Gunter hat mir soeben mitgeteilt, dass du entsperrt wurdest de:Benutzer Diskussion:Gunter.krebs -- Umschattiger 13:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you don't know me but I just saw you write this to User:Tony Spencer, who you might not know is a Wikipedia:newbie:
If all you meant was that you disagreed with his use of the word "global", then you might have phrased this in a more friendly way. A phrase like you have problems understanding could be interpreted as calling him a "dumkopf" (or "dummy"). I don't think you meant it this way, though. Am I right? :-) -- Uncle Ed 18:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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Oliver, I was just using the Gandalf line as an example. You can replace "wizard" with as complicated a characterization of Gandalf as you can find in Tolkien. My point is that you can talk about everything that's in a book from an out-of-universe perspective--you just have to talk about it from the outside.
I've been working a lot on Cthulhu Mythos stuff lately, and with Cthulhu Mythos it's all about the little details of the various gods and secret books and whatnot. I don't want to get rid of that stuff at all--but I do want to talk about it as having occurred in such-and-such a story written by such-and-such an author. To me, that's much more interesting and useful for the fans. Check out Severn Valley for an example of what I consider a good out-of-universe article on a Cthulhu Mythos subject.
The idea that Wikipedia shouldn't dwell so much on the details of imaginary universes is a separate argument that has nothing to do, really, with in-universe or out-of-universe. Nareek 01:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this clearly shows where your misconception is. Severn Valley is basically a list of tidbits. It's an endless list of descriptions of the locales, that doesn't tell you anything about the function of the locales on a literary level. And there are very much "in universe" passages: "In the 19th century the island became associated with a series of shocking mutilations. Victims, only some of whom survive the ordeal, began with witchcult follower Joseph Norton in 1803, followed by Severnford clergyman Nevill Rayner in 1826, an unnamed prostitute in 1866 who was taken to Brichester Central Hospital, the folk customs investigator of 1870 Alan Thorpe, a Brichester University student in 1930, and Mercy Hill paranormal researcher Dr. Stanley Nash and his son Michael (the latest victim) in 1962." However, the article doesn't provide any analysis at all, nor context, it's basically a list in continuous text. It puts a lot of raw data on the reader's plate and tells him "Now chew". This is not what I consider a good encyclopedic article. It conveys data, not really knowledge. Notice how Severn Valley only references anthologies and primary texts? Compare, for example, with Tom Bombadil, which references secondary literature and uses Tolkien's letters. It explains the role -or lack thereof- of Bombadil in the story, what led to his conception and what might be his function. -- OliverH 07:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
"I think this clearly shows where your misconception is" is a little hostile, don't you think?
The Severn Valley article is intended to be useful for people writing stories set in Campbell's Severn Valley, for role-players with games set there, etc. I think it succeeds in doing that despite it being clearly an article about a fictional setting and not an article that pretends that setting is real.
Not every sentence contains a phrase like "in the story," it's true. I hope it's clear at every point, though, that the information does come from a story, and you should be able to figure out which story it is.
I agree that the article could use more references to literary criticism of Campbell's setting--if I knew of some, I'd put it in. It's not, however, our role as editors to provide analysis--that's called original research. The information I was able to find about the real-world factors that led to the creation of the setting--Derleth, Campbell's post-war experiences--is in there.
Nareek 13:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
You were also right, and it was an excellent article, so thank you, that siege warfare determined most medieval wars. Tours was a really rare exception, where an open field battle did play a crucial role - most of them those kinds of battles did not. Those points of yours were well taken, and I did really appreciate the article, and marked it for future use. THANKS.
But you are wrong that it was virtually an everyday thing for infantry to display that kind of discipline on the rare occasions open field battles did decide things. Respectfully, you have to name a major battle, just one, where a shield wall held without pikes or bows. And there is not one, other than Tours. Usually the infantry, at some point, simply broke and ran. Yes, they could hold if they had courage and discipline - but bluntly, the vast majority fo the time, Hastings was what happened. And what made Tours all the more extraordinary was that the Muslims had some pretty decent mounted archers as well - and the Franks had none. Anyway, you were dead right on two points, but not right on the third, (I don't believe). But thanks for talking to me so politely, and for the good information in the article. It is nice, (but rare, alas) to find someone on wikipedia you can disagree with, and do it with an interesting and informative discussion.
