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Let me know if you have any problems. Cheers, bobanny 16:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely pretty, and works well. I'm a little uncomfortable grouping people by language, but it seems to make sense in this case, since you're not lumping all wakashan-speaking people together in a language hierarchy. I really like the Kwakwaka'wakw template you made too. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
When changing article names, you would want to use the "move" button instead of moving just the content (the redirect will automatically be created). This preserves the article history. Thanks. -- Qyd ( talk) 15:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Copy editing is the easy part... actually writing new content is more difficult.
And thanks for writing the Andy Paull article. He's been coming up in my reading lately, so I was glad to see there was an article on him. Now I'm trying to track down a copy of his biography... they're hard to come by. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I just got my copy of that Andy Paull thesis, in book form. According to this page it's available in BC at Vancouver Public Library, Simon Fraser University and Malaspina (in Nanaimo). Unfortunately, it looks like SFU has it only in Microfilm. I can't tell with VPL, but you said it's only in Microfilm. It looks like Malaspina has a printed copy.... maybe you can get it via Interlibrary Loan from the VPL? It should be possible, and would probably only take a few days. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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It's funny that you mentioned this. Just yesterday, I ran across this reference:
I haven't read it, but it's cited in Taiaiake Alfred's book, so it's probably okay politically, and it looks like it addresses media relations as well. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
That makes more sense... I was trying to figure that one out and meant to insert a note about it. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on maps for lower BC coast for indigenous languages. Specifically, Vancouver Island, and Georgia Straight area. I like this map, but there are few of BC-native language maps. Any help, suggestions, or whatever would be awesome. Thanks!!! OldManRivers 04:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. That needed to be done, and I really didn't feel like doing it. Good work. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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I dunno dude. I looked through those facebook group photos, and there are a bunch of awesome ones, but how do you know they are edward curtis? Even if they are technically Public Domain, they might be someone's personal family photos. I just did a google search for "Edward Curtis Kwakiutl" and got a bunch of results... - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
This page I just ran across while trying to look up the missing unaffiliated govt for the Tsilhqot'in template (High Bar, Alkali Lake and one other I can't recall); it needs wikification so I'm volunteering you to do it, plus looking up the ISBNs and publication data and formatting for the books cited. Someone at Ulkatcho btw monitors their page; my guess is it's Carey Price's mom..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers. How does Mount Cayley have the same name as Black Tusk? Occording to bivouac.com, Mount Cayley is the offical name for the volcano. [5] Black Tusk 04:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi buddy; I just got a speedy deletion note for {{ Kwakwaka'wakw peoples}} which was one of those I made when delineating the gov/ethno article titles/divisions; it's been "orphaned", i.e. not used much, and I see your {{ Kwakwaka'wakw}} template does a much better job, and I think serves as a useful model for equivalent templates for other peoples in BC, i.e. including both the ethno and political articles on the same template, works for me....anyway, one thing, could you work at integrating all the very many alternative spellings; and adjust titles or begin move/rename processes for pages like Laich-kwil-tach which it seems might better be title Weyiki or whatever the right spelling is (I've seen it as Wei-wai-kai, and seen other spellings as well); the article title should be what's in the template, so if it's appropriate to rename Laich-kwil-tach please do so. BTW somewhere there are pics of a huge potlatch at Mamalilaqula in the 1920s, with wringer washers stacked up by the dozens....similarly for Ft Rupert and Alert Bay as I recall. Anyway, just please make sure all possible spelling and altname redirects are in place and try and flesh out the stubs needed to unredlink your template; I'll let the one with the s.d. on it get deleted but pls take not of its spelling usages, which I got from online Kwakwaka'wakw resources but as I can see from your template aren't standard; btw stuff like 'Namgis there's different