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Hi, I re-added a see also to the Bob Turner (politician) article that you removed. [1] with the explanatory edit summary: "rmv potentially non-NPOV see also link; if a source exists to support this link, it ought to be worked into the prose of the article, pre WP:BLP"
I hold the opposite view from the one you state. It seems pretty plain to me that See Also sections are by definition for links not discussed in the article. In fact, the MOS says See also contains "internal links (wikilinks) to related Wikipedia articles... Links already integrated into the body of the text are generally not repeated in a "See also" section".
The article is related as it explains the format or type of show Turner worked on in his most notable position - principally the Springer show. The Springer show is tabloid talk, and is linked to the wiki article on tabloid talk. Some of the other shows Turner was involved with can also be classed as tabloid talk such as the Sally Jesse Raphael Show. Putting the link in SA aids the reader who wants to know more about the type of show Turner was in charge of in his most notable position. To work the term into the article itself, is arguably undue emphasis that some would call a violation of BLP policy.
If you'd like to discuss this further, we probably should more the discussion over to the article page - I will check there and here for any response. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 09:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
In February 2011, you expressed interest in space debris, in a discussion now archived at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Environment/Archive 3#The (outer) Space Environment. According to
NASA: Satellite fell in south Pacific, not Canada - TribToday.com - News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - Tribune Chronicle - Warren, OH, Harvard University astrophysicist Jonathan McDowell tracks man-made space objects. You may be interested in
Jonathan McDowell's Home Page. There is also
Jonathan's Space Report.
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Wavelength (
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19:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello my name is Afshin, I am the original creator of a page called: SANTUR
I own a website called www.santur.com
My father is considered the Grand Master of the Santur and was a professor at UCLA for over 25 years and still continues to lecture there. So that's where I'm getting most of my information from.
He never wrote a book for me to use as a citation. but if you look at his website bio, he is the authority on the subject. So how do I use him as a citation??
I've been babysitting this page for many years now. Unfortunately I'm not good at editing and writing on Wikipedia. I pulled it off many years ago with the help of Wiki editors who volunteered their help. The page has been attacked many times by various different people. First by Indian Santoor players and I helped Shivkumar Sharma a master of the Indian Santoor to have his own page and they did so. Recently I noticed the Arab invasion in this page. The Santur is a PERSIAN instrument. There is a big difference between Persians and Arabs. Although we use the same alphabet, we can't read each other's language. Our culture is similar in many ways but very different in art, music & overall culture.
Someone put a list of Iraqi Santur players. I copied the list and emailed it to Professor Ann Lucas at UCLA and she instructed me to remove it immediately. She said it was a joke and someone did that to make fun our page. There are a couple of names on there that are real (with links) that's fine. But the other names are NOT Real people. Many of them have the same last, middle or first names if you look closer.
I spent til 3am working with my father who is a scholar and master of the Santur. We edited the page and I am searching for someone to hire to verify and certify my edits. There's a picture of an Arabic Santur player and he's playing a PERSIAN 12 bridge Santur, not Iraqi Santur. The information on the Iraqi Music is INCORRECT. Iraq needs it's own page. It's pretty lame to mix the two. Ironically Iraq's Santur comes from Iran. Perhaps they can make their own page calling it: Santur in Iraq or Iraqi Santur. I don't understand why there needs to be an Arabic translation for Persian words on there. Chinese has a Yanqin and there's no Chinese translation for our Persian words, nor are there Greek, etc...
There are false facts about the origin and the meaning of the word Santur. There is NO proof of where the name came from. It does NOT mean "Mountain Sound, nor does it mean 100 Strings/Strains.
So it's really frustrating after doing so much work to get my work deleted like that. I'm not vandalizing the page. I created the page. originally I quoted my father's work on there and Wikipedia said I can't use text from my website. So I re-wrote it years ago. Now every time I don't check it for a while, someone comes on there and starts manipulating the facts and now making fun of our page by adding fake names to Iraqi section etc....
And then tonight I did minor edits: like using 3 fingers to hold the Mezrabs (mallets). I play Santur and every Santur player in the world uses THREE fingers: Thumb, Index & Middle.
I removed the UPSIDE down nasty picture of a Santur placed on a dirty carpet. With a picture of a Santur I own and uploaded.
