plab prakai chai" conveys the the sparkle and radiance of the sun - a fitting image for the essential freedom of man. The 3rd sentence has a very distinct rhythm to it - both in meter and rhyme.
The second section isn't nearly as good, in my opinion. I'll translate it later.
They are the plaques at the October 1973 Memorial just down the road from the Democracy Monument. I assumed they were dedications of some sort, not poetry. Maybe they are poems by students from that time. Adam 06:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is a very very rough translation of the subsequent verses:
Not free to the power of lust (Kiles, a Buddhist term similar to Tanha, meaning craving, lust, or worldly desire)
Free to deny wickedness
Free to thrust away individual lust
Free to be removed from defilement
Freedom must be fought for
Like a pidgeon bravely crossing the sky (?)
The heroism of the dignified people
The inherent honor of being human (?)
Freedom must be honored
Together, eliminate sin and evil
Removed from destruction, distant from fear
Removed from darkness, towards true freedom
The second poem uses a different poetic form. This is a bad translation:
My son, you told me that you knew
Which made you fight nonviolently (ahimsa)
Your father and I have waited
For a long time
The Son flower blooms in the morning
Oh, the Khat Khao flower blooms in the evening
Removed from the temple to wander (as a monk would at the end of Buddhist lent)
At the monument
The Khunthong bird can not be found
There is only the Constitution
Your father and I mourn
But are proud of our son
Note: "Khun thong bird" was the name of a very sad song from that era about a young man who disappears in the events of 1973 (or maybe 1976; not sure). My mother cries when the song is played - she was in her early 20's at the time. But these are not the lyrics to that song.
OK thanks for that. I thought they were plaques with information about the memorial, but I will just say they are plaques with (I assume) contemporary poetry about the events of 1973. I got home from Bkk this morning, to horrible Melbourne winter, with the usual heavy cold caused by constant stepping back and forth between Bkk heat and freezing hotel air-con. More articles soon. Adam 11:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there Adam. I was going to post this on your Talk page, but see that it is currently protected. I'd like to ask your advise on a matter, given that you've been much more active on controversial Wikipedia articles than I have.
I've recently been reported for vandalism concerning the Censorship in Thailand article. I believe, of course, that all of my edits have been in good faith. But this is one of those frustrating articles that is edited by only two people, and both of them seem to have a different perspective on things.
The other editor suggested taking a time-out for several weeks - I countersuggested that we try to work things out rather than resort to self-censorship. I thought things were going well, then, wham, I get hit with a vandalism report and the article becomes protected (I had stopped editing the article since things heated up, so I don't mind the protection).
I've read the guidelines of Vandalism, and re-read the Civility guidelines and all that. You've probably been through this before - how do you deal with such things? Patiwat 14:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome, Patiwat. I notice that you and alpha60 have some different oppinion regarding many topics. I'll try not to introduce any disputed content for the time being.
I gave up on the April election after it was annulled, so I don't have any consituency level figures. Since the elections were not contested by the opposition the only useful data would be the TRT vote versus the abstention vote, but the ECT never produced this data at constituency level. So all I have is the abstention vote by province, which I think I showed you. I doubt in any case that the figures would be very useful for comparing with a contested local government election. Adam 06:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I used the map at Ethnologue. Obviously any line on a map is going to be rather arbitrary - do you think it is wrong? Adam 02:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Are there images we can substitute for the apparent illegal garuda in the Bhumipol article? Lv answer on Bhumipol's talk page in GA section. Rlevse 18:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have no intention of getting into a revert war over the family info box. I haven't even touched it. Thanks for your edits so far. Patiwat 18:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone put a [citation needed] tag in the intro. I'll look for a cite, but you may have a better idea of where to find one. Someone will object if it's there before and we haven't found a cite for it at that time. Rlevse 10:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Patiwat. I appreciate your concern with regards to the copyright of the images Prince-Rangsit1.jpg, Rangsit2.jpg and Rangsit-Mountbatten.jpg. You are right that I am the not the creator of the image Prince-Rangsit1.jpg (no I’m not 95 years old), I have thus replaced the Licensing from (GFDL-self) to (GFDL). I have opted GFDL status for the images, since they belong to our family, and we possess the original copies. Perhaps I should mention that some photos have also appeared in the book, First Trip abroad 1899 (2005) of which my immediate family member is the copy right holder.
regards Maharaj Devraj 16:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so I've got (Image:Mahidols-1938.jpg) uploaded for now. As I said, its not the most recent photo.. but certainly is an interesting one! -Devraj
If you have a url for the formatted ref I made for your firearm ref, please add it. I can't find a URL. Rlevse 23:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I've gone over the article for consistent naming. I left some alone, as when it referred to a title, the office of the king, or things like "the King and Queen". Please look it over for consistency now. On another note, I'm only slightly surprised at the vandalism and non-objectivity of those editors causing problems. Rlevse 11:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Please read Help:Moving a page, when you move a page you might consider "move" instead of "copy over" to keep the "history" of it. -- Manop - TH 22:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The article Thanong Pho-arn has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This happened because the article seems to be about a person or group of persons but it does not indicate how or why that person or group is notable. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. You might also want to read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 04:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
To Patiwat, for his outstanding and tireless efforts in making Thailand-related articles better, especially in helping get Bhumibol Adulyadej to featured status. Rlevse 14:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) |
Congratulations indeed. You can now rightly put the userbox below in your user page. Cheers.
Anagnorisis
18:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This user helped promote Bhumibol Adulyadej to featured article status. |
I'll keep an eye on it in Peer Review, but it will probably benefit from another reviewer's opinion, so I won't comment on it unless it sits around for a while (since some reviewers scan through for requests that have had no responses). Cheers, Yomangani talk 10:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I see you already went to the talk page of Ajahn Chah also, I felt the same about Kiaw versus Somdet Kiaw. As far as I am aware, people do not call him Kiaw, which would be disrespectful. Somdet Kiaw also makes clear which Kiaw is meant, I would think there are a few Kiaws in Thailand. Greetings, Sacca 10:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)