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I just gotta ask - is that a Skwxwu7mesh word, given a whiteman spelling, or could it be Chinook? Spelled that way you'd take it to mean "waters" as in "lots of waters", converging streams, lots of rain, strong current, whatever; but if read/heard as "chakchak" it would mean "eagle(s)". Didn't notice that you had a Skwxwu7mesh spelling for it, so its original first appearance to me I thought I better fly by you....PS what's up around the Cheakamus Powerhouse now? You've picked up by now that's part of my family legacy, and like Seton a bit of my karma to make up for maybe ;-| though I don't usually put it that way, or maybe admit to it so directly. Must have been bad fisheries impacts when Daisy Lake-Cheakamus was being built and since; any fisheries studies you know of that could be added to the Cheakamus Powerhouse article once I get it written, if it's not there aleady? Skookum1 ( talk) 06:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers, how are you doing? I'm glad to hear you're taking a break from Wikipedia, because that makes me feel less bad about the fact I have to take a break for a while to catch up on other things in my life, so I unfortunately will not be able to continue working on the Stanley Park article like I promised. But I'll be back on here sooner or later, and Stanley Park will still be on my list of projects to work on. Cool, take care and talk to you later! Moisejp ( talk) 00:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
here ya go - not what I'm hoping to find, which is the "watchmen" figures I've seen in VPL photos found on the bases of trees in the area of teh Pavilion/Kid's Zoo. Thought you'd like this one.....have no idea where Otter Pond was - near Beaver Lake? Skookum1 ( talk) 04:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Whoooooooooooa! OldManRivers ( talk) 07:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Just happened to find this while looking for "rock land" to double-check any possible entries for Rockland, as I'm about to write a stub for the Victoria neighbourhood of that name. Check out the pics on this page and x-ref'em in your head with NorthAm pictographs....eerily similar, but there's only so much hairless apes can do with sticks daubed in ochre. Just to underscore that my people had tribal traditions very similar to yours, and I think you'd be surprised if you ever dug into the tribal history of Europe pre-Conversion as to what you'd find; NW petroglyphs also don't like dissimilar to Pictish ones from Ireland (see Newgrange and Drogheda). Not that I'm trying make a connection, just wanting you to understand that hwelitum had a rather different history before they showed up in starched shirts toting bibles and rum...the Conversion did far nastier things to Scandinavia and other European countries, and over a longer period of time, than what FNs were subjected to; it was a bit more like the Indian Wars in the US. Anyway another time I'll ramble on about epic poetry, skalds and cultural practices/religious beliefs. Just because today's white folks are all shopping-mall rats doesn't mean we always were. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Yo; here is a website on that longship I was telling you about; be sure to look at the photo gallery but it also has a good rundown on the pre-Christian culture/beliefs/myths of "my people"; the site and its organization are decidedly old-guar church-going folks so the more mystical side of things isn't there; Odin was one of our Transformers, basically. The boat is named after one of his two ravens, this one's name meaning "thinking" (the other "feeling"). I'll see if I can link one of the images directly here, but otherwise if not said already look at hte photo gallery. If you feel like something different, they welcome any volunteers for a day's work on the oars, with a picnic lunch out on teh bay; mix of older people, kids/families etc. but OK; wish I could get a team of boyos and, like I said, get 'er ripping . "OK, boys, the captain wants to water ski!") Skookum1 ( talk) 03:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess you're out dancing and paddling; haven't seen any action from you in the last while....I just found another Transformer site near Skookumchuck Hot Springs - BCGNIS listing "ncát'us"; the springs at Skookumchuck are Tsek (see the Skookumchuck Hot Springs page for the link), also a transformer site, and I know there's a cold-water spring Teiq' somewhere above Pemberton Meadows, where two large streams join the river at the saem time - Ryan River is one I think. Anyway there's so many of these transformer sites, as you know; there's Doctor Point on Harrison Lake, a similar one on Arrow Lakes, and a now-vanished rock outcrop opposite Yale called the Indian Doctor, which was destroyed during CNR construction.....just noting these here, province-wide it's a vast list. I'll be writing BCGNIS to see if there's a way to search for phrases/terms in the description field so words like "transfomer", "cannery" etc can be searched more easily. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Might not be worth an article but its namesake is - see this. I know you've never answered me on the Nahwitti, this is the only reference to them in Walbran's BC Coast Names book; thought you might find it interesting and maybe know something about the title and who has it now, if anyone does. Skookum1 ( talk) 20:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I've seen you are interested in Canadian residential school system. Would you care to add a few sentences (or more!) to Human rights in Canada? I just started the latter, and it got swiftly slapped with a {{ COAT}}, i.e. someone telling me off for only really talking about Human flagpoles (which I've also just started, and asked for help with here. Anyway, any contribution is welcome. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean to steal your thunder but Im' not certain about all that; re the firs bit it's true if accompanies by "in this region", although I suppose in an absolute sense it's true just because of the pure numbers; but there are actually a lot of indigenous contributors...sadly more ethnographers and linguists than tribal/indigenous people in some areas though.....but that being said, I think you'd be surprised if you looked around the NortyhAmNative articles; some like Lakota or Sioux maybe, or Cherokee or Tsalagi and maybe Dineh and Cheyenne, they'vere prtty larges sometimes; even the cofvrage of certain California peoples can be quite exhaustive; I haven't looked at hte Anishinaabe area lately but I know there's some in-depth articles there. But you're defintely in teh rujnning for most exhaustively covered, for sure....ceratinly a gold standard in this region - though again in the Puget Sound Salish articles there's many that are huge and well0-detailed; likewise in the Tlingit cate - esp. the people one e.g. Chief Shakes - though it's true that coverage and organization is spotty and nothing is quite as "drawn together" as what you've done; you've seen Duwamish and Twana and such haven't you? US indigenous contributors ahve also done a lot re stuff like Yakima War and so on.....thoughg more indigenous prrspective is of tne neeed on MILHIST-related articles....anyway just some thoughts, and encouraging you to look around the FAs and GAs in NorthAmNative....might give you some ideas, too.....I'll be back later about the regional/tribal templates and connected issues as there's lots of overlaps and related problems...... Skookum1 ( talk) 01:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I was hoping this wsouldn't happen to quickly, but it has - see this item on Dekisugi's talkpage re his reversion of Guujaaw's contributions; this is where "outreach" is needed I'd say; I'll throw it by Bearcat and other WP:Canada types who hopefully can be a bit more diplomatic than Dekisugi has been.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; figured you might have something to say about this. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; was looking around for non-pejorative examples of "Chinaman" in the old times and came across this:
It's from a bio of Edgar Dewdney entitled The Trailblazer (orig pdf - here). Any idea who that was?.....interesting also was this but I suspect that "Chunaman" may have been a Beaver/Dunneza adaptation of "chinaman" and he might have got his name the same way as the Skwxwu7mesh guy in question.....is there a word in Skwxwu7mesh snichim for a Chinese person? Reason I'm asking is I know in certain FN/NA languages the word is an adaptation of "Chinaman" (Ktunaxa and Nez Perce I recall; also I think Nuxalk and maybe Secwepemctsin)....a bit of my own tub-thump an;d obviously politically delicate, but like so much historical fact the truth is usually highly indelicate.... Skookum1 ( talk) 15:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; just happened to stroll by that page as a result of finding stuff on "blond" brown bears in the northern Alaska Panhandle (see ABC Islands) and found an alleged native-name for the kermode; see this - is that Kwak'wala or do you recognize it as beying Oowekyala or Heiltsuk maybe? Skookum1 ( talk) 22:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; you've maybe seen my reversion of major changes to Potlatch by User:Gisbutwada; plase see my welcome note on his talkpage and add accordingly as you see fit; I ahted having to do it, there was a lot of new information, but all highly POV and without regard to the previous content.....I hope I was diplomatic enough......it's occurred me to email User:Guujaaw directly, i.e. presuming that he['s the eral Guujaaw, and explain/welcome/re-invite him as he has no made no edits since those we had to reverse..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
, but encourages them to use it to educate the outside world about their people/culture and political aspirations; without shouting in their face about it, y'see.....people won't read invective or diatribes; but they will read interesting, thoughtful and friendly write-ups....and there's a lot of complicated issues that there's not point in saying "white people don't udnerstand" if you refuse to give them the chance to understand, more specifically if you refuse t oexplain it to them in such a way that theyy'll listen.. Wikipedia ain't a one-way street (though in many cases I wish it were)......not meaning to lecture, just trying to explain why it's important there be someone ready to make indiengeous people wikipedia-friendly, as well as around here to make wikipedia indigenous-friendly . A lot could be accomplished, needless to