Also: I moved the Indian & Greek Santur players UNDER the Iranian Santur players. Santur is a Persian/Iranian instrument. So do don't you think the Iranian Santur players should be listed first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santurman ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
AFTER DOING ALL MY EDITS I WENT TO THE HISTORY AND DIDN'T NOTICE THIS BEFORE DOING MY EDITS....THAT SOMEONE FROM WIKIPEDIA PUT A THREAT ON THERE THAT MY EDITS ARE CHILDISH AND THAT I COULD GET BANNED.
DAMM. I CAN'T BELIEVE I CAN GET BANNED FOR TRYING TO CORRECT THE INCORRECT DATA.
Do you have someone I can hire to help me for once fix this page and correct the facts?
I started reading the "How to Edit" pages you have on your site. I'm starting to understand it a little.
I won't make anymore changes until I learn or hire someone to do it the right way.
BELOW IS THE MAJOR EDIT I MADE WITH THE DIRECTION OF MY FATHER. AGAIN THIS IS THE CORRECT DESCRIPTION OF THE SANTUR. EXAMPLE: THE SANTUR HAS 24 UNIQUE NOTES NOT 23, IT IS PLAYED WITH 3 FINGERS NOT 2, THERE IS NO COMBINATION OF BRASS & COPPER STRINGS. IT'S EITHER BRASS OR COPPER. THE ORIGIN & DEFINITION OF THE NAME HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN. THE WORD SANTUR IS JUST A NAME THAT APPEARS IN ANCIENT PERSIAN POETRY *(AND THE DEFINITION IN THE INDIAN SANTOOR PAGE IS ALSO WRONG AND THEY JUST MADE UP THEIR OWN DEFINITION.
THERE IS A PAGE ON WIKIPEDIA ON DASTGAH'S & THE PERSIAN RADIF: SO THAT IS A FACT IN THIS WEBSITE & HUNDREDS OF BOOKS AND WEBSITES, SANTUR'S ARE MADE OF WALNUT OR MAHOGANY, NOT EXOTIC WOODS, THE PICTURES DEPICTED IN THIS PAGE ARE NOT ALL SANTURS, SOME OF THEM ARE ANCIENT HARPS, THE IRAQI SANTUR PLAYER IS PLAYING A PERSIAN 12 BRIDGE SANTUR, THE "DAMA" ARE ARABIC BRIDGES THAT SLIDE AND HAVE HANDLES AND ARE NOTHING LIKE THE PERSIAN KHARAK'S AND DAMA IS NOT A TRANSLATION FOR THE WORD KHARAK, AND THE IRAQI SANTUR IS NOT CHROMATIC. AND THE LIST GOES ON.... BELOW IS THE CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE SANTUR:
The santur (also santūr, santour, santoor ) ( Persian: سنتور) is a Persian hammered dulcimer. It is a trapezoid-shaped box often made of walnut wood. The mallets (Mezrabs) are feather-weight and are held by the thumb, index and middle fingers. The 72 string Persian santur has two sets of bridges, providing a range of approximately three octaves. The right-hand strings are made of a copper or brass strings, while the left-hand strings are made of steel. Two rows of 9 bridges called "kharak" (total of 18 kharaks) divide the santur into three octaves. Over each bridge crosses four strings spanning horizontally across the right and left side of the instrument. There are three sections of nine pitches: each for the bass, middle and higher octave called Poshte Kharak (behind the left bridges) comprising 27 bridges all together. The top "F" note is repeated 3 times, creating a total of 24 separate tones in the Santur. The Persian santur is primarily tuned to a variety of different diatonic scales utilizing 1/4 tones (semi-tones) which are designated into 12 Dastgah's (modes) of Persian classical music. These 12 Dastgah's are the repertory of Persian classical music known as the Radif.
