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Osarius - Want a chat? 13:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver. Looks like you didn't sign your newsletter post on anyone's Talk page: for example. I'm surprised Sinebot isn't roaming around! :D Jesse V. ( talk) 16:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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For the AFTv5! Electric Catfish 21:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC) |
Just a question for you that you have probably already answered several times. I have Autopatrolled on my main account and i create articles a lot of the time when sizeable and time consuming in my user space, my Mobile account does not have auto patrolled and i use this for mobile and maintenance tasks such as moving my user space to article space. Will my articles show as patrolled because my main account created it or not patrolled because it was moved by the mobile account without it. I know wasn't a problem with NPP as that didn't show when moved. Thanks in advance. Blethering Scot 23:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Isn't it supposed to be auto-hidden? Dan653 ( talk) 16:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad reading that email cheered you up (sorry for the long delay in responding; I'm still working through a lot of post-Wikimania stuff. Making progress, believe it or not). I had a long, hot, humid drive home, so it was nice to see all that when I got back as well.
I am making serious plans to go halfway across the world next year; I hope I will be able to catch that panel as well. Daniel Case ( talk) 06:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
After the issues are fixed, what do you think about having a BRFA for a bot that will add the AFTv5 to every article? Best, Electric Catfish 23:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC).
BTW: I'm checking if I can do create linking buttons on my own atm; but please let somebody fix that problem in that image: I just tested this with my non-modified public user account wikignome ( talk · contribs): This looks simply too ugly! Please check the AFT in other browsers and with other skins! I would nothing say if it is a userprojects/script, but this is a paid stuff by the WMF. Check WP:AFCH: we have recognized multiple problems with 'cologne blue' and with the bad old IEs... Regards, mabdul 11:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Could you do me a favour and take User:Edinburgh Wanderer off of whatever you use to compile your messages and replace with this username. Despite a redirect to my current talk page its going on the old one every time. i did change my name on the newsletter section but maybe missed something. Unsure why the redirect isn't kicking in. Blethering Scot 20:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I have Chatzilla, but it doesn't seem to go there. What do do? MathewTownsend ( talk) 20:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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I see "The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement," on someone's talk bar. I use WP:Twinkle frequently, but sometimes I want more, so tell me about it. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't usually leave talkbacks, but since Steven's talk page is busy, I thought I'd give you a heads-up. David 1217 What I've done 00:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I heard reference to an education namespace (or something along that lines) at the village pump. Then, I saw Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Where to put my Wikipedia-related course?. Do you know anything about it or can you point me to a WMF member who does? Ryan Vesey 15:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Page ratings on Cancer pain have been 5, 5, 5, 5 for the last 6 months. I think it's a pretty good article (I wrote it!) but it seems a bit unlikely to me that any article would rate like that without the occasional dip. Is the old page rating tool still working? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 20:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you. :) -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 22:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Loved my first drive around the block! -- j⚛e decker talk 00:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
LOVING the curation toolbar! Sooooooooo much nicer than Twinkle. Seriously... I'd switch in a heartbeat to using it across the entire Wiki. :) .... But there is one thing. Does it add CSD'd/PROD'd articles to any sort of log? I just like to have a record of those sort of things... Like Twinkle does... But in any case, enjoy the pie! You deserve it! Theopolisme TALK 00:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC) |
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For the New Page Triage tool! I love it! Yet another awesome idea from Oliver Keyes! Electric Catfish 00:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC) |
Hi, Oliver. The new system seems to be going down well, and I'm sorry to be the first to have a criticism, but I have just deleted an attack page and, checking to see that the attacker had been properly warned, was surprised to see this. That would be fine for most speedies, but attacks are different, and we should not be offering an attacker kind words and time to improve his attack - AGF is not a suicide pact, as they say. I think that, for attack pages, the warning should be much more like {{ uw-attack}}. In particular, it should make clear that it is a final warning, and any repetition will result in a block. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 01:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
The New Pages Feed should default to looking at the end of the list not the start. That will reduce the amound of accidental biting for super fast csd tagging of articles Spartaz Humbug! 17:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Any updates, because it's still ongoing: [1] and [2]. Dan653 ( talk) 22:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver, I've just left a message for Steven and Maryana about the user warning templates and I was wondering if you would mind having a look as well (if you get a chance)? They're at User:Callanecc/sandbox/AFT5. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 08:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I'll take a look when I have more time. But I just wanted to drop a note expressing my main concern. If this replaces twinkle, then, I'd like to see a way for admins to "remove" the ability from editors if necessary. - jc37 23:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Do you know the answer to this question about AFT? benzband ( talk) 13:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
See, y'know where my username actually comes from? It's the biggest letdown :P. Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 00:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Love the list of written feedback you can get on your watchlist.