say, if enough people from the cultures are around to mediate/mitigate not just tribal content but also give the native side of non-indigenous articles. And help resolve spelling standard issues - e.g. it looks like your buddy's user name is in a variant spelling sysmte for Smalg'yax (wherever tha apostrophe is supposed to go), ie. there's a Tsimshian-oriented Gispudwadwa article vs his username Gisbutwada; one may the spelling system used by ethnographers, the other that used by the actual bands, or by a paritcular band? Between you and him, and anyone else who might contribute (Guujaaw? Bill Poser?), I"m downright certain that an article titled osmething like The clan system of the Pacific Northwest Coast is very much needed, i.e. where the clan linkages between and within the different nations can be explained, and all the variant names put in one place/listing.....I gather, from my shallow knowledge/readings in this area, that the clans were Tsimshian in origin (in the north anyway) so it's appropriate maybe to have the particular clan artlces 9like Ganhada and Gispudwadwa)_ in Tshimshian, but they shoudl have in their content the respective Haida/Tlingit/Gitxsan/Nisga'a/Haisla/etc variations in them; or else just make the pan-tribal clan articles Wolf clan (Pacific Northwest), Eagle clan (Pacific Northwest) Killer-whale clan (no need to have the PacNW disambig there I think), and so on (clans up in Lillooet are bear, frog - and crane). If people like you and he aren't around, the indigenous articles are going to sound like th old Catholic Enccyclpedia stuff, mis-apprenehsions mixed with mistakes; ....anyway I think you see where I'm coming from, I hope you put a good word in form e with your buddy; I hated to seem like the Big Blue Meanie but it was just too much of a huge re-edit of potlatch all at once dfrom a brand-new contributor to be tolerated...I didn 't mean to act like a wiki-cop.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Or "systems" as I appreciate that the North/Central Coast phratries aren't (?) shared by the Gulf/Puget Sound/FV Coast Salish etc......the title format I pulled from Anishinaabe clan system and there's also Cherokee clans....there are Interior clans, too, but not connected except maybe to the Gulf/Fraser/Puget Sound clans, I'm not sure.....got going on this this afternoon because Wolf clan as a search led me all kinds of places - including Wulfing, which is the wolf clan one of a related people to my own ancestors (and we may ahve been Geats too, in the misty past, Norse and proto-Norse, well, we got around....). Skookum1 ( talk) 20:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I expanded content there quite a bit, it had been very specious and linked to totem, which also has a section on it which I gussied up a bit. Figure you might want to go over my edits/statements and amend accordingly. Skookum1 ( talk) 02:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Just looked at Native_American_long_house#Northwest_Coast_longhouse and wondering what you might amend it to; Northwest Coast longhouse would seem to be the obvious title and it doesn't have to be about longhouses only; the bighouses can be in there; the passage makes some odd comments about totem poles and like so many articles has that US-side content-bias....there are of course more than one kind of "longhouse" nad the Coast Salish style is way different than what occurs north of Johnstone Strait, no? The section on the Ozette dig that follows could be complement by one on Xa:ytem; the modern era of new lonhouse construction isn't discussed at all, or insufficiently if there is a mention.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I finally burned out on page 54 of 141 search result page; if you feel like continuing the poke-and-look, this is the page I left off on, and has links to T-Bird Park pictures......more than enough so far, but makes me wonder what else there is; I didn't link up some of the North Coast things I found, one for Gold Harbour, another for Capt Gold's house in Skidegate, another of Masset....it's my birthday, I'm going to try to unplug from wiki (HAH! you say)..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I guess I could just add it to the village article, but I thought you might find this interesting:
INTRODUCED TO COL. MOODY. On reaching Victoria Mr. Moberly at once called on Governor Douglas, and in the ante-room of his office met Judge Begbie, who introduced him to a gentleman just recently arrived Col. R. C. Moody who, after a short conversation, invited Moberly to call on him at his quarters. After a lengthy interview with the governor, during which Mr. Moberly gave him particulars of the mining regions he had visited, he visited Col. Moody and received an appointment under him. After being a short time at Langley, he took an active part in surveying the new capital of British Columbia New Westminster, then Queensborough. Shortly after the sale of lots in New Westminster, Mr. Moberly, in company with Robert Burnaby, formerly private secretary to Col. Moody, went to Sqtiamish River at the junction of the Jeakness River with the Squamish, where there was then a settlement of about two thousand Indians. They expected to find gold and coal, but not having proper machinery for coal prospecting, gave up the search and returned to New Westminster.