diacriticals for as I found out before, i.e. different apostrophe marks; all the special characters in the various languages don't help but it's all got to be covered; e.g. with the Kwagyulh/Ft Rupert group ALL the ways of spelling that should be redirect items; although in that case the primary redirects will go to Kwakwaka'wakw because of the mis-use of "Kwakiutl" in its various forms in English; your callon wher4e that should redirect; point is to make sure all possibnle spelling and character-variations are accounted for in redirects and/or in disambig lines, and note that there are disambig pages that could be affected (e.g. Comox) once relevant articles are written to match redlinked items). And I nominate you to build parallel versions of your Kwakwaka'wakw templates for other peoples; your choice - Tsimshian maybe has lots of articles; one suggestion is your template might have a section for "villages and sites" where articles about the villages (not the bands/tribes) can be located; this applies especially in the Norrth Coast/Skeena groups....not sure what to do about the clan systems..... Skookum1 ( talk) 15:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks OldManRivers. I'll try and expand more articles. Recently, I have found the name origin of Mount Edziza in northwestern British Columbia: named after the Edzertza family of the Tahltan people, who live nearby. However, I haven't had time to add it to the article. Black Tusk 05:55, 11 Febuary 2008 (UTC)
Came across it while searching Capilano Falls, which of course don't exist (didn't they, before Cleveland Dam?). Anyway just seems like a page crying out for aboriginal content; Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge or Lynn Creek Headwaters Regional Park or whatever are also out there.... Shannon Falls Provincial Park and Stawamus Chief also need your attention, I'd say. Brandywine Falls, Alexander Falls....I guess Nairn's in Lil'wat turf though.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
For templates, I'll probably group it all by ethnic groups, then nations. I have the Kwakwaka'wakw, then next a Skwxwu7mesh one, and when I get to it next, a Coast Salish and Nuu-chah-nulth. I have a complete list of Coast Salish nations now it so it should be easier to go from there. My goal is to build a series in all of these, which will be really neat and cool. Kwakwaka'wakw will be easier, well kind of easier. There are more books and citable references for the Kwakwaka'wakw then there is for just the Skwxwu7mesh. So creating expansive articles will be easier. Not easier in the sense, there is more writing to do...lol Either way, lots of fraking work to do. OldManRivers ( talk) 20:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think I've already pointed you at the Land and Data Resource Warehouse Catalogue (aka Provincial Basemap in an older simpler format) at http://maps.gov.bc.ca, but I'm not sure you've seen [this http://www.mttc.ca/pdf/Overview2.pdf Map of Member Nations territories] which I found on the * Musgamagw Tsawataineuk Tribal Council website. There's a link on that website to the BC government agency which runs the software/mapping system, online, which is free and anyone can use; the mapsproduced are copoyright their author, but draw on government grahics databases of lands, terrain etc. It's late and I have something else to do but if you can't find the link remind me and I'll look it up; I've seen another langauge-area map done for the Nicola-Okanagasn-Kamloops region, floating grid territories; doesn't hasve to be like that, just looks neat, same as on the Musgamaw page. You could do LOTs with it, I'm just not enough of a technogeek to ever work it, despite my cartographical instincts.... Skookum1 ( talk) 07:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if "Art" should be capitalized there....while this term can mean any art in the Pacific Northwest, its conventional use is to refer to aboriginal art, with "Northwest Coast [Native/Indian] Art" implicit by convention.....I happened to see a picture on the Haida page which features one of their notable modern carvers and tried to wikisearch him, to no avail. Wound up at Sculpture and was surprised to see the paucity of material in the section "The Americas" - see my notes on Talk:Sculpture about all this. I'm wondering if you could compile a shortlist of notable artists; as noted elsewhere the Gitxsan contributors have done a huge job up there bio'ing artists and such, nobody's done it for Haida and kwakwaka'wakw and everybody else....seems to be time. On top of all the OTHER work we've/I've created for us.....let's see:
You may have a better title, and it maybe would be better as Northwest Coast aboriginal art or Aboriginal art of the Northwest Coast; of course Kwakwaka'wakw art and Skwxwu7mesh culture or whatever are nation-specific, but I'd say the general topic of Northwest Coast Art is a general article worthy ofbeing at leaststarted.... Skookum1 ( talk) 17:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)!
