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Just a quick note on your edits regarding how Carey occupied both #1 and #2 on the Hot 100: although you keep changing it so that Ashanti is the first artist to occupy both positions, the source in place clearly shows Carey as the only female solo artist. If you're gonna change it, please make sure you have a source. Thanks. SKS2K6 ( talk) 21:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
""We Belong Together" held the Hot 100's number-one position for fourteen weeks (Carey's longest run at the top as a solo lead artist), and "Shake It Off" made Carey the eighth artist to occupy the Hot 100's top two positions simultaneously, and just the second female singer following Ashanti."
This statement is faulty. Carey is the first female artist in her own right to occupy both positions. Ashanti is not included in this category simply because one of the songs she is only a featured artist, it is not technically her song it's Fat Joe's. That is why Billboard does not credit her in the 6 artist to accomplish this feat. Based on that info, the info you put on Mariah's page is actually out of context. Remember that this is about a lead artist not a featured artist. You should read the article
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001053461 PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Joel Whitburn no longer works for billboard and they have revised their methodologies since, this is part of the reason why Elvis no longer holds 18 # 1 singles he holds 17, but Whitburn still credits him with 18. However it doesn't matter what Whitburn credits an artist with anymore because he no longer works there and does not make the methodologies. please read the link. The information in the page should be concurrent with the source, which is straight from the Billboard website and it says something different. It states only 6 artists have accomplished this feat period. Not 8 and not Ashanti. That is the most recent source and the most recent methodology. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003285302
Ludacris' "Money Maker" featuring Pharrell (DTP/Def Jam) is the third chart-topper for the lead rapper on the Hot 100 and the second for Pharrell. In December 2003, Ludacris spent one week in pole position with "Stand Up," a song that featured Shawna. Two months later, Ludacris was No. 1 again as a featured artist, along with Lil Jon, on Usher's "Yeah!" That single resided in the penthouse for 12 weeks. Pharrell's previous Hot 100 chart-topper was "Drop It Like It's Hot," on which he was featured with lead artist Snoop Dogg.
That's doesn't really prove anything, Billboard credits him on those songs yes, but if you check out his hot 100 chart history, they only credit him with 2 number one singles, "Moneymaker" and "Stand Up" not with the songs he was featured on.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=407476&model.vnuAlbumId=794965
and it's just the same with Ashanti's chart history, neither songs she is supposedly credited with appear on her chart history
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=447037&model.vnuAlbumId=1082254
However all the other artist featured in the article about occupying the number 1 and number 2 spots, the songs that have achieved this feat are credited in their chart history exemplifying the obvious difference between what Ashanti has done and what the Beatles, Mariah, the Bee Gee's, Outkast, etc have done. Their is a difference and Billboard obviously recognizes the difference. As far as Joel Whitburn, whatever relationship he maintains with Billboard, he still does not define their methodology. I don't think I need to cite the discrepancy over Elvis's 17 number one hits again do I? PhoenixPrince ( talk) 22:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I keep talking about Joel Whitburn because that is what you are using as your main source. Second of all what you just said proved my point. What it says on Mariah Carey's page and on all the Billboard links I posted is about solo artists point blank. That's it and that's all that belongs. Ashanti's feat is irrelevant to the Mariah Carey page because it has nothing to do with the topic and the proof is in both of the BILLBOARD articles that have been posted as a source. Also if you want to mention that Ashanti has achieved the feat as a featured artist, that's a side note and does not go first on Mariah Carey's accomplsihment page. The way it was written is pretty diplomatic and it still credits Ashanti with her accomplishment but it distinguishes, in the way that billboard has, what Mariah and Ashanti have accomplished. If you have any further discrepancies we can contact an administrator to solve this.
PhoenixPrince (
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06:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003721353 And here's the part of it that concerns you; note how Bronson discusses the official chart history of Young Jeezy: "The resulting explosion has carried "Love in This Club" (LaFace) by Usher featuring Young Jeezy from 51-1 on The Billboard Hot 100. That's the third biggest jump to No. 1 in the almost 50-year history of the chart.... "Love in This Club" is the eighth No. 1 for Usher and the fastest-rising song of his career.... "Club" is the first No. 1 for Young Jeezy. His highest-ranked song on the Hot 100 until this week was "Soul Survivor," a No. 4 hit in 2005 that featured Akon."