From Alexander Begg, British Columbia from the Earliest times to the Present, pp.347-8. Theres' another passage somewhere about an HBC visit in teh '30s or '40s...to Sta7mes that is..... Skookum1 ( talk) 21:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
So far I've only proposed such a thing on Talk:Tlingit but did add available clan/house lists from the Alaska Native Knowledge Network website, which is excellent and has lots of range/depth - check out [ http://ankn.uaf.edu/ANCR/Southeast/TlingitMap/ this map and directory of tribes[ for starters. But have a look at Taku people and Auke people, which are the only two specific tribe-articles yet (surprisingly). Reason I'm leeting you know, other than "citing" your work on Talk:Tlingit by eay of example, is that each of the "houses" in the clan lists were actual bighouses/longhouses and in your looking-around you may come across specific house-pictures of these, or other listings like them; useful for ilsustration....maybe about that clan thing the North and South/Central Coast delineation could be explaiend/explored, but it's 1:00 am (daylight time) and I'm ready for bed....made Taku, British Columbia, Inklin, British Columbia, Nakina River, Inklin River and I'm not anywhere near what I set out to do which was to get at Stikine-area articles; these are all precursors/distractions :-| Skookum1 ( talk) 05:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Figured I'd better let you know about this and see what you might have to add.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I was actually googline "Senjextee", which is an old name for what we now spell as Sinixt (and which they've since decided is "too English" and should be Sin Aikst...) and found this House of Commons hearing report from 1927 concerning a submission on fisheries and other matters by the Allied Indian Tribes of British Columbia. There's a specific mention of the Capilano River, in fact, which you'll find interesting, also testimony by Andy Paull.....here's the title section, compressed without whitespace; it begins about a fifth of the way down the page linked: GEORGE V APPENDIX No. 2 A" 1926-27, HOUSE OF COMMONS, SPECIAL COMMITTEES OF THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF COMMONS MEETING IN JOINT SESSION TO INQUIRE INTO THE CLAIMS OF THE ALLIED INDIAN TRIBES OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, AS SET FORTH IN THEIR PETITION SUBMITTED TO PARLIAMENT IN JUNE 1926 SESSION 1926-27 I'd venture that Allied Indian Tribes of British Columbia is probably an important historical/organization article yet to be written, if it hasn't been already. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Pacific Northwest Canoes and War Canoe. The second one in particular I think you might take exception to its current contents' near-complete lack of mention of indigenous war canoes..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi bro; please see and comment at Talk:Native_American_mythology#Name_change.3F. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Yo; thought I'd make you aware of this. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi buddy; happened to find this today, the link goes to teh Haida section butthere's a full and rather detailed accont for each people. Northwest Coast longhouse or Northwest Coast architecture or Indigenous architecture of the Northwest Coast or Indigenous architecture of the Pacifci Northwest maybe ...(because of bighouses etc) seems needed as a split from Native American longhouse. I've been busy making sounds and straits and islands, see ya later.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Yo....figured you might find the story of the totem pole from Fort Tongass, which is in Seattle now, pretty interesting; the original was carved it seems at Fort Rupert and was of Kwakwaka'wakw design; Raven clan family connections were how the design/pole got to Ft Tongass, then to Seattle. See this. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi buddy; thought I'd get you to check this; I tried to be NPOV but complete as I could, while being brief. Any thoughts? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi D....please check out User_talk:KenWalker#Category:Clayoquot_Sound_region_or_.3F.3F. And note the ecotrust link about Kwakwaka'wakw Sea, which they describe as being "reinstated"....ahem, you know where I stand on those kinds of claims ("neologistic history")..but I'm curious, was there a Kwak'wala name for that body of water? i.e. is that body of water perceived as a different "marine space" from the more open ocean farther west, and as distinct from the channels and inlets around it? i.e. a consistent name, known to all Kwak'wala-speaking peoples? Skookum1 ( talk) 01:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Yo bro, howya doin'? Havent' seen much activity, figure you're still dropping by from time to time. I finally made t he long-postponed Bridge River Rapids article, figured I'd throw it by you for "sensitivity wording" check to see if it's up to snuff. Didn't bother with line cites as I don't have any of the books on hand....did the Skwxwu7mesh ever get up there to fish? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