This is potentially a touchy tangent, but just wondering - being both Skwxwu7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw - what your take on the importation/emulation/imitation of the northern/Northwest Coast style in Lower Mainland and Straits peoples, even the spread of the totem pole imagery/structure into distant Native American cultures (where to me it's always looked out of place, e.g. in Flagstaff or Taos....); but I note there's an importation of the symbology and general style in Skwxwu7mesh and Shishalh and Cowichan art, or crafts-art anyway, the tourist schlock more or less; somewhere I saw something that the Skwxwu7mesh and Shishalh had undertaken the emulation because of their acquired status in beating off the Euclataws, who of course sported the stuff (as you say, showily and kinda overblown), whereas the Musqueam and Tsawwassen did not (until more recently, when Northwest Coast-style art spread almost as much as Plains-style dance culture did....). Anyway, I'm just a dumb hwunitum/hwelitum (whatever it is in snichim) but I was wondering if you had any more comment. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Thought you might get a kick out of this; I was searching for info on the Homalco and found it in google.....makes you wonder how much stuff on CanFN is in the Tsalagi area of Wikipedia, no? Skookum1 ( talk) 19:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi; just to suggest that the First Nations section of this template might best be organized by tribal council (two or three, I'm unclear...); this on the heels of deciding to write Naut'sa Mawt Tribal Council, or stub it anyway along the lines of Kwakiutl District Council; this will give some "form" to the Coast Salish area I hope; I note there's overlap between tribal councils, e.g. some members of Naut'sa Mawt are also members of Sto:lo, so not sure how to deal with that in terms of layout. Also wondering whether a section on "Treaty organizations" is relevant to the template; the treaty associations sometimes have the same membership as tribal councils, sometimes they're different; I'd say a separate categeory is needed, and maybe no point for regular templates although a template of {{ Land Claims Treaty Organizations in British Columbia}} or something of the kind will be needed. Skookum1 ( talk) 20:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and created it, using your Kwakwaka'wakw template as the model - so you might want to change the colour scheme, and also put in an suitable image, I wouldn't have known what; see the talkpage for some issues about its contents....."defunct" peoples like the Skayuks I mentioned might have articles some day, what would I know? So they might be included here too; I imagine Transformer stones could maybe go in the "culture" section, along with any article for Xa:ytem when it finally gets written.... Skookum1 ( talk) 21:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, nice story. Good work. I did some copy-editing, but of course, feel free to change anything back if I got it wrong... like throwing swans in the air =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 02:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure you can put it in wikisource if it's not a primary source, and since you're referencing non-Public-Domain works, it isn't primary. Technically, it's your story, and you could release it into the public domain, but I'm not sure that's what wikisource is looking for. Besides, there are lots of legends written on wikipedia. See Moses, for instance. =)
As for written vs. spoken delivery of stories, I read Thomas King's "The Truth About Stories" this year. I guess because the book is just a direct transcription of him talking, it has a nice personal, almost "oral" feel to it, even though it's written down. You guys have probably both read it, but if not, check it out. He throws in history and politics into the mix as well. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi; 0-key is stuck s wn't be arund much tday ;-) but fund this n Talk:Carrier language: The Names of the First Nations Languages of British Columbia frm the YKDL; think yu'll find it interesting; nte his cmments abut English prnunciatin frms. (Insert small-case-0 where necessary) Skookum1 ( talk) 15:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
For those who noticed/care, I will be on a wikibreak. Some things have come up and I'm getting busy. Facebook used to be my addiction, but I'm pretty sure wikipedia is now. Since the new year is starting to get going, it's time I start working hard on what I need to do, work on some of my dreams, and what not. Plus, I have some work coming up so it's all timing up nicely. I have a load of books (to eventually add to wikipeda!) that I want to get through, and eventually get to my writing. Right now, it's a couple weeks to a month, but maybe it'll extend longer and I'll only add things to wikipedia on the weekend. Something anyways. Need to find balance eh! Anyways, thanks for those who've been helping me with my passions on here, and I'll be back soon! OldManRivers ( talk) 22:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been meaning to make it easier for me to use. I liked the previous one too, but just spread out what was made for me, and what I needed. Shortened the profile and added easy tools for