Happy New Year! I hope you have a happy, safe and successful year. Bidgee ( talk) 00:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Sock check at isle 1 please... Timeshift ( talk) 05:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
...and a happy new year :-) - I've begun userspace tidy up and general improvement of the chinese sydney immigration article - and look forward to getting it into mainspace in due course :-) - I'm swinging by here though to let you know that I mentioned you here in asking for a bit more advice on the issue of sourcing etc. at the article (related to whether or not we can use the author's source as a reliable one) - thought I should let you know..... I also responded to a post you left on the talk page of the article, but that might be all water under the bridge now? - drop me a line any time if you want to raise anything, or chat.... :-) Privatemusings ( talk) 21:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Bobisbob2 keeps changing the infobox image [1] to an unnatural image as the roos are not found in green grass areas and the image is from the US of A. Bidgee ( talk) 04:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
An IP under the 124.xx.xx.xx (Who is likely to have a COI in the NAB) keeps removing the image [3] and has been for sometime (Steve knows this issue). Bidgee ( talk) 09:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. You have admin tools, please block falling rain. There is a consensus already. Gogounou had been using falling rain as a source for over a year and claimed it had 1071 people referenced to that site. It makes me very angry because this and official 2002 census data indicates Gogonou has 80,000 people. A huge blunder, it was out by 79/80. Please lets remove falling rain from wikipedia asap it is very damaging as shown here... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll ask Stifle. But if we don't do anything about it swiftly we are basically authorising 9,000 odd article to contain false sometime grossly inaccurate data... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I dunno, but I think I organize a bot or AWB operator to remove the links to falling rain. As Rich Farmborough said the problem will be removing the false data. Well if somebody tries to reference an article to falling rain I guess it would said "Spam filter" and block it. But it needs to be sorted asap as 9,000 articles which reference or contain links to false data is not good... Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Anything need doing? Just to put falling rain on the blacklist asap and remove all links to it... Ask Brion Vibber or somebody if you are unsure how to do it.. I can't see any counterargument for keeping it so blacklisting it shouldn't be controversial... While we are at it those "dream" articles need deleting too.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. Gigs is the only one who objects to the blacklisting. Oh it wouldn't work like that. The falling rain links would need to be removed first by a bot and then black listed to block it appearing again... I'll ask Farmborough if he can use AWB to remove the links but sometime we need to think about removing any false data it referenced too... First of all though the blacklisting has to be approved or declined so removal of links can commence.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have sent you an e-mail. -- Tenmei ( talk) 00:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
we do have WesternAustralia-rail-stub if you need it - we need a coffee/orange juice in the next week or so so i can give you about 3 vip cross ref items that can help coordinate stuff a bit better - real life, gmail or here is fine List_of_railways_constructed_by_the_Public_Works_Department_of_Western_Australia now exists Satu Suro 08:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you have at user "My mother in law owns officeworks" who edited on Tony Abbott, and 60.225.52.134 on Current pendulum for the next Australian federal election. Thanks! Timeshift ( talk) 05:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
What about User:LibStar? Why not just check all Lib-leaning contributors, there's not many and it seems half of them have been socks! :D Timeshift ( talk) 11:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Other fun sockmasters on the Australian scene - remember Premier / Steakknife / (insert IP here), the right-wing guy who could be relied upon for topics of Indigenous Australians and cannibalism, monarchism and Sir Joh. Orderinchaos 13:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
This guy seems very clued up for a newbie... sockcheck at isle one please! Timeshift ( talk) 07:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Also GlobalReviewer please... ugh... Timeshift ( talk) 01:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
What about this guy? Based on his edits, his apparent familiarity, and picking up where Watchover left off on a particular page, i give it a 99% chance. Timeshift ( talk) 06:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Sockcheck please! Timeshift ( talk) 03:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Considering some of the choices of page edits, it's certainly an interesting time this user picked to start editing again! Timeshift ( talk) 21:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
New account, wikiproject texas and NSW? yeah right... Timeshift ( talk) 13:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Where can this draft be seen ? YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 23:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Your opinion as an experienced admin? Timeshift ( talk) 13:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Ta. Timeshift ( talk) 13:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
If you can have a look at the expected re-revert that would be appreciated. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 04:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I know he's worn two hats, but do we really need two John_McGrath_(Western_Australian_politician) and John_McGrath_(Australian_politician) articles? Don't know if one should be redirected to the other or if a history merge is needed. As the main political editor in WA who has all the tools, I pass it on to you. The-Pope ( talk) 00:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
User talk:TroyfromAust is contesting their block. Of course, I'd agree that broadly they demonstrate a level of knowledge about Wikipedia usually not seen in brand new people, but also presumably you blocked them because you have the actual sockmaster in mind. Could you just let us all know who this is supposed to be so I can decline his unblock request? Thanks! -- Jayron 32 04:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Want to stick your neck and speedy User:Nezzadar/tools/Blacklist? User has left. While they were here it didn't give a shit about it; now they are gone I see no reason to continue ignoring it. (I thought it more proper I ask someone else rather than nuke it myself). Hesperian 05:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Your moniker at AWNB would be appreciated Satu Suro 01:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Aquinas College, Perth/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I really appreciated your comments at
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people, which will delete the vast majority of 50,000 articles created by 17,400 editors, most new editors.
You may also be interested in the group WP:Article Rescue Squadron which has fought hard to restore these 236 articles which the three administrators who have "utter contempt" for consensus deleted.
