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Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin ( talk) 16:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not as personally involved as some of the others to comment, and it looks like they've done an adequate job summing things up. Nufy8 17:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

wot hpnd to maru?

hey nufy y did maru leave wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mil Falcon ( talkcontribs) 19:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

He was in hot water over some of his actions, and a request for arbitration was filed against him. He lost his administrative powers as a result of the ruling. Nufy8 20:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Why has Maru left Wikipedia? 193.154.194.38 08:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
See my comment right above yours. Nufy8 18:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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COMPLETE!

With the addition of a castlist and the proud editors/conversionsists, I do think that the Wiki Wars page is complete!

...So now what precisely should we do to let off excess nerdery? -- AK-17 16:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for compiling the cast/editors. As for what to do next, we need to get it out to a wider audience. Gwern suggested BJAODN as a start. Nufy8 17:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, we should probably look it over for errors. Nufy8 17:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Worked on getting the script to be more wikiterms than otherwise and fixed a few spelling errors. Also, you've got a last name now. ;) -- AK-17 14:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Vandalwhacker... nice. Nufy8 16:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

POV... or escriptions?

Just like to know why you think that adding more descriptions of Pantera's albums is POV. Examples: why'd you delete info about Dimebag's guitar sound, why'd you delete how the albums compare, why'd you delete info about the songs...?

A statement like this and this claiming that an album is the band's "harshest" or most "brutal" is a subjective statement of opinion; if there are reputable sources that agree with this statement, then it's possible to incorporate it into the article in a more appropriate manner. Nufy8 01:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

pulp fiction // dumb and dumber

This is a serious topic. Dont delete unless you know. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.166.41.89 ( talk) 00:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Asserting that Dumb and Dumber is similar to Pulp Fiction is a rather farfetched claim. Such claims are subject to removal unless a reliable source is provided to back it up. This is why I reverted your edits, and will do so again until this information can be verified by a reliable source. Nufy8 00:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

( Personal attack removed) Riana 04:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandal reversions

Thanks for reverting the anonymous vandalism on my talk page. It's futile in this case, however. This is a serial vandal on AOL, who vandalizes userpages and user talk pages of anyone who warns him. It turns out that AOL is a perfect ISP from which to vandalize anonymously. Every time an AOL user accesses Wikipedia, AOL assigns a different IP address! So an AOL user can make 20 vandal edits from a dozen different IP addresses. Very frustrating. My userpage is now semi-protected, but it looks like the talk page will have to be also. - Amatulic 16:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had similar experiences. Best to just wait it out until they get bored. Nufy8 18:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks From the undertow

Hello. I appreciate the effort that you have put forth in fighting vandalism, especially reverting particular edits to my userpage. I am appalled that a vandal would imply that I take part in such a nefarious activity. It has never even crossed my mind. the_undertow talk 21:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Nufy8 22:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

My UC Irvine Edit

Hey Nufy8, keep up the good work in making sure that Wiki articles are accurate. However, I do have a complaint, if my paragraph wasn't neutral, the paragraph before mine is not neutral as well. That paragraph gives arguments for not having a football team. I checked the cite for the paragraph before mine and it does not seem to back up his assertions. what if I begin my paragraph with "Critics contend that"? Why allow a paragraph in support of not having a football team and not allow one that is in support of having a football team. By censoring my paragraphs and not the paragraph before, I believe that Wikipedia is engaging in viewpoint discrimination. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 02:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

If you can supply references that support the claim that critics contend UCI's lack of a football program is diminishing it in some way, then go ahead. Note that the current paragraph about a football program does not advocate a position, but merely explains why UCI does not wish to create a football program. Also, this is referenced; it might be more accurate to link to the PDFs that discuss it, however. Nufy8 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Note: the current paragraph about the football program does advocate a position. But your the mediator not me. It gives the viewpoint of the university. Since it gives the viewpoint of the university, which is not neutral (by the way), it is unfair to censor the opposing viewpoint. viewpoint neutrality is in your guidelines. If you remove my edit, I say you should remove the paragraph from before. You never said earlier that my article was removed for the lack of cites, you removed my article for neutrality purposes. If this is the case, you did not maintain neutrality —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 04:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
The opposing viewpoint is not being censored; as I previously stated, editors are encouraged to mention opposition provided they can back it up with credible sources. There's also an important distinction to be made that I think you're missing. Having the article state "The lack of a football program is a bad thing" is POV, no matter how supported it is by sources, because it makes the article itself conform to a certain point of view; this is why I identified your edits as POV in my edit summary. Having the article state "Critics contend that the lack of a football program is a bad thing," as you had suggested, is not as blatantly POV because it introduces attribution, and therefore does not make the article conform to the viewpoint being expressed. The problem is that this attribution is not referenced, and as such, cannot be accepted. Verifiability is absolutely essential in introducing any viewpoint. Nufy8 05:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks, Ill do some research.....FYI I am a UCI Alum, and am pretty bitter about no football team, as you can probably tell. I wen to grad school and watched a lot of games with USC, UCLA, CAL, Maryland, Ohio St. people and basically felt left out. hahaha. But i will get on some cites. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 07:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
Looks a lot better now. Thanks. Nufy8 14:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Need help to avoid deletion

Hey there, I'm trying to comply to your requests concerning the EgoZ band article so that it doesn't get deleted. I've added a list of media stations with which the band has dealt in Egypt, although only Orascom TV seems to have an entry of its own on Wikipedia. I'm trying to add references for the magazine interviews, but I can't seem to find them online. Is there any way I can cite the magazines and radio station on the EgoZ page? As far as popularity is concerned there is a good number of references to the band on fans' personal pages but I'm afraid many of them are either from Myspace or hi5. Is there anything I can do with those? EgoZ also has a fan club group on Facebook, with a member total of just over 700 last time I checked it - can that be considered a claim to being well-known in Egypt? I'd greatly appreciate any help you could give me on the subject.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 05:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for responding, I'm tryin to find ways to verify the interview(s) now. You're right in that being difficult, the Orascom site is a nightmare to navigate through. But the interview was first aired on Saturday the 21st of July this year at 7:00 pm Cairo time, the show which aired it was named Shaghal, and yes the interview itself was between 25-35 minutes long; I'm still stumped as to how this can be proven however, let's just say the Egyptian media is sort of slack on records.
As to the template, thank you for informing me that I'm allowed to remove it from the article page. I'll probably do that now, if only because it's simply not pleasant to be the first thing seen when someone goes on that page. And I accept the decision to begin the discussion as a result of this removal; actually I'm hopeful about it, maybe somebody will know a way to verify the interviews that I don't, or even better maybe one of the editors will be Egyptian. Would it be possible for me to be kept informed of the developments in that discussion, or maybe even participate in it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 07:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC).
Hi it's about the Egoz band again. The band just made an appearance on the Dream One channel yesterday, it's a middle eastern satellite station, although our appearance accounts for only a little over 10 minutes of the show. There's also supposed to be another appearance on Nile TV but we're still waiting for a confirmation on when it'll be aired. Will this help with the deletion issue? I'm afraid proof of these will still be hard to find, although Nile TV does have an entry on Wikipedia. Thanks for the help about citing, I think I may have to take you up on that since I cited the two interviews that already happened on the page but I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong. If there's a page or anything that can walk me through the process, or if what I did up till now's fine, if you could let me know I'd appreciate it—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 05:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC).


Barry Bonds

Good job in being the first one to update for #756! Nyttend 04:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


User talk:82.53.117.47

Hello, I noticed you have blocked this IP for a while. The user also vandalized my talk page and tried to impersonate another user. Bearian 18:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Big Four of Thrash

Hi, I noticed you had provided some input on this article. As I noted on the article's talk page, I can't see how to reconcile WP:NPOV and WP:V issues. I was thinking of recommending it for deletion, but wasn't sure which mechanism was appropriate. Any thoughts (as to which mechanism, or whether it should go at all)? Thanks. -- bfigura ( talk) 19:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries

Fanatic6 was just reported to AIV by me. This whole Reality problem can get so tiring after a while. Silver seren 19:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It is only a matter of time, I believe. Silver seren 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and this was my first AIV submission. Cheers! Silver seren 20:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin ( talk) 16:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not as personally involved as some of the others to comment, and it looks like they've done an adequate job summing things up. Nufy8 17:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

wot hpnd to maru?

hey nufy y did maru leave wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mil Falcon ( talkcontribs) 19:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

He was in hot water over some of his actions, and a request for arbitration was filed against him. He lost his administrative powers as a result of the ruling. Nufy8 20:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Why has Maru left Wikipedia? 193.154.194.38 08:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
See my comment right above yours. Nufy8 18:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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COMPLETE!