quick chat. I also fixed up my work page. This is where I have my current priorities layed out. As you may have noticed, it's mostly with my people. But I've picked up books on the Treaty Process, and a lot of stuff related to the potlatch and it's ban by the Canadian government. I'm still on my wikibreak, for now. Life's getting busy and lots of work to get done. Once I specific goals completed (like reading my books!), and some other projects well underway, I will return to accomplish more on wikipedia and beyond. So thanks for the help folks, talk to you soon =) OldManRivers ( talk) 06:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers, my name is Travis and I've enjoyed your work. I've worked mostly on the Native Countries wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_countries_of_North_America. I'm wondering: do you have any names for native homelands that could be added, such as for the name of the Kwakwaka'wakw and Skwxwu7mesh territories? Travis Henry ( talk) 00:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi there; was looking up googles on "Gulf of Georgia" which because of teh Salish Sea nonsense I think needs to get split off from the Georgia Strait article.....and should be anyway. In the course of looking I cam across this Sto:lo commissioned map which has an intersting and probably unsavory-to-you boundary, and is also missing hte Nooksack and Skagit (who are not Lushootseed-speakers as the map shows, not the Nooksack). i was hoping this was one of those fancy layered maps I know are out there; I'll try and dig that up again, keep on meaning to. Anyway just positing this map FYI. How'd'ya like my tribal viking stomp, btw? Skookum1 ( talk) 15:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Just found it and tagged it, added some cats and some FN-content; figured I'd give you heads-up, though again this is more for the Uklatcho and Shackan contributors than yuorself, I'd guess.... Skookum1 ( talk) 20:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Very few of hte coastal outports have articles yet; some do, Namu, British Columbia I think is one. Government Cannery used to be on all the roadmaps; is that Waglisla now? Or was it in Kwakwaka'wakw territory. Also on Kwakwaka'wakw pages, wiki and otherwise, I see mention of New Vancouver. It's not in the BC maps database at the LRDWC....where is it? And didn't it have an earlier name (i.e. an earlier non-native name). Skookum1 ( talk) 16:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going through Chiefly Feasts again. I forgot how much these books irk me. It's just creepy to see my culture looked at through such clinical descriptions. No where in this book is there anything to do with the spirituality, and such, of the dances, ceremonies, or anything related to the faith/beliefs of the people. It's as if the potlatch had none of that. Interestingly enough, I can see how these anthropologists take on the culture, effects the culture. There is a major difference, in modern times, between Kwakwak'awakw culture and Coast Salish: the spirituality. I think that's what really survived during the potlatch ban with the Coast Salish where as not as much with the Kwakwaka'wakw. I think it's there for the Kwakwaka'wakw, but the reverence, the sacredness, the power of it. These are still felt in the dances, songs, ceremonies, but the peoples reaction to these is different. It's just different. I don't know if you could really understand what I'm saying though. I think nations over the coast all held onto different things. The Haida obviously held onto their art. The Kwakwaka'wakw onto the potlatching. etc. etc. So there's thing to be learned from each other, and much we can learn from what we held onto. From the Kwakwaka'wakw potlatching, the art has come back very strong for our people. For my people, we held onto our winter ceremonies, and now our singing and songs is really strong. There is of course major work to be done for revitaliation, then regeneration. Oh well, just an rant for me. OldManRivers ( talk) 17:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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Figured it's time to redlink this, though I'm not prepared to write it :-); Spindle whorl currently redirects to Spindle (textiles); Spindle whorl (Salish) might be a title option. I found this which will be a good link; there's also one on http://www.coastsalishgathering.com which I found while researching the Salish Sea bullshit..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Pls see Talk:Coast Salish where I posted a summary of old ethno write-ups used by genealogy.com; the link is to Washington but if you click around you'll find stuff on Canada-side peoples; interesting list of villages not seen anywhere else, also some breakdown of languages/groups I haven't seen before; esp. re Interior Salish and lower Columbia peoples. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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If you upload photos, it's best to do it at WikiCommons so that they can be used in other language Wikipedias. You'll need to set up an account to upload there, but it's as easy as Wikipedia.
For copyright, images from 1949 or earlier are in the public domain and are free to use. Just type in {{PD-Canada}} somewhere on the page to add the public domain licence.