Thank you again for your comments. Ikip 01:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Have been watching the debate & discussions about reducing the amount of Australian unreferenced BLP at WP:Oz - think its a great idea & am more than happy to help out - if you want to shove any WP:Aus music articles my way - I'll see what I can do. In saying that will reference up Adalita Srsen as per your request. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Even I can't quite believe the amount of useful info I've gotten on this Melbourne trip. I have sourced populations for local governments to 1911 in NSW, TAS and SA (already had the other states), election information for VIC back to 1964 (perhaps 1955 by the time I finish tomorrow) and ministries in various states. Sadly UniMelb got rid of their QLD govt gazettes and SLV is missing five critical years of the Adelaide Advertiser. But I guess one can't have everything. Orderinchaos 12:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The map is crap - the text and map dont coincide - any ideas how to fix? Satu Suro 05:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi OIC. Can you please restore the above article when you get a chance. I have some photographs of the "town" at Commons:Category:Paruna, South Australia now, suitable for adding to an article. Also, if you have information on the District Council of Brown's Well, I have suitable photos for an article on that entity too. Hope you have enjoyed your trip out east. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 11:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
And Bower, South Australia too, please. Photos at Commons:Category:Bower, South Australia. Thanks heaps, Mattinbgn\ talk 06:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
One more please! Time for Weetulta, South Australia to be restored, photos at Commons:Category:Weetulta, South Australia. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 07:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Hope you had a great trip. Because of the heat and lack of rain I suppose, compared to the north-east of the country. Most of the south is suffering from a lack of rain; Lonnie only had 7.2mm of rain last month and 22.2mm in December down from an average of about 45mm per month ahead of Feb and Mar which are usually the driest. I was surprised about how big the Swan River was, especially after being used to the merky/muddy Tamar, yuck! And Kings Park is huge! — Aaroncrick ( talk) 00:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been renominated for deletion by User:Libstar. Since you took the time to comment in the first discussion, you deserve to be notified of the situation. Regards.-- Cdogsimmons ( talk) 03:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
DavidHuo... Timeshift ( talk) 10:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Do you think this revision was over the top? I'm not a fan of Nuttall, but I think that a list of every controversial call he made was over the top, regardless of whether he was corrupt or not. I have a feeling the removal might be controversial so I'm going early for the impartial third-party view =). Lankiveil ( speak to me) 08:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC).
A watchful eye would be appreciated... thanks... Timeshift ( talk) 10:09, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - also, what is your opinion on the latest Mike Rann contribution? It's definately WP:SYN... Timeshift ( talk) 10:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
"WP:BLP; WP:SYN - the added section appears to be advancing a "1-->2" argument which is not supported by the sources."
Really? I'm surprised. But it's well past bed time. I'll review ir again in daylight. Cheers,
Pdfpdf (
talk) 15:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
In this Internet café, I had used another computer, but the Internet café's owner told me that it was scraped. I lost the password. Above all, the link didn't helped to me in nothing. I wrote more than one hundred articles for wikipedia, but I can't do nothing on it. 201.8.108.172 ( talk) 15:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)agre22
Thanks for the research - I have access to BCC's 1907 minutes and he was not mayor at that point, although I do know he continued to serve as an Alderman for North Ward for a number of years after 1906, per here. Oh well, I shall keep digging :-). Lankiveil ( speak to me) 04:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC).
I believe we have a blocked editor ( LUUSAP ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) socking under IP's ( 129.130.32.229 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 206.248.133.143 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) (possibly a proxy or two) just to add the non-notable incident [6] [7] over the finance report on Seven News which happen to show so called "racy photos" in the back-ground.
LUUSAP also has a lovely large link on the Seven News talk page. Clearly they have a POV they are pushing and even though it made the US news it only did so as it's just another slow news week. Bidgee ( talk) 09:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, it seemed harsh to simply delete without singing its gastronomic praises. I am amused to see that C.Fred had been making a diligent effort over many edits to de-crapulate it—though perhaps he recalled Mythbusters #113 and decided they can polish it, so can he - Peripitus (Talk) 12:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been watching the additions there. My instinct is to torch it - while it's interesting, much of it is unsourced and questionably sourceable, and the fact that Andrew Landeryou's been editing the article ( User:Caitcatt) makes me wary as hell about the sudden interest. Thoughts? Rebecca ( talk) 17:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
caitcatt is not Andrew Landeryou and the material on Darebin is sourced. I suggest you look at the Elsum report which is cited, and also the cited material by some of the authors. The Neos Kosmos English Edition story is good about the Greek Councillors. The material is factual and can easily be checked. The election results are on the vec web site and the current councillors are on the Darebin Council website. Landeryou is not mentioned anywhere in the Darebin material. He did get make comments about the Darebin elections and so did Poll Bludger, but neither source has been cited.
Caitcatt ( talk) 09:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Per wikiproject talk, questionable Abbott images again. I also find the user's contributions to have a similar pattern to recent banned sock accounts... can you take a look? Timeshift ( talk) 11:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I've indef blocked the editor who uploaded this photo as they'd uploaded a bunch of other similar photos of Liberal politicians which lacked metadata and didn't appear to be self-made under a claim that they were the photo's author. I had the deletion page for this particular image open at the time you deleted it! Nick-D ( talk) 11:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this look like another sock of User:Watchover to you? -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 16:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This seems a bit de ja vu'ish... feels like we've been here before with this and think you were involved somehow... thoughts? Timeshift ( talk) 20:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Could you please also have a quick look at the mess that John Olsen has been turned in to? Timeshift ( talk) 20:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
You've complained about Amy McGrath not being objective, and have removed references to her, then you've removed all references to Lyle Allan and Ernest Healy. Allan has probably written more on the subject in Victoria than anyone else, and you can't say his work is not objective. You may disagree with Ernest Healy from Monash, but he made a significant contribution to the debate and in fact wrote the first academic article in a peer review journal (People and Place is peer reviewed) on the specific subject of branch stacking and you deleted it. Amy McGrath has some self published books to her credit, and runs an anti corruption organisation called the HS Chapman Society, but she is promoting a particular point of view, as you correctly say. If you don't think Allan is objective re-read the transcript of the Stateline program, to which there is a link, or was before you removed it. Could you please give this some thought, as much of the material you removed is very useful to students of the Victorian ALP. There is almost no Victorian content now on branch stacking.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 22:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
WP needs historical material. Branch stacking is old and it has occurred in all parties. My first knowledge of it in the Liberal Party was in the preselection of Phil Lynch in the 1960s, when BA Santamaria was said to be involved. Power Without Glory gives a good description of the practice in Richmond in 1945 when Stan Keon won for the ALP. It does go on in all parties and if you read the references by Allan he mentions that at some length. The Healy articles are specifically about ethnic branch stacking and were the first written on the subject. Healy argues multiculturalism is a factor in branch stacking and you may or may not agree with this. It is still an issue. In Queensland ethnic stacking is not an issue. The areas in Victoria and NSW where stacking takes place in the ALP have ethnic populations and it is important that a distiction is made between ethnic stacking and mere stacking and that was done in the Stateline interview last year. You say why are we using 16 year old references yet you removed an important reference where that very point was made and it was made last year. Also the old DLP stacking is sometimes argued in the Victorian ALP. In Isaacs Right wing stacking that wasn't ethnically based caused the defeat of Ann Corcoran. Landeryou denied there was any stacking in Isaacs, as he would. Stacking occurs in the Greens, and it has not been documented as the media don't want to know about it. David Risstrom's loss of Senate preselection is a case in point.