Similar forms of the santur have been present in neighboring cultures like India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Armenia, Turkey, Iraq and Greece. The Indian santoor is wider, more rectangular and has more strings. Its corresponding mallets are also held differently played with a different technique. The Chinese yangqin and the Greek santouri also derived from the santur. The eastern Europe version of the santur called the cimballum which is much larger and chromatic is used as an accompanying instrument in gypsy music.
please help.
thanks,
Afshin
Santurman ( talk) 22:18, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi N2e, this is an old, and low-priority edit, but one that's puzzled me a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Orbital_inclination&diff=next&oldid=303404722 "In particular, for the Earth, the obliquity of the ecliptic is the angle between the plane of the ecliptic and the equator. citation needed" As far as I can tell, the statement tagged as CN is simply a standard definition of the term. What would be the WP proper way to cite an expression understood to be a "common definition" within its field? Online dictionaries restate the term in a few different ways: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/obliquity+of+the+ecliptic . Would it be better to cite a paper dictionary? Or Wiktionary? Or am I thinking about this in the wrong way? -- Raduga ( talk) 18:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello. It is entirely unclear why you added maintenance tags to Children of Men, so I have reverted your changes. Please use the talk page or explain here. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 04:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
==Tad Confused. Hey N2e, I'm just contacting you because I'm slightly confused. I just received a notification informing me that my edit on crime in Venezuela was 'nonconstructive'. However, I don't quite understand how editing out 'lol' and the likes in a sentence referring to the homicide rate of Caracas is nonconstructive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.3.20 ( talk) 19:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much, wouldn't ever want to be accused of such idiocy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.3.20 ( talk) 00:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The edit I made was a correction of the proper dash and year format when showing a span of years. However, I inadvertantly transposed "1692" to "1962" in my correction. Regarding your warning template added to my talk page, you should familiarize yourself with WP:DTTR. Sottolacqua ( talk) 19:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello N2e, last week I came online and found the Santur page destroyed by User: Iraqisantur so I kept reverting the page back to the original that I spent 2 weeks editing, citing and making historically correct. I submitted a complaint to Wikipedia for constant vandalizing. Finally someone stepped in and put a stop to the nonsense. I noticed she created a page called Iraqi Santur. Which you were on and you added -citation needed- to various parts of the page and so did other users. She just deleted everything you guys did and doesn't feel she needs to cite real references. I don't care about the Iraqi Santur page, I just want to make sure she doesn't come back onto the Santur page and start deleting what ever she doesn't like. There's a conference in Philadelphia next month on Ethnomusicology and my father and I are attending. So the professors of music I've been working with to update the Santur page are going to be there and my father is giving a lecture on the Santur, so I want to make sure that this page doesn't get vandalized again while we're there. Any way to lock it up so no one can do that??
Santurman ( talk) 07:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Lbkeane ( talk) 18:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
N2e, thank you for considering our request and being honest with your time availability. Lbkeane ( talk) 16:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Your bismuth cite request is a little odd, unless there's something you don't believe. The normal citation rate is somewhere between at least one per section, and usually more than one per paragraph is too much. Given that the entire section on bismuth reuse is sourced (twice) from that one 2000 report, I suspect that the two statements you cited in that one paragraph are, as well. No, I didn't put them in, but it's a pretty reasonable assumption. Is there something about these that you don't believe? The pearlescent look from bismuth oxides is those same odd opalescent oxides you see on the metal surface. I can imagine nothing else looks quite like it. S B H arris 02:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Bismuth can also be available sustainably from greater efficiency of use or substitution, most likely stimulated by a rising price.{{ cn}}
It would be more difficult to find an alternative to bismuth oxychloride in cosmetics to give the pearlescent effect.{{ cn}}
for your welcome, for the picture i think its a ula one , but i do not have more info, great contribution on the depot article ! -- Beaucouplusneutre ( talk) 15:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey...I see some edits were made by you on the Iraqi santur mainly questioning and asking for further citations. How come, if i may, you have not done the same thing on the santur page? Is it too much of a source when it is a book that is being cited rather than a fake website calling itself an academy of persian music? since when do we take any website claim that is not based on a researched fact and backed by an ISBN'ed book? This is called favouritism and should not be allowed by wikipedia editors, both official and self-proclaimed. If others need to be involved, then I will make sure it happens for pages to be treated equally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iraqisantur ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
We've gone back and and forth a couple times on whether the statement that a catenary bridge follows a catenary curve should be included in the catenary article. It seems to be that there is insufficient reason to delete the statement since WP:V only specifies that statements which are "challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed". To me the statement is obvious and is not likely to challenged, and so should not be removed since it is encyclopedic and relevant to the subject. I have not removed the cite needed tag though since a reference would be nice to have to bring the article to GA standard. Do you have a reason to challenge the truth of the statement? If so then I should point out that it is repeated several times in Simple suspension bridge. In any case, without the statement the section is only about parabolas and bridges and has little to do with the catenary, so I've commented it out until the issue can be resolved.-- RDBury ( talk) 11:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
G W … 20:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Wikipedia Ambassador Project here. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Thank you very much for your comments on International Space University article. The article is now updated with a lot of information. We welcome any comments/suggestions you may have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceUniversity ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey N2e, How are you? Hope you got stuffed lol :) like I did.