For BC Archives images, you'll need to crop off the text, especially since they (falsely) claim to own the copyright even for public domain images (such as this). Their online photos are also lower quality than other collections, but they have lots you won't find anywhere else. Here's some links for photo databases:
Let me know if you have any problems. Cheers, bobanny 16:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely pretty, and works well. I'm a little uncomfortable grouping people by language, but it seems to make sense in this case, since you're not lumping all wakashan-speaking people together in a language hierarchy. I really like the Kwakwaka'wakw template you made too. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
When changing article names, you would want to use the "move" button instead of moving just the content (the redirect will automatically be created). This preserves the article history. Thanks. -- Qyd ( talk) 15:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Copy editing is the easy part... actually writing new content is more difficult.
And thanks for writing the Andy Paull article. He's been coming up in my reading lately, so I was glad to see there was an article on him. Now I'm trying to track down a copy of his biography... they're hard to come by. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 00:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I just got my copy of that Andy Paull thesis, in book form. According to this page it's available in BC at Vancouver Public Library, Simon Fraser University and Malaspina (in Nanaimo). Unfortunately, it looks like SFU has it only in Microfilm. I can't tell with VPL, but you said it's only in Microfilm. It looks like Malaspina has a printed copy.... maybe you can get it via Interlibrary Loan from the VPL? It should be possible, and would probably only take a few days. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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It's funny that you mentioned this. Just yesterday, I ran across this reference:
I haven't read it, but it's cited in Taiaiake Alfred's book, so it's probably okay politically, and it looks like it addresses media relations as well. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
That makes more sense... I was trying to figure that one out and meant to insert a note about it. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on maps for lower BC coast for indigenous languages. Specifically, Vancouver Island, and Georgia Straight area. I like this map, but there are few of BC-native language maps. Any help, suggestions, or whatever would be awesome. Thanks!!! OldManRivers 04:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. That needed to be done, and I really didn't feel like doing it. Good work. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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I dunno dude. I looked through those facebook group photos, and there are a bunch of awesome ones, but how do you know they are edward curtis? Even if they are technically Public Domain, they might be someone's personal family photos. I just did a google search for "Edward Curtis Kwakiutl" and got a bunch of results... - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
This page I just ran across while trying to look up the missing unaffiliated govt for the Tsilhqot'in template (High Bar, Alkali Lake and one other I can't recall); it needs wikification so I'm volunteering you to do it, plus looking up the ISBNs and publication data and formatting for the books cited. Someone at Ulkatcho btw monitors their page; my guess is it's Carey Price's mom..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers. How does Mount Cayley have the same name as Black Tusk? Occording to bivouac.com, Mount Cayley is the offical name for the volcano. [5] Black Tusk 04:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi buddy; I just got a speedy deletion note for {{ Kwakwaka'wakw peoples}} which was one of those I made when delineating the gov/ethno article titles/divisions; it's been "orphaned", i.e. not used much, and I see your {{ Kwakwaka'wakw}} template does a much better job, and I think serves as a useful model for equivalent templates for other peoples in BC, i.e. including both the ethno and political articles on the same template, works for me....anyway, one thing, could you work at integrating all the very many alternative spellings; and adjust titles or begin move/rename processes for pages like Laich-kwil-tach which it seems might better be title Weyiki or whatever the right spelling is (I've seen it as Wei-wai-kai, and seen other spellings as well); the article title should be what's in the template, so if it's appropriate to rename Laich-kwil-tach please do so. BTW somewhere there are pics of a huge potlatch at Mamalilaqula in the 1920s, with wringer washers stacked up by the dozens....similarly for Ft Rupert and Alert Bay as I recall. Anyway, just please make sure all possible spelling and altname redirects are in place and try and flesh out the stubs needed to unredlink your template; I'll let the one with the s.d. on it get deleted but pls take not of its