It's just that most of the material about stacking relates to the ALP. There has been Indian stacking in the Liberal Party. A Mr Srinivasan is reputed to have spent $70,000 to obtain Liberal preselection for Forest Hills in Victoria in 2002, but the Liberal Party lost in a landslide to the ALP in that year and while he won preselection he lost to Labor's Kirsty Marshall. Most of my knowledge is Victorian but there is a lot of material on the site about NSW stacking. The failure of the site to now include the most important and relevant articles, even if some of them are old, is a great omission. I'm not an authority on non-Australian branch stacking but it appears that when there is a more centralised party system there is either less of it or it takes a different form, like stacking political conventions and changing party rules to get a desired result.
I'm happy to rewrite it to include the important references and make it shorter. I think some historical material should go there. I think Healy should be included because of the debate he engendered (Theo Theophanous being a big critic of his) and perhaps only one of the Amy McGrath references, for she mentions the subject at considerable length although her material is not from first hand knowledge.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
WP asks for the entry on Noel Beaton to be expanded. I did just that and quoted two references, but you say it is not encyclopedic. Although he died about six years ago he is still talked about fondly in the Bendigo area. He had potential, and ill health prevented him from continuing in parliament. If you object to the detail you cannot object to the references, and they ought to at least stay. Clarey's book on Labor in Bendigo is quite good on his preselection, and even if you just put in a footnote about the election result the book should be mentioned. Whitington's book is good on a lot of rising MPs in the 1960s, and it should be referenced too. If you consider my material not encyclopedic it just needs to be shortened. I'm happy to shorten it if you wish.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 02:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added the references but have deferred to your views. I think the comments about Bill Allan should go in as he is Jacinta Allan's grandfather and the fact that he stood down for Beaton is in Cleary's book. Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
That article has been cited a number of times and represents a point of view. What is the consensus of mainstream sources? When the article was written it was criticed by Andrew Landeryou, for whatever reason. Boundary drawing can influence the result of a close election. For example several federal elections were won by both major parties on a majority of the 2PP vote. If you read the article, which is in a refereed peer reviewed journal, you will see the figures that show polling booths along the Oakleigh to Dandenong railway lines where there are high NESB populations recorded Labor votes around 70 per cent. All of the three seats concerned were won by small margins. A different drawing of boundaries (the Americans are good at it and it is called equi-populous gerrymandering) would see Labor winning one seat, Hotham, instead of four. That would have been important in a close result. Of course there are other factors that determine an election result, like interest rates that were an issue in 2004, but birthplace is obviously one, and even if you disagree with that the fact that it has been suggested in academic journals with some degree of presige means it at least ought to be mentioned.
I've been fairly restrained in my response to you, and I have not reverted any of your edits, but I would ask you to reconsider your deletion, even if you disagree, as Andrew Landeryou does, with the findings of the research.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I can't be bothered getting into an over technical argument. Of the three authors you criticise two are sociologists but the one who did the work on the Melbourne booth figures is a political scientist. The article may be some guy's theory. Academics can be very bitchy and it is very easy to selectively demolish someone else's arguments. Andrew Landeryou would be proud of you, for you mirror everything he said on this topic.
It would not be difficult to move the boundaries to produce three Liberal seats. Labor did better in 2007 and any analysis of that year is irrelevant to 2004. In 2004 the margins were about three per cent, but the Labor win in Holt was a narrow one. The boundaries were different in 2004 to the boundaries at an earlier election, and that was why Holt changed from a very safe Labor seat to a marginal one. Part of Labor Dandenong was excised from the new Holt. Chisholm benefits from a housing commission estate around the Alemein railway line, and that area has a Labor Councillor in Boroondara Council, believe it or not. Chisholm could go north to include parts of Menzies which are safe Liberal territory, and incidentally the birthplace data there doesn't hold up as a lot of wealthy Chinese are not Labor voters. The areas of around Ferntree Gully and also the Aston electorate are swingers, and the ALP Greens combination is not as strong as you might think. The ALP lost most of the seats it held in the ranges area in the state elections of 2006, possibly over a toll road. The area is an area with Labor organisation less than strong and a Labor vote that is rarely a majority 2PP. No one, apart from Andrew Landeryou and yourself, has criticised that research. It is your opinion the research is flawed. It isn't. You can claim there are other variables and there are. That should be your argument, not the qualifications of the writers or your claim that this is a race-based theory. That is your view. It is not mine. Birth place doesn't necessarily mean anything. It can suggest there are large proportions of people from a particular ethnic background living in an area. It doesn't suggest race. When a member of the Victorian Electoral Commission objected to birthplace studies (without criticising the accuracy of the research) as being racist it was pointed out that an respected book on the rise of Hitler contains a study of the ethnic and religious regions of Germany and how they voted in the last free elections in Germany in the 1930s. Nazi strength was greatest in Lutheran and areas considered "pure German" whatever that meant. The Roman Catholic areas of Germany had the lowest proportion of Nazi voters. She ceased her criticism.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Branch stacking is obviously your pet topic and you have edited the article so that it has only a definition (and it is quite a good one) and some descriptive material but no references whatever to Victoria, so the article is not very valuable to anyone seeking references on the subject as these have all been removed. There is no reference to the difference between stacking and ethnic stacking, for example, that took up a bit of time on Stateline.
You differ from other editors, who are happy for articles to have references added. You only want references that conform to a certain style. As for debate on WP and fringe theories I think you need to give examples where these apply in my case. I spoke this morning with a person who works for a Senator in Canberra about my problems with various editors, and he said he had given up WP as he has better things to do in life than to argue with the sorts of people who edit on the so-called encyclopedia called WP. He does not agree with some of the views expressed by some of the authors you've deleted, but he thinks they should at least be there. He told me your friend rebecca is a member of the WA Greens so I think he knows who she is and may know who you are although he didn't tell me.