So I noticed that you want me to Verify my dad's "Notable Performances" on the page: Manoochehr Sadeghi
I have a press book that I turned into a PDF file. I could put it on my Santur.com website. and then can I reference that as a citation?
The Press book has a copy of the original brochures that were given to the audience at each one of those performances.
My dad saved them. Some of his performances are very old and not even referenced online.
So that's the only verifiable proof that I have that he did perform those concerts.
let me know the best way to verify so I do it right.
thanks,
Max
Santurman ( talk) 05:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I know you are trying to be constructive, but I found some of your edits is the last few minutes not helpful. If an archived url doesn't work, click on the original which also highlighted in the citation. I reverted your last edit simply because it was causing and edit conflict with my corrections. Anyway, I'll communicate with you in a few more minutes and see if I can correct some of the points that you are making, and hopefully we are all satisfied.-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 02:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
After some time to think about the Falcon 5 article, I came the conclusion that it was not necessary, and think it should be merged, the real question in my mind is where to merge it? I just realized that the Falcon (rocket family) is a rather clumsy article and just wasted some time fixing part of it. Considering every current and in development booster is a Falcon 9 derivative — with the exception of Grasshopper and Falcon 1 — should we not merge most of the "rocket family" into that article, as that seems to be where the Falcon 5, the Heavy, and the Stratolaunch (for lack of a better name), belong? I think both the Falcon 5 and Falcon (rocket family) articles should be deleted and merged into the Falcon 9 article, what do you think?-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 20:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the help with the stratolaunch systems page and everything else you do to help the space related articles along the way. MathewDill ( talk) 17:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC) |
Hi there folks, just a quick enquiry as to whether or not anyone's actually using Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/Space stations working group? If we're still planning on running it as intended, can I suggest people pay a bit more attention to it, or, if not, it be merged back into the main project? Cheers, SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream ( talk) 09:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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I popped a few refs into the CSS article, let me know if they are ok, or if you'd like any changes, feel free to do it yourself too. Penyulap talk 21:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Greetings - would you be interested in serving as an ambassador for my Industrial Psychology class at Ball State University this semester? I am planning to put the students into groups of 3 or 4 to collaborate on editing an existing but relatively weak article relevant to the course content. I'll be happy to provide any more information, discuss specifics, etc. I'll watch your talk page for a reply. Thanks! Mjtagler ( talk) 18:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I have created Template:Convert/Mach, as you requested long, long ago, in a talk-page far, far away... Please discuss any related changes there, at Template_talk:Convert. Examples:
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Thank you for taking time to explain the altitude and temperature issues for Mach number. - Wikid77 ( talk) 18:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on some of these automotive articles that seem to be edited more by vandals, than actual editors. I have put some work into that Cummins B series page obviously. Do expect me to keep in contact when I have issues with other pages that are hard to control. Automotive editors seem rare from what I see. -- Dana60Cummins ( talk) 15:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing,
COTS Demo Flight 3, has been proposed for a
merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going
here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
Abebenjoe (
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Dear N2e: I am a professor at Cornell University, teaching in Fall 2012 a course on Online Communities. I would like to involve the students in a project in which they write or improve Wikipedia articles. I did it in Fall 2011 but success was limited, possibly because I did not use Online Ambassadors and my own knowledge in editing Wikipedia articles is limited. Your interests might align well with the concepts of my class. Please let me know if this might work for you to help my students. Thanks! LeshedInstructor ( talk) 18:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e. The pictures on page 3, 4 & 14 in http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy08osti/41958.pdf should be freely redistributable because the paper is government work. I think they would be suitable for Floating wind turbine. You can harvest them with PDF Image Extraction Wizard. TGCP ( talk) 22:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e. I had found the incorrect info about Merlin 1D rocket engine here. Please, see my comments in talks.