Hey Oliver, a great book on medieval warfare is Bennett, Bradsbury, Devries, Dickie and Jestice, Fighting Tehniques of the Medieval World . Take care... old windy bear 01:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hallo Oliver
Danke für deinen Eintrag auf .als. Wie du siehst, bin ich nicht weg, habe aber den Kampf gegen Windmühlen (sprich: selbstgerechte anarchistische Admins) aufgegeben und mich Nützlicherem zugewandt. Klar wünsche ich dir viel Glück bei der Novartis! Und Basel ist eine schöne Stadt! Wobei, noch ein Deutscher mehr in der schönen Schweiz... ne, nicht ernst nehmen. Zudem folgst du ja eh nur der Mehrheit der deutschen Auswanderer, falls du den Job kriegst. Und in ein paar Jahren klappts dann auch mit dem alemannischen ;). Btw., falls du einen Tipp brauchst wegen Basel: Nur fragen! -- Umschattiger 19:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Replied here. user: Everyme 11:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Bossi, I am currently preparing a flyer for a symposium I will hold for my employing company at a conference in Innsbruck in Summer. I'd very much like to use your photo of the Inn at Innsbruck for the cover of the flyer. We will distribute the flyer to customers and at the conference to invite people to come to our symposium. Aside from the fact that people will have to pay the fee for the conference -of which we receive nothing- the symposium will be free of charge. If you want to make sure we don't advertise something wile with your work, we're in the medical diagnostics business. Of course we can include a footnote in the flyer attributing your work to you - just let me know in which form you'd like to have that. -- OliverH ( talk) 21:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Gunter hat mir soeben mitgeteilt, dass du entsperrt wurdest de:Benutzer Diskussion:Gunter.krebs -- Umschattiger 13:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you don't know me but I just saw you write this to User:Tony Spencer, who you might not know is a Wikipedia:newbie:
If all you meant was that you disagreed with his use of the word "global", then you might have phrased this in a more friendly way. A phrase like you have problems understanding could be interpreted as calling him a "dumkopf" (or "dummy"). I don't think you meant it this way, though. Am I right? :-) -- Uncle Ed 18:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, OliverH!
Thank you for joining WikiProject Middle-earth and contributing to improve Tolkien-related articles. We are glad to have you join in the effort!
Here're some good links and subpages related to our WikiProject.
If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to ask on our talk page.
Thank you for your contributions and have fun editing! — Mir l e n 00:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Oliver, I was just using the Gandalf line as an example. You can replace "wizard" with as complicated a characterization of Gandalf as you can find in Tolkien. My point is that you can talk about everything that's in a book from an out-of-universe perspective--you just have to talk about it from the outside.
I've been working a lot on Cthulhu Mythos stuff lately, and with Cthulhu Mythos it's all about the little details of the various gods and secret books and whatnot. I don't want to get rid of that stuff at all--but I do want to talk about it as having occurred in such-and-such a story written by such-and-such an author. To me, that's much more interesting and useful for the fans. Check out Severn Valley for an example of what I consider a good out-of-universe article on a Cthulhu Mythos subject.