I find arguing with editors pointless. They continually change the goalposts, quote WP procedures like a lawyer when they conform to their own point of view, and use arguments only they can understand. Often they are ignorant of history.
Boundary changes, for example, may be crucial to the performance of a party in a particular seat. Look at HV Evatt, who narrowly won his seat in the 1950s. The Holt boundary change was important, yet you dismiss it. Your reference to Broadmeadows I do not understand. The Liberals held the seat prior to 1962 when it included a large rural hinterland. Broadmeadows then was not the population centre it is now. Harold Kane also worked his guts out. The Liberal candidate at the 1962 by-election after Kane's premature death was not a good one. He talked like a cocky and said people who lived in the cities had never had to put up with outdoor sanitary facilities. He was ignorant of the fact that many houses in suburban Broadmeadows at the time were not sewered and still had a pan toilet. This was offensive and he lost the seat to the ALP. Boundary changes made the seat urban rather than semi rural and it has been safe for the ALP since.
On contiguous boundaries and natural boundaries the AEC doesn't always follow its own policies. Look at Franklin in Tasmania. It includes the Eastern Shore of Hobart north of the Derwent, where most of its booths and population are located, and also includes areas of low population south of the Derwent like Taroona (where Princess Mary of Denmark comes from), Kingston, Huonville and then the big but depopulated rural areas south. Another example is Yarra, which once included Richmond and Hawthorn, ignoring the Yarra as a natural boundary and that made the seat marginal when Jim Cairns won it in 1955 and Batman which didn't go north south but went east west and included Northcote and Ivanhoe, crossing the Darebin Creek, and that made the seat marginal when Sam Benson only won by about 300 votes in 1963.
One of the worst examples of a non-contiguous boundary was Barron River in Queensland during the Bjelke Petersen era. A small town with about 200 voters, almost all Labor, was included in a nearly Labor electorate, yet all of the area circling the town was in Barron River. It was a clear case of gerrymandering. The AEC is professional and doesn't do that.
I don't want to argue about what if. I think the point was well made in People and Place and if you think it's a small point I won't pursue it. I'm not going to put in place grievance procedures for I can't be bothered.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 10:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not trying to smear you and I'm sorry if I've given you that impression. I wish you well in your editing. I won't give up on WP but I will contribute, not as much as I have been, but I'll mainly be adding references and not content. I just can't stand the politics involved.
I am much older than I suspect you are and I remember a lot of things and some younger people tell me they don't know anything about what I am talking about. For example I find the Orr case in Tasmania fascinating. I hope you won't edit that out of existence. I haven't touched it except for adding a reference to a book co-authored by an ex Liberal MHR on the subject. The book was pro-Orr. I presented my first academic paper at Wrest Point Casino in Hobart in 1979 and I was told by my MA supervisor at the time from the University of Melbourne not to mention the Orr case in conversation as people still had strong views about it, and his advice was good as I later found out as the person chairing the session for my paper was one of the key figures anti-Orr in the 1950s. I think they still talk about it down there, and Cassandra Pybus wrote a book about it that turned out to be anti-Orr. I'm not taking sides one way or the other but it was a fascinating case.
Anyway I don't wish you any ill will and I hope if you ever go to the dogs at Cannington you are more successful than I was. I went there last year when I was in Perth with some friends who used to live in Melbourne about thirty years ago. Thanks for your comments about Brian Burke. I've never met him but I have met Geoff Gallop and he's a very nice man and was a very able Premier and it's a pity he had to stop down. Len Brush, who used to work for Brian Burke, was a neighbour of mine about forty years ago. I always thought that he was an honest man and I still think he is.
The Greens in WA and in particular Chrissy Sharp and Dee Margetts have done the state a lot of harm and are responsible for the Legislative Council being apportioned in a worse way than it was before. Under pr an odd and not an even number should be elected. All upper house seats in WA are odd numbered and this means the division in 5 of the 6 regions will be 3 conservative and 3 ALP or Green. In Agricultural the ALP currently holds one and the conservatives 5 giving them a majority in the upper house. The new boundaries were insisted upon by the stupid Greens at the time. Senator Kim Carr once said the WA Greens were mad and he's right. One WA Green elected to one local council is a psychic! She could be OK though. The campaign by the local government peak body in WA for first past the post voting was disgraceful. Unfortunately thanks to the Greens the conservatives have the numbers.
Best wishes Bagdadjenny ( talk) 11:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
At the Footnoted quotes arbitration request, I've responded to your comment. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 13:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
You've noticed that you had to del athletes again? See here. They were already deleted by The-Pope but inadvertently reinstated (assumming Good Faith error) by Hack later in the day. Other editors, myself included, have come along and done the usual business so that a simple revert won't do the job. I don't know how to fix this easily and have asked Hack to do so, here. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 06:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Can I ask why Michael Atkinson was been blocked for edit-warring, when only two edits have been made (apart from you placing the block) since the 3rd of February? I realise that question may sound a little accusatory, but that's not what I mean by it, I'm just wondering is all. Thanks! -- Lear's Fool ( talk | contribs) 00:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I wrote to you that it was April 2008, but that was a typo on my part. The diffs I included in my original response to you posting at the RFAR show clearly that the applicable time was April 2009. It doesn't change my own position at all. Sorry about the confusion. (To respond more directly to your post on my talk page—I would date the start of my "friendship" with Kbdank71 to around June or July 2009. Before that I knew him, of course, because we both closed CfDs, but didn't have much to do directly with him as he did not much but close CFDs. I never was what you would call "friends" with Otto4711—he actually kind of disliked me because months earlier I had tried to broker a peace between him and Alansohn, and he didn't like some of the stuff I said about what he had done.) Cheers,
Good Ol’factory
(talk) 06:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Where did you find that he was better known as Ryott Maughan? Psephos makes a distinction between him contesting as Ryott Maughan in 1901 (for Moreton) and as Maughan in 1913 (successfully). It looks as though he used Ryott Maughan only early in his career. Frickeg ( talk) 02:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Electoral_district_of_Redcliffe&diff=345429565&oldid=312311443
That's some career... I'd love to know the story behind it if you have any information! :-) Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC).