spelling usages, which I got from online Kwakwaka'wakw resources but as I can see from your template aren't standard; btw stuff like 'Namgis there's different diacriticals for as I found out before, i.e. different apostrophe marks; all the special characters in the various languages don't help but it's all got to be covered; e.g. with the Kwagyulh/Ft Rupert group ALL the ways of spelling that should be redirect items; although in that case the primary redirects will go to Kwakwaka'wakw because of the mis-use of "Kwakiutl" in its various forms in English; your callon wher4e that should redirect; point is to make sure all possibnle spelling and character-variations are accounted for in redirects and/or in disambig lines, and note that there are disambig pages that could be affected (e.g. Comox) once relevant articles are written to match redlinked items). And I nominate you to build parallel versions of your Kwakwaka'wakw templates for other peoples; your choice - Tsimshian maybe has lots of articles; one suggestion is your template might have a section for "villages and sites" where articles about the villages (not the bands/tribes) can be located; this applies especially in the Norrth Coast/Skeena groups....not sure what to do about the clan systems..... Skookum1 ( talk) 15:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks OldManRivers. I'll try and expand more articles. Recently, I have found the name origin of Mount Edziza in northwestern British Columbia: named after the Edzertza family of the Tahltan people, who live nearby. However, I haven't had time to add it to the article. Black Tusk 05:55, 11 Febuary 2008 (UTC)
Came across it while searching Capilano Falls, which of course don't exist (didn't they, before Cleveland Dam?). Anyway just seems like a page crying out for aboriginal content; Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge or Lynn Creek Headwaters Regional Park or whatever are also out there.... Shannon Falls Provincial Park and Stawamus Chief also need your attention, I'd say. Brandywine Falls, Alexander Falls....I guess Nairn's in Lil'wat turf though.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
For templates, I'll probably group it all by ethnic groups, then nations. I have the Kwakwaka'wakw, then next a Skwxwu7mesh one, and when I get to it next, a Coast Salish and Nuu-chah-nulth. I have a complete list of Coast Salish nations now it so it should be easier to go from there. My goal is to build a series in all of these, which will be really neat and cool. Kwakwaka'wakw will be easier, well kind of easier. There are more books and citable references for the Kwakwaka'wakw then there is for just the Skwxwu7mesh. So creating expansive articles will be easier. Not easier in the sense, there is more writing to do...lol Either way, lots of fraking work to do. OldManRivers ( talk) 20:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think I've already pointed you at the Land and Data Resource Warehouse Catalogue (aka Provincial Basemap in an older simpler format) at http://maps.gov.bc.ca, but I'm not sure you've seen [this http://www.mttc.ca/pdf/Overview2.pdf Map of Member Nations territories] which I found on the * Musgamagw Tsawataineuk Tribal Council website. There's a link on that website to the BC government agency which runs the software/mapping system, online, which is free and anyone can use; the mapsproduced are copoyright their author, but draw on government grahics databases of lands, terrain etc. It's late and I have something else to do but if you can't find the link remind me and I'll look it up; I've seen another langauge-area map done for the Nicola-Okanagasn-Kamloops region, floating grid territories; doesn't hasve to be like that, just looks neat, same as on the Musgamaw page. You could do LOTs with it, I'm just not enough of a technogeek to ever work it, despite my cartographical instincts.... Skookum1 ( talk) 07:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if "Art" should be capitalized there....while this term can mean any art in the Pacific Northwest, its conventional use is to refer to aboriginal art, with "Northwest Coast [Native/Indian] Art" implicit by convention.....I happened to see a picture on the Haida page which features one of their notable modern carvers and tried to wikisearch him, to no avail. Wound up at Sculpture and was surprised to see the paucity of material in the section "The Americas" - see my notes on Talk:Sculpture about all this. I'm wondering if you could compile a shortlist of notable artists; as noted elsewhere the Gitxsan contributors have done a huge job up there bio'ing artists and such, nobody's done it for Haida and kwakwaka'wakw and everybody else....seems to be time. On top of all the OTHER work we've/I've created for us.....let's see:
You may have a better title, and it maybe would be better as Northwest Coast aboriginal art or Aboriginal art of the Northwest Coast; of course Kwakwaka'wakw art and Skwxwu7mesh culture or whatever are nation-specific, but I'd say the general topic of Northwest Coast Art is a general article worthy ofbeing at leaststarted.... Skookum1 ( talk) 17:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)!