The national olympics articles are weird: the US gets all three 5s and one 4 as averages of more than 50 ratings (this is rare indeed). Britain gets three 4.5s and 5 for complete (huh?). NZ gets 5, 5, 5, 3.8. Germany 3.3, 1.5, 2.8, 3.6. Australia gets 1, 4, 1, 1 (pretty objective but untrustworthy ... come to think of it, do the punters know how they are different?) A low score for "complete" is understandable given the evolving real-time event nature of the articles, but the other ratings are a real surprise. France has no ratings. Canada has only one response. Do we have the data for the whole olympic period? I wonder whether there's a positive correlation between readers' ratings and medal success. Tony (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#SPage (WMF) → S Page (WMF) and my response. Is there really a WMF member named "S Page"? Ryan Vesey 21:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Since you have more userrights and whatnot than I do, perhaps you can see more into this than I can. What does "unhelpful", "flag", "resolve", and "resolve (done!)" mean? There's no link provided to the contribution in question, but I have cross-checked a few of them and I can't see anything out of the ordinary. Are they indicating my ratings for feedback from AFT5? That doesn't explain the "resolve" though. I'm just a bit puzzled and thought you might be able to help. :) Jesse V. ( talk) 07:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
It is indeed related to AFT5. See this. • Jesse V. (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Can we create a Special:NPF redirect or can you not redirect special pages? Alternatively, I could find someone to write a java script to put it into the sidebar. Ryan Vesey 16:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Oliver, there is a question/comment on WP:AFT5/FRG about WMF's planned use of the resolved filter. You may be able to provide some insight? Thanks for the email regarding the feature and page protection :) Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 11:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Pass this on to the rest of the WMF members. Many thanks for all of the work that you and other members of the Wikimedia Foundation do to make this site great. So many editors downplay the importance of the WMF and don't see how the work you guys are doing in your official capacity. It seems like there are a editors who like to assume the WMF is not part of the community and then fail to base their decisions on the merits of the idea. Instead, they say it was Not invented here and reject it. In any case people will always be more vocal in their opposition to a change than people are in their support for one. In any case, thanks again for all of your work. We couldn't do all of this without you. Ryan Vesey 13:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver, I hope everything is going well. I'll start off on a tangent, are you salaried, and if you aren't, do you get paid when you work on the weekends from your Okeyes account? Now to the point: What happened here. It looks like there is no indication of any manual helpful or unhelpful tagging, but the feedback tool marked it helpful, unhelpful, helpful, unhelpful, then helpful again. Any idea what that is about? Again, I hope you're having a good day and have a great week. Ryan Vesey 05:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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For your hard work in making the Encyclopaedia a clearer place. PhnomPencil talk contribs 01:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC) |
The toolbar just popped up for me and I'm loving it so far. Job well done. PhnomPencil talk contribs 01:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver. I was looking through Wikipedia:Editor engagement/Team and yours was the name I knew, so here I am. Just wondering if you could take a quick look at User talk:SarahStierch#Edit summary (it's a very small discussion) and pass on the concern about the edit summaries for the new NPP tool to the relevant developer(s)? Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 08:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver! Is there a way to disable the orange message banner? Thanks, Electric Catfish 21:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC).