Happy New Year! I hope you have a happy, safe and successful year. Bidgee ( talk) 00:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Sock check at isle 1 please... Timeshift ( talk) 05:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
...and a happy new year :-) - I've begun userspace tidy up and general improvement of the chinese sydney immigration article - and look forward to getting it into mainspace in due course :-) - I'm swinging by here though to let you know that I mentioned you here in asking for a bit more advice on the issue of sourcing etc. at the article (related to whether or not we can use the author's source as a reliable one) - thought I should let you know..... I also responded to a post you left on the talk page of the article, but that might be all water under the bridge now? - drop me a line any time if you want to raise anything, or chat.... :-) Privatemusings ( talk) 21:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Bobisbob2 keeps changing the infobox image [1] to an unnatural image as the roos are not found in green grass areas and the image is from the US of A. Bidgee ( talk) 04:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
An IP under the 124.xx.xx.xx (Who is likely to have a COI in the NAB) keeps removing the image [3] and has been for sometime (Steve knows this issue). Bidgee ( talk) 09:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. You have admin tools, please block falling rain. There is a consensus already. Gogounou had been using falling rain as a source for over a year and claimed it had 1071 people referenced to that site. It makes me very angry because this and official 2002 census data indicates Gogonou has 80,000 people. A huge blunder, it was out by 79/80. Please lets remove falling rain from wikipedia asap it is very damaging as shown here... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll ask Stifle. But if we don't do anything about it swiftly we are basically authorising 9,000 odd article to contain false sometime grossly inaccurate data... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I dunno, but I think I organize a bot or AWB operator to remove the links to falling rain. As Rich Farmborough said the problem will be removing the false data. Well if somebody tries to reference an article to falling rain I guess it would said "Spam filter" and block it. But it needs to be sorted asap as 9,000 articles which reference or contain links to false data is not good... Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Anything need doing? Just to put falling rain on the blacklist asap and remove all links to it... Ask Brion Vibber or somebody if you are unsure how to do it.. I can't see any counterargument for keeping it so blacklisting it shouldn't be controversial... While we are at it those "dream" articles need deleting too.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. Gigs is the only one who objects to the blacklisting. Oh it wouldn't work like that. The falling rain links would need to be removed first by a bot and then black listed to block it appearing again... I'll ask Farmborough if he can use AWB to remove the links but sometime we need to think about removing any false data it referenced too... First of all though the blacklisting has to be approved or declined so removal of links can commence.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I have sent you an e-mail. -- Tenmei ( talk) 00:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
we do have WesternAustralia-rail-stub if you need it - we need a coffee/orange juice in the next week or so so i can give you about 3 vip cross ref items that can help coordinate stuff a bit better - real life, gmail or here is fine List_of_railways_constructed_by_the_Public_Works_Department_of_Western_Australia now exists Satu Suro 08:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you have at user "My mother in law owns officeworks" who edited on Tony Abbott, and 60.225.52.134 on Current pendulum for the next Australian federal election. Thanks! Timeshift ( talk) 05:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
What about User:LibStar? Why not just check all Lib-leaning contributors, there's not many and it seems half of them have been socks! :D Timeshift ( talk) 11:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Other fun sockmasters on the Australian scene - remember Premier / Steakknife / (insert IP here), the right-wing guy who could be relied upon for topics of Indigenous Australians and cannibalism, monarchism and Sir Joh. Orderinchaos 13:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
This guy seems very clued up for a newbie... sockcheck at isle one please! Timeshift ( talk) 07:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Also GlobalReviewer please... ugh... Timeshift ( talk) 01:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
What about this guy? Based on his edits, his apparent familiarity, and picking up where Watchover left off on a particular page, i give it a 99% chance. Timeshift ( talk) 06:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Sockcheck please! Timeshift ( talk) 03:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Considering some of the choices of page edits, it's certainly an interesting time this user picked to start editing again! Timeshift ( talk) 21:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
New account, wikiproject texas and NSW? yeah right... Timeshift ( talk) 13:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Where can this draft be seen ? YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 23:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Your opinion as an experienced admin? Timeshift ( talk) 13:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Ta. Timeshift ( talk) 13:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
If you can have a look at the expected re-revert that would be appreciated. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 04:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I know he's worn two hats, but do we really need two John_McGrath_(Western_Australian_politician) and John_McGrath_(Australian_politician) articles? Don't know if one should be redirected to the other or if a history merge is needed. As the main political editor in WA who has all the tools, I pass it on to you. The-Pope ( talk) 00:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
User talk:TroyfromAust is contesting their block. Of course, I'd agree that broadly they demonstrate a level of knowledge about Wikipedia usually not seen in brand new people, but also presumably you blocked them because you have the actual sockmaster in mind. Could you just let us all know who this is supposed to be so I can decline his unblock request? Thanks! -- Jayron 32 04:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Want to stick your neck and speedy User:Nezzadar/tools/Blacklist? User has left. While they were here it didn't give a shit about it; now they are gone I see no reason to continue ignoring it. (I thought it more proper I ask someone else rather than nuke it myself). Hesperian 05:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Your moniker at AWNB would be appreciated Satu Suro 01:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Aquinas College, Perth/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I really appreciated your comments at
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people, which will delete the vast majority of 50,000 articles created by 17,400 editors, most new editors.
You may also be interested in the group WP:Article Rescue Squadron which has fought hard to restore these 236 articles which the three administrators who have "utter contempt" for consensus deleted.