HI; was wondering if you had anything to comment on Talk:2010_Winter_Olympics#.22No_Olympics_on_Stolen_Land.22_link. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi bud...don't know if you're around at all, figured I'd give you a heads-up on this; go to the proposed projects in the box at right and note the aboriginal group. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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I just gotta ask - is that a Skwxwu7mesh word, given a whiteman spelling, or could it be Chinook? Spelled that way you'd take it to mean "waters" as in "lots of waters", converging streams, lots of rain, strong current, whatever; but if read/heard as "chakchak" it would mean "eagle(s)". Didn't notice that you had a Skwxwu7mesh spelling for it, so its original first appearance to me I thought I better fly by you....PS what's up around the Cheakamus Powerhouse now? You've picked up by now that's part of my family legacy, and like Seton a bit of my karma to make up for maybe ;-| though I don't usually put it that way, or maybe admit to it so directly. Must have been bad fisheries impacts when Daisy Lake-Cheakamus was being built and since; any fisheries studies you know of that could be added to the Cheakamus Powerhouse article once I get it written, if it's not there aleady? Skookum1 ( talk) 06:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers, how are you doing? I'm glad to hear you're taking a break from Wikipedia, because that makes me feel less bad about the fact I have to take a break for a while to catch up on other things in my life, so I unfortunately will not be able to continue working on the Stanley Park article like I promised. But I'll be back on here sooner or later, and Stanley Park will still be on my list of projects to work on. Cool, take care and talk to you later! Moisejp ( talk) 00:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
here ya go - not what I'm hoping to find, which is the "watchmen" figures I've seen in VPL photos found on the bases of trees in the area of teh Pavilion/Kid's Zoo. Thought you'd like this one.....have no idea where Otter Pond was - near Beaver Lake? Skookum1 ( talk) 04:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Whoooooooooooa! OldManRivers ( talk) 07:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Just happened to find this while looking for "rock land" to double-check any possible entries for Rockland, as I'm about to write a stub for the Victoria neighbourhood of that name. Check out the pics on this page and x-ref'em in your head with NorthAm pictographs....eerily similar, but there's only so much hairless apes can do with sticks daubed in ochre. Just to underscore that my people had tribal traditions very similar to yours, and I think you'd be surprised if you ever dug into the tribal history of Europe pre-Conversion as to what you'd find; NW petroglyphs also don't like dissimilar to Pictish ones from Ireland (see Newgrange and Drogheda). Not that I'm trying make a connection, just wanting you to understand that hwelitum had a rather different history before they showed up in starched shirts toting bibles and rum...the Conversion did far nastier things to Scandinavia and other European countries, and over a longer period of time, than what FNs were subjected to; it was a bit more like the Indian Wars in the US. Anyway another time I'll ramble on about epic poetry, skalds and cultural practices/religious beliefs. Just because today's white folks are all shopping-mall rats doesn't mean we always were. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Yo; here is a website on that longship I was telling you about; be sure to look at the photo gallery but it also has a good rundown on the pre-Christian culture/beliefs/myths of "my people"; the site and its organization are decidedly old-guar church-going folks so the more mystical side of things isn't there; Odin was one of our Transformers, basically. The boat is named after one of his two ravens, this one's name meaning "thinking" (the other "feeling"). I'll see if I can link one of the images directly here, but otherwise if not said already look at hte photo gallery. If you feel like something different, they welcome any volunteers for a day's work on the oars, with a picnic lunch out on teh bay; mix of older people, kids/families etc. but OK; wish I could get a team of boyos and, like I said, get 'er ripping . "OK, boys, the captain wants to water ski!") Skookum1 ( talk) 03:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess you're out dancing and paddling; haven't seen any action from you in the last while....I just found another Transformer site near Skookumchuck Hot Springs - BCGNIS listing "ncát'us"; the springs at Skookumchuck are Tsek (see the Skookumchuck Hot Springs page for the link), also a transformer site, and I know there's a cold-water spring Teiq' somewhere above Pemberton Meadows, where two large streams join the river at the saem time - Ryan River is one I think. Anyway there's so many of these transformer sites, as you know; there's Doctor Point on Harrison Lake, a similar one on Arrow Lakes, and a now-vanished rock outcrop opposite Yale called the Indian Doctor, which was destroyed during CNR construction.....just noting these here, province-wide it's a vast list. I'll be writing BCGNIS to see if there's a way to search for phrases/terms in the description field so words like "transfomer", "cannery" etc can be searched more easily. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Might not be worth an article but its namesake is - see this. I know you've never answered me on the Nahwitti, this is the only reference to them in Walbran's BC Coast Names book; thought you might find it interesting and maybe know something about the title and who has it now, if anyone does. Skookum1 ( talk) 20:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I've seen you are interested in Canadian residential school system. Would you care to add a few sentences (or more!) to Human rights in Canada? I just started the latter, and it got swiftly slapped with a {{ COAT}}, i.e. someone telling me off for only really talking about Human flagpoles (which I've also just started, and asked for help with here. Anyway, any contribution is welcome. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean to steal your thunder but Im' not certain about all that; re the firs bit it's true if accompanies by "in this region", although I suppose in an absolute sense it's true just because of the pure numbers; but there are actually a lot of indigenous contributors...sadly more ethnographers and linguists than tribal/indigenous people in some areas though.....but that being said, I think you'd be surprised if you looked around the NortyhAmNative articles; some like Lakota or Sioux maybe, or Cherokee or Tsalagi and maybe Dineh and Cheyenne, they'vere prtty larges sometimes; even the cofvrage of certain California peoples can be quite exhaustive; I haven't looked at hte Anishinaabe area lately but I know there's some in-depth articles there. But you're defintely in teh rujnning for most exhaustively covered, for sure....ceratinly a gold standard in this region - though again in the Puget Sound Salish articles there's many that are huge and well0-detailed; likewise in the Tlingit cate - esp. the people one e.g. Chief Shakes - though it's true that coverage and organization is spotty and nothing is quite as "drawn together" as what you've done; you've seen Duwamish and Twana and such haven't you? US indigenous contributors ahve also done a lot re stuff like Yakima War and so on.....thoughg more indigenous prrspective is of tne neeed on MILHIST-related articles....anyway just some thoughts, and encouraging you to look around the FAs and GAs in NorthAmNative....might give you some ideas, too.....I'll be back later about the regional/tribal templates and connected issues as there's lots of overlaps and related problems...... Skookum1 ( talk) 01:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I was hoping this wsouldn't happen to quickly, but it has - see this item on Dekisugi's talkpage re his reversion of Guujaaw's contributions; this is where "outreach" is needed I'd say; I'll throw it by Bearcat and other WP:Canada types who hopefully can be a bit more diplomatic than Dekisugi has been.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; figured you might have something to say about this. Skookum1 ( talk) 18:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; was looking around for non-pejorative examples of "Chinaman" in the old times and came across this:
It's from a bio of Edgar Dewdney entitled The Trailblazer (orig pdf - here). Any idea who that was?.....interesting also was this but I suspect that "Chunaman" may have been a Beaver/Dunneza adaptation of "chinaman" and he might have got his name the same way as the Skwxwu7mesh guy in question.....is there a word in Skwxwu7mesh snichim for a Chinese person? Reason I'm asking is I know in certain FN/NA languages the word is an adaptation of "Chinaman" (Ktunaxa and Nez Perce I recall; also I think Nuxalk and maybe Secwepemctsin)....a bit of my own tub-thump an;d obviously politically delicate, but like so much historical fact the truth is usually highly indelicate.... Skookum1 ( talk) 15:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; just happened to stroll by that page as a result of finding stuff on "blond" brown bears in the northern Alaska Panhandle (see ABC Islands) and found an alleged native-name for the kermode; see this - is that Kwak'wala or do you recognize it as beying Oowekyala or Heiltsuk maybe? Skookum1 ( talk) 22:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yo; you've maybe seen my reversion of major changes to Potlatch by User:Gisbutwada; plase see my welcome note on his talkpage and add accordingly as you see fit; I ahted having to do it, there was a lot of new information, but all highly POV and without regard to the previous content.....I hope I was diplomatic enough......it's occurred me to email User:Guujaaw directly, i.e. presuming that he['s the eral Guujaaw, and explain/welcome/re-invite him as he has no made no edits since those we had to reverse..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