Shpankov ( talk) 18:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
-- WingtipvorteX (talk) ∅ 02:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, a documentary that may interest you Something Ventured.BTW i wonder if the Rahn curve have other names ?.-- Beaucouplusneutre ( talk) 18:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
-- W. D. Graham 20:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
The Santur page needs love again. I came on tonight and someone posted a bunch of junk on there & left me a message not to revert & Occupy It's like an Arab-Persian war on here. Sad to say. Arabic people love eliminating Persian history & making Persian culture their own.
I was born in Los Angeles and don't look at music as a cultural war. It's supposed to be about art not arguing over who invented what and when.... Any ways, can you help me & send a message to User: 89.16.134.159 And let them know what the rules are? Look at the garbage edit they did. Claiming Encyclopedia Brittanica as a reverence. (Which doesn't exist) And then removed "Characteristics" and replaced it with Etymology: the study of the origin and history or words :) lol
I reverted back to the oringal, but I have a feeling this is gonna be another two weeks of going back and forth
Please help!!!!!
Thanks,
Santurman ( talk) 09:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
What was the article I didn't properly source? I'm usually good about providing references, but I've been known to space things. Tell me what article it was, and I'll fix it and properly source it. Thanks for the catch! - Nate - Nate Montes 00:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flybywire e2c ( talk • contribs)
Thanks! You're awesome! A made a minor edit to add in a Wikipedia link to the CCiCap program. - Nate Montes 03:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Server jammed. If you can copy-paste the new article please go ahead!!! BatteryIncluded ( talk) 05:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Cyber-hell at my end. I'm neutralized pretty much for a while. Please go ahead with whatever you have to do. Cheers, BatteryIncluded ( talk) 05:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
WOW!!!! It took me a while to figure what happened there because I do not remember doing those edits. I was brousing a total of 6 revisions done by an AP which cought my attention because that editor did 6 sequential "undo" of your edits. When i saw the 'spinning keeps the forward momentum' portion I blew a fuse and I don't remember what buttons I pressed. I think it was simply "undo", thing is I forgot I was looking at intermediate revisions and messed up the corrections that you and other editors had already done to that AP user. Later I broused the history again and saw other incongruencies that I did not understand and tried to fix them, and now I know is because of the "undo" I did of an old revision. I apologize to you and will to everyone else. Yes, we are in the same "page" as to the the difference between MSL and Curiosity content. I was tired and I did not pay attention to what I did. I had a good night sleep and I hope I will be a useful editor again. CHeers, BatteryIncluded ( talk) 15:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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Here is an aknowledgement to your dedication and diligence while developing and successfuly managing the two most edited articles in Wikipedia for 2 days in a row: Mars Science Laboratory and Curiosity rover. Thankyou! BatteryIncluded ( talk) 16:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC) |
Hey. I created a stub-article on the rover's CheMin, but the Wikisearch for " chemin" directs to a French locality. Could you please help me with the redirect and necessary disambiguation? I don't know how to begin to address that. Thanks. BatteryIncluded ( talk) 17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Done—check it out.
Chemin is now a diambig page, and I moved the old Chemin page to
Chemin (France), and
CheMin works too.
N2e (
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19:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
First, let me state that I agree with you completely that Wikipedia should be solidly referenced.
However, I disagree on the best action when a dubious statement is found. Clearly there are many possible responses - take the factoid out, add a citation needed tag, try to find the reference, and so on. Each takes a different amount of work, and provides a different experience for the reader. Adding citation needed is clearly very fast for the editor, but it may induce doubt in the reader who may think this means "I'm not sure that's true". This is especially true for a casual reader who may not think or know about the difference between "citation needed" and "dubious" or other flags. On the other hand, adding a reference is clearly the best result from the reader's perspective, but from the editor's view it sometimes take longer - possible much longer if the reference is hard to track down.
