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Thanks for being in touch. I've been in contact with a user called RPSM. He tells me he's indefinitely blocked on Swedish Wikipedia and seems resigned to the block not being overturned. I noticed this because I found him on en: asking for people to make edits on your pages, which struck me as interesting - he clearly respects the block and isn't socking, which at least is one thing in his favour. I think he feels rather hard done by, which may be unfair... may not be. He seems quite argumentative, which may be why he's been blocked, but somewhat expert in certain fields. I wonder if you'd mind taking another look at his case? If there has been problematic behaviour, I don't mind trying to mediate to get him to understand what is not acceptable. At worst, I could fail. -- Dweller ( talk) 22:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. OK, we might have something we can work with here. I think the issues seem to be as follows:
Taking those in turn: COI - what's RPSM's COI? Has s/he authored a book or some such, that they're trying to push? Antisemitism - please will you confirm that the accusations are baseless. If so, that's an easy one, I hope. Walls of text - also, fairly easy to deal with Language skills - I'd guess that like on en: if this was the only problem, there'd be no problem.
Please could you also translate the blocking reason and the unblock request and post it here for me.
Thanks for getting back: optimistic of a good result. -- Dweller ( talk) 08:55, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd also like you to ask the blocking admin (Grillo) if s/he minds if we try to find a way for RPSM to return. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
OK. Heres the request to unblock. It was a bit tricky to translate and you might want to ask RPSM to check for errors and misconceptions.
"It was the following post that derailed the discussion:
Actually, regardless, relying on myself as a person, but I can also turn to everyone here who edits. We are biological beings, and like other creatures, we can feel stress, anxiety, pain, etc.. There is really nothing that separates us from other animals. If anyone got the idea that hanging me upside down or otherwise depriving me of my freedom, starting to cut my throat and letting me bleed to death while in a fixed position, I would feel myself extremely vulnerable, defenseless, feel pain, become stressed and so forth, while life literally drains out of me. Then in any case a bolt in my head would be much more humane. Is there any independent (of especially religion) research that shows that Jewish ritual slaughter does not create unnecessary suffering for animals while they bleed to death? dnm (d | b) March 30, 2011, at. 20:54 (CEST) [the translation of this quote is based on the one RPSM made on your talk page with a few minor differences]
Because similar stories have been sent by mail to those who has publicly spoken in favor of jewish slaughter in Sweden, worded like: "How would you like to die like... etc" as anonymous letters, and i have seen one such [letter] reported to the police. The one i saw was admittedly rougher and more brutal and was reported to the police. The core question is if you can justify eating animals, especially mammals. You are not supposed to discuss the major philosophical questions on discusson pages. Because dnm requested research i brought forth the statement of professor Sahlstedt from 1925. It's basic knowledge on this subject.
As the article stands, it's incorrect. There is nothing in jewish sources about having to cut carotid arteries, and another error that's found it's way in to the veterinary litterature is that the animal has to bleed out in another manner in jewish slaughter than in other forms of slaughter. There are big misconceptions on a basic level, wich are disseminated and wich are untrue. RPSM 14 april 2011 kl. 15.39 (CEST)"
Niklas R Talkpage 13:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
No intention here to be patronising or imperialistic - just trying to help out a user I encountered here... and the project. I couldn't navigate your pages, or I'd happily have discussed it there. The block seemed rather baffling, you've explained it now. Is it your intention to just leave him blocked forever, regardless? -- Dweller ( talk) 17:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
PS I've never been accused of imperialism before. The Dweller Empire sounds rubbish. Although I wouldn't mind a few slaves. -- Dweller ( talk) 18:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I had no intention of criticising the way you guys do things and re-reading what I wrote, I think it does appear that I did. I apologise for that. As I say, it wasn't intended. I've posted to RPSM that the best way forward is for him/her to learn to moderate their ways here. I'll try to help them, if they wish to be helped (which is always the key). You've all been very generous with your time and explanations, for which I thank you. And it can't be easy explaining detail like this in a second or third language. I hope RPSM comes back to you in a few months with evidence of being a model Wikipedian and you then have an opportunity to reconsider. -- Dweller ( talk) 19:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I can now edit my own talk page on Swedish wikipedia. I could not do this before and so have not until now done more that make a very weak and symbolic protest about my block there because I could not edit anything whatsoever there until I tried today. RPSM ( talk) 09:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I am now blocked from editing anything on Swedish Wikipedia including my own talk page there. A correction. I edited practically the entire Swedish article Kashruth. I edited an article Keneidelech there (recipe) as well as Posek, but someone else took the credit. I did not start out with the idea of focusing on articles of Jewish interest, but noticed there was a lot of bias and no references. I also initiated and edited the article DIALREL (EU project on religious slaughter. The story is that a couple of serious academics encouraged me to research the literature on the subject of Religious Slaughter and controverises in Scandinavia (banned in Switzerland, Norway and Sweden). I made a serious project of it ordering rare books that are not in any libraries in Sweden, where I am.