Articles created via the Article Wizard appear in category:Articles created via the Article Wizard and in category:All unreviewed new articles, which is where I find them and go off to review them. This is entirely separate from NPP, usually small volume, but I am suggesting that it should have the same tools as Wikipedia:New pages patrol, specifically Page Curation. I posted this on the MediaWiki project discussion page back on August 4. Please consider it. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
My vague memory of having Memento described to me is that it would allow date preferences to carry through to linked pages (where supported) - you'd read the article on United States, as of 1/1/08, which would say that George W. Bush was president, and then click through to that article, where it would retain the date and give you a version as of 1/1/08, etc.
If so, it'd be good to outline this at the RFC - it's an immediately understandable use case, and one that plenty of people would find quite easy to see the point of. The two examples given at the moment are fairly uncompelling - they're both single-page situations, where Memento as a history tool adds no significant value over the traditional method. Andrew Gray ( talk) 14:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
For a change like this might I suggest doing one of those banner messages like the Glam folks are always doing to peddle their ideas? Kumioko ( talk) 20:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I had a suggestion for the edit window that I thougth about some time ago but never brought up. Would it be possible to create an edit window or something similar that would show the contents of the main page (as it does) and show the talk page below it? For myself and I believe others it would be greatly beneficial to be able to look at/modify them both from one central point rather than have to edit one and then the other. Maybe have something like a show Talk that expands (similar to the one for categories on the new example) or show Main if on a talk page. That way, the page doesn't have to take as much of a performance hit if you don't want to see them both. I would also say that the function should be opt in as maybe a gadget. Anyway just something I thought I would mention as a potential future improvement that would make things better. Kumioko ( talk) 21:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Okeyes. Thanks a lot for your efforts to improve the layout of the edit window. While I agree with most changes I would however hate to lose the "edit tools" toolbar at the bottom ( MediaWiki:Edittools). I find it way more handy to use than the drop-down panels above the window for the following reasons:
I hope my thoughts will be helpful to you and the team. Regards, De728631 ( talk)
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Hi Oliver, would you mind having a look at the warnings and notices ( User:Callanecc/sandbox/AFT5) for me (any of Oliver's page stalkers are welcome as well). I planning for this to be a final draft before I ask for comments at WT:AFT5 so any help or advice you have would be appreciated. Thanks, 08:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
How's this look? Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 13:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
fyi: User talk:Jorm (WMF)#main page redesign.
Br'er Rabbit ( talk) 02:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
I've just seen it pointed out that the "after" screenshot uses a proportional rather than fixed-width font. Is this a quirk of the test setup, or is it actually intended as a feature? It's not mentioned anywhere on the MW page or on the VP discussion until it's flagged up at the end, and it's quite a drastic usability change to make without warning... Andrew Gray ( talk) 11:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I apologise if this is still unwanted, but I feel I must persist because I am a crazy stubborn wikipedian and that is apparently what crazy stubborn wikipedians do. And I'd also just like to understand this, at very least.
With taking that all at once for some approach with the edit page, perhaps the issue is just that it's largely not a technical problem? It has gotten pretty messy already, and is likely to only get more so, but such an approach would work quite well for a more technical problem, such as if you were overhauling WikiEditor. With that the thing itself is much more monolithic and changes can be made directly without doing anything terribly odd, and as a result it also lends itself well to testing (and probably needs it more anyway on account of solutions being less clear)...