I think a reasonable compromise is to do exactly one google search for the claim made in the article. If the right reference pops up, add it, otherwise add the citation needed. For example, in the case of the Deep Space 1, the very first google search I tried, "Deep Space 1 mission objectives" found many references, almost all of them backing the claim made in the article. I added what I felt was the best of them.
Since most articles are read many times for each time they are edited, I think this provides a better balance between verifiability and a good experience for the reader. You mileage, or course, may vary... LouScheffer ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e! Are you interested in being the Online Ambassador for any classes this term? We've got a few classes that are looking for ambassador right now ( Canada, US), so if you're up for helping any, please do! Let me know if you have any questions, or if you'd like me to pick a course for you.-- Sage Ross (WMF) ( talk) 18:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
hi
Since the fixing of the changes bot, I have been trudging through the changes and trying to sort them out.
On 6 August you made an edit ( [2]) removing the Robotics project banner from the talk page. I read the edit summary you left, which led me to think that you felt that the whole was not robotic and only the rover was within the project scope?
I have replaced the banner on the MSL page, though you may notice I have reduced the importance from high to mid, as it not current. Thanks Chaosdruid ( talk) 17:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Robotics! Our goals are to standardize the structure and content of all Robotics articles, improve Wikipedia's coverage of these articles (hopefully propelling them to featured article status), and serve as the central resource for all discussions and information related to Robotics on Wikipedia.
A few features that you might find helpful:
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask one of the project participants or post a question on the talk page. We'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around!
Apologies for not getting this to you earlier :¬) Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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and another.
and another one.
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Hello, me again. Yes I know there has been thorough discussion about citations, but instead of removing an entry could you somehow extend the life to give editors, (mostly just me) a chance to catch up. I was probably responsible for a lot of them and though verifiable, their origins are forgotten. It is extremely frustrating to look for an entry to find it has been deleted. Let us work together on this. instead of deletion refresh the tag or a hatnote at the top of each page explaining the rationale of the citation tags. When all is said and done the list is primarily a List of Aircraft,not articles, and is used as a tool to give better articles, so the less it is tampered with the better for Wikipedia. I know what the policies are, but they don't have to be strictly adhered to, particularly for unfinished articles. Petebutt ( talk) 14:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
As of 25 November 2012 [update], CRS SpX-3 is near the top of Wikipedia:Most wanted articles with 105 incomming links. Do you want to go ahead and start it? -Arb. ( talk) 21:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
— Tom Morris ( talk) 15:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks N2e, i will try to keep futures editions to any articles short and backed up with citations Gibbo136 ( talk) 03:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I am currently cleaning up the backlog over at Editor Review and I found this in the backlog. As it is no longer posted on the main page at Editor Review, I was wondering if I should remove it from the backlogs and put it to rest or if I should repost it for community review. I will remove it from the backlogs three days from now if I am not given a response.— cyberpower Offline Happy 2013 22:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Glad to see that at least someone woke up ! It was indeed an experimental probe. Besides, "normal" Zond moonprobes used filmcassettes which fell back to Earth to be recovered by the Sovjets. Zond 3 wasn't equipped with it, since it would just fly-by Mars. There was however, a delay during construction which caused the launchwindow to close before the probe was ready for its journey to the red planet (a short time ago I wrote some articles for Dutch wikipedia about the early Russian space missions. During my research I was lightly horrified by for example Venera 2 on english wiki. Is that really all there is to say about it ?). Kind regards and please continue your work for english wiki (it is not my native language so I hope I don't make too many errors writing this), Maasje ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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For contributions to articles about spacecraft! Happy new year! Fotaun ( talk) 16:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Thank you, very much, for your feedback on what I'm rapidly coming to think of as the "Synchronous Motor Debacle". I very much appreciate someone else chiming in who seems to understand where I'm coming from, and if there's ever a situation where you think my perspective might be helpful, please don't hesitate to contact me. Doniago ( talk) 02:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC) |
I can't decide whether I'm sad or relieved to see that that entire derailed ANI discussion ended up going exactly nowhere (and personally I don't think it's a great practice that ANI threads can be archived without closure). I suppose the important part is ultimately that Synchronous motor did eventually get the attention it needed (or so I guess; I'm disinclined to look at it currently). I'm forced to wonder whether any editors walked away from the whole situation having learned anything though, and it would have been nice if certain editors had been told "No, it's not okay to talk to your fellow editors that way." Sigh. Doniago ( talk) 17:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I re-added a see also to the Bob Turner (politician) article that you removed. [1] with the explanatory edit summary: "rmv potentially non-NPOV see also link; if a source exists to support this link, it ought to be worked into the prose of the article, pre WP:BLP"
I hold the opposite view from the one you state. It seems pretty plain to me that See Also sections are by definition for links not discussed in the article. In fact, the MOS says See also contains "internal links (wikilinks) to related Wikipedia articles... Links already integrated into the body of the text are generally not repeated in a "See also" section".