My problem is trying to write articles about the subject of Religous Slaughter bans that are POV free, when a fair number of the most authoritative sources are scathing and sceptical as to how the Swedish authorities have handled this matter (Temple Grandin, Professor of Food Science: Regensberg, and a pair of Swedish ethnologists: Karlsson and Svanberg). I have not had any serious discussions with Swedish editors who have taken the trouble to read the sources. My impression is that there is an overwhelming conviction in Sweden based on hearsay and politics. This is Temple Grandin's comment (acknowleged world expert) that basing scientific work on politics results in bad science. My views on this matter are based on the current research which seems to be divided depending on if you are American or Scandinavian or from a muslim country. I am trying to present the facts as they exist in the sources and it is an uphill struggle.
There are two differences between English Wikipedia and Swedish Wikipedia. On the Swedish version you are not permitted to erase anything on your home page. ii) There is no rule not to discuss the subject matter. So every now and then a political discussion is initiated eg "I would prefer to die from a steel bolt through the head" (and even worse that I will not repeat) which is not the level of discussion I am interested in.
I also edited Blood Libel in Swedish, but my entire contribution was erased. I have also edited articles on old photographic processs. I started the Swedish article on Cyber Bullying (Data Mobbning)
I started editing an article called Bans on Ritual Slaughter that changed its name ot Legal Aspects of Religous Slaghter. I was advised to edit in another language by an editor so have switched between the two languages. I am interested in the controversy as such, as I have a background in Sociolinguistics that covers how people from different cultures misunderstand each other. RPSM ( talk) 11:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Wvs's initial warning to me (ref later) to desist from editing the article was echoed by admin Sjö and I reacted angrily, as I felt then and still do now, that if I am serious about researching the literature, I have as just as much right as anyone else to edit if I have something to contribute. I snapped back at Sjö that I was not one of his privates (a remark which I now regret. Law reported to me that Sjö had been tremendously upset at this and had decided to back out of editing the Skäktning (Religious Slaughter) article.
The fact that administrator Sjö himself initiated a complaint to block me after having been directly involved in a clash that both of us ought to have worked out together between us indicate that the moves to block are not free from personal vendettas where the administrators themselsves are personally involved. In a court of law, the personal interest would disqualify them from acting plaintiff, judge and jury all at once. RPSM ( talk) 09:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Status now is that I am permanently blocked on Swedish Wikipedia and can edit nothing, not even my talk page there. I was requested by Sjö to fix a reference there in the Skäktning article, and of course cannot do it. (A reference to Professor Sjöstedt's report that Jewish slaughter is humane and not cruel from 1925. (Veterinärhögskolan)
Also the Shechita article I wrote needs a core section (the terms used for knife technique). The Swedish article I wrote on the Daguerreotype needs some core information (What is the chemical composition of the image?)
I was going to entirely rewrite the Skäktning article (Relgious Slaghter), now I have gathered references and read them, but instead I could use it for course credit somewhere or perhaps publish something myself. RPSM ( talk) 09:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The Hebrew spelling in the Swedish and Dutch articles has an error in the Hebrew.
The spelling of the word "hallelujah" in the English is not pointed and is correct.
The Swedish and Dutch articles have the vowel points inserted and there is an error.
Under the lamed there is a hiriq which is one single dot pronounced i. This is wrong.
The correct pointing is a shva under the lamed. (neutral vowel)
I can change the Dutch article, but not the Swedish one, as I am permanently blocked from editing there.
What to do? RPSM ( talk) 09:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
In the article "Sabbaten", the following sentence appears as the final sentence: Det finns dock inga historiska bevis för att lagarna om sabbatsår, jubelår och friår någonsin har efterlevs. My transation: "There is, however, no historical evidence that the laws on Schmitta (sabattical year), jubilee year, or sabbatical year have ever been followed." Firstly, the last mentioned "friår" is secular, and means taking a year off from eg a University teaching tenure. The biblical sabbatical year shmitta means every seventh year, the land (in Israel) must lie fallow (I träda). Domestic ans wild animals are allowed to eat anything that grows. The owner may eat for private consumption but may not put it on the market (fruit, grapes etc). Wine may not contain grapes harvested in these years. So it is very much indeed observed today by observant Jews. Extra Rabbinical laws to deal with those who were not punctillious in their observance are discussed in th English article. That Swedish WP can be so sloppy in cases such as this, frankly makes it an unreliable source. RPSM ( talk) 09:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for being in touch. I've been in contact with a user called RPSM. He tells me he's indefinitely blocked on Swedish Wikipedia and seems resigned to the block not being overturned. I noticed this because I found him on en: asking for people to make edits on your pages, which struck me as interesting - he clearly respects the block and isn't socking, which at least is one thing in his favour. I think he feels rather hard done by, which may be unfair... may not be. He seems quite argumentative, which may be why he's been blocked, but somewhat expert in certain fields. I wonder if you'd mind taking another look at his case? If there has been problematic behaviour, I don't mind trying to mediate to get him to understand what is not acceptable. At worst, I could fail. -- Dweller ( talk) 22:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. OK, we might have something we can work with here. I think the issues seem to be as follows:
Taking those in turn: COI - what's RPSM's COI? Has s/he authored a book or some such, that they're trying to push? Antisemitism - please will you confirm that the accusations are baseless. If so, that's an easy one, I hope. Walls of text - also, fairly easy to deal with Language skills - I'd guess that like on en: if this was the only problem, there'd be no problem.
Please could you also translate the blocking reason and the unblock request and post it here for me.
Thanks for getting back: optimistic of a good result. -- Dweller ( talk) 08:55, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd also like you to ask the blocking admin (Grillo) if s/he minds if we try to find a way for RPSM to return. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
OK. Heres the request to unblock. It was a bit tricky to translate and you might want to ask RPSM to check for errors and misconceptions.
"It was the following post that derailed the discussion:
Actually, regardless, relying on myself as a person, but I can also turn to everyone here who edits. We are biological beings, and like other creatures, we can feel stress, anxiety, pain, etc.. There is really nothing that separates us from other animals. If anyone got the idea that hanging me upside down or otherwise depriving me of my freedom, starting to cut my throat and letting me bleed to death while in a fixed position, I would feel myself extremely vulnerable, defenseless, feel pain, become stressed and so forth, while life literally drains out of me. Then in any case a bolt in my head would be much more humane. Is there any independent (of especially religion) research that shows that Jewish ritual slaughter does not create unnecessary suffering for animals while they bleed to death? dnm (d | b) March 30, 2011, at. 20:54 (CEST) [the translation of this quote is based on the one RPSM made on your talk page with a few minor differences]
Because similar stories have been sent by mail to those who has publicly spoken in favor of jewish slaughter in Sweden, worded like: "How would you like to die like... etc" as anonymous letters, and i have seen one such [letter] reported to the police. The one i saw was admittedly rougher and more brutal and was reported to the police. The core question is if you can justify eating animals, especially mammals. You are not supposed to discuss the major philosophical questions on discusson pages. Because dnm requested research i brought forth the statement of professor Sahlstedt from 1925. It's basic knowledge on this subject.
As the article stands, it's incorrect. There is nothing in jewish sources about having to cut carotid arteries, and another error that's found it's way in to the veterinary litterature is that the animal has to bleed out in another manner in jewish slaughter than in other forms of slaughter. There are big misconceptions on a basic level, wich are disseminated and wich are untrue. RPSM 14 april 2011 kl. 15.39 (CEST)"
Niklas R Talkpage 13:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
No intention here to be patronising or imperialistic - just trying to help out a user I encountered here... and the project. I couldn't navigate your pages, or I'd happily have discussed it there. The block seemed rather baffling, you've explained it now. Is it your intention to just leave him blocked forever, regardless? -- Dweller ( talk) 17:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
PS I've never been accused of imperialism before. The Dweller Empire sounds rubbish. Although I wouldn't mind a few slaves. -- Dweller ( talk) 18:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I had no intention of criticising the way you guys do things and re-reading what I wrote, I think it does appear that I did. I apologise for that. As I say, it wasn't intended. I've posted to RPSM that the best way forward is for him/her to learn to moderate their ways here. I'll try to help them, if they wish to be helped (which is always the key). You've all been very generous with your time and explanations, for which I thank you. And it can't be easy explaining detail like this in a second or third language. I hope RPSM comes back to you in a few months with evidence of being a model Wikipedian and you then have an opportunity to reconsider. -- Dweller ( talk) 19:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I can now edit my own talk page on Swedish wikipedia. I could not do this before and so have not until now done more that make a very weak and symbolic protest about my block there because I could not edit anything whatsoever there until I tried today. RPSM ( talk) 09:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I am now blocked from editing anything on Swedish Wikipedia including my own talk page there. A correction. I edited practically the entire Swedish article Kashruth. I edited an article Keneidelech there (recipe) as well as Posek, but someone else took the credit. I did not start out with the idea of focusing on articles of Jewish interest, but noticed there was a lot of bias and no references. I also initiated and edited the article DIALREL (EU project on religious slaughter. The story is that a couple of serious academics encouraged me to research the literature on the subject of Religious Slaughter and controverises in Scandinavia (banned in Switzerland, Norway and Sweden). I made a serious project of it ordering rare books that are not in any libraries in Sweden, where I am.
My problem is trying to write articles about the subject of Religous Slaughter bans that are POV free, when a fair number of the most authoritative sources are scathing and sceptical as to how the Swedish authorities have handled this matter (Temple Grandin, Professor of Food Science: Regensberg, and a pair of Swedish ethnologists: Karlsson and Svanberg). I have not had any serious discussions with Swedish editors who have taken the trouble to read the sources. My impression is that there is an overwhelming conviction in Sweden based on hearsay and politics. This is Temple Grandin's comment (acknowleged world expert) that basing scientific work on politics results in bad science. My views on this matter are based on the current research which seems to be divided depending on if you are American or Scandinavian or from a muslim country. I am trying to present the facts as they exist in the sources and it is an uphill struggle.
There are two differences between English Wikipedia and Swedish Wikipedia. On the Swedish version you are not permitted to erase anything on your home page. ii) There is no rule not to discuss the subject matter. So every now and then a political discussion is initiated eg "I would prefer to die from a steel bolt through the head" (and even worse that I will not repeat) which is not the level of discussion I am interested in.
I also edited Blood Libel in Swedish, but my entire contribution was erased. I have also edited articles on old photographic processs. I started the Swedish article on Cyber Bullying (Data Mobbning)
I started editing an article called Bans on Ritual Slaughter that changed its name ot Legal Aspects of Religous Slaghter. I was advised to edit in another language by an editor so have switched between the two languages. I am interested in the controversy as such, as I have a background in Sociolinguistics that covers how people from different cultures misunderstand each other. RPSM ( talk) 11:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Wvs's initial warning to me (ref later) to desist from editing the article was echoed by admin Sjö and I reacted angrily, as I felt then and still do now, that if I am serious about researching the literature, I have as just as much right as anyone else to edit if I have something to contribute. I snapped back at Sjö that I was not one of his privates (a remark which I now regret. Law reported to me that Sjö had been tremendously upset at this and had decided to back out of editing the Skäktning (Religious Slaughter) article.
The fact that administrator Sjö himself initiated a complaint to block me after having been directly involved in a clash that both of us ought to have worked out together between us indicate that the moves to block are not free from personal vendettas where the administrators themselsves are personally involved. In a court of law, the personal interest would disqualify them from acting plaintiff, judge and jury all at once. RPSM ( talk) 09:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Status now is that I am permanently blocked on Swedish Wikipedia and can edit nothing, not even my talk page there. I was requested by Sjö to fix a reference there in the Skäktning article, and of course cannot do it. (A reference to Professor Sjöstedt's report that Jewish slaughter is humane and not cruel from 1925. (Veterinärhögskolan)
Also the Shechita article I wrote needs a core section (the terms used for knife technique). The Swedish article I wrote on the Daguerreotype needs some core information (What is the chemical composition of the image?)
I was going to entirely rewrite the Skäktning article (Relgious Slaghter), now I have gathered references and read them, but instead I could use it for course credit somewhere or perhaps publish something myself. RPSM ( talk) 09:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The Hebrew spelling in the Swedish and Dutch articles has an error in the Hebrew.
The spelling of the word "hallelujah" in the English is not pointed and is correct.
The Swedish and Dutch articles have the vowel points inserted and there is an error.
Under the lamed there is a hiriq which is one single dot pronounced i. This is wrong.
The correct pointing is a shva under the lamed. (neutral vowel)
I can change the Dutch article, but not the Swedish one, as I am permanently blocked from editing there.
What to do? RPSM ( talk) 09:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
In the article "Sabbaten", the following sentence appears as the final sentence: Det finns dock inga historiska bevis för att lagarna om sabbatsår, jubelår och friår någonsin har efterlevs. My transation: "There is, however, no historical evidence that the laws on Schmitta (sabattical year), jubilee year, or sabbatical year have ever been followed." Firstly, the last mentioned "friår" is secular, and means taking a year off from eg a University teaching tenure. The biblical sabbatical year shmitta means every seventh year, the land (in Israel) must lie fallow (I träda). Domestic ans wild animals are allowed to eat anything that grows. The owner may eat for private consumption but may not put it on the market (fruit, grapes etc). Wine may not contain grapes harvested in these years. So it is very much indeed observed today by observant Jews. Extra Rabbinical laws to deal with those who were not punctillious in their observance are discussed in th English article. That Swedish WP can be so sloppy in cases such as this, frankly makes it an unreliable source. RPSM ( talk) 09:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)