Does that even make sense? -— Isarra ༆ 19:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
You might want to stop the run. The edit is not at the right "subsection" level I think... Hasteur ( talk) 11:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
...And when might those be? Theo polisme 11:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
JetBlast ( talk) 12:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for message. I'd actually already spotted it at special pages, and use it occasionally, but in practice I tend to access new pages mainly through the filters or CSD to pick up problem articles Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Cool tool, thanks! Porterjoh ( talk) 13:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Oliver, I saw your note on my talk page. I saw it mentioned in some other people's messages, but couldn't find it in the documentation: how does logging work? Does it mesh with the Twinkle logs that we already have? Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 13:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that a short time ago. It's a nice tool but I actually prefer the old, familiar was of doing it. I guess if the old method is eliminated I'll end up moving to the new tool. - Balph Eubank ✉ 14:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I know about it and have been using it. I was trying to understand if there is any way to understand which is autopatrolled and which is manually patrolled (other than hovering the mouse on Tick icon)! Excellent tool! -- Tito Dutta ✉ 14:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I looked at it, having found one of your notes on someone's talk page. Didn't particularly like it, especially because of the thing that appeared on the righthand side, obscuring part of the article text (something that really annoys me on sites where there are these stupid little ads that follow you up and down the page). Reminded me of one of those damned addthis popups you get on some sites with FB, Twitter and other rubbish on. I went back to CSD and found the thing had followed me, and was inviting me to go to the next item in the queue. I wasn't dealing with a queue. I was working randomly at CSD. Eventually, I clicked the X (not knowing what the other tiny button at the top did - no balloon message came up when I hovered over it). It went away, tail between legs. Hasn't been seen since. Is it supposed to follow you, or what? I used to work in New User edits rather than New Pages before I got the mop, but if this thing had appeared there, I might have quit. OK, I use Monobook and have XP Pro set to Classic. I like those - they're easier to navigate than the big bright buttons for kids stuff. This new thing looks like a greyscale version of something that really is in a bright colour (for the kids). Might be OK for vampires, but I enjoy garlic. Peridon ( talk) 20:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your message! That function looks very useful. I will study to use it. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 什么样的节奏是最呀最摇摆?什么样的歌声才是最开怀? 14:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you a staff member of Wikimedia Fundation? -- Jack No1 15:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Look at the feedback for Ars Nova (theater). Both of them are completely unrelated, and the IP's are from across the country. One of the IP's has a history of vandalism, so the nature of the feedback can be expected; however, the page was just created today. I checked the redirects and there isn't a random article redirecting to it. I don't know if it is an AFT5 error, a Wikipedia error, or just coincidental, but it just seems unusual and I can't get to the bottom of it. Ryan Vesey 03:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if WMF is aware of the relentless push—by a small bunch of editors and admins—towards the blanket use of diacritics in article titles as described here and here (article titles with diacritics bolded). The war started with European languages, and now is moving to Vietnamese. The situation seems a bit like Orwell's Animal Farm. LittleBen ( talk) 01:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Okeyes (WMF). Hello there. This "one user has unilaterally changed all of the European articles to use diacritics in titles extensively" is evidently myself. FYI I have addressed this on User:LittleBenW's talk page, and also made a suggestion which I hope he will take up. Best regards. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm not totally sure what diacritic usage has to do with User:Okeyes (WMF) qua his role as a Foundation employee. It's not up to Oliver or Maryana or any other Wikimedia Foundation employees to help English Wikipedia get their collective shit together regarding diacritic usage. I cannot promise to read the minds of Foundation employees, but if they are even the slightest bit observant of the Wikipedia community (which given they are also community members, I'd like to think they are), I'd suggest that they are both aware of and slightly embarrassed by the parade of pointless squabbling and would rather like the community to actually seriously try to find some reasoned, stable consensus and stop making overwrought comparisons between advocates of either diacritic usage or diacritic avoidance and characters from a novel that satirises Stalinism. It just makes the vast majority of people who don't care enough about the issue look at the warring factions like the aforementioned squabbling children. Oh wait, that might just be me. — Tom Morris ( talk) 11:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I was experimenting with the new tool, which is certainly an improvement, an user whose article I tagged because it was a stub and needed more cites took it personally (see my talk page). It would be a good idea to state more emphatically that the purpose of tagging is that other editors can search for articles that require attention rather than a critique of their work. Alanl ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
..."Article Feedback page not enabled for this page." - I'm getting this message so is there any change I need to make in My preferences or is there a bug or is it disabled? Cheers! TheSpecialUser TSU 16:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
So it seems like the edit window change just went into effect. The toolbar was removed from the bottom against my protests. What can I add to my css or javascript page to get it back? Ryan Vesey 23:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has started an RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Request board#RFC on Current Wikipedia Licensing. I couldn't find a way to contact the WMF, so since you're a WMF employee, you get this message. David 1217 What I've done 00:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Oliver, the question is here. LittleBen ( talk) 05:37, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
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Osarius - Want a chat? 13:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver. Looks like you didn't sign your newsletter post on anyone's Talk page: for example. I'm surprised Sinebot isn't roaming around! :D Jesse V. ( talk) 16:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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For the AFTv5! Electric Catfish 21:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC) |
Just a question for you that you have probably already answered several times. I have Autopatrolled on my main account and i create articles a lot of the time when sizeable and time consuming in my user space, my Mobile account does not have auto patrolled and i use this for mobile and maintenance tasks such as moving my user space to article space. Will my articles show as patrolled because my main account created it or not patrolled because it was moved by the mobile account without it. I know wasn't a problem with NPP as that didn't show when moved. Thanks in advance. Blethering Scot 23:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Isn't it supposed to be auto-hidden? Dan653 ( talk) 16:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad reading that email cheered you up (sorry for the long delay in responding; I'm still working through a lot of post-Wikimania stuff. Making progress, believe it or not). I had a long, hot, humid drive home, so it was nice to see all that when I got back as well.