, but encourages them to use it to educate the outside world about their people/culture and political aspirations; without shouting in their face about it, y'see.....people won't read invective or diatribes; but they will read interesting, thoughtful and friendly write-ups....and there's a lot of complicated issues that there's not point in saying "white people don't udnerstand" if you refuse to give them the chance to understand, more specifically if you refuse t oexplain it to them in such a way that theyy'll listen.. Wikipedia ain't a one-way street (though in many cases I wish it were)......not meaning to lecture, just trying to explain why it's important there be someone ready to make indiengeous people wikipedia-friendly, as well as around here to make wikipedia indigenous-friendly . A lot could be accomplished, needless to say, if enough people from the cultures are around to mediate/mitigate not just tribal content but also give the native side of non-indigenous articles. And help resolve spelling standard issues - e.g. it looks like your buddy's user name is in a variant spelling sysmte for Smalg'yax (wherever tha apostrophe is supposed to go), ie. there's a Tsimshian-oriented Gispudwadwa article vs his username Gisbutwada; one may the spelling system used by ethnographers, the other that used by the actual bands, or by a paritcular band? Between you and him, and anyone else who might contribute (Guujaaw? Bill Poser?), I"m downright certain that an article titled osmething like The clan system of the Pacific Northwest Coast is very much needed, i.e. where the clan linkages between and within the different nations can be explained, and all the variant names put in one place/listing.....I gather, from my shallow knowledge/readings in this area, that the clans were Tsimshian in origin (in the north anyway) so it's appropriate maybe to have the particular clan artlces 9like Ganhada and Gispudwadwa)_ in Tshimshian, but they shoudl have in their content the respective Haida/Tlingit/Gitxsan/Nisga'a/Haisla/etc variations in them; or else just make the pan-tribal clan articles Wolf clan (Pacific Northwest), Eagle clan (Pacific Northwest) Killer-whale clan (no need to have the PacNW disambig there I think), and so on (clans up in Lillooet are bear, frog - and crane). If people like you and he aren't around, the indigenous articles are going to sound like th old Catholic Enccyclpedia stuff, mis-apprenehsions mixed with mistakes; ....anyway I think you see where I'm coming from, I hope you put a good word in form e with your buddy; I hated to seem like the Big Blue Meanie but it was just too much of a huge re-edit of potlatch all at once dfrom a brand-new contributor to be tolerated...I didn 't mean to act like a wiki-cop.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Or "systems" as I appreciate that the North/Central Coast phratries aren't (?) shared by the Gulf/Puget Sound/FV Coast Salish etc......the title format I pulled from Anishinaabe clan system and there's also Cherokee clans....there are Interior clans, too, but not connected except maybe to the Gulf/Fraser/Puget Sound clans, I'm not sure.....got going on this this afternoon because Wolf clan as a search led me all kinds of places - including Wulfing, which is the wolf clan one of a related people to my own ancestors (and we may ahve been Geats too, in the misty past, Norse and proto-Norse, well, we got around....). Skookum1 ( talk) 20:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I expanded content there quite a bit, it had been very specious and linked to totem, which also has a section on it which I gussied up a bit. Figure you might want to go over my edits/statements and amend accordingly. Skookum1 ( talk) 02:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Just looked at Native_American_long_house#Northwest_Coast_longhouse and wondering what you might amend it to; Northwest Coast longhouse would seem to be the obvious title and it doesn't have to be about longhouses only; the bighouses can be in there; the passage makes some odd comments about totem poles and like so many articles has that US-side content-bias....there are of course more than one kind of "longhouse" nad the Coast Salish style is way different than what occurs north of Johnstone Strait, no? The section on the Ozette dig that follows could be complement by one on Xa:ytem; the modern era of new lonhouse construction isn't discussed at all, or insufficiently if there is a mention.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I finally burned out on page 54 of 141 search result page; if you feel like continuing the poke-and-look, this is the page I left off on, and has links to T-Bird Park pictures......more than enough so far, but makes me wonder what else there is; I didn't link up some of the North Coast things I found, one for Gold Harbour, another for Capt Gold's house in Skidegate, another of Masset....it's my birthday, I'm going to try to unplug from wiki (HAH! you say)..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I guess I could just add it to the village article, but I thought you might find this interesting:
INTRODUCED TO COL. MOODY. On reaching Victoria Mr. Moberly at once called on Governor Douglas, and in the ante-room of his office met Judge Begbie, who introduced him to a gentleman just recently arrived Col. R. C. Moody who, after a short conversation, invited Moberly to call on him at his quarters. After a lengthy interview with the governor, during which Mr. Moberly gave him particulars of the mining regions he had visited, he visited Col. Moody and received an appointment under him. After being a short time at Langley, he took an active part in surveying the new capital of British Columbia New Westminster, then Queensborough. Shortly after the sale of lots in New Westminster, Mr. Moberly, in company with Robert Burnaby, formerly private secretary to Col. Moody, went to Sqtiamish River at the junction of the Jeakness River with the Squamish, where there was then a settlement of about two thousand Indians. They expected to find gold and coal, but not having proper machinery for coal prospecting, gave up the search and returned to New Westminster.