The idea that Wikipedia shouldn't dwell so much on the details of imaginary universes is a separate argument that has nothing to do, really, with in-universe or out-of-universe. Nareek 01:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this clearly shows where your misconception is. Severn Valley is basically a list of tidbits. It's an endless list of descriptions of the locales, that doesn't tell you anything about the function of the locales on a literary level. And there are very much "in universe" passages: "In the 19th century the island became associated with a series of shocking mutilations. Victims, only some of whom survive the ordeal, began with witchcult follower Joseph Norton in 1803, followed by Severnford clergyman Nevill Rayner in 1826, an unnamed prostitute in 1866 who was taken to Brichester Central Hospital, the folk customs investigator of 1870 Alan Thorpe, a Brichester University student in 1930, and Mercy Hill paranormal researcher Dr. Stanley Nash and his son Michael (the latest victim) in 1962." However, the article doesn't provide any analysis at all, nor context, it's basically a list in continuous text. It puts a lot of raw data on the reader's plate and tells him "Now chew". This is not what I consider a good encyclopedic article. It conveys data, not really knowledge. Notice how Severn Valley only references anthologies and primary texts? Compare, for example, with Tom Bombadil, which references secondary literature and uses Tolkien's letters. It explains the role -or lack thereof- of Bombadil in the story, what led to his conception and what might be his function. -- OliverH 07:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
"I think this clearly shows where your misconception is" is a little hostile, don't you think?
The Severn Valley article is intended to be useful for people writing stories set in Campbell's Severn Valley, for role-players with games set there, etc. I think it succeeds in doing that despite it being clearly an article about a fictional setting and not an article that pretends that setting is real.
Not every sentence contains a phrase like "in the story," it's true. I hope it's clear at every point, though, that the information does come from a story, and you should be able to figure out which story it is.
I agree that the article could use more references to literary criticism of Campbell's setting--if I knew of some, I'd put it in. It's not, however, our role as editors to provide analysis--that's called original research. The information I was able to find about the real-world factors that led to the creation of the setting--Derleth, Campbell's post-war experiences--is in there.
Nareek 13:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
You were also right, and it was an excellent article, so thank you, that siege warfare determined most medieval wars. Tours was a really rare exception, where an open field battle did play a crucial role - most of them those kinds of battles did not. Those points of yours were well taken, and I did really appreciate the article, and marked it for future use. THANKS.
But you are wrong that it was virtually an everyday thing for infantry to display that kind of discipline on the rare occasions open field battles did decide things. Respectfully, you have to name a major battle, just one, where a shield wall held without pikes or bows. And there is not one, other than Tours. Usually the infantry, at some point, simply broke and ran. Yes, they could hold if they had courage and discipline - but bluntly, the vast majority fo the time, Hastings was what happened. And what made Tours all the more extraordinary was that the Muslims had some pretty decent mounted archers as well - and the Franks had none. Anyway, you were dead right on two points, but not right on the third, (I don't believe). But thanks for talking to me so politely, and for the good information in the article. It is nice, (but rare, alas) to find someone on wikipedia you can disagree with, and do it with an interesting and informative discussion.
Hey Oliver, a great book on medieval warfare is Bennett, Bradsbury, Devries, Dickie and Jestice, Fighting Tehniques of the Medieval World . Take care... old windy bear 01:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hallo Oliver
Danke für deinen Eintrag auf .als. Wie du siehst, bin ich nicht weg, habe aber den Kampf gegen Windmühlen (sprich: selbstgerechte anarchistische Admins) aufgegeben und mich Nützlicherem zugewandt. Klar wünsche ich dir viel Glück bei der Novartis! Und Basel ist eine schöne Stadt! Wobei, noch ein Deutscher mehr in der schönen Schweiz... ne, nicht ernst nehmen. Zudem folgst du ja eh nur der Mehrheit der deutschen Auswanderer, falls du den Job kriegst. Und in ein paar Jahren klappts dann auch mit dem alemannischen ;). Btw., falls du einen Tipp brauchst wegen Basel: Nur fragen! -- Umschattiger 19:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Replied here. user: Everyme 11:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Bossi, I am currently preparing a flyer for a symposium I will hold for my employing company at a conference in Innsbruck in Summer. I'd very much like to use your photo of the Inn at Innsbruck for the cover of the flyer. We will distribute the flyer to customers and at the conference to invite people to come to our symposium. Aside from the fact that people will have to pay the fee for the conference -of which we receive nothing- the symposium will be free of charge. If you want to make sure we don't advertise something wile with your work, we're in the medical diagnostics business. Of course we can include a footnote in the flyer attributing your work to you - just let me know in which form you'd like to have that. -- OliverH ( talk) 21:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)