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Now, please, stop squabbling on Nishkid's talk page. Can't you see the guy isn't interested in this petulance? You guys have messed up big style, all three of you, and now we have the worst of all possible situations. Hope you're proud of yourselves. I'm trying to determine with a fellow admin how to best clean up this mess, so please stop interfering. I should really have blocked the whole lot of you once you started, involved admin or not. :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Please, you are the last one who should be giving me lectures on this. You have used the pop-ups so many times on PGG and TRNC while the disputes for the titles were going on. People living in glass-houses shouldn't throw stones. Who was the one that played with the redirect at the "Ottoman Muslim casualties of WWI" so that after the move nobody would be able to move back? You made a very minor edit so that the redirect will have an history and therefore the reversal would be impossible without admin involvement. So, just take it easy dude. Baristarim 16:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
For the minor, I had no idea it was bad to do it, and I did it in good faith, so as to keep the situation stable at the consented version as instructed. And yes, I apologize, but requesting an admin to review the change I made before one reverts it, was considered the only option (and given the results yesterday I was right). Niko Silver 17:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do the research better. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for the the "COI" fiasco, but the recent addition to the TRNC was nothing short of lame POV-pushing. I checked all the sources, and none of the sources back up what is written in that sentence; like "illegal", "occupied" etc. First read the sources, then add them please. Such twisting of info is disruption. Baristarim 16:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
And yes, editors can be bitten: he was not a new user. New users do not know how the referencing system works, and it takes a while for them to learn. No new-user can jump directly into such a dispute and make such edits. Common sense. I am afraid that you letting the emotions cloud your reasoning. Please don't do that. Baristarim 16:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Again, after the "COI" fiasco, "vandalism". Nikos, are you sure that you are reading up on all these policies that you are throwing around? Inserting "fuck you" into an article is vandalism, content dispute is not. Baristarim 17:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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Τι; Δεν είσαι πια; Αφού τώρα τις φοράω, εδώ τη στιγμή που σου γράφω... Τ'ς πούλ'σις ούλες;
I like the internal rhymes in that verse. "itch" – "scratch" - "glitch", in parallel to "this" - "that" - "-ish" - "flat", that's pretty nifty.
Ηθελα να σου απαντήσω μ'ένα άλλο, αλλά κάπως δε μου ήρθε ... :-)
Για τη σελίδα εκείνη, δε ξέρω, οι κανόνες απλώς δε λένε τίποτα γι'αυτά. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, the term "slavic languages of Macedonia" is somewhat undefined, what are these languages? Yes, I know that Bulgarian is one of these and it is one and the same with "Macedonian" (which is a dialect of BG), but for example the ordinary english or american would not know, this is why I replaced it. I added the BG name for the Aegean sea, because we had and should have an outled of the sea, these are our natural borders, why then there is the Greek for the Black Sea???? You see, it is just not fair. The same is with Solun, I can't see its Bulgarian name, while there is the greek for Plovdiv, I think we should do something...
I will not add the BG names for these before I receive your answer, but in my opinion we shall either add the Bulgarian names where they are missing or remove the greek names respectively. My respects to the greek language, but I do not think it is more important or special than Bulgarian. -- Gligan 09:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The WW2 was not the only period when BG had an outlet on the Aegean Sea, we had it under Presian, Boris I, Simeon I, Kaloyan, Ivan Asen II... After the treaty in San Stefano 1878, when the territory populated by Bulgarians was indicated, there was outlet on the sea, and even now in most major cities there are neighbourhoods called "belomorski" (aegean).
Bulgarian rule over Plovdiv was much longer than greek (in fact there was no greek rule there, Byzantium is not Greece), but still the Greek name stays. Now if you don't mind I will add the Bulgarian names of Solun and the Aegean Sea, and if they are removed I will do exactly the same with the Greek names. After we are members of this EU, we should be completely equal in everything. -- Gligan 14:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Then I will remove the Greek for Black Sea, Greece does not border it. -- Gligan 14:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Greek name because Baristarim removed the Bulgarian. So let us reach a consensus what to do:
There will be the Greek name of the Black Sea and The Bulgarian of Aegean Sea. And for Plovdiv I will add origines of the name in the geography section where all the names will be included and I will place only the BG name in the beginning as is the case with Solun. I am slightly annoyed by the use of "Slavic languages in Macedonia", but I saw that Bulgarian is included in the article of these languages, so I will accept this (although I believe that Macedonian is a dialect:)) Do you agree with this? -- Gligan 15:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
All right then, can we agree to add the Greek name for all the major BG cities and the Bulgarian (not Slavic) name for all the major GR cities, including Атина at Athens? I agree with this. -- Gligan 15:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
But Volos and Larisa for instance have been part of Bulgaria, I agree with the case of Athens. -- Gligan 15:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Could you upload a satellite view of Tenedos and its surroundings? See Talk:Tenedos to see what the issues are. The area involved should be small enough to actually show the island, but large enough to show context (say from Thrace to Lesbos, and Lemnos to well past Troy? enough to show Turkey as the mainland, anyway.) You will see on the talk page why it would be just as well to have no names; just a mark for the island and the international boundary. Let me know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Niko, an attempt has just begun to resolve the Pontian Greek Genocide dispute through an arbitration committee. Since you are one of the main contributors, could you please voice your support or objection to such a measure here. Thanks, -- A.Garnet 16:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Which one? I've been busy uploading lots of maps with lots of varieties of ugly borders. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry Niko, I forgot to reply to your earlier question - you'd asked about the difference between a name and a reference. The best analogy I can think of is that it's like the difference between the title of a book and the book's library catalogue number. The catalogue number is how everyone agrees to categorise the book, assuming they're using a common system. What people call the book, on the other hand, will depend on local circumstances (i.e. language). Thus you'll always find The Lord of the Rings (for example) categorised under a particular catalogue number; however, the book may be called The Lord of the Rings or Le Seigneur des Anneaux or Der Herr der Ringe, depending on what language that particular edition might use. In other words, the reference is a term or a symbol or a number that has been chosen to represent an object that may have more than one proper name. -- ChrisO 21:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The following search...
http://secap480.un.org/search?q="name%20former%20yugoslav%20republic%20of%20macedonia"&spell=1&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=utf8&lr=&client=UN_Website_English&num=10&site=&oe=utf8&proxystylesheet=UN_Website_English (I can't properly link it because for some unexplained dumb reason the WP software splits it in every occurence of the quotation mark character. You can copy/paste it in your browser's address bar.)
...proves that there are at least two occurencies within the UN archives (to which one must have paid access to see the complete content) that include the exact text: "name former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"
The context displayed suggests that, indeed, the word "name" is used as a descriptor:
... concerning the admission of that State to the United Nations, to the extent that it is contrary to the name [former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia], which must ...