From Alexander Begg, British Columbia from the Earliest times to the Present, pp.347-8. Theres' another passage somewhere about an HBC visit in teh '30s or '40s...to Sta7mes that is..... Skookum1 ( talk) 21:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
So far I've only proposed such a thing on Talk:Tlingit but did add available clan/house lists from the Alaska Native Knowledge Network website, which is excellent and has lots of range/depth - check out [ http://ankn.uaf.edu/ANCR/Southeast/TlingitMap/ this map and directory of tribes[ for starters. But have a look at Taku people and Auke people, which are the only two specific tribe-articles yet (surprisingly). Reason I'm leeting you know, other than "citing" your work on Talk:Tlingit by eay of example, is that each of the "houses" in the clan lists were actual bighouses/longhouses and in your looking-around you may come across specific house-pictures of these, or other listings like them; useful for ilsustration....maybe about that clan thing the North and South/Central Coast delineation could be explaiend/explored, but it's 1:00 am (daylight time) and I'm ready for bed....made Taku, British Columbia, Inklin, British Columbia, Nakina River, Inklin River and I'm not anywhere near what I set out to do which was to get at Stikine-area articles; these are all precursors/distractions :-| Skookum1 ( talk) 05:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Figured I'd better let you know about this and see what you might have to add.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I was actually googline "Senjextee", which is an old name for what we now spell as Sinixt (and which they've since decided is "too English" and should be Sin Aikst...) and found this House of Commons hearing report from 1927 concerning a submission on fisheries and other matters by the Allied Indian Tribes of British Columbia. There's a specific mention of the Capilano River, in fact, which you'll find interesting, also testimony by Andy Paull.....here's the title section, compressed without whitespace; it begins about a fifth of the way down the page linked: GEORGE V APPENDIX No. 2 A" 1926-27, HOUSE OF COMMONS, SPECIAL COMMITTEES OF THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF COMMONS MEETING IN JOINT SESSION TO INQUIRE INTO THE CLAIMS OF THE ALLIED INDIAN TRIBES OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, AS SET FORTH IN THEIR PETITION SUBMITTED TO PARLIAMENT IN JUNE 1926 SESSION 1926-27 I'd venture that Allied Indian Tribes of British Columbia is probably an important historical/organization article yet to be written, if it hasn't been already. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Pacific Northwest Canoes and War Canoe. The second one in particular I think you might take exception to its current contents' near-complete lack of mention of indigenous war canoes..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi bro; please see and comment at Talk:Native_American_mythology#Name_change.3F. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Yo; thought I'd make you aware of this. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi buddy; happened to find this today, the link goes to teh Haida section butthere's a full and rather detailed accont for each people. Northwest Coast longhouse or Northwest Coast architecture or Indigenous architecture of the Northwest Coast or Indigenous architecture of the Pacifci Northwest maybe ...(because of bighouses etc) seems needed as a split from Native American longhouse. I've been busy making sounds and straits and islands, see ya later.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Yo....figured you might find the story of the totem pole from Fort Tongass, which is in Seattle now, pretty interesting; the original was carved it seems at Fort Rupert and was of Kwakwaka'wakw design; Raven clan family connections were how the design/pole got to Ft Tongass, then to Seattle. See this. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi buddy; thought I'd get you to check this; I tried to be NPOV but complete as I could, while being brief. Any thoughts? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi D....please check out User_talk:KenWalker#Category:Clayoquot_Sound_region_or_.3F.3F. And note the ecotrust link about Kwakwaka'wakw Sea, which they describe as being "reinstated"....ahem, you know where I stand on those kinds of claims ("neologistic history")..but I'm curious, was there a Kwak'wala name for that body of water? i.e. is that body of water perceived as a different "marine space" from the more open ocean farther west, and as distinct from the channels and inlets around it? i.e. a consistent name, known to all Kwak'wala-speaking peoples? Skookum1 ( talk) 01:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Yo bro, howya doin'? Havent' seen much activity, figure you're still dropping by from time to time. I finally made t he long-postponed Bridge River Rapids article, figured I'd throw it by you for "sensitivity wording" check to see if it's up to snuff. Didn't bother with line cites as I don't have any of the books on hand....did the Skwxwu7mesh ever get up there to fish? Skookum1 ( talk) 16:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
HI; was wondering if you had anything to comment on Talk:2010_Winter_Olympics#.22No_Olympics_on_Stolen_Land.22_link. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi bud...don't know if you're around at all, figured I'd give you a heads-up on this; go to the proposed projects in the box at right and note the aboriginal group. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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We owe you a debt of gratitude for your suggestions on structure, which have now 'gone live'. I'd be grateful for any further help or suggestions you might have, such as indigenous people articles that you think we could learn from. Ko koutou ki tērā taha, ko mātou ki tēnei taha, kotahi anō te moana, ko Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa ī ē! Kahuroa ( talk) 08:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)