This is potentially a touchy tangent, but just wondering - being both Skwxwu7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw - what your take on the importation/emulation/imitation of the northern/Northwest Coast style in Lower Mainland and Straits peoples, even the spread of the totem pole imagery/structure into distant Native American cultures (where to me it's always looked out of place, e.g. in Flagstaff or Taos....); but I note there's an importation of the symbology and general style in Skwxwu7mesh and Shishalh and Cowichan art, or crafts-art anyway, the tourist schlock more or less; somewhere I saw something that the Skwxwu7mesh and Shishalh had undertaken the emulation because of their acquired status in beating off the Euclataws, who of course sported the stuff (as you say, showily and kinda overblown), whereas the Musqueam and Tsawwassen did not (until more recently, when Northwest Coast-style art spread almost as much as Plains-style dance culture did....). Anyway, I'm just a dumb hwunitum/hwelitum (whatever it is in snichim) but I was wondering if you had any more comment. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Thought you might get a kick out of this; I was searching for info on the Homalco and found it in google.....makes you wonder how much stuff on CanFN is in the Tsalagi area of Wikipedia, no? Skookum1 ( talk) 19:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi; just to suggest that the First Nations section of this template might best be organized by tribal council (two or three, I'm unclear...); this on the heels of deciding to write Naut'sa Mawt Tribal Council, or stub it anyway along the lines of Kwakiutl District Council; this will give some "form" to the Coast Salish area I hope; I note there's overlap between tribal councils, e.g. some members of Naut'sa Mawt are also members of Sto:lo, so not sure how to deal with that in terms of layout. Also wondering whether a section on "Treaty organizations" is relevant to the template; the treaty associations sometimes have the same membership as tribal councils, sometimes they're different; I'd say a separate categeory is needed, and maybe no point for regular templates although a template of {{ Land Claims Treaty Organizations in British Columbia}} or something of the kind will be needed. Skookum1 ( talk) 20:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and created it, using your Kwakwaka'wakw template as the model - so you might want to change the colour scheme, and also put in an suitable image, I wouldn't have known what; see the talkpage for some issues about its contents....."defunct" peoples like the Skayuks I mentioned might have articles some day, what would I know? So they might be included here too; I imagine Transformer stones could maybe go in the "culture" section, along with any article for Xa:ytem when it finally gets written.... Skookum1 ( talk) 21:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, nice story. Good work. I did some copy-editing, but of course, feel free to change anything back if I got it wrong... like throwing swans in the air =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 02:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure you can put it in wikisource if it's not a primary source, and since you're referencing non-Public-Domain works, it isn't primary. Technically, it's your story, and you could release it into the public domain, but I'm not sure that's what wikisource is looking for. Besides, there are lots of legends written on wikipedia. See Moses, for instance. =)
As for written vs. spoken delivery of stories, I read Thomas King's "The Truth About Stories" this year. I guess because the book is just a direct transcription of him talking, it has a nice personal, almost "oral" feel to it, even though it's written down. You guys have probably both read it, but if not, check it out. He throws in history and politics into the mix as well. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi; 0-key is stuck s wn't be arund much tday ;-) but fund this n Talk:Carrier language: The Names of the First Nations Languages of British Columbia frm the YKDL; think yu'll find it interesting; nte his cmments abut English prnunciatin frms. (Insert small-case-0 where necessary) Skookum1 ( talk) 15:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
For those who noticed/care, I will be on a wikibreak. Some things have come up and I'm getting busy. Facebook used to be my addiction, but I'm pretty sure wikipedia is now. Since the new year is starting to get going, it's time I start working hard on what I need to do, work on some of my dreams, and what not. Plus, I have some work coming up so it's all timing up nicely. I have a load of books (to eventually add to wikipeda!) that I want to get through, and eventually get to my writing. Right now, it's a couple weeks to a month, but maybe it'll extend longer and I'll only add things to wikipedia on the weekend. Something anyways. Need to find balance eh! Anyways, thanks for those who've been helping me with my passions on here, and I'll be back soon! OldManRivers ( talk) 22:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been