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The purpose of Talk:Evolution isn't to discuss the validity of evolution, but rather to discuss ways to improve the article. Guettarda 05:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a Roman Catholic who believes in creationism, but I also believe in certain parts of evolution. The theory of natural selection makes perfect sense and there are many examples of it as well. However, certain parts of evolution do not make sense. One such point I would like to talk about from a scientific and spiritual view is the theory that humans evolved from apes.
First of all, when apes were evolving into humans and became the species of homo erectus and then the species of homo habilis, what happened to the species of homo habilis and homo erectus? There are no fossil records that show any such species ever existed.
Also, using logic, say hypothetically, a group of homo habilis primates went to an area, and settled, wouldn't conditions have been okay for them to stay as they are and not evolve? The world has stayed relativily the same for the last 20,000 years as far as I know. So why would the homo habilis species have to evolve. There are thousands upon thousands of examples of species that have stayed the same, some even since the time of the dinosaur(the shark). So it would be a pretty rare occurence the the entire species of the homo habilis would wipe out.
Let's remember that homo habilis creatures would be really smart. They are a cross between a human and an ape and humans we obviously know are extremely smart and apes are pretty smart too, so why would the homo habilis stay in an environment that would force them to evolve, which would take a very long time as evolutionists will admit, when they could just move to another area in which life would be suitable to live and they would not have to evolve? Also, this would happen not just with homo habilis, but with homo erectus, too. The chances of that happening are so small that you can just rule it out automatically.
Another fault I would like to discuss about the theory of humans evolving from apes(although a strange one) also has a little bit of a spiritual side to it, too. Primates have sex in which the male mounts the female from the back because that's where the female's vagina is, but a human female's vagina is in her front. If humans evolved from apes, then during that evolution, the female's vagina moved to the front. I see no evolutionary gain in moving the vagina of the female to the front. For primates, having the female's vagina in the back has one main advantage: it would be much easier for primates to have sex in a tree where as if they had sex as humans have it, it would be especially diffucult to balance in a tree in the position they would be in. If there were predators below it would be dangerous. Then what advantage would it play in moving the vagina of a female human to the front? none, from an evolutionary standpoint. It would be more of a disadvantage. And, according to evolution, every evolutionary change in anatomy produces some advantagious change. So why do human females have their vagina in the front? Because they never evolved from apes and all humans were created special by God. Why did God put the human female's vagina in the front? Sex between a man and a woman is a very sacred thing, when they both have their genitals in front and they mount each other instead of a male mounting a female, it shows that they are equals. It also makes the it much more of an intimate and special embrace.
God has obviously made humans the best and to reign over all the other creatures with our bodies that don't really specialize in one particular thing as most other animal's bodies do, and God made us the smartest, too. But the most important thing God gave is our Spirit, our personality, which makes each and everyone of us unique and special and that is why God loves each of us so dearly and that is why I love God with my entire heart and soul. I hope I have changed your opinion on evolution and also your perception of the Catholic Church. I hope that in reading this that you may discover that if your heart is longing for something, that you will discover it and be satisfied with the great Lord Jesus Christ and his Father. Our Faith empowers us to do wonderful things, it empowered me to not be afraid and to write this blog, which few people may read but I hope it will mean something to those who do, after all I am only fourteen years old and I came up with all of the above reasons explaining away the theory that humans evolved from apes. - p_bodemeister
First, I would like to apologize for not doing as much research as I probably should have, especially concerning the statement, "There are no fossil records that show [homo habilis or homo erectus] ever existed." because there are, but it is debatable whether or not the species is a direct human ancestor as the wikipedia homo habilis article says. I would also like to apologize for trying to use wikipedia to express my views(I won't anymore because it will probably be deleted anyway, and because it should be used to say how the article could be improved). It's just that this is one of the main missions of the Catholic Church: to bring other people into the Catholic church. From posssibly 7/10/06 on I will use wikireason or those other free blogging services, but over the next couple of days I will argue about a few points Michael Johnson made. There are a few points that I will not even try to argue because I don't know nearly as much as I should because I thought I knew a lot about certain parts of human evolution but I don't (I'm only 14, give me a break), but I encourage other readers to do some research of their own on certain points I will not address. Let's remeber that about 1/3 of the world is Christian and don't believe humans evolved from apes for reasons that make sense. Just because I don't know all the answers doesn't mean other Christians don't and that all other Christians are wrong. This issue is being debated all the time as I type and will continue to be debated. Also, Michael Johnson, don't talk down to me because I am fourteen. I may not have as much experience in life as people of your age, but I do understand a lot of things about life. -p_bodemeister 7/6/06
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The purpose of Talk:Evolution isn't to discuss the validity of evolution, but rather to discuss ways to improve the article. Guettarda 05:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a Roman Catholic who believes in creationism, but I also believe in certain parts of evolution. The theory of natural selection makes perfect sense and there are many examples of it as well. However, certain parts of evolution do not make sense. One such point I would like to talk about from a scientific and spiritual view is the theory that humans evolved from apes.