I am making serious plans to go halfway across the world next year; I hope I will be able to catch that panel as well. Daniel Case ( talk) 06:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
After the issues are fixed, what do you think about having a BRFA for a bot that will add the AFTv5 to every article? Best, Electric Catfish 23:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC).
BTW: I'm checking if I can do create linking buttons on my own atm; but please let somebody fix that problem in that image: I just tested this with my non-modified public user account wikignome ( talk · contribs): This looks simply too ugly! Please check the AFT in other browsers and with other skins! I would nothing say if it is a userprojects/script, but this is a paid stuff by the WMF. Check WP:AFCH: we have recognized multiple problems with 'cologne blue' and with the bad old IEs... Regards, mabdul 11:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Could you do me a favour and take User:Edinburgh Wanderer off of whatever you use to compile your messages and replace with this username. Despite a redirect to my current talk page its going on the old one every time. i did change my name on the newsletter section but maybe missed something. Unsure why the redirect isn't kicking in. Blethering Scot 20:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I have Chatzilla, but it doesn't seem to go there. What do do? MathewTownsend ( talk) 20:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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I see "The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement," on someone's talk bar. I use WP:Twinkle frequently, but sometimes I want more, so tell me about it. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't usually leave talkbacks, but since Steven's talk page is busy, I thought I'd give you a heads-up. David 1217 What I've done 00:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I heard reference to an education namespace (or something along that lines) at the village pump. Then, I saw Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Where to put my Wikipedia-related course?. Do you know anything about it or can you point me to a WMF member who does? Ryan Vesey 15:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Page ratings on Cancer pain have been 5, 5, 5, 5 for the last 6 months. I think it's a pretty good article (I wrote it!) but it seems a bit unlikely to me that any article would rate like that without the occasional dip. Is the old page rating tool still working? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 20:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you. :) -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 22:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Loved my first drive around the block! -- j⚛e decker talk 00:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
LOVING the curation toolbar! Sooooooooo much nicer than Twinkle. Seriously... I'd switch in a heartbeat to using it across the entire Wiki. :) .... But there is one thing. Does it add CSD'd/PROD'd articles to any sort of log? I just like to have a record of those sort of things... Like Twinkle does... But in any case, enjoy the pie! You deserve it! Theopolisme TALK 00:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC) |
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For the New Page Triage tool! I love it! Yet another awesome idea from Oliver Keyes! Electric Catfish 00:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC) |
Hi, Oliver. The new system seems to be going down well, and I'm sorry to be the first to have a criticism, but I have just deleted an attack page and, checking to see that the attacker had been properly warned, was surprised to see this. That would be fine for most speedies, but attacks are different, and we should not be offering an attacker kind words and time to improve his attack - AGF is not a suicide pact, as they say. I think that, for attack pages, the warning should be much more like {{ uw-attack}}. In particular, it should make clear that it is a final warning, and any repetition will result in a block. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 01:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
The New Pages Feed should default to looking at the end of the list not the start. That will reduce the amound of accidental biting for super fast csd tagging of articles Spartaz Humbug! 17:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Any updates, because it's still ongoing: [1] and [2]. Dan653 ( talk) 22:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver, I've just left a message for Steven and Maryana about the user warning templates and I was wondering if you would mind having a look as well (if you get a chance)? They're at User:Callanecc/sandbox/AFT5. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 08:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I'll take a look when I have more time. But I just wanted to drop a note expressing my main concern. If this replaces twinkle, then, I'd like to see a way for admins to "remove" the ability from editors if necessary. - jc37 23:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Do you know the answer to this question about AFT? benzband ( talk) 13:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
See, y'know where my username actually comes from? It's the biggest letdown :P. Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 00:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Love the list of written feedback you can get on your watchlist.