One more link, which would seem to obviate further debate: http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/miscellaneous-retail-retail-stores-not/4658871-1.html
"What's Luv?" (Terror Squad/Atlantic) by Fat Joe with Ashanti as featured artist stands pat at No. 2, so it's "Foolish" (Murder Inc./Def Jam) that leapfrogs to the top, giving Ashanti that lock on Nos. 1 and 2. While she is the first woman to accomplish this, she is the fifth act in the rock era to do so. The others are the Beatles (who occupied the top five in the week of April 4, 1964), Bee Gees, Puff Daddy, and Ja Rule, who was No. 1 and No. 2 only a few weeks ago with "Ain't It Funny" and his own "Always on Time," which features Ashanti. One Sweet Edit ( talk) 18:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the user above me. They way I had it edited gave credit to both Ashanti and Mariah for the feat but also recognizing the respective differences between the feats. If you want to include more info about how Ashanti achieved this feat then add it on her page where it belongs because it does not belong on Mariah's, her page is about her period. I see that you didn't add the first artist to achieve this feat overall, if that info is not in there then neither should a wealth of info about Ashanti. That's my compromise.
P.S. I'm not trying to start an edit war or be disrespectful. Thanks for taking the time to discuss this thouroughly with me. I hope we can reach a consensus.
PhoenixPrince (
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20:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Great Job, I like it!
PhoenixPrince (
talk)
23:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you voted in support of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Billboard_Hot_100_chart_achievements_and_milestones Can you vote and support my page in the List of best-charting U.S. music artists ? We chart statistics people need to band together. I don't know how to communicate with you directly other than via this method. Thanks.
Articles_for_deletion/List_of_best-charting_U.S._music_artists
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John (
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19:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick note on your edits regarding how Carey occupied both #1 and #2 on the Hot 100: although you keep changing it so that Ashanti is the first artist to occupy both positions, the source in place clearly shows Carey as the only female solo artist. If you're gonna change it, please make sure you have a source. Thanks. SKS2K6 ( talk) 21:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
""We Belong Together" held the Hot 100's number-one position for fourteen weeks (Carey's longest run at the top as a solo lead artist), and "Shake It Off" made Carey the eighth artist to occupy the Hot 100's top two positions simultaneously, and just the second female singer following Ashanti."
This statement is faulty. Carey is the first female artist in her own right to occupy both positions. Ashanti is not included in this category simply because one of the songs she is only a featured artist, it is not technically her song it's Fat Joe's. That is why Billboard does not credit her in the 6 artist to accomplish this feat. Based on that info, the info you put on Mariah's page is actually out of context. Remember that this is about a lead artist not a featured artist. You should read the article
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001053461 PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Joel Whitburn no longer works for billboard and they have revised their methodologies since, this is part of the reason why Elvis no longer holds 18 # 1 singles he holds 17, but Whitburn still credits him with 18. However it doesn't matter what Whitburn credits an artist with anymore because he no longer works there and does not make the methodologies. please read the link. The information in the page should be concurrent with the source, which is straight from the Billboard website and it says something different. It states only 6 artists have accomplished this feat period. Not 8 and not Ashanti. That is the most recent source and the most recent methodology. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003285302
Ludacris' "Money Maker" featuring Pharrell (DTP/Def Jam) is the third chart-topper for the lead rapper on the Hot 100 and the second for Pharrell. In December 2003, Ludacris spent one week in pole position with "Stand Up," a song that featured Shawna. Two months later, Ludacris was No. 1 again as a featured artist, along with Lil Jon, on Usher's "Yeah!" That single resided in the penthouse for 12 weeks. Pharrell's previous Hot 100 chart-topper was "Drop It Like It's Hot," on which he was featured with lead artist Snoop Dogg.