Thank you again for your comments. Ikip 01:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Have been watching the debate & discussions about reducing the amount of Australian unreferenced BLP at WP:Oz - think its a great idea & am more than happy to help out - if you want to shove any WP:Aus music articles my way - I'll see what I can do. In saying that will reference up Adalita Srsen as per your request. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Even I can't quite believe the amount of useful info I've gotten on this Melbourne trip. I have sourced populations for local governments to 1911 in NSW, TAS and SA (already had the other states), election information for VIC back to 1964 (perhaps 1955 by the time I finish tomorrow) and ministries in various states. Sadly UniMelb got rid of their QLD govt gazettes and SLV is missing five critical years of the Adelaide Advertiser. But I guess one can't have everything. Orderinchaos 12:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The map is crap - the text and map dont coincide - any ideas how to fix? Satu Suro 05:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi OIC. Can you please restore the above article when you get a chance. I have some photographs of the "town" at Commons:Category:Paruna, South Australia now, suitable for adding to an article. Also, if you have information on the District Council of Brown's Well, I have suitable photos for an article on that entity too. Hope you have enjoyed your trip out east. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 11:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
And Bower, South Australia too, please. Photos at Commons:Category:Bower, South Australia. Thanks heaps, Mattinbgn\ talk 06:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
One more please! Time for Weetulta, South Australia to be restored, photos at Commons:Category:Weetulta, South Australia. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 07:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Hope you had a great trip. Because of the heat and lack of rain I suppose, compared to the north-east of the country. Most of the south is suffering from a lack of rain; Lonnie only had 7.2mm of rain last month and 22.2mm in December down from an average of about 45mm per month ahead of Feb and Mar which are usually the driest. I was surprised about how big the Swan River was, especially after being used to the merky/muddy Tamar, yuck! And Kings Park is huge! — Aaroncrick ( talk) 00:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been renominated for deletion by User:Libstar. Since you took the time to comment in the first discussion, you deserve to be notified of the situation. Regards.-- Cdogsimmons ( talk) 03:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
DavidHuo... Timeshift ( talk) 10:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Do you think this revision was over the top? I'm not a fan of Nuttall, but I think that a list of every controversial call he made was over the top, regardless of whether he was corrupt or not. I have a feeling the removal might be controversial so I'm going early for the impartial third-party view =). Lankiveil ( speak to me) 08:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC).
A watchful eye would be appreciated... thanks... Timeshift ( talk) 10:09, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - also, what is your opinion on the latest Mike Rann contribution? It's definately WP:SYN... Timeshift ( talk) 10:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
"WP:BLP; WP:SYN - the added section appears to be advancing a "1-->2" argument which is not supported by the sources."
Really? I'm surprised. But it's well past bed time. I'll review ir again in daylight. Cheers,
Pdfpdf (
talk) 15:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
In this Internet café, I had used another computer, but the Internet café's owner told me that it was scraped. I lost the password. Above all, the link didn't helped to me in nothing. I wrote more than one hundred articles for wikipedia, but I can't do nothing on it. 201.8.108.172 ( talk) 15:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)agre22
Thanks for the research - I have access to BCC's 1907 minutes and he was not mayor at that point, although I do know he continued to serve as an Alderman for North Ward for a number of years after 1906, per here. Oh well, I shall keep digging :-). Lankiveil ( speak to me) 04:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC).
I believe we have a blocked editor ( LUUSAP ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) socking under IP's ( 129.130.32.229 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 206.248.133.143 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) (possibly a proxy or two) just to add the non-notable incident [6] [7] over the finance report on Seven News which happen to show so called "racy photos" in the back-ground.
LUUSAP also has a lovely large link on the Seven News talk page. Clearly they have a POV they are pushing and even though it made the US news it only did so as it's just another slow news week. Bidgee ( talk) 09:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, it seemed harsh to simply delete without singing its gastronomic praises. I am amused to see that C.Fred had been making a diligent effort over many edits to de-crapulate it—though perhaps he recalled Mythbusters #113 and decided they can polish it, so can he - Peripitus (Talk) 12:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been watching the additions there. My instinct is to torch it - while it's interesting, much of it is unsourced and questionably sourceable, and the fact that Andrew Landeryou's been editing the article ( User:Caitcatt) makes me wary as hell about the sudden interest. Thoughts? Rebecca ( talk) 17:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
caitcatt is not Andrew Landeryou and the material on Darebin is sourced. I suggest you look at the Elsum report which is cited, and also the cited material by some of the authors. The Neos Kosmos English Edition story is good about the Greek Councillors. The material is factual and can easily be checked. The election results are on the vec web site and the current councillors are on the Darebin Council website. Landeryou is not mentioned anywhere in the Darebin material. He did get make comments about the Darebin elections and so did Poll Bludger, but neither source has been cited.
Caitcatt ( talk) 09:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Per wikiproject talk, questionable Abbott images again. I also find the user's contributions to have a similar pattern to recent banned sock accounts... can you take a look? Timeshift ( talk) 11:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I've indef blocked the editor who uploaded this photo as they'd uploaded a bunch of other similar photos of Liberal politicians which lacked metadata and didn't appear to be self-made under a claim that they were the photo's author. I had the deletion page for this particular image open at the time you deleted it! Nick-D ( talk) 11:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this look like another sock of User:Watchover to you? -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 16:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This seems a bit de ja vu'ish... feels like we've been here before with this and think you were involved somehow... thoughts? Timeshift ( talk) 20:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Could you please also have a quick look at the mess that John Olsen has been turned in to? Timeshift ( talk) 20:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
You've complained about Amy McGrath not being objective, and have removed references to her, then you've removed all references to Lyle Allan and Ernest Healy. Allan has probably written more on the subject in Victoria than anyone else, and you can't say his work is not objective. You may disagree with Ernest Healy from Monash, but he made a significant contribution to the debate and in fact wrote the first academic article in a peer review journal (People and Place is peer reviewed) on the specific subject of branch stacking and you deleted it. Amy McGrath has some self published books to her credit, and runs an anti corruption organisation called the HS Chapman Society, but she is promoting a particular point of view, as you correctly say. If you don't think Allan is objective re-read the transcript of the Stateline program, to which there is a link, or was before you removed it. Could you please give this some thought, as much of the material you removed is very useful to students of the Victorian ALP. There is almost no Victorian content now on branch stacking.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 22:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
WP needs historical material. Branch stacking is old and it has occurred in all parties. My first knowledge of it in the Liberal Party was in the preselection of Phil Lynch in the 1960s, when BA Santamaria was said to be involved. Power Without Glory gives a good description of the practice in Richmond in 1945 when Stan Keon won for the ALP. It does go on in all parties and if you read the references by Allan he mentions that at some length. The Healy articles are specifically about ethnic branch stacking and were the first written on the subject. Healy argues multiculturalism is a factor in branch stacking and you may or may not agree with this. It is still an issue. In Queensland ethnic stacking is not an issue. The areas in Victoria and NSW where stacking takes place in the ALP have ethnic populations and it is important that a distiction is made between ethnic stacking and mere stacking and that was done in the Stateline interview last year. You say why are we using 16 year old references yet you removed an important reference where that very point was made and it was made last year. Also the old DLP stacking is sometimes argued in the Victorian ALP. In Isaacs Right wing stacking that wasn't ethnically based caused the defeat of Ann Corcoran. Landeryou denied there was any stacking in Isaacs, as he would. Stacking occurs in the Greens, and it has not been documented as the media don't want to know about it. David Risstrom's loss of Senate preselection is a case in point.