The national olympics articles are weird: the US gets all three 5s and one 4 as averages of more than 50 ratings (this is rare indeed). Britain gets three 4.5s and 5 for complete (huh?). NZ gets 5, 5, 5, 3.8. Germany 3.3, 1.5, 2.8, 3.6. Australia gets 1, 4, 1, 1 (pretty objective but untrustworthy ... come to think of it, do the punters know how they are different?) A low score for "complete" is understandable given the evolving real-time event nature of the articles, but the other ratings are a real surprise. France has no ratings. Canada has only one response. Do we have the data for the whole olympic period? I wonder whether there's a positive correlation between readers' ratings and medal success. Tony (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#SPage (WMF) → S Page (WMF) and my response. Is there really a WMF member named "S Page"? Ryan Vesey 21:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Since you have more userrights and whatnot than I do, perhaps you can see more into this than I can. What does "unhelpful", "flag", "resolve", and "resolve (done!)" mean? There's no link provided to the contribution in question, but I have cross-checked a few of them and I can't see anything out of the ordinary. Are they indicating my ratings for feedback from AFT5? That doesn't explain the "resolve" though. I'm just a bit puzzled and thought you might be able to help. :) Jesse V. ( talk) 07:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
It is indeed related to AFT5. See this. • Jesse V. (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Can we create a Special:NPF redirect or can you not redirect special pages? Alternatively, I could find someone to write a java script to put it into the sidebar. Ryan Vesey 16:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Oliver, there is a question/comment on WP:AFT5/FRG about WMF's planned use of the resolved filter. You may be able to provide some insight? Thanks for the email regarding the feature and page protection :) Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 11:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Pass this on to the rest of the WMF members. Many thanks for all of the work that you and other members of the Wikimedia Foundation do to make this site great. So many editors downplay the importance of the WMF and don't see how the work you guys are doing in your official capacity. It seems like there are a editors who like to assume the WMF is not part of the community and then fail to base their decisions on the merits of the idea. Instead, they say it was Not invented here and reject it. In any case people will always be more vocal in their opposition to a change than people are in their support for one. In any case, thanks again for all of your work. We couldn't do all of this without you. Ryan Vesey 13:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver, I hope everything is going well. I'll start off on a tangent, are you salaried, and if you aren't, do you get paid when you work on the weekends from your Okeyes account? Now to the point: What happened here. It looks like there is no indication of any manual helpful or unhelpful tagging, but the feedback tool marked it helpful, unhelpful, helpful, unhelpful, then helpful again. Any idea what that is about? Again, I hope you're having a good day and have a great week. Ryan Vesey 05:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
The da Vinci Barnstar | ||
For your hard work in making the Encyclopaedia a clearer place. PhnomPencil talk contribs 01:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC) |
The toolbar just popped up for me and I'm loving it so far. Job well done. PhnomPencil talk contribs 01:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey Oliver. I was looking through Wikipedia:Editor engagement/Team and yours was the name I knew, so here I am. Just wondering if you could take a quick look at User talk:SarahStierch#Edit summary (it's a very small discussion) and pass on the concern about the edit summaries for the new NPP tool to the relevant developer(s)? Cheers, Jenks24 ( talk) 08:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver! Is there a way to disable the orange message banner? Thanks, Electric Catfish 21:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC).