The article is related as it explains the format or type of show Turner worked on in his most notable position - principally the Springer show. The Springer show is tabloid talk, and is linked to the wiki article on tabloid talk. Some of the other shows Turner was involved with can also be classed as tabloid talk such as the Sally Jesse Raphael Show. Putting the link in SA aids the reader who wants to know more about the type of show Turner was in charge of in his most notable position. To work the term into the article itself, is arguably undue emphasis that some would call a violation of BLP policy.
If you'd like to discuss this further, we probably should more the discussion over to the article page - I will check there and here for any response. -Regards- KeptSouth ( talk) 09:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
In February 2011, you expressed interest in space debris, in a discussion now archived at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Environment/Archive 3#The (outer) Space Environment. According to
NASA: Satellite fell in south Pacific, not Canada - TribToday.com - News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - Tribune Chronicle - Warren, OH, Harvard University astrophysicist Jonathan McDowell tracks man-made space objects. You may be interested in
Jonathan McDowell's Home Page. There is also
Jonathan's Space Report.
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Wavelength (
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19:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello my name is Afshin, I am the original creator of a page called: SANTUR
I own a website called www.santur.com
My father is considered the Grand Master of the Santur and was a professor at UCLA for over 25 years and still continues to lecture there. So that's where I'm getting most of my information from.
He never wrote a book for me to use as a citation. but if you look at his website bio, he is the authority on the subject. So how do I use him as a citation??
I've been babysitting this page for many years now. Unfortunately I'm not good at editing and writing on Wikipedia. I pulled it off many years ago with the help of Wiki editors who volunteered their help. The page has been attacked many times by various different people. First by Indian Santoor players and I helped Shivkumar Sharma a master of the Indian Santoor to have his own page and they did so. Recently I noticed the Arab invasion in this page. The Santur is a PERSIAN instrument. There is a big difference between Persians and Arabs. Although we use the same alphabet, we can't read each other's language. Our culture is similar in many ways but very different in art, music & overall culture.
Someone put a list of Iraqi Santur players. I copied the list and emailed it to Professor Ann Lucas at UCLA and she instructed me to remove it immediately. She said it was a joke and someone did that to make fun our page. There are a couple of names on there that are real (with links) that's fine. But the other names are NOT Real people. Many of them have the same last, middle or first names if you look closer.
I spent til 3am working with my father who is a scholar and master of the Santur. We edited the page and I am searching for someone to hire to verify and certify my edits. There's a picture of an Arabic Santur player and he's playing a PERSIAN 12 bridge Santur, not Iraqi Santur. The information on the Iraqi Music is INCORRECT. Iraq needs it's own page. It's pretty lame to mix the two. Ironically Iraq's Santur comes from Iran. Perhaps they can make their own page calling it: Santur in Iraq or Iraqi Santur. I don't understand why there needs to be an Arabic translation for Persian words on there. Chinese has a Yanqin and there's no Chinese translation for our Persian words, nor are there Greek, etc...
There are false facts about the origin and the meaning of the word Santur. There is NO proof of where the name came from. It does NOT mean "Mountain Sound, nor does it mean 100 Strings/Strains.
So it's really frustrating after doing so much work to get my work deleted like that. I'm not vandalizing the page. I created the page. originally I quoted my father's work on there and Wikipedia said I can't use text from my website. So I re-wrote it years ago. Now every time I don't check it for a while, someone comes on there and starts manipulating the facts and now making fun of our page by adding fake names to Iraqi section etc....
And then tonight I did minor edits: like using 3 fingers to