It's just that most of the material about stacking relates to the ALP. There has been Indian stacking in the Liberal Party. A Mr Srinivasan is reputed to have spent $70,000 to obtain Liberal preselection for Forest Hills in Victoria in 2002, but the Liberal Party lost in a landslide to the ALP in that year and while he won preselection he lost to Labor's Kirsty Marshall. Most of my knowledge is Victorian but there is a lot of material on the site about NSW stacking. The failure of the site to now include the most important and relevant articles, even if some of them are old, is a great omission. I'm not an authority on non-Australian branch stacking but it appears that when there is a more centralised party system there is either less of it or it takes a different form, like stacking political conventions and changing party rules to get a desired result.
I'm happy to rewrite it to include the important references and make it shorter. I think some historical material should go there. I think Healy should be included because of the debate he engendered (Theo Theophanous being a big critic of his) and perhaps only one of the Amy McGrath references, for she mentions the subject at considerable length although her material is not from first hand knowledge.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
WP asks for the entry on Noel Beaton to be expanded. I did just that and quoted two references, but you say it is not encyclopedic. Although he died about six years ago he is still talked about fondly in the Bendigo area. He had potential, and ill health prevented him from continuing in parliament. If you object to the detail you cannot object to the references, and they ought to at least stay. Clarey's book on Labor in Bendigo is quite good on his preselection, and even if you just put in a footnote about the election result the book should be mentioned. Whitington's book is good on a lot of rising MPs in the 1960s, and it should be referenced too. If you consider my material not encyclopedic it just needs to be shortened. I'm happy to shorten it if you wish.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 02:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added the references but have deferred to your views. I think the comments about Bill Allan should go in as he is Jacinta Allan's grandfather and the fact that he stood down for Beaton is in Cleary's book. Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
That article has been cited a number of times and represents a point of view. What is the consensus of mainstream sources? When the article was written it was criticed by Andrew Landeryou, for whatever reason. Boundary drawing can influence the result of a close election. For example several federal elections were won by both major parties on a majority of the 2PP vote. If you read the article, which is in a refereed peer reviewed journal, you will see the figures that show polling booths along the Oakleigh to Dandenong railway lines where there are high NESB populations recorded Labor votes around 70 per cent. All of the three seats concerned were won by small margins. A different drawing of boundaries (the Americans are good at it and it is called equi-populous gerrymandering) would see Labor winning one seat, Hotham, instead of four. That would have been important in a close result. Of course there are other factors that determine an election result, like interest rates that were an issue in 2004, but birthplace is obviously one, and even if you disagree with that the fact that it has been suggested in academic journals with some degree of presige means it at least ought to be mentioned.
I've been fairly restrained in my response to you, and I have not reverted any of your edits, but I would ask you to reconsider your deletion, even if you disagree, as Andrew Landeryou does, with the findings of the research.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I can't be bothered getting into an over technical argument. Of the three authors you criticise two are sociologists but the one who did the work on the Melbourne booth figures is a political scientist. The article may be some guy's theory. Academics can be very bitchy and it is very easy to selectively demolish someone else's arguments. Andrew Landeryou would be proud of you, for you mirror everything he said on this topic.
It would not be difficult to move the boundaries to produce three Liberal seats. Labor did better in 2007 and any analysis of that year is irrelevant to 2004. In 2004 the margins were about three per cent, but the Labor win in Holt was a narrow one. The boundaries were different in 2004 to the boundaries at an earlier election, and that was why Holt changed from a very safe Labor seat to a marginal one. Part of Labor Dandenong was excised from the new Holt. Chisholm benefits from a housing commission estate around the Alemein railway line, and that area has a Labor Councillor in Boroondara Council, believe it or not. Chisholm could go north to include parts of Menzies which are safe Liberal territory, and incidentally the birthplace data there doesn't hold up as a lot of wealthy Chinese are not Labor voters. The areas of around Ferntree Gully and also the Aston electorate are swingers, and the ALP Greens combination is not as strong as you might think. The ALP lost most of the seats it held in the ranges area in the state elections of 2006, possibly over a toll road. The area is an area with Labor organisation less than strong and a Labor vote that is rarely a majority 2PP. No one, apart from Andrew Landeryou and yourself, has criticised that research. It is your opinion the research is flawed. It isn't. You can claim there are other variables and there are. That should be your argument, not the qualifications of the writers or your claim that this is a race-based theory. That is your view. It is not mine. Birth place doesn't necessarily mean anything. It can suggest there are large proportions of people from a particular ethnic background living in an area. It doesn't suggest race. When a member of the Victorian Electoral Commission objected to birthplace studies (without criticising the accuracy of the research) as being racist it was pointed out that an respected book on the rise of Hitler contains a study of the ethnic and religious regions of Germany and how they voted in the last free elections in Germany in the 1930s. Nazi strength was greatest in Lutheran and areas considered "pure German" whatever that meant. The Roman Catholic areas of Germany had the lowest proportion of Nazi voters. She ceased her criticism.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 07:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Branch stacking is obviously your pet topic and you have edited the article so that it has only a definition (and it is quite a good one) and some descriptive material but no references whatever to Victoria, so the article is not very valuable to anyone seeking references on the subject as these have all been removed. There is no reference to the difference between stacking and ethnic stacking, for example, that took up a bit of time on Stateline.
You differ from other editors, who are happy for articles to have references added. You only want references that conform to a certain style. As for debate on WP and fringe theories I think you need to give examples where these apply in my case. I spoke this morning with a person who works for a Senator in Canberra about my problems with various editors, and he said he had given up WP as he has better things to do in life than to argue with the sorts of people who edit on the so-called encyclopedia called WP. He does not agree with some of the views expressed by some of the authors you've deleted, but he thinks they should at least be there. He told me your friend rebecca is a member of the WA Greens so I think he knows who she is and may know who you are although he didn't tell me.