Articles created via the Article Wizard appear in category:Articles created via the Article Wizard and in category:All unreviewed new articles, which is where I find them and go off to review them. This is entirely separate from NPP, usually small volume, but I am suggesting that it should have the same tools as Wikipedia:New pages patrol, specifically Page Curation. I posted this on the MediaWiki project discussion page back on August 4. Please consider it. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
My vague memory of having Memento described to me is that it would allow date preferences to carry through to linked pages (where supported) - you'd read the article on United States, as of 1/1/08, which would say that George W. Bush was president, and then click through to that article, where it would retain the date and give you a version as of 1/1/08, etc.
If so, it'd be good to outline this at the RFC - it's an immediately understandable use case, and one that plenty of people would find quite easy to see the point of. The two examples given at the moment are fairly uncompelling - they're both single-page situations, where Memento as a history tool adds no significant value over the traditional method. Andrew Gray ( talk) 14:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
For a change like this might I suggest doing one of those banner messages like the Glam folks are always doing to peddle their ideas? Kumioko ( talk) 20:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I had a suggestion for the edit window that I thougth about some time ago but never brought up. Would it be possible to create an edit window or something similar that would show the contents of the main page (as it does) and show the talk page below it? For myself and I believe others it would be greatly beneficial to be able to look at/modify them both from one central point rather than have to edit one and then the other. Maybe have something like a show Talk that expands (similar to the one for categories on the new example) or show Main if on a talk page. That way, the page doesn't have to take as much of a performance hit if you don't want to see them both. I would also say that the function should be opt in as maybe a gadget. Anyway just something I thought I would mention as a potential future improvement that would make things better. Kumioko ( talk) 21:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Okeyes. Thanks a lot for your efforts to improve the layout of the edit window. While I agree with most changes I would however hate to lose the "edit tools" toolbar at the bottom ( MediaWiki:Edittools). I find it way more handy to use than the drop-down panels above the window for the following reasons:
I hope my thoughts will be helpful to you and the team. Regards, De728631 ( talk)
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Hi Oliver, would you mind having a look at the warnings and notices ( User:Callanecc/sandbox/AFT5) for me (any of Oliver's page stalkers are welcome as well). I planning for this to be a final draft before I ask for comments at WT:AFT5 so any help or advice you have would be appreciated. Thanks, 08:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
How's this look? Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 13:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
fyi: User talk:Jorm (WMF)#main page redesign.
Br'er Rabbit ( talk) 02:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
I've just seen it pointed out that the "after" screenshot uses a proportional rather than fixed-width font. Is this a quirk of the test setup, or is it actually intended as a feature? It's not mentioned anywhere on the MW page or on the VP discussion until it's flagged up at the end, and it's quite a drastic usability change to make without warning... Andrew Gray ( talk) 11:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I apologise if this is still unwanted, but I feel I must persist because I am a crazy stubborn wikipedian and that is apparently what crazy stubborn wikipedians do. And I'd also just like to understand this, at very least.
With taking that all at once for some approach with the edit page, perhaps the issue is just that it's largely not a technical problem? It has gotten pretty messy already, and is likely to only get more so, but such an approach would work quite well for a more technical problem, such as if you were overhauling WikiEditor. With that the thing itself is much more monolithic and changes can be made directly without doing anything terribly odd, and as a result it also lends itself well to testing (and probably needs it more anyway on account of solutions being less clear)...