Now that we sourced this, I would request that from now on we do not include the term "reference" or "designation" or whatever, in a diminutive context that aims to disassociate it from its natural meaning (i.e. simply "name"). Niko Silver 23:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Ευχαριστώ για το σχόλιο σου και συμφωνώ ότι δεν υπάρχουν και πολλά περιθώρια να αλλάξει η κατάσταση. Από τη μια έχουμε τούς "Μακεδόνες" που έχουν βολευτεί στο ότι όλα τα κράτη τούς αποκαλούν έτσι και δεν ενδιαφέρονται πια για κοινή λύση και από την άλλη έχουμε όλους τούς ουδέτερους ξένους που δεν ενδιαφέρονται να αλλάξουν το πώς θα ονομάζουν αυτόν τον λαό, έχοντας βολευτεί επίσης με αυτή την ονομασία. Σού λένε κιόλας ότι εμείς είμαστε οι κακοί στην ιστορία αφού δεν τούς αφήνουμε να αυτοπροσδιορίζονται. Κατά τη γνώμη μου πληρώνουμε την αδιαλλαξία των αρχών τού 1990, όπου μια λύση τύπου "Σλαβομακεδονία" ή έστω "Βόρεια Μακεδονία" θα ήταν πολύ εφικτή. Τώρα είναι πολύ αμφίβολο αν μπορούμε να πετύχουμε έστω κι αυτό. Αυτό που μπορούμε και πρέπει να κάνουμε είναι να δείξουμε γιατί πρέπει να υπάρχει διαχωρισμός των δύο "Μακεδονιών", ώστε να μην υπάρχει σύγχυση μεταξύ Σλαβομακεδόνων και Ελλήνων τής Μακεδονίας με τον ασαφή όρο Macedonian και το ζήτημα τού αυτοπροσδιορισμού των τελευταίων, που κανείς δεν το λαμβάνει υπόψη. Επίσης, το πόσο ανιστόρητο είναι να συνδέονται η αρχαία Μακεδονία και η ΠΓΔΜ. Δεν λέω ότι δεν έχουν το δικαίωμα να φτιάχνουν αγάλματα στον Μ.Αλέξανδρο, αν θέλουν να είναι τόσο μεγάλοι θαυμαστές των αρχαίων Μακεδόνων ας είναι. Το θέμα είναι ότι μιλούσαν δεν μιλούσαν ελληνική διάλεκτο οι αρχαίοι Μακεδόνες δεν έχει καμία σημασία από τη στιγμή που αυτοπροσδιορίστηκαν ως Έλληνες ήδη από τις αρχές τού 5ου αιώνα π.Χ. Πόσο μάλλον όταν δεν υπάρχει ούτε ένα όνομα αρχαίου Μακεδόνα που να μην έχει ελληνική προέλευση, ενώ η περιοχή τής αρχαίας Μακεδονίας ταυτίζεται με αυτή τής σύγχρονης ελληνικής Μακεδονίας. Το επιχείρημα που λένε γιατί δεν τούς αφήνετε να συνδέσουν τούς εαυτούς τους με την αρχαία Μακεδονία αφού ούτε και εσείς συνδέεστε μαζί της είναι τής πλάκας. ( Dionysios 07:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC))
χεχε πήγαινε στη σελίδα τού User:Makedonec να δεις τι τού έγραψα. Εδώ έγραφαν τον Νίνη ως Αλβανό, το ζεμπέκικο ως τουρκικό χoρό και τον Σαβέβσκι ως "μακεδόνα" (τον έγραψα Σλαβομακεδόνα). (Εννοείται δεν το κάνω με εθνικιστικό πάθος, αλλά εκεί που πρόκειται για αντικειμενική αλήθεια). ( Dionysios 20:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC))
Hi, can you sign yay or nay here please. Thanks, -- A.Garnet 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
For the last sentence, I have not found a reference. What I was refering to was that the claims was not considered as important by Turkish politicians, i.e. for Ecevit, I remember his speech. As I could not manage to find his quotes on google, it is my mistake to add that last sentence. Sorry for inconvinience! Burgaz 22:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
NIKO EPEIGON!!!!! Απίστευτες βλακείες γραφουν καποιοι χρήστες για τον Μακεδονικο Αγώνα και για τον Γερμανό Καραβαγέλλη. Προσπαθησα να διορθόσω λίγο την κατασταση αλλα δεν ξέρω εάν τα κατάφερα!! παρακαλώ βοήθεια!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanos_Karavangelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Seleukosa ( talk • contribs) 22:55, February 11, 2007
Hello Nick Hello check please the talk pages at the following articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Germanos_Karavangelis I asked some questions but i need some help. Your advise is important. Thank you ( Seleukosa 11:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC))
Σόρρυ, εγώ φταίω. Υπέθεσα ότι το απόσπασμα στα εισαγωγικά ήταν μετάφραση από ελληνικά (π.χ. την επικεφαλίσα της εφημερίδας).
Cypriot stud 13:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
In the case you missed this jewel that Khoi's uncovered [ [3]: and I thought that Kaltsef was at least original...-- Aldux 19:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Niko! BTW, is there any other way possible other than self-identification? :) Regards, -- Free smyrnan 23:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Macedonia
Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Niko,
I still think arbitration is the best way to resolve this articles dispute. Therefore, to get things going again, can you tell me what exactly you want to see in this arbitration before you agree? Thanks, -- A.Garnet 17:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Καλησπέρα! I have added one new article Tellos Agras. Your opinion and your suggestions are always welcome. Have a nice evening! Kapnisma 18:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Πώς σου φαίνεται η μετάφραση Aris Thessaloniki anthem; Άντε Αρειανάρα και με τη νίκη σήμερα !!! Καλό τριήμερο! Kapnisma 13:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
File, tell me what you think of the ergotelis page I built:
Reaper7 17:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Rikse mia matia edo, an thelis se parakalo! Tha m´ endiafere (para poli) i gnomi sou edo Ti les? Simfonis me ti diagafi pou protino? Ta leme. -- Asteraki 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
YG. Arki i afto i kai t´alla tria? (kseris ti enoo... ! -To lakonizin estin... epi tou parontos). -- Asteraki 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
YG.Emis den dehomaste kai den eimaste maimoudes, eimaste Makedones pou agapane tis Maimoudes. :) Ti les ki esi? -- Asteraki 16:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Niko, sorry for asking, but once we agreed to leave all relevant names in Bitola (and other articles as well) in the Name section? MatriX 21:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Niko...I was wondering what your thoughts were about this username: User:Kuakini. The user created himself after a minor skirmish at Hilo High School as evidenced by this diff [4]. It seemed that this user was creating himself only to respond to my edits on Hilo High School at the time. Interestingly, our usernames are all of one letter different. One might wonder if this was an effort to impersonate an admin? I dunno. He has been inactive basically since deleting the welcome I put on his page. I do know I am too biased on this issue to do much more than ask a fellow wikipedian for his thoughts. Kukini hablame aqui 23:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Ya! Xereis an iparxei kapoios diaxiristis pou mporei na mas voithisei se afto to arthro?-- Avienus 01:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. You participated in an edit war today at this page, with 3 reverts in the space of an hour, and using popups for automated reversions. In the future, please use dispute resolution when you have an edit conflict, and remain polite. Edit warring spreads ill-will and is counterproductive. Dmcdevit· t 06:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Geia sou Niko, blepw pws me ton giouzer philhellenism tou edoses mauro kai kitrino. Mpas kai eisai AEK? Egw hmouna aspros kai mauros alla twra asta na pane... Politis 13:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
PAOK, alla etsi pou kai pou, kai pio polly gia tin koubenta ths paraias, otan kai ama laxei; pitsirikos eimouna PAO - paidika la8ei! Politis 15:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry! :-) Sangak 21:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the formatting and references. /FunkyFly.talk_ 16:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yannismarou ( talk • contribs) 18:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
Take care. Gpyrgiot
While i am not going to fight your re-opening of the RFCN on User:Mcedonia, in the future, I would appreciate you expressing your concerns to me before taking such action. While not necessary, it is generally courteous. Secondly, I stand by my originial decision. WP:RFCN is supposed to be based on username policy. So far, I have not seen any compelling disallow arguments based on polciy, only based on the possible conflict of interest with the edits. I do the same when closing afds with allwos or deletes not backed by policy. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, just wanted to say I'm in bed at the minute (got work tomorrow!) so thats why I'm not replying to your comments on my talk page, I will reply tomorrow. By all means speak to chris or high about this. I hope theres no hard feelings about this - tomorrows another day in the office RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 01:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not threaten other members to attempt to get them to perform certain actions. "Please revert yourself and we see until tomorrow what happens, if you let it. If you don't then it won't be able to Macedon7 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
By the way, for your edification and amusement, here's list of user names we currently have. In my eyes, they are all equally poor taste, but there's no policy against them. For me, the fact that "Macedonia" is the name of the country whereas the others use the name of the group isn't much of a difference. The issue is: any user who feels that the role and identity they want to project on Wikipedia is so closely bound to their role and identity as a member of a certain ethnic group or nation that they must trumpet that connection out through the choice of their name, has a problem with what Wikipedia is all about. It's like waving a big flag with "I'm a single-purpose POV-pushing account" written on it. And that's exactly what most of these are. No difference whether they call themselves "X-ia" or "X-ian" or "X-ese patriot" or "X4ever" or "X 4life" or "X-ian pride" or "proud X-ian" or "X warrior" or whatever. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree FP, you know I do. Thanks for the heads up. When people reach the point of deliberately misinterpreting your words in order to cut you off, then you definitely have to pass. "It was a threat!" Yeah right, I "threatened" that we'd have to start all over... Niko Silver 00:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually here it's later... UTC+3. There's no rush, we'll work on it in the next days; I'll let you know. Goodnight. Niko Silver 01:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Cypriot Civil War. I'm not convinced of the validity of the article, but nationalist tag team reverting is so passé. - Francis Tyers · 23:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you that this username was unacceptable, hence why I voted Disallow. I just didn't see anything in WP:U or other policy (other than WP:SNOW, which should be used sparingly) allowing the discussion to be closed early, which was why I disagreed slightly with your comment. But I agree with you in principle. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 20:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
(Reply to message on my talkpage) OK I take your point, it's probably not worth trying to quantify all the situations in which SNOW might be applied to an RfCN. As Chris points out above, the reason we have RfCN, rather than just blocking every dodgy username at first sight, is because mistakes can be made, and not all usernames that appear questionable are actually in direct violation of WP:U. How about a simpler provision, probably under WP:RFCN rather than WP:U:
I'm not saying that the above should necessarily be added to the policy, but I think it's a good guideline for RfCN users and admins to follow. I might write a WP essay on it. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 18:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The above page is very interesting, had a quick look at the Rfc for Macedonia as well. Can I make a suggestion to you? Why don't you bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Username policy? You might like to show the precedents as well to back up your idea. It would be a very good idea to discuss this issue, because at present, there is no clear definition for countries with usernames in at WP:U Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 17:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Are these suitable precedents [5] [6]?-- Domitius 17:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Romania was already in the list. I didn't notice it as I was looking near the end of the list because I thought it was organized alphabetically - turns out it isn't.-- Domitius 17:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
FP you are constantly deleting all my evidence! How am I supposed to show people that I'm no elephant? Niko Silver 10:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Niko, any chance you can share some thoughts on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aldux#Northern_Epirus
Regards,
Φil hellenism 04:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
NIKO EPEIGON!!!!! Απίστευτες βλακείες γραφουν καποιοι χρήστες για τον Μακεδονικο Αγώνα και για τον Γερμανό Καραβαγέλλη. Προσπαθησα να διορθόσω λίγο την κατασταση αλλα δεν ξέρω εάν τα κατάφερα!! παρακαλώ βοήθεια!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanos_Karavangelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia
Signing to archive Niko Silver 21:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey buddy, you're new to me. How are you doing? So you just happen to see my contributions on 5-6 articles and decided that you found faults with every single one - no discusion of course - and just reverted cause you felt like it huh? OK. cool. I know who I am dealing at least. -- Oguz1 19:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is interested on learning how to be rude on WP, they can view this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:NikoSilver&diff=113931434&oldid=113930943. -- Oguz1 22:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Cheers for the congrats! No doub you will have opposed me! ;-) Anyway, hows the Macedonia thing getting along? Can I be of assisstance? Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 20:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw your transliteration changes. You've mainly replaced i's with e's. While your version is correct (also) there's been quite a lot of argumentation o the issue of Greek transliteration, and currently WP uses the i's. There are thousands of articles with Greek in them, so I would suggest you re-edit and post the previous version for consistency. Other than that, no-biggie from my side, and I really don't care so much.
Για να βρούμε την χρυσή τομή θα βάλω αμφότερες μεταγραφές. H greeklish μεταγραφή πάντως είναι απλώς λάθος.Ουκ εν τωι πολλωι το ευ. Η αγγλική Wikipedia νομίζω οτι είναι για τον λοιπό πλανήτη ως επί το πλείστον. Η αγγλική Wikipedia σ'ολα τ'αρθρα -πλην μάλλον αυτών που γράφουμε εμείς οι νεοέλληνες- χρησιμοποιεί άλλη μεταγραφή. Ο λοιπόν πλανήτης έχει λοιπόν ήδη μια μεταγραφή από ελληνικά στα αγγλικα η λατινικά.Και μάλιστα την σωστή. Ένα απ'τα άπειρα επιχειρήματα κατα των greeklish εν τοιαύτη περιπτώσει είναι ότι στο αγγλικό αλφάβητο ηχητικά i = (κυρίως) άι.
Παρεπιπτόντως, πιθανώς να ήθελες να διαβάσεις την πολιτική για τα ονόματα χρηστών. Φαίνεσαι αξιόλογος χρήστης, και επειδή το όνομα που διάλεξες είναι στο όριο της αποδοχής, πιθανόν η εικόνα του να κάνει άλλους χρήστες να σε αδικήσουν πριν δουν τις συνεισφορές σου.
Περί του ονόματος ουδείς λόγος.Σ'όποιον αρέσουμε.Το επίθεμα 666 ετέθη κυρίως επειδή σκέτο θάνατος κατειλημμένο.Αλλά και λίγο τσιτωμα στις θεούσες δεν βλαπτει :-)
Για οτιδήποτε χρειαστείς, η σελίδα συζήτησής μου στη διάθεσή σου.
Νάσαι καλά φίλε.Ευχαριστώ για την υποδοχή.Θα επικοινωνώ όποτε μπορώ. :) Τσάγια
heterochronised signature-tag Thanatos666 20:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the 'pit' vs. 'well' issue, could I trouble you to make the change, instead? I don't want to run the risk of the edit being considered in violation of 3RR (that particular attempt at discrediting was already tried by someone disreputable). Arcayne 16:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey :) sorry I didn't reply immediately, I've been having a think about usernames with countries in. I fully see your concerns with User:Macedonia, but I really do believe that this username doesn't infringes on policy. It doesn't say anything about supporting Macedonia and the only thing which the user could be against is POV (no reason to block for a username), this is my same opinion for all usernames with countries in, without giving an offensive comment. Shall we try and start a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Username policy? These are just my opinions and I think it would be better to get further community views. I would like to add that I think you've put a great ammount of effort into this - good job (I might be asleep by the time you reply - uni tomorrow!) Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 01:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Για την Μακεδονική διάλεκτο στη ελληνοφωνία, κοιτά τον χάρτη στην ιστοσελίδα [8]. Είναι σελίδα φόρουμ των φίλων και γειτόνων μας των σκοπιανών. Η συγκεκριμένη σελίδα αφορά την, κατ εμέ, λανθασμένη επιβεβαίωση της χώρας τους σε παλαιούς χάρτες. Στη συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση κοίτα τον 3 χάρτη της τελευταίας σειράσ. Το κλου είναι στη επιγραφή - η γλώσσα στον χάρτη: Macedones, ο τίτλος του χάρτη : Griechische Dialekte. |Αυτός ο χάρτης μπορεί να παρουσιασθεί σε άρθρο για την ελληνική μακεδονική διάλεκτο, και μάλιστα με γειτονική προέλευση. Politis 16:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What am I supposed to be reading? BIGNOLE (Question?) (What I do) 23:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking some more about our earlier discussion on RfCNs, and when a dodgy username is eligible for speedy blocking per WP:SNOW. I've concluded that there is a difference between the different types of prohibited username under WP:U, and that not all of them are snowable. Quite a high proportion of the usernames at WP:RFCN are nominated because someone finds them offensive, usually because of profanity, potential sexual connotations or racial or religious slurs. However, those kinds of usernames may be considered inappropriate by some users but perfectly acceptable by others, and sometimes users are allowed to keep usernames that violate the letter of WP:U - look at User:Gay Cdn, a respected editor who even applied for adminship at one stage, despite having a username that I would regard as inappropriate. So those kind of usernames should always pass through the RfCN process. Those which impersonate an official Wikipedia function, on the other hand, such as "Joe Admin" or "Fredbot", should be speedily blocked - this is because their inappropriateness is objective, and unlikely to be seriously questioned. So that's why I think that specific rules on the use of "speedy disallow" are needed at RfCN. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 09:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll search here towards the end of the list (earliest ones) and I'll include that too. Niko Silver 11:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't that one not be allowed, given all the other blocked Jesus freak user names? -- Kukini hablame aqui 19:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. By "well-intended" I meant that they are not offensive in the context originally intended. Since they may be offensive in other contexts, then off they go. So, what do we do with this guy? We talk to him, or do we follow your suggestion changing the reasoning for the others? (how?) Niko Silver 22:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Niko, I do need your help very much for this to work. I would like to ask you and Mardavich to write a two page summary of each section that will be focused on in the Temp Page. Have a little faith in me - I want this to work, and you can see how the constant bickering by people who hate the way the movie was made or the GN keeps us from also addressing parts like plot and production. Help me to make this work. Your input is both valuable and necessary. Arcayne 23:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes I was sure someone from the south will answer really fast :D. I think the bulgarian name of the city can stand next to the greek because, it (Solun / Thessaloniki / Salonika whichever you wish) is connected with the bulgarian history since the Middle Ages. That's my oppinion in 2 words. This is not so important ... it is but it's not worth the time and explanations and I know I won't accomplish anything. BraikoT 20:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes my e-mail is enabled. I don't know Funkyfly but TodorBozhinov writes mostly true stuff so I don't know what do you mean. Patriotism has nothing to do with the historical truths. I thing this argument is meaningless ... from Solun we will jump to Macedonia and etc. As you can see I haven't changed anything - it's Thessaloniki OK. BraikoT 20:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I do want it archived, but it seems that people will keep right on bitching right on the cleaned up page unless it ties off. The contributor posting about Herodotus, and the Temp Page being largely ignored (and the resulting two days worth of wasted space - AGAIN, and all of that after an archiving) tells me that simply archiving, and clearly defining what is not germane to the article -and therefore will not even be discussed any longer - is vital. For Pete's sake, someone put not one but TWO maps up on the Talk page! People kept shouting about how there was no concensus about the Temp Page, and that is why no one followed it, just like a little kid decides they won't like vegetables that their parents won't. We need to define, crystal-frakkkin'-clearly what isn't going to be talked about anymore, and put it at the top of the page. And then work with that framework, and then just removing comments that ignore it. I am tired about someone thinking the film is calling Xerxes a fag. It's just stupid and wasteful. We risk losing good editors when we don't do anything about the chuckleheads who continually post arguments that haven't single thing to do with the article, and never are going to have anything to do with the article. We need to take action now. We aren't close to even GA status because we haven't imposed any rules on the Talk Page, and it needs to happen, or the thing is just going to collapse under its own weight of personal slights and condescending retorts. Arcayne 21:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the more I see people interpret the Slate article, the more i am thinking that better articles must exist outside of this hateful little gnat's interpretation. Anyway, I archived stuff. Now, let's set to framing what will be discussed, and what will not. We need to do this rather quickly. Arcayne 22:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the YSEE Reference, it is really an MSNBC video clip. As far as I have known, MSNBC is a credible news station. If MSNBC says that there are 100,000 Hellenistic polytheists (or Dodecatheonists; whatever you choose to call them), it should be considered a credible npov source. I'm not saying its 100% true (after all it is only an estimate). If there are 100k of them in Greece, they should be represented on the page, after all there are 90-something thousand Muslim Greeks, and they get recognition as a minority Thegreyanomaly 02:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hullo -- I see you've added a string of footnotes to establish his androgyny. Presumably this was because of the talk-page controversy re: the character's sexuality, but that seems to have died down, and the effect on the page is a bit unwieldy. Would you be willing to choose one or two of your favorites, and chop the rest? Thanks, -- Javits2000 19:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Niko - the string of footnotes needs to get addressed, bud. I am sure you would prefer to be the one choose one or two that meet the needs of the statements, rather than leave it to someone else. The article is being peer-reviewed, so soone would be better. :) Arcayne 00:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Because you have to establish fair use for every picture that's copyrighted, and you'd never do it with 4 images in a plot section, especially one that's 700 words long. Images should never be eye candy, they should reflect an encyclopedic purpose. Generally, you don't need an image in the plot section either, but more FACs let it slide with good fair use rationales. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, good catch here [10], I added those links a few days ago and I guess I had a brain fart when it came to spelling. Thanks. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 02:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I added a paragragraph in the article Amfipoli. Could you look at and maybe it edit? It's the last paragraph. Here's the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amfipoli Thanks! Neptunekh 07:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
About the information I got on Amipoli, I'll delete it if it will make everyone happy. I don't mant to cause trouble. Neptunekh 22:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok that merge sounds great. I promise I won't copywrite anymore. Would you mind looking at these 2 Greek articles I added paragraph in there. Kirra and Nea Potidea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirra_%28Fokida%29%2C_Greece
I agree to the merge. Neptunekh 17:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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Talk moved to User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop/Kukini.
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Just to say I started a new site and forum for football ect, you are invited ofcourse and anyone else you want to bring!
http://barmedfootball.informe.com/index.php
Hope to see you on there!
15:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Listen, just on a note, I had thought that the TR Settlement article was a non-issue since it truly seemed as a fork of Cyprus dispute, surely you must see this? I had no ill-intent of POV-pushing in my mind when I nominated it and precisely said "merge (if possible) any meaningful content to Cyprus dispute". I was doing cleanup among new articles and WPTR ones, and nominated another one right after. It had nothing to do with being anti-Greek or anything, you have my word on that. However, I also would like to note for the record that I find it a bit troubling this sudden surge of interest in Turkey-related AfDs, I honestly had thought that this tension between Tr and Gr users (established ones) were over - I am particularly concerned with this unstated assumption of bad-faith of TR editors present on the part of some Greek editors. I hope that I am mistaken, because there was "no secret agenda" - you should know that I am concentrated most of the time on Turkey-exclusive, philosophy related or general upkeep stuff on Wiki.. I nom AfDs and speedy deletions regularly on a wide range of articles, particularly since I regularly check "recent changes" section.. Baristarim 21:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Aha. It will become a seperate article? Please.. See WP:FRINGE - that is really overdoing it. Also see undue weight btw. It is a minority point of view and none of those academics represent a concensus, let alone overwhelming, in academia. Some users are really going out of their way with these. I personally consider that the consistent involvement of so many Greek editors in that range of articles, particularly considering the debate at PGG, is really making it worse by turning Wikipedia into a nationalist battleground (Politis made a remark to that effect in the talk page of that article, might want to read it). I also think it is really weird, including so many fringe theories and giving them undue weight simply because they "get one over the Turks". It is not cool Nikos.. There are better ways to cooperate, rather than going down that path.
For example, you are consistently searching for additions that show Turkey and Turks in a bad light, but none vice versa. If it were about a Greece related article I could understand, but it really baffles me in this case. What is it this obsession? How many Turkish editors are editing Macedonia or purely-Greece related articles and consistently digging up the most fringe sources that show how bad Greeks were etc?
By the way, since you reminded me at an earlier time: Do not use popups for content reverts. Just a note.. Baristarim 19:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Popups you used for first edits also. I specifically said even then that I don't use them in rv-wars after the first justification, if unanswered (as is the case). Anger? Ex idion ta allotria maybe?
For the rest I added fact tags to show where you're wrong. Niko Silver 20:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha! Some Greek "fans" actually did. Their barbaric behavior was quite detestful, and I feel ashamed to belong in the same ethnic group. I hope our government finds a way to crash these phenomena. Niko Silver 20:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi I created an article about a lake in Greece called Lake Stymphalus. Would you mind looking at it and cleaning it or editing it? Here's the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Stymphalus. Thanks! Neptunekh 18:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of WPGreece | |
For your help with WP:GREECE, your great often Aristophanic humor, your interest in Greece-related articles, your FA contributions concerning Macedonia, your courage to firmly stand by your beliefs, and your exciting Nationality quiz I award you with pleasure this barnstar of national pride, waiting again for to see you back more active, vivid, and humorous.-- Yannismarou 10:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC) |
An award by you especially, is an honor of additional value which I probably don't deserve! Thank you Yanni and Kalo Pascha! Niko Silver 13:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nick, I see that you edit 300 (film). Do you know #4. "Returns A King" of the 300 (soundtrack)? -- Odysses (☜) 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Re-sent. You may be able to listen or buy here-- Odysses (☜) 07:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Χριστός ανέστη! -- PaxEquilibrium 14:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hristos a înviat! -- Biruitorul 17:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Buona Pasqua! :-)-- Aldux 17:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, from me too - frohe Ostern! -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Христос Воскресе! /FunkyFly.talk_ 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
A while back there was this lack of info about where precisely was that thema located. I dont know if you have better sources, but I came accross this one: [11]. /FunkyFly.talk_ 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Check out the flag of Gokturks also my last message to Kekrops. I made my argument. Regards.-- Doktor Gonzo 13:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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Now, please, stop squabbling on Nishkid's talk page. Can't you see the guy isn't interested in this petulance? You guys have messed up big style, all three of you, and now we have the worst of all possible situations. Hope you're proud of yourselves. I'm trying to determine with a fellow admin how to best clean up this mess, so please stop interfering. I should really have blocked the whole lot of you once you started, involved admin or not. :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Please, you are the last one who should be giving me lectures on this. You have used the pop-ups so many times on PGG and TRNC while the disputes for the titles were going on. People living in glass-houses shouldn't throw stones. Who was the one that played with the redirect at the "Ottoman Muslim casualties of WWI" so that after the move nobody would be able to move back? You made a very minor edit so that the redirect will have an history and therefore the reversal would be impossible without admin involvement. So, just take it easy dude. Baristarim 16:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
For the minor, I had no idea it was bad to do it, and I did it in good faith, so as to keep the situation stable at the consented version as instructed. And yes, I apologize, but requesting an admin to review the change I made before one reverts it, was considered the only option (and given the results yesterday I was right). Niko Silver 17:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do the research better. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for the the "COI" fiasco, but the recent addition to the TRNC was nothing short of lame POV-pushing. I checked all the sources, and none of the sources back up what is written in that sentence; like "illegal", "occupied" etc. First read the sources, then add them please. Such twisting of info is disruption. Baristarim 16:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
And yes, editors can be bitten: he was not a new user. New users do not know how the referencing system works, and it takes a while for them to learn. No new-user can jump directly into such a dispute and make such edits. Common sense. I am afraid that you letting the emotions cloud your reasoning. Please don't do that. Baristarim 16:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Again, after the "COI" fiasco, "vandalism". Nikos, are you sure that you are reading up on all these policies that you are throwing around? Inserting "fuck you" into an article is vandalism, content dispute is not. Baristarim 17:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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Τι; Δεν είσαι πια; Αφού τώρα τις φοράω, εδώ τη στιγμή που σου γράφω... Τ'ς πούλ'σις ούλες;
I like the internal rhymes in that verse. "itch" – "scratch" - "glitch", in parallel to "this" - "that" - "-ish" - "flat", that's pretty nifty.
Ηθελα να σου απαντήσω μ'ένα άλλο, αλλά κάπως δε μου ήρθε ... :-)
Για τη σελίδα εκείνη, δε ξέρω, οι κανόνες απλώς δε λένε τίποτα γι'αυτά. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, the term "slavic languages of Macedonia" is somewhat undefined, what are these languages? Yes, I know that Bulgarian is one of these and it is one and the same with "Macedonian" (which is a dialect of BG), but for example the ordinary english or american would not know, this is why I replaced it. I added the BG name for the Aegean sea, because we had and should have an outled of the sea, these are our natural borders, why then there is the Greek for the Black Sea???? You see, it is just not fair. The same is with Solun, I can't see its Bulgarian name, while there is the greek for Plovdiv, I think we should do something...
I will not add the BG names for these before I receive your answer, but in my opinion we shall either add the Bulgarian names where they are missing or remove the greek names respectively. My respects to the greek language, but I do not think it is more important or special than Bulgarian. -- Gligan 09:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The WW2 was not the only period when BG had an outlet on the Aegean Sea, we had it under Presian, Boris I, Simeon I, Kaloyan, Ivan Asen II... After the treaty in San Stefano 1878, when the territory populated by Bulgarians was indicated, there was outlet on the sea, and even now in most major cities there are neighbourhoods called "belomorski" (aegean).
Bulgarian rule over Plovdiv was much longer than greek (in fact there was no greek rule there, Byzantium is not Greece), but still the Greek name stays. Now if you don't mind I will add the Bulgarian names of Solun and the Aegean Sea, and if they are removed I will do exactly the same with the Greek names. After we are members of this EU, we should be completely equal in everything. -- Gligan 14:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Then I will remove the Greek for Black Sea, Greece does not border it. -- Gligan 14:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Greek name because Baristarim removed the Bulgarian. So let us reach a consensus what to do:
There will be the Greek name of the Black Sea and The Bulgarian of Aegean Sea. And for Plovdiv I will add origines of the name in the geography section where all the names will be included and I will place only the BG name in the beginning as is the case with Solun. I am slightly annoyed by the use of "Slavic languages in Macedonia", but I saw that Bulgarian is included in the article of these languages, so I will accept this (although I believe that Macedonian is a dialect:)) Do you agree with this? -- Gligan 15:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
All right then, can we agree to add the Greek name for all the major BG cities and the Bulgarian (not Slavic) name for all the major GR cities, including Атина at Athens? I agree with this. -- Gligan 15:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
But Volos and Larisa for instance have been part of Bulgaria, I agree with the case of Athens. -- Gligan 15:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Could you upload a satellite view of Tenedos and its surroundings? See Talk:Tenedos to see what the issues are. The area involved should be small enough to actually show the island, but large enough to show context (say from Thrace to Lesbos, and Lemnos to well past Troy? enough to show Turkey as the mainland, anyway.) You will see on the talk page why it would be just as well to have no names; just a mark for the island and the international boundary. Let me know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Niko, an attempt has just begun to resolve the Pontian Greek Genocide dispute through an arbitration committee. Since you are one of the main contributors, could you please voice your support or objection to such a measure here. Thanks, -- A.Garnet 16:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Which one? I've been busy uploading lots of maps with lots of varieties of ugly borders. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry Niko, I forgot to reply to your earlier question - you'd asked about the difference between a name and a reference. The best analogy I can think of is that it's like the difference between the title of a book and the book's library catalogue number. The catalogue number is how everyone agrees to categorise the book, assuming they're using a common system. What people call the book, on the other hand, will depend on local circumstances (i.e. language). Thus you'll always find The Lord of the Rings (for example) categorised under a particular catalogue number; however, the book may be called The Lord of the Rings or Le Seigneur des Anneaux or Der Herr der Ringe, depending on what language that particular edition might use. In other words, the reference is a term or a symbol or a number that has been chosen to represent an object that may have more than one proper name. -- ChrisO 21:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The following search...
http://secap480.un.org/search?q="name%20former%20yugoslav%20republic%20of%20macedonia"&spell=1&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=utf8&lr=&client=UN_Website_English&num=10&site=&oe=utf8&proxystylesheet=UN_Website_English (I can't properly link it because for some unexplained dumb reason the WP software splits it in every occurence of the quotation mark character. You can copy/paste it in your browser's address bar.)
...proves that there are at least two occurencies within the UN archives (to which one must have paid access to see the complete content) that include the exact text: "name former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"
The context displayed suggests that, indeed, the word "name" is used as a descriptor:
... concerning the admission of that State to the United Nations, to the extent that it is contrary to the name [former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia], which must ...
Now that we sourced this, I would request that from now on we do not include the term "reference" or "designation" or whatever, in a diminutive context that aims to disassociate it from its natural meaning (i.e. simply "name"). Niko Silver 23:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Ευχαριστώ για το σχόλιο σου και συμφωνώ ότι δεν υπάρχουν και πολλά περιθώρια να αλλάξει η κατάσταση. Από τη μια έχουμε τούς "Μακεδόνες" που έχουν βολευτεί στο ότι όλα τα κράτη τούς αποκαλούν έτσι και δεν ενδιαφέρονται πια για κοινή λύση και από την άλλη έχουμε όλους τούς ουδέτερους ξένους που δεν ενδιαφέρονται να αλλάξουν το πώς θα ονομάζουν αυτόν τον λαό, έχοντας βολευτεί επίσης με αυτή την ονομασία. Σού λένε κιόλας ότι εμείς είμαστε οι κακοί στην ιστορία αφού δεν τούς αφήνουμε να αυτοπροσδιορίζονται. Κατά τη γνώμη μου πληρώνουμε την αδιαλλαξία των αρχών τού 1990, όπου μια λύση τύπου "Σλαβομακεδονία" ή έστω "Βόρεια Μακεδονία" θα ήταν πολύ εφικτή. Τώρα είναι πολύ αμφίβολο αν μπορούμε να πετύχουμε έστω κι αυτό. Αυτό που μπορούμε και πρέπει να κάνουμε είναι να δείξουμε γιατί πρέπει να υπάρχει διαχωρισμός των δύο "Μακεδονιών", ώστε να μην υπάρχει σύγχυση μεταξύ Σλαβομακεδόνων και Ελλήνων τής Μακεδονίας με τον ασαφή όρο Macedonian και το ζήτημα τού αυτοπροσδιορισμού των τελευταίων, που κανείς δεν το λαμβάνει υπόψη. Επίσης, το πόσο ανιστόρητο είναι να συνδέονται η αρχαία Μακεδονία και η ΠΓΔΜ. Δεν λέω ότι δεν έχουν το δικαίωμα να φτιάχνουν αγάλματα στον Μ.Αλέξανδρο, αν θέλουν να είναι τόσο μεγάλοι θαυμαστές των αρχαίων Μακεδόνων ας είναι. Το θέμα είναι ότι μιλούσαν δεν μιλούσαν ελληνική διάλεκτο οι αρχαίοι Μακεδόνες δεν έχει καμία σημασία από τη στιγμή που αυτοπροσδιορίστηκαν ως Έλληνες ήδη από τις αρχές τού 5ου αιώνα π.Χ. Πόσο μάλλον όταν δεν υπάρχει ούτε ένα όνομα αρχαίου Μακεδόνα που να μην έχει ελληνική προέλευση, ενώ η περιοχή τής αρχαίας Μακεδονίας ταυτίζεται με αυτή τής σύγχρονης ελληνικής Μακεδονίας. Το επιχείρημα που λένε γιατί δεν τούς αφήνετε να συνδέσουν τούς εαυτούς τους με την αρχαία Μακεδονία αφού ούτε και εσείς συνδέεστε μαζί της είναι τής πλάκας. ( Dionysios 07:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC))
χεχε πήγαινε στη σελίδα τού User:Makedonec να δεις τι τού έγραψα. Εδώ έγραφαν τον Νίνη ως Αλβανό, το ζεμπέκικο ως τουρκικό χoρό και τον Σαβέβσκι ως "μακεδόνα" (τον έγραψα Σλαβομακεδόνα). (Εννοείται δεν το κάνω με εθνικιστικό πάθος, αλλά εκεί που πρόκειται για αντικειμενική αλήθεια). ( Dionysios 20:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC))
Hi, can you sign yay or nay here please. Thanks, -- A.Garnet 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
For the last sentence, I have not found a reference. What I was refering to was that the claims was not considered as important by Turkish politicians, i.e. for Ecevit, I remember his speech. As I could not manage to find his quotes on google, it is my mistake to add that last sentence. Sorry for inconvinience! Burgaz 22:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
NIKO EPEIGON!!!!! Απίστευτες βλακείες γραφουν καποιοι χρήστες για τον Μακεδονικο Αγώνα και για τον Γερμανό Καραβαγέλλη. Προσπαθησα να διορθόσω λίγο την κατασταση αλλα δεν ξέρω εάν τα κατάφερα!! παρακαλώ βοήθεια!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanos_Karavangelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Seleukosa ( talk • contribs) 22:55, February 11, 2007
Hello Nick Hello check please the talk pages at the following articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Germanos_Karavangelis I asked some questions but i need some help. Your advise is important. Thank you ( Seleukosa 11:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC))
Σόρρυ, εγώ φταίω. Υπέθεσα ότι το απόσπασμα στα εισαγωγικά ήταν μετάφραση από ελληνικά (π.χ. την επικεφαλίσα της εφημερίδας).
Cypriot stud 13:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
In the case you missed this jewel that Khoi's uncovered [ [3]: and I thought that Kaltsef was at least original...-- Aldux 19:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Niko! BTW, is there any other way possible other than self-identification? :) Regards, -- Free smyrnan 23:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Macedonia
Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Niko,
I still think arbitration is the best way to resolve this articles dispute. Therefore, to get things going again, can you tell me what exactly you want to see in this arbitration before you agree? Thanks, -- A.Garnet 17:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Καλησπέρα! I have added one new article Tellos Agras. Your opinion and your suggestions are always welcome. Have a nice evening! Kapnisma 18:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Πώς σου φαίνεται η μετάφραση Aris Thessaloniki anthem; Άντε Αρειανάρα και με τη νίκη σήμερα !!! Καλό τριήμερο! Kapnisma 13:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
File, tell me what you think of the ergotelis page I built:
Reaper7 17:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Rikse mia matia edo, an thelis se parakalo! Tha m´ endiafere (para poli) i gnomi sou edo Ti les? Simfonis me ti diagafi pou protino? Ta leme. -- Asteraki 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
YG. Arki i afto i kai t´alla tria? (kseris ti enoo... ! -To lakonizin estin... epi tou parontos). -- Asteraki 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
YG.Emis den dehomaste kai den eimaste maimoudes, eimaste Makedones pou agapane tis Maimoudes. :) Ti les ki esi? -- Asteraki 16:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Niko, sorry for asking, but once we agreed to leave all relevant names in Bitola (and other articles as well) in the Name section? MatriX 21:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Niko...I was wondering what your thoughts were about this username: User:Kuakini. The user created himself after a minor skirmish at Hilo High School as evidenced by this diff [4]. It seemed that this user was creating himself only to respond to my edits on Hilo High School at the time. Interestingly, our usernames are all of one letter different. One might wonder if this was an effort to impersonate an admin? I dunno. He has been inactive basically since deleting the welcome I put on his page. I do know I am too biased on this issue to do much more than ask a fellow wikipedian for his thoughts. Kukini hablame aqui 23:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Ya! Xereis an iparxei kapoios diaxiristis pou mporei na mas voithisei se afto to arthro?-- Avienus 01:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. You participated in an edit war today at this page, with 3 reverts in the space of an hour, and using popups for automated reversions. In the future, please use dispute resolution when you have an edit conflict, and remain polite. Edit warring spreads ill-will and is counterproductive. Dmcdevit· t 06:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Geia sou Niko, blepw pws me ton giouzer philhellenism tou edoses mauro kai kitrino. Mpas kai eisai AEK? Egw hmouna aspros kai mauros alla twra asta na pane... Politis 13:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
PAOK, alla etsi pou kai pou, kai pio polly gia tin koubenta ths paraias, otan kai ama laxei; pitsirikos eimouna PAO - paidika la8ei! Politis 15:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks and sorry! :-) Sangak 21:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the formatting and references. /FunkyFly.talk_ 16:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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Take care. Gpyrgiot
While i am not going to fight your re-opening of the RFCN on User:Mcedonia, in the future, I would appreciate you expressing your concerns to me before taking such action. While not necessary, it is generally courteous. Secondly, I stand by my originial decision. WP:RFCN is supposed to be based on username policy. So far, I have not seen any compelling disallow arguments based on polciy, only based on the possible conflict of interest with the edits. I do the same when closing afds with allwos or deletes not backed by policy. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, just wanted to say I'm in bed at the minute (got work tomorrow!) so thats why I'm not replying to your comments on my talk page, I will reply tomorrow. By all means speak to chris or high about this. I hope theres no hard feelings about this - tomorrows another day in the office RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 01:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not threaten other members to attempt to get them to perform certain actions. "Please revert yourself and we see until tomorrow what happens, if you let it. If you don't then it won't be able to Macedon7 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
By the way, for your edification and amusement, here's list of user names we currently have. In my eyes, they are all equally poor taste, but there's no policy against them. For me, the fact that "Macedonia" is the name of the country whereas the others use the name of the group isn't much of a difference. The issue is: any user who feels that the role and identity they want to project on Wikipedia is so closely bound to their role and identity as a member of a certain ethnic group or nation that they must trumpet that connection out through the choice of their name, has a problem with what Wikipedia is all about. It's like waving a big flag with "I'm a single-purpose POV-pushing account" written on it. And that's exactly what most of these are. No difference whether they call themselves "X-ia" or "X-ian" or "X-ese patriot" or "X4ever" or "X 4life" or "X-ian pride" or "proud X-ian" or "X warrior" or whatever. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree FP, you know I do. Thanks for the heads up. When people reach the point of deliberately misinterpreting your words in order to cut you off, then you definitely have to pass. "It was a threat!" Yeah right, I "threatened" that we'd have to start all over... Niko Silver 00:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually here it's later... UTC+3. There's no rush, we'll work on it in the next days; I'll let you know. Goodnight. Niko Silver 01:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Cypriot Civil War. I'm not convinced of the validity of the article, but nationalist tag team reverting is so passé. - Francis Tyers · 23:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you that this username was unacceptable, hence why I voted Disallow. I just didn't see anything in WP:U or other policy (other than WP:SNOW, which should be used sparingly) allowing the discussion to be closed early, which was why I disagreed slightly with your comment. But I agree with you in principle. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 20:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
(Reply to message on my talkpage) OK I take your point, it's probably not worth trying to quantify all the situations in which SNOW might be applied to an RfCN. As Chris points out above, the reason we have RfCN, rather than just blocking every dodgy username at first sight, is because mistakes can be made, and not all usernames that appear questionable are actually in direct violation of WP:U. How about a simpler provision, probably under WP:RFCN rather than WP:U:
I'm not saying that the above should necessarily be added to the policy, but I think it's a good guideline for RfCN users and admins to follow. I might write a WP essay on it. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 18:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The above page is very interesting, had a quick look at the Rfc for Macedonia as well. Can I make a suggestion to you? Why don't you bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Username policy? You might like to show the precedents as well to back up your idea. It would be a very good idea to discuss this issue, because at present, there is no clear definition for countries with usernames in at WP:U Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 17:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Are these suitable precedents [5] [6]?-- Domitius 17:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Romania was already in the list. I didn't notice it as I was looking near the end of the list because I thought it was organized alphabetically - turns out it isn't.-- Domitius 17:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
FP you are constantly deleting all my evidence! How am I supposed to show people that I'm no elephant? Niko Silver 10:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Niko, any chance you can share some thoughts on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aldux#Northern_Epirus
Regards,
Φil hellenism 04:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
NIKO EPEIGON!!!!! Απίστευτες βλακείες γραφουν καποιοι χρήστες για τον Μακεδονικο Αγώνα και για τον Γερμανό Καραβαγέλλη. Προσπαθησα να διορθόσω λίγο την κατασταση αλλα δεν ξέρω εάν τα κατάφερα!! παρακαλώ βοήθεια!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanos_Karavangelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia
Signing to archive Niko Silver 21:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey buddy, you're new to me. How are you doing? So you just happen to see my contributions on 5-6 articles and decided that you found faults with every single one - no discusion of course - and just reverted cause you felt like it huh? OK. cool. I know who I am dealing at least. -- Oguz1 19:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is interested on learning how to be rude on WP, they can view this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:NikoSilver&diff=113931434&oldid=113930943. -- Oguz1 22:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Cheers for the congrats! No doub you will have opposed me! ;-) Anyway, hows the Macedonia thing getting along? Can I be of assisstance? Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 20:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw your transliteration changes. You've mainly replaced i's with e's. While your version is correct (also) there's been quite a lot of argumentation o the issue of Greek transliteration, and currently WP uses the i's. There are thousands of articles with Greek in them, so I would suggest you re-edit and post the previous version for consistency. Other than that, no-biggie from my side, and I really don't care so much.
Για να βρούμε την χρυσή τομή θα βάλω αμφότερες μεταγραφές. H greeklish μεταγραφή πάντως είναι απλώς λάθος.Ουκ εν τωι πολλωι το ευ. Η αγγλική Wikipedia νομίζω οτι είναι για τον λοιπό πλανήτη ως επί το πλείστον. Η αγγλική Wikipedia σ'ολα τ'αρθρα -πλην μάλλον αυτών που γράφουμε εμείς οι νεοέλληνες- χρησιμοποιεί άλλη μεταγραφή. Ο λοιπόν πλανήτης έχει λοιπόν ήδη μια μεταγραφή από ελληνικά στα αγγλικα η λατινικά.Και μάλιστα την σωστή. Ένα απ'τα άπειρα επιχειρήματα κατα των greeklish εν τοιαύτη περιπτώσει είναι ότι στο αγγλικό αλφάβητο ηχητικά i = (κυρίως) άι.
Παρεπιπτόντως, πιθανώς να ήθελες να διαβάσεις την πολιτική για τα ονόματα χρηστών. Φαίνεσαι αξιόλογος χρήστης, και επειδή το όνομα που διάλεξες είναι στο όριο της αποδοχής, πιθανόν η εικόνα του να κάνει άλλους χρήστες να σε αδικήσουν πριν δουν τις συνεισφορές σου.
Περί του ονόματος ουδείς λόγος.Σ'όποιον αρέσουμε.Το επίθεμα 666 ετέθη κυρίως επειδή σκέτο θάνατος κατειλημμένο.Αλλά και λίγο τσιτωμα στις θεούσες δεν βλαπτει :-)
Για οτιδήποτε χρειαστείς, η σελίδα συζήτησής μου στη διάθεσή σου.
Νάσαι καλά φίλε.Ευχαριστώ για την υποδοχή.Θα επικοινωνώ όποτε μπορώ. :) Τσάγια
heterochronised signature-tag Thanatos666 20:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the 'pit' vs. 'well' issue, could I trouble you to make the change, instead? I don't want to run the risk of the edit being considered in violation of 3RR (that particular attempt at discrediting was already tried by someone disreputable). Arcayne 16:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey :) sorry I didn't reply immediately, I've been having a think about usernames with countries in. I fully see your concerns with User:Macedonia, but I really do believe that this username doesn't infringes on policy. It doesn't say anything about supporting Macedonia and the only thing which the user could be against is POV (no reason to block for a username), this is my same opinion for all usernames with countries in, without giving an offensive comment. Shall we try and start a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Username policy? These are just my opinions and I think it would be better to get further community views. I would like to add that I think you've put a great ammount of effort into this - good job (I might be asleep by the time you reply - uni tomorrow!) Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 01:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Για την Μακεδονική διάλεκτο στη ελληνοφωνία, κοιτά τον χάρτη στην ιστοσελίδα [8]. Είναι σελίδα φόρουμ των φίλων και γειτόνων μας των σκοπιανών. Η συγκεκριμένη σελίδα αφορά την, κατ εμέ, λανθασμένη επιβεβαίωση της χώρας τους σε παλαιούς χάρτες. Στη συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση κοίτα τον 3 χάρτη της τελευταίας σειράσ. Το κλου είναι στη επιγραφή - η γλώσσα στον χάρτη: Macedones, ο τίτλος του χάρτη : Griechische Dialekte. |Αυτός ο χάρτης μπορεί να παρουσιασθεί σε άρθρο για την ελληνική μακεδονική διάλεκτο, και μάλιστα με γειτονική προέλευση. Politis 16:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What am I supposed to be reading? BIGNOLE (Question?) (What I do) 23:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking some more about our earlier discussion on RfCNs, and when a dodgy username is eligible for speedy blocking per WP:SNOW. I've concluded that there is a difference between the different types of prohibited username under WP:U, and that not all of them are snowable. Quite a high proportion of the usernames at WP:RFCN are nominated because someone finds them offensive, usually because of profanity, potential sexual connotations or racial or religious slurs. However, those kinds of usernames may be considered inappropriate by some users but perfectly acceptable by others, and sometimes users are allowed to keep usernames that violate the letter of WP:U - look at User:Gay Cdn, a respected editor who even applied for adminship at one stage, despite having a username that I would regard as inappropriate. So those kind of usernames should always pass through the RfCN process. Those which impersonate an official Wikipedia function, on the other hand, such as "Joe Admin" or "Fredbot", should be speedily blocked - this is because their inappropriateness is objective, and unlikely to be seriously questioned. So that's why I think that specific rules on the use of "speedy disallow" are needed at RfCN. Wal ton Vivat Regina! 09:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll search here towards the end of the list (earliest ones) and I'll include that too. Niko Silver 11:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't that one not be allowed, given all the other blocked Jesus freak user names? -- Kukini hablame aqui 19:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. By "well-intended" I meant that they are not offensive in the context originally intended. Since they may be offensive in other contexts, then off they go. So, what do we do with this guy? We talk to him, or do we follow your suggestion changing the reasoning for the others? (how?) Niko Silver 22:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Niko, I do need your help very much for this to work. I would like to ask you and Mardavich to write a two page summary of each section that will be focused on in the Temp Page. Have a little faith in me - I want this to work, and you can see how the constant bickering by people who hate the way the movie was made or the GN keeps us from also addressing parts like plot and production. Help me to make this work. Your input is both valuable and necessary. Arcayne 23:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes I was sure someone from the south will answer really fast :D. I think the bulgarian name of the city can stand next to the greek because, it (Solun / Thessaloniki / Salonika whichever you wish) is connected with the bulgarian history since the Middle Ages. That's my oppinion in 2 words. This is not so important ... it is but it's not worth the time and explanations and I know I won't accomplish anything. BraikoT 20:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes my e-mail is enabled. I don't know Funkyfly but TodorBozhinov writes mostly true stuff so I don't know what do you mean. Patriotism has nothing to do with the historical truths. I thing this argument is meaningless ... from Solun we will jump to Macedonia and etc. As you can see I haven't changed anything - it's Thessaloniki OK. BraikoT 20:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I do want it archived, but it seems that people will keep right on bitching right on the cleaned up page unless it ties off. The contributor posting about Herodotus, and the Temp Page being largely ignored (and the resulting two days worth of wasted space - AGAIN, and all of that after an archiving) tells me that simply archiving, and clearly defining what is not germane to the article -and therefore will not even be discussed any longer - is vital. For Pete's sake, someone put not one but TWO maps up on the Talk page! People kept shouting about how there was no concensus about the Temp Page, and that is why no one followed it, just like a little kid decides they won't like vegetables that their parents won't. We need to define, crystal-frakkkin'-clearly what isn't going to be talked about anymore, and put it at the top of the page. And then work with that framework, and then just removing comments that ignore it. I am tired about someone thinking the film is calling Xerxes a fag. It's just stupid and wasteful. We risk losing good editors when we don't do anything about the chuckleheads who continually post arguments that haven't single thing to do with the article, and never are going to have anything to do with the article. We need to take action now. We aren't close to even GA status because we haven't imposed any rules on the Talk Page, and it needs to happen, or the thing is just going to collapse under its own weight of personal slights and condescending retorts. Arcayne 21:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the more I see people interpret the Slate article, the more i am thinking that better articles must exist outside of this hateful little gnat's interpretation. Anyway, I archived stuff. Now, let's set to framing what will be discussed, and what will not. We need to do this rather quickly. Arcayne 22:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the YSEE Reference, it is really an MSNBC video clip. As far as I have known, MSNBC is a credible news station. If MSNBC says that there are 100,000 Hellenistic polytheists (or Dodecatheonists; whatever you choose to call them), it should be considered a credible npov source. I'm not saying its 100% true (after all it is only an estimate). If there are 100k of them in Greece, they should be represented on the page, after all there are 90-something thousand Muslim Greeks, and they get recognition as a minority Thegreyanomaly 02:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hullo -- I see you've added a string of footnotes to establish his androgyny. Presumably this was because of the talk-page controversy re: the character's sexuality, but that seems to have died down, and the effect on the page is a bit unwieldy. Would you be willing to choose one or two of your favorites, and chop the rest? Thanks, -- Javits2000 19:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Niko - the string of footnotes needs to get addressed, bud. I am sure you would prefer to be the one choose one or two that meet the needs of the statements, rather than leave it to someone else. The article is being peer-reviewed, so soone would be better. :) Arcayne 00:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Because you have to establish fair use for every picture that's copyrighted, and you'd never do it with 4 images in a plot section, especially one that's 700 words long. Images should never be eye candy, they should reflect an encyclopedic purpose. Generally, you don't need an image in the plot section either, but more FACs let it slide with good fair use rationales. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, good catch here [10], I added those links a few days ago and I guess I had a brain fart when it came to spelling. Thanks. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 02:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I added a paragragraph in the article Amfipoli. Could you look at and maybe it edit? It's the last paragraph. Here's the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amfipoli Thanks! Neptunekh 07:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
About the information I got on Amipoli, I'll delete it if it will make everyone happy. I don't mant to cause trouble. Neptunekh 22:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok that merge sounds great. I promise I won't copywrite anymore. Would you mind looking at these 2 Greek articles I added paragraph in there. Kirra and Nea Potidea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirra_%28Fokida%29%2C_Greece
I agree to the merge. Neptunekh 17:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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Talk moved to User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop/Kukini.
15:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to say I started a new site and forum for football ect, you are invited ofcourse and anyone else you want to bring!
http://barmedfootball.informe.com/index.php
Hope to see you on there!
15:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Listen, just on a note, I had thought that the TR Settlement article was a non-issue since it truly seemed as a fork of Cyprus dispute, surely you must see this? I had no ill-intent of POV-pushing in my mind when I nominated it and precisely said "merge (if possible) any meaningful content to Cyprus dispute". I was doing cleanup among new articles and WPTR ones, and nominated another one right after. It had nothing to do with being anti-Greek or anything, you have my word on that. However, I also would like to note for the record that I find it a bit troubling this sudden surge of interest in Turkey-related AfDs, I honestly had thought that this tension between Tr and Gr users (established ones) were over - I am particularly concerned with this unstated assumption of bad-faith of TR editors present on the part of some Greek editors. I hope that I am mistaken, because there was "no secret agenda" - you should know that I am concentrated most of the time on Turkey-exclusive, philosophy related or general upkeep stuff on Wiki.. I nom AfDs and speedy deletions regularly on a wide range of articles, particularly since I regularly check "recent changes" section.. Baristarim 21:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Aha. It will become a seperate article? Please.. See WP:FRINGE - that is really overdoing it. Also see undue weight btw. It is a minority point of view and none of those academics represent a concensus, let alone overwhelming, in academia. Some users are really going out of their way with these. I personally consider that the consistent involvement of so many Greek editors in that range of articles, particularly considering the debate at PGG, is really making it worse by turning Wikipedia into a nationalist battleground (Politis made a remark to that effect in the talk page of that article, might want to read it). I also think it is really weird, including so many fringe theories and giving them undue weight simply because they "get one over the Turks". It is not cool Nikos.. There are better ways to cooperate, rather than going down that path.
For example, you are consistently searching for additions that show Turkey and Turks in a bad light, but none vice versa. If it were about a Greece related article I could understand, but it really baffles me in this case. What is it this obsession? How many Turkish editors are editing Macedonia or purely-Greece related articles and consistently digging up the most fringe sources that show how bad Greeks were etc?
By the way, since you reminded me at an earlier time: Do not use popups for content reverts. Just a note.. Baristarim 19:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Popups you used for first edits also. I specifically said even then that I don't use them in rv-wars after the first justification, if unanswered (as is the case). Anger? Ex idion ta allotria maybe?
For the rest I added fact tags to show where you're wrong. Niko Silver 20:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha! Some Greek "fans" actually did. Their barbaric behavior was quite detestful, and I feel ashamed to belong in the same ethnic group. I hope our government finds a way to crash these phenomena. Niko Silver 20:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi I created an article about a lake in Greece called Lake Stymphalus. Would you mind looking at it and cleaning it or editing it? Here's the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Stymphalus. Thanks! Neptunekh 18:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of WPGreece | |
For your help with WP:GREECE, your great often Aristophanic humor, your interest in Greece-related articles, your FA contributions concerning Macedonia, your courage to firmly stand by your beliefs, and your exciting Nationality quiz I award you with pleasure this barnstar of national pride, waiting again for to see you back more active, vivid, and humorous.-- Yannismarou 10:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC) |
An award by you especially, is an honor of additional value which I probably don't deserve! Thank you Yanni and Kalo Pascha! Niko Silver 13:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nick, I see that you edit 300 (film). Do you know #4. "Returns A King" of the 300 (soundtrack)? -- Odysses (☜) 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Re-sent. You may be able to listen or buy here-- Odysses (☜) 07:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Χριστός ανέστη! -- PaxEquilibrium 14:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hristos a înviat! -- Biruitorul 17:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Buona Pasqua! :-)-- Aldux 17:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, from me too - frohe Ostern! -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Христос Воскресе! /FunkyFly.talk_ 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
A while back there was this lack of info about where precisely was that thema located. I dont know if you have better sources, but I came accross this one: [11]. /FunkyFly.talk_ 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Check out the flag of Gokturks also my last message to Kekrops. I made my argument. Regards.-- Doktor Gonzo 13:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)