I find arguing with editors pointless. They continually change the goalposts, quote WP procedures like a lawyer when they conform to their own point of view, and use arguments only they can understand. Often they are ignorant of history.
Boundary changes, for example, may be crucial to the performance of a party in a particular seat. Look at HV Evatt, who narrowly won his seat in the 1950s. The Holt boundary change was important, yet you dismiss it. Your reference to Broadmeadows I do not understand. The Liberals held the seat prior to 1962 when it included a large rural hinterland. Broadmeadows then was not the population centre it is now. Harold Kane also worked his guts out. The Liberal candidate at the 1962 by-election after Kane's premature death was not a good one. He talked like a cocky and said people who lived in the cities had never had to put up with outdoor sanitary facilities. He was ignorant of the fact that many houses in suburban Broadmeadows at the time were not sewered and still had a pan toilet. This was offensive and he lost the seat to the ALP. Boundary changes made the seat urban rather than semi rural and it has been safe for the ALP since.
On contiguous boundaries and natural boundaries the AEC doesn't always follow its own policies. Look at Franklin in Tasmania. It includes the Eastern Shore of Hobart north of the Derwent, where most of its booths and population are located, and also includes areas of low population south of the Derwent like Taroona (where Princess Mary of Denmark comes from), Kingston, Huonville and then the big but depopulated rural areas south. Another example is Yarra, which once included Richmond and Hawthorn, ignoring the Yarra as a natural boundary and that made the seat marginal when Jim Cairns won it in 1955 and Batman which didn't go north south but went east west and included Northcote and Ivanhoe, crossing the Darebin Creek, and that made the seat marginal when Sam Benson only won by about 300 votes in 1963.
One of the worst examples of a non-contiguous boundary was Barron River in Queensland during the Bjelke Petersen era. A small town with about 200 voters, almost all Labor, was included in a nearly Labor electorate, yet all of the area circling the town was in Barron River. It was a clear case of gerrymandering. The AEC is professional and doesn't do that.
I don't want to argue about what if. I think the point was well made in People and Place and if you think it's a small point I won't pursue it. I'm not going to put in place grievance procedures for I can't be bothered.
Bagdadjenny ( talk) 10:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not trying to smear you and I'm sorry if I've given you that impression. I wish you well in your editing. I won't give up on WP but I will contribute, not as much as I have been, but I'll mainly be adding references and not content. I just can't stand the politics involved.
I am much older than I suspect you are and I remember a lot of things and some younger people tell me they don't know anything about what I am talking about. For example I find the Orr case in Tasmania fascinating. I hope you won't edit that out of existence. I haven't touched it except for adding a reference to a book co-authored by an ex Liberal MHR on the subject. The book was pro-Orr. I presented my first academic paper at Wrest Point Casino in Hobart in 1979 and I was told by my MA supervisor at the time from the University of Melbourne not to mention the Orr case in conversation as people still had strong views about it, and his advice was good as I later found out as the person chairing the session for my paper was one of the key figures anti-Orr in the 1950s. I think they still talk about it down there, and Cassandra Pybus wrote a book about it that turned out to be anti-Orr. I'm not taking sides one way or the other but it was a fascinating case.
Anyway I don't wish you any ill will and I hope if you ever go to the dogs at Cannington you are more successful than I was. I went there last year when I was in Perth with some friends who used to live in Melbourne about thirty years ago. Thanks for your comments about Brian Burke. I've never met him but I have met Geoff Gallop and he's a very nice man and was a very able Premier and it's a pity he had to stop down. Len Brush, who used to work for Brian Burke, was a neighbour of mine about forty years ago. I always thought that he was an honest man and I still think he is.
The Greens in WA and in particular Chrissy Sharp and Dee Margetts have done the state a lot of harm and are responsible for the Legislative Council being apportioned in a worse way than it was before. Under pr an odd and not an even number should be elected. All upper house seats in WA are odd numbered and this means the division in 5 of the 6 regions will be 3 conservative and 3 ALP or Green. In Agricultural the ALP currently holds one and the conservatives 5 giving them a majority in the upper house. The new boundaries were insisted upon by the stupid Greens at the time. Senator Kim Carr once said the WA Greens were mad and he's right. One WA Green elected to one local council is a psychic! She could be OK though. The campaign by the local government peak body in WA for first past the post voting was disgraceful. Unfortunately thanks to the Greens the conservatives have the numbers.
Best wishes Bagdadjenny ( talk) 11:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
At the Footnoted quotes arbitration request, I've responded to your comment. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 13:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
You've noticed that you had to del athletes again? See here. They were already deleted by The-Pope but inadvertently reinstated (assumming Good Faith error) by Hack later in the day. Other editors, myself included, have come along and done the usual business so that a simple revert won't do the job. I don't know how to fix this easily and have asked Hack to do so, here. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 06:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Can I ask why Michael Atkinson was been blocked for edit-warring, when only two edits have been made (apart from you placing the block) since the 3rd of February? I realise that question may sound a little accusatory, but that's not what I mean by it, I'm just wondering is all. Thanks! -- Lear's Fool ( talk | contribs) 00:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I wrote to you that it was April 2008, but that was a typo on my part. The diffs I included in my original response to you posting at the RFAR show clearly that the applicable time was April 2009. It doesn't change my own position at all. Sorry about the confusion. (To respond more directly to your post on my talk page—I would date the start of my "friendship" with Kbdank71 to around June or July 2009. Before that I knew him, of course, because we both closed CfDs, but didn't have much to do directly with him as he did not much but close CFDs. I never was what you would call "friends" with Otto4711—he actually kind of disliked me because months earlier I had tried to broker a peace between him and Alansohn, and he didn't like some of the stuff I said about what he had done.) Cheers,
Good Ol’factory
(talk) 06:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Where did you find that he was better known as Ryott Maughan? Psephos makes a distinction between him contesting as Ryott Maughan in 1901 (for Moreton) and as Maughan in 1913 (successfully). It looks as though he used Ryott Maughan only early in his career. Frickeg ( talk) 02:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Electoral_district_of_Redcliffe&diff=345429565&oldid=312311443
That's some career... I'd love to know the story behind it if you have any information! :-) Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC).