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18:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Please note that we only include domestic league games in the infobox - so no Cup or Continental matches etc. Please also ensure that, when you update the stats, you also update the date, using ~~~~~. If you have any questions, please ask. Giant Snowman 20:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nialarfatem. I see you haven't been here that long but you're already a prolific editor. Good going!
An important tip if I may:
Use the template at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players as a guide and avoid straying from it. It has evolved through discussion between editors of football articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. For example, at Ludwig Augustinsson ( link) you added "and the" and "the" above the "List of international goals". If you're convinced that this is better wording, it would be good to get consensus for it. Otherwise, you will find other editors reverting these kinds of changes which can result in a pointless back and forth. Discussion usually happens at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players for questions relating to the template or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football.
Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
GiantSnowman. I noticed that you recently removed content from
Jannik Vestergaard without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thanks.
Giant
Snowman
21:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Please, consider giving your opinion here: /info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_footballers_with_500_or_more_goals#Obfuscating_data
Thank you. LoorNabs ( talk) 14:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The article as written says: "When reporting the statistics of Messi, Barcelona argued that because Bican and Pelé, as well as Erwin Helmchen and Abe Lenstra among others, scored the majority of their goals in leagues which were not played at a national level, their tallies should be questioned and potentially not counted".
@ ItsKesha: Hello! Our recent history has shown I am not the one between us who is "fixated" with WP:NOR, and since you start saying things like "therefore this…" and "in conclusion,…" it's clearly something implied (hence OR) and not stated directly. However, personally I am not against reaching to conclusions of any type, as long as these make statistical sense, and I would urge people to even compose statistical graphs, as I see things from a statistical point of view, not a WP's point of view, even though WP does not agree, so I have removed the clarification template. Also, I must say I appreciate the work you are doing in this list, but please take my advice to separate the statistical sources (IFFHS and RSSSF), along with FIFA (as the highest governing body of football, not as a statistical source, so what they recognize and what they don't recognize is valid and important), from the rest (could be done if using two different sections) into consideration, because the rest are easily questionable for various reasons. For instance, speaking of what the site of Barcelona claims, it's obviously not a reliable source, since there are interests involved: they will easily claim Messi has the record (whatever that is, more league goals, more goals with one club et c.) because, as you very well said and concluded from most of the sources you provided in the article, many of the numbers of older players are questionable, even though for many of them there are many books and sources for the claims (RSSSF and IFFHS have proofs for what they claim and, in case they make mistakes, they do correct them in their next updates, so we have no reason to question them, that's why the importance is on them, not on other media outlets, if statistical organizations are included in the group of media outlets), same thing, by the way, will do São Paulo for Pelé, et c., either for glory and/or pride and/or profit, and for the same reasons what footballers claim is also irrelevant (CR7, Pelé, Romário, et c.), because there are conflicts of interest and the majority of them is not statisticians or at least people with some statistical background. I will soon, i.e. as soon as I get time, add some more explanatory content on the matter that takes place in the talk page of the article (for instance, why there should be two separate lists and not one, where I must note I recall asking you kindly twice to return to the previous format, and it must be highlighted I never reverted it to a two-lists format, but 7 (!) other people did, so that must mean something), content that I hope will clarify and be of help. Cheers! Nialarfatem ( talk) 22:36, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is
Violation of policy on courtesy vanishing. Thank you.
GeneralNotability (
talk)
17:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Nialarfatem, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on
talk pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, please see our
help pages, and if you can't find what you are looking for there, please feel free to ask me on
my talk page or place {{Help me}}
on this page and someone will drop by to help. Again, welcome!
Rosiestep (
talk)
18:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Please note that we only include domestic league games in the infobox - so no Cup or Continental matches etc. Please also ensure that, when you update the stats, you also update the date, using ~~~~~. If you have any questions, please ask. Giant Snowman 20:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nialarfatem. I see you haven't been here that long but you're already a prolific editor. Good going!
An important tip if I may:
Use the template at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players as a guide and avoid straying from it. It has evolved through discussion between editors of football articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. For example, at Ludwig Augustinsson ( link) you added "and the" and "the" above the "List of international goals". If you're convinced that this is better wording, it would be good to get consensus for it. Otherwise, you will find other editors reverting these kinds of changes which can result in a pointless back and forth. Discussion usually happens at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players for questions relating to the template or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football.
Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
GiantSnowman. I noticed that you recently removed content from
Jannik Vestergaard without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thanks.
Giant
Snowman
21:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Please, consider giving your opinion here: /info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_footballers_with_500_or_more_goals#Obfuscating_data
Thank you. LoorNabs ( talk) 14:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The article as written says: "When reporting the statistics of Messi, Barcelona argued that because Bican and Pelé, as well as Erwin Helmchen and Abe Lenstra among others, scored the majority of their goals in leagues which were not played at a national level, their tallies should be questioned and potentially not counted".
@ ItsKesha: Hello! Our recent history has shown I am not the one between us who is "fixated" with WP:NOR, and since you start saying things like "therefore this…" and "in conclusion,…" it's clearly something implied (hence OR) and not stated directly. However, personally I am not against reaching to conclusions of any type, as long as these make statistical sense, and I would urge people to even compose statistical graphs, as I see things from a statistical point of view, not a WP's point of view, even though WP does not agree, so I have removed the clarification template. Also, I must say I appreciate the work you are doing in this list, but please take my advice to separate the statistical sources (IFFHS and RSSSF), along with FIFA (as the highest governing body of football, not as a statistical source, so what they recognize and what they don't recognize is valid and important), from the rest (could be done if using two different sections) into consideration, because the rest are easily questionable for various reasons. For instance, speaking of what the site of Barcelona claims, it's obviously not a reliable source, since there are interests involved: they will easily claim Messi has the record (whatever that is, more league goals, more goals with one club et c.) because, as you very well said and concluded from most of the sources you provided in the article, many of the numbers of older players are questionable, even though for many of them there are many books and sources for the claims (RSSSF and IFFHS have proofs for what they claim and, in case they make mistakes, they do correct them in their next updates, so we have no reason to question them, that's why the importance is on them, not on other media outlets, if statistical organizations are included in the group of media outlets), same thing, by the way, will do São Paulo for Pelé, et c., either for glory and/or pride and/or profit, and for the same reasons what footballers claim is also irrelevant (CR7, Pelé, Romário, et c.), because there are conflicts of interest and the majority of them is not statisticians or at least people with some statistical background. I will soon, i.e. as soon as I get time, add some more explanatory content on the matter that takes place in the talk page of the article (for instance, why there should be two separate lists and not one, where I must note I recall asking you kindly twice to return to the previous format, and it must be highlighted I never reverted it to a two-lists format, but 7 (!) other people did, so that must mean something), content that I hope will clarify and be of help. Cheers! Nialarfatem ( talk) 22:36, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is
Violation of policy on courtesy vanishing. Thank you.
GeneralNotability (
talk)
17:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)