First of all, when apes were evolving into humans and became the species of homo erectus and then the species of homo habilis, what happened to the species of homo habilis and homo erectus? There are no fossil records that show any such species ever existed.
Also, using logic, say hypothetically, a group of homo habilis primates went to an area, and settled, wouldn't conditions have been okay for them to stay as they are and not evolve? The world has stayed relativily the same for the last 20,000 years as far as I know. So why would the homo habilis species have to evolve. There are thousands upon thousands of examples of species that have stayed the same, some even since the time of the dinosaur(the shark). So it would be a pretty rare occurence the the entire species of the homo habilis would wipe out.
Let's remember that homo habilis creatures would be really smart. They are a cross between a human and an ape and humans we obviously know are extremely smart and apes are pretty smart too, so why would the homo habilis stay in an environment that would force them to evolve, which would take a very long time as evolutionists will admit, when they could just move to another area in which life would be suitable to live and they would not have to evolve? Also, this would happen not just with homo habilis, but with homo erectus, too. The chances of that happening are so small that you can just rule it out automatically.
Another fault I would like to discuss about the theory of humans evolving from apes(although a strange one) also has a little bit of a spiritual side to it, too. Primates have sex in which the male mounts the female from the back because that's where the female's vagina is, but a human female's vagina is in her front. If humans evolved from apes, then during that evolution, the female's vagina moved to the front. I see no evolutionary gain in moving the vagina of the female to the front. For primates, having the female's vagina in the back has one main advantage: it would be much easier for primates to have sex in a tree where as if they had sex as humans have it, it would be especially diffucult to balance in a tree in the position they would be in. If there were predators below it would be dangerous. Then what advantage would it play in moving the vagina of a female human to the front? none, from an evolutionary standpoint. It would be more of a disadvantage. And, according to evolution, every evolutionary change in anatomy produces some advantagious change. So why do human females have their vagina in the front? Because they never evolved from apes and all humans were created special by God. Why did God put the human female's vagina in the front? Sex between a man and a woman is a very sacred thing, when they both have their genitals in front and they mount each other instead of a male mounting a female, it shows that they are equals. It also makes the it much more of an intimate and special embrace.
God has obviously made humans the best and to reign over all the other creatures with our bodies that don't really specialize in one particular thing as most other animal's bodies do, and God made us the smartest, too. But the most important thing God gave is our Spirit, our personality, which makes each and everyone of us unique and special and that is why God loves each of us so dearly and that is why I love God with my entire heart and soul. I hope I have changed your opinion on evolution and also your perception of the Catholic Church. I hope that in reading this that you may discover that if your heart is longing for something, that you will discover it and be satisfied with the great Lord Jesus Christ and his Father. Our Faith empowers us to do wonderful things, it empowered me to not be afraid and to write this blog, which few people may read but I hope it will mean something to those who do, after all I am only fourteen years old and I came up with all of the above reasons explaining away the theory that humans evolved from apes. - p_bodemeister
First, I would like to apologize for not doing as much research as I probably should have, especially concerning the statement, "There are no fossil records that show [homo habilis or homo erectus] ever existed." because there are, but it is debatable whether or not the species is a direct human ancestor as the wikipedia homo habilis article says. I would also like to apologize for trying to use wikipedia to express my views(I won't anymore because it will probably be deleted anyway, and because it should be used to say how the article could be improved). It's just that this is one of the main missions of the Catholic Church: to bring other people into the Catholic church. From posssibly 7/10/06 on I will use wikireason or those other free blogging services, but over the next couple of days I will argue about a few points Michael Johnson made. There are a few points that I will not even try to argue because I don't know nearly as much as I should because I thought I knew a lot about certain parts of human evolution but I don't (I'm only 14, give me a break), but I encourage other readers to do some research of their own on certain points I will not address. Let's remeber that about 1/3 of the world is Christian and don't believe humans evolved from apes for reasons that make sense. Just because I don't know all the answers doesn't mean other Christians don't and that all other Christians are wrong. This issue is being debated all the time as I type and will continue to be debated. Also, Michael Johnson, don't talk down to me because I am fourteen. I may not have as much experience in life as people of your age, but I do understand a lot of things about life. -p_bodemeister 7/6/06
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