That's doesn't really prove anything, Billboard credits him on those songs yes, but if you check out his hot 100 chart history, they only credit him with 2 number one singles, "Moneymaker" and "Stand Up" not with the songs he was featured on.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=407476&model.vnuAlbumId=794965
and it's just the same with Ashanti's chart history, neither songs she is supposedly credited with appear on her chart history
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=447037&model.vnuAlbumId=1082254
However all the other artist featured in the article about occupying the number 1 and number 2 spots, the songs that have achieved this feat are credited in their chart history exemplifying the obvious difference between what Ashanti has done and what the Beatles, Mariah, the Bee Gee's, Outkast, etc have done. Their is a difference and Billboard obviously recognizes the difference. As far as Joel Whitburn, whatever relationship he maintains with Billboard, he still does not define their methodology. I don't think I need to cite the discrepancy over Elvis's 17 number one hits again do I? PhoenixPrince ( talk) 22:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I keep talking about Joel Whitburn because that is what you are using as your main source. Second of all what you just said proved my point. What it says on Mariah Carey's page and on all the Billboard links I posted is about solo artists point blank. That's it and that's all that belongs. Ashanti's feat is irrelevant to the Mariah Carey page because it has nothing to do with the topic and the proof is in both of the BILLBOARD articles that have been posted as a source. Also if you want to mention that Ashanti has achieved the feat as a featured artist, that's a side note and does not go first on Mariah Carey's accomplsihment page. The way it was written is pretty diplomatic and it still credits Ashanti with her accomplishment but it distinguishes, in the way that billboard has, what Mariah and Ashanti have accomplished. If you have any further discrepancies we can contact an administrator to solve this.
PhoenixPrince (
talk)
06:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003721353 And here's the part of it that concerns you; note how Bronson discusses the official chart history of Young Jeezy: "The resulting explosion has carried "Love in This Club" (LaFace) by Usher featuring Young Jeezy from 51-1 on The Billboard Hot 100. That's the third biggest jump to No. 1 in the almost 50-year history of the chart.... "Love in This Club" is the eighth No. 1 for Usher and the fastest-rising song of his career.... "Club" is the first No. 1 for Young Jeezy. His highest-ranked song on the Hot 100 until this week was "Soul Survivor," a No. 4 hit in 2005 that featured Akon."
One more link, which would seem to obviate further debate: http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/miscellaneous-retail-retail-stores-not/4658871-1.html
"What's Luv?" (Terror Squad/Atlantic) by Fat Joe with Ashanti as featured artist stands pat at No. 2, so it's "Foolish" (Murder Inc./Def Jam) that leapfrogs to the top, giving Ashanti that lock on Nos. 1 and 2. While she is the first woman to accomplish this, she is the fifth act in the rock era to do so. The others are the Beatles (who occupied the top five in the week of April 4, 1964), Bee Gees, Puff Daddy, and Ja Rule, who was No. 1 and No. 2 only a few weeks ago with "Ain't It Funny" and his own "Always on Time," which features Ashanti. One Sweet Edit ( talk) 18:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the user above me. They way I had it edited gave credit to both Ashanti and Mariah for the feat but also recognizing the respective differences between the feats. If you want to include more info about how Ashanti achieved this feat then add it on her page where it belongs because it does not belong on Mariah's, her page is about her period. I see that you didn't add the first artist to achieve this feat overall, if that info is not in there then neither should a wealth of info about Ashanti. That's my compromise.
P.S. I'm not trying to start an edit war or be disrespectful. Thanks for taking the time to discuss this thouroughly with me. I hope we can reach a consensus.
PhoenixPrince (
talk)
20:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Great Job, I like it!
PhoenixPrince (
talk)
23:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you voted in support of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Billboard_Hot_100_chart_achievements_and_milestones Can you vote and support my page in the List of best-charting U.S. music artists ? We chart statistics people need to band together. I don't know how to communicate with you directly other than via this method. Thanks.
Articles_for_deletion/List_of_best-charting_U.S._music_artists