meaning to make it easier for me to use. I liked the previous one too, but just spread out what was made for me, and what I needed. Shortened the profile and added easy tools for quick chat. I also fixed up my work page. This is where I have my current priorities layed out. As you may have noticed, it's mostly with my people. But I've picked up books on the Treaty Process, and a lot of stuff related to the potlatch and it's ban by the Canadian government. I'm still on my wikibreak, for now. Life's getting busy and lots of work to get done. Once I specific goals completed (like reading my books!), and some other projects well underway, I will return to accomplish more on wikipedia and beyond. So thanks for the help folks, talk to you soon =) OldManRivers ( talk) 06:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi OldManRivers, my name is Travis and I've enjoyed your work. I've worked mostly on the Native Countries wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_countries_of_North_America. I'm wondering: do you have any names for native homelands that could be added, such as for the name of the Kwakwaka'wakw and Skwxwu7mesh territories? Travis Henry ( talk) 00:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi there; was looking up googles on "Gulf of Georgia" which because of teh Salish Sea nonsense I think needs to get split off from the Georgia Strait article.....and should be anyway. In the course of looking I cam across this Sto:lo commissioned map which has an intersting and probably unsavory-to-you boundary, and is also missing hte Nooksack and Skagit (who are not Lushootseed-speakers as the map shows, not the Nooksack). i was hoping this was one of those fancy layered maps I know are out there; I'll try and dig that up again, keep on meaning to. Anyway just positing this map FYI. How'd'ya like my tribal viking stomp, btw? Skookum1 ( talk) 15:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Just found it and tagged it, added some cats and some FN-content; figured I'd give you heads-up, though again this is more for the Uklatcho and Shackan contributors than yuorself, I'd guess.... Skookum1 ( talk) 20:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Very few of hte coastal outports have articles yet; some do, Namu, British Columbia I think is one. Government Cannery used to be on all the roadmaps; is that Waglisla now? Or was it in Kwakwaka'wakw territory. Also on Kwakwaka'wakw pages, wiki and otherwise, I see mention of New Vancouver. It's not in the BC maps database at the LRDWC....where is it? And didn't it have an earlier name (i.e. an earlier non-native name). Skookum1 ( talk) 16:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going through Chiefly Feasts again. I forgot how much these books irk me. It's just creepy to see my culture looked at through such clinical descriptions. No where in this book is there anything to do with the spirituality, and such, of the dances, ceremonies, or anything related to the faith/beliefs of the people. It's as if the potlatch had none of that. Interestingly enough, I can see how these anthropologists take on the culture, effects the culture. There is a major difference, in modern times, between Kwakwak'awakw culture and Coast Salish: the spirituality. I think that's what really survived during the potlatch ban with the Coast Salish where as not as much with the Kwakwaka'wakw. I think it's there for the Kwakwaka'wakw, but the reverence, the sacredness, the power of it. These are still felt in the dances, songs, ceremonies, but the peoples reaction to these is different. It's just different. I don't know if you could really understand what I'm saying though. I think nations over the coast all held onto different things. The Haida obviously held onto their art. The Kwakwaka'wakw onto the potlatching. etc. etc. So there's thing to be learned from each other, and much we can learn from what we held onto. From the Kwakwaka'wakw potlatching, the art has come back very strong for our people. For my people, we held onto our winter ceremonies, and now our singing and songs is really strong. There is of course major work to be done for revitaliation, then regeneration. Oh well, just an rant for me. OldManRivers ( talk) 17:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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Figured it's time to redlink this, though I'm not prepared to write it :-); Spindle whorl currently redirects to Spindle (textiles); Spindle whorl (Salish) might be a title option. I found this which will be a good link; there's also one on http://www.coastsalishgathering.com which I found while researching the Salish Sea bullshit..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Pls see Talk:Coast Salish where I posted a summary of old ethno write-ups used by genealogy.com; the link is to Washington but if you click around you'll find stuff on Canada-side peoples; interesting list of villages not seen anywhere else, also some breakdown of languages/groups I haven't seen before; esp. re Interior Salish and lower Columbia peoples. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)