With the addition of a castlist and the proud editors/conversionsists, I do think that the Wiki Wars page is complete!

...So now what precisely should we do to let off excess nerdery? -- AK-17 16:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for compiling the cast/editors. As for what to do next, we need to get it out to a wider audience. Gwern suggested BJAODN as a start. Nufy8 17:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, we should probably look it over for errors. Nufy8 17:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Worked on getting the script to be more wikiterms than otherwise and fixed a few spelling errors. Also, you've got a last name now. ;) -- AK-17 14:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Vandalwhacker... nice. Nufy8 16:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

POV... or escriptions?

Just like to know why you think that adding more descriptions of Pantera's albums is POV. Examples: why'd you delete info about Dimebag's guitar sound, why'd you delete how the albums compare, why'd you delete info about the songs...?

A statement like this and this claiming that an album is the band's "harshest" or most "brutal" is a subjective statement of opinion; if there are reputable sources that agree with this statement, then it's possible to incorporate it into the article in a more appropriate manner. Nufy8 01:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

pulp fiction // dumb and dumber

This is a serious topic. Dont delete unless you know. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.166.41.89 ( talk) 00:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Asserting that Dumb and Dumber is similar to Pulp Fiction is a rather farfetched claim. Such claims are subject to removal unless a reliable source is provided to back it up. This is why I reverted your edits, and will do so again until this information can be verified by a reliable source. Nufy8 00:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

( Personal attack removed) Riana 04:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandal reversions

Thanks for reverting the anonymous vandalism on my talk page. It's futile in this case, however. This is a serial vandal on AOL, who vandalizes userpages and user talk pages of anyone who warns him. It turns out that AOL is a perfect ISP from which to vandalize anonymously. Every time an AOL user accesses Wikipedia, AOL assigns a different IP address! So an AOL user can make 20 vandal edits from a dozen different IP addresses. Very frustrating. My userpage is now semi-protected, but it looks like the talk page will have to be also. - Amatulic 16:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had similar experiences. Best to just wait it out until they get bored. Nufy8 18:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hello. I appreciate the effort that you have put forth in fighting vandalism, especially reverting particular edits to my userpage. I am appalled that a vandal would imply that I take part in such a nefarious activity. It has never even crossed my mind. the_undertow talk 21:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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My UC Irvine Edit

Hey Nufy8, keep up the good work in making sure that Wiki articles are accurate. However, I do have a complaint, if my paragraph wasn't neutral, the paragraph before mine is not neutral as well. That paragraph gives arguments for not having a football team. I checked the cite for the paragraph before mine and it does not seem to back up his assertions. what if I begin my paragraph with "Critics contend that"? Why allow a paragraph in support of not having a football team and not allow one that is in support of having a football team. By censoring my paragraphs and not the paragraph before, I believe that Wikipedia is engaging in viewpoint discrimination. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 02:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

If you can supply references that support the claim that critics contend UCI's lack of a football program is diminishing it in some way, then go ahead. Note that the current paragraph about a football program does not advocate a position, but merely explains why UCI does not wish to create a football program. Also, this is referenced; it might be more accurate to link to the PDFs that discuss it, however. Nufy8 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Note: the current paragraph about the football program does advocate a position. But your the mediator not me. It gives the viewpoint of the university. Since it gives the viewpoint of the university, which is not neutral (by the way), it is unfair to censor the opposing viewpoint. viewpoint neutrality is in your guidelines. If you remove my edit, I say you should remove the paragraph from before. You never said earlier that my article was removed for the lack of cites, you removed my article for neutrality purposes. If this is the case, you did not maintain neutrality —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 04:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
The opposing viewpoint is not being censored; as I previously stated, editors are encouraged to mention opposition provided they can back it up with credible sources. There's also an important distinction to be made that I think you're missing. Having the article state "The lack of a football program is a bad thing" is POV, no matter how supported it is by sources, because it makes the article itself conform to a certain point of view; this is why I identified your edits as POV in my edit summary. Having the article state "Critics contend that the lack of a football program is a bad thing," as you had suggested, is not as blatantly POV because it introduces attribution, and therefore does not make the article conform to the viewpoint being expressed. The problem is that this attribution is not referenced, and as such, cannot be accepted. Verifiability is absolutely essential in introducing any viewpoint. Nufy8 05:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks, Ill do some research.....FYI I am a UCI Alum, and am pretty bitter about no football team, as you can probably tell. I wen to grad school and watched a lot of games with USC, UCLA, CAL, Maryland, Ohio St. people and basically felt left out. hahaha. But i will get on some cites. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.228.17 ( talk) 07:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
Looks a lot better now. Thanks. Nufy8 14:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Save the Niagara University Seal

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Need help to avoid deletion

Hey there, I'm trying to comply to your requests concerning the EgoZ band article so that it doesn't get deleted. I've added a list of media stations with which the band has dealt in Egypt, although only Orascom TV seems to have an entry of its own on Wikipedia. I'm trying to add references for the magazine interviews, but I can't seem to find them online. Is there any way I can cite the magazines and radio station on the EgoZ page? As far as popularity is concerned there is a good number of references to the band on fans' personal pages but I'm afraid many of them are either from Myspace or hi5. Is there anything I can do with those? EgoZ also has a fan club group on Facebook, with a member total of just over 700 last time I checked it - can that be considered a claim to being well-known in Egypt? I'd greatly appreciate any help you could give me on the subject.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 05:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for responding, I'm tryin to find ways to verify the interview(s) now. You're right in that being difficult, the Orascom site is a nightmare to navigate through. But the interview was first aired on Saturday the 21st of July this year at 7:00 pm Cairo time, the show which aired it was named Shaghal, and yes the interview itself was between 25-35 minutes long; I'm still stumped as to how this can be proven however, let's just say the Egyptian media is sort of slack on records.
As to the template, thank you for informing me that I'm allowed to remove it from the article page. I'll probably do that now, if only because it's simply not pleasant to be the first thing seen when someone goes on that page. And I accept the decision to begin the discussion as a result of this removal; actually I'm hopeful about it, maybe somebody will know a way to verify the interviews that I don't, or even better maybe one of the editors will be Egyptian. Would it be possible for me to be kept informed of the developments in that discussion, or maybe even participate in it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 07:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC).
Hi it's about the Egoz band again. The band just made an appearance on the Dream One channel yesterday, it's a middle eastern satellite station, although our appearance accounts for only a little over 10 minutes of the show. There's also supposed to be another appearance on Nile TV but we're still waiting for a confirmation on when it'll be aired. Will this help with the deletion issue? I'm afraid proof of these will still be hard to find, although Nile TV does have an entry on Wikipedia. Thanks for the help about citing, I think I may have to take you up on that since I cited the two interviews that already happened on the page but I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong. If there's a page or anything that can walk me through the process, or if what I did up till now's fine, if you could let me know I'd appreciate it—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swimforestswim ( talkcontribs) 05:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC).


Barry Bonds

Good job in being the first one to update for #756! Nyttend 04:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


User talk:82.53.117.47

Hello, I noticed you have blocked this IP for a while. The user also vandalized my talk page and tried to impersonate another user. Bearian 18:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Big Four of Thrash

Hi, I noticed you had provided some input on this article. As I noted on the article's talk page, I can't see how to reconcile WP:NPOV and WP:V issues. I was thinking of recommending it for deletion, but wasn't sure which mechanism was appropriate. Any thoughts (as to which mechanism, or whether it should go at all)? Thanks. -- bfigura ( talk) 19:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries

Fanatic6 was just reported to AIV by me. This whole Reality problem can get so tiring after a while. Silver seren 19:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It is only a matter of time, I believe. Silver seren 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and this was my first AIV submission. Cheers! Silver seren 20:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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