Does that even make sense? -— Isarra ༆ 19:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
You might want to stop the run. The edit is not at the right "subsection" level I think... Hasteur ( talk) 11:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
...And when might those be? Theo polisme 11:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
JetBlast ( talk) 12:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for message. I'd actually already spotted it at special pages, and use it occasionally, but in practice I tend to access new pages mainly through the filters or CSD to pick up problem articles Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Cool tool, thanks! Porterjoh ( talk) 13:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Oliver, I saw your note on my talk page. I saw it mentioned in some other people's messages, but couldn't find it in the documentation: how does logging work? Does it mesh with the Twinkle logs that we already have? Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 13:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that a short time ago. It's a nice tool but I actually prefer the old, familiar was of doing it. I guess if the old method is eliminated I'll end up moving to the new tool. - Balph Eubank ✉ 14:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I know about it and have been using it. I was trying to understand if there is any way to understand which is autopatrolled and which is manually patrolled (other than hovering the mouse on Tick icon)! Excellent tool! -- Tito Dutta ✉ 14:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I looked at it, having found one of your notes on someone's talk page. Didn't particularly like it, especially because of the thing that appeared on the righthand side, obscuring part of the article text (something that really annoys me on sites where there are these stupid little ads that follow you up and down the page). Reminded me of one of those damned addthis popups you get on some sites with FB, Twitter and other rubbish on. I went back to CSD and found the thing had followed me, and was inviting me to go to the next item in the queue. I wasn't dealing with a queue. I was working randomly at CSD. Eventually, I clicked the X (not knowing what the other tiny button at the top did - no balloon message came up when I hovered over it). It went away, tail between legs. Hasn't been seen since. Is it supposed to follow you, or what? I used to work in New User edits rather than New Pages before I got the mop, but if this thing had appeared there, I might have quit. OK, I use Monobook and have XP Pro set to Classic. I like those - they're easier to navigate than the big bright buttons for kids stuff. This new thing looks like a greyscale version of something that really is in a bright colour (for the kids). Might be OK for vampires, but I enjoy garlic. Peridon ( talk) 20:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your message! That function looks very useful. I will study to use it. -- Jack No1 ( talk) 什么样的节奏是最呀最摇摆?什么样的歌声才是最开怀? 14:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you a staff member of Wikimedia Fundation? -- Jack No1 15:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Look at the feedback for Ars Nova (theater). Both of them are completely unrelated, and the IP's are from across the country. One of the IP's has a history of vandalism, so the nature of the feedback can be expected; however, the page was just created today. I checked the redirects and there isn't a random article redirecting to it. I don't know if it is an AFT5 error, a Wikipedia error, or just coincidental, but it just seems unusual and I can't get to the bottom of it. Ryan Vesey 03:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if WMF is aware of the relentless push—by a small bunch of editors and admins—towards the blanket use of diacritics in article titles as described here and here (article titles with diacritics bolded). The war started with European languages, and now is moving to Vietnamese. The situation seems a bit like Orwell's Animal Farm. LittleBen ( talk) 01:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Okeyes (WMF). Hello there. This "one user has unilaterally changed all of the European articles to use diacritics in titles extensively" is evidently myself. FYI I have addressed this on User:LittleBenW's talk page, and also made a suggestion which I hope he will take up. Best regards. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm not totally sure what diacritic usage has to do with User:Okeyes (WMF) qua his role as a Foundation employee. It's not up to Oliver or Maryana or any other Wikimedia Foundation employees to help English Wikipedia get their collective shit together regarding diacritic usage. I cannot promise to read the minds of Foundation employees, but if they are even the slightest bit observant of the Wikipedia community (which given they are also community members, I'd like to think they are), I'd suggest that they are both aware of and slightly embarrassed by the parade of pointless squabbling and would rather like the community to actually seriously try to find some reasoned, stable consensus and stop making overwrought comparisons between advocates of either diacritic usage or diacritic avoidance and characters from a novel that satirises Stalinism. It just makes the vast majority of people who don't care enough about the issue look at the warring factions like the aforementioned squabbling children. Oh wait, that might just be me. — Tom Morris ( talk) 11:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I was experimenting with the new tool, which is certainly an improvement, an user whose article I tagged because it was a stub and needed more cites took it personally (see my talk page). It would be a good idea to state more emphatically that the purpose of tagging is that other editors can search for articles that require attention rather than a critique of their work. Alanl ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
..."Article Feedback page not enabled for this page." - I'm getting this message so is there any change I need to make in My preferences or is there a bug or is it disabled? Cheers! TheSpecialUser TSU 16:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
So it seems like the edit window change just went into effect. The toolbar was removed from the bottom against my protests. What can I add to my css or javascript page to get it back? Ryan Vesey 23:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Someone (not me) has started an RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Request board#RFC on Current Wikipedia Licensing. I couldn't find a way to contact the WMF, so since you're a WMF employee, you get this message. David 1217 What I've done 00:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Oliver, the question is here. LittleBen ( talk) 05:37, 27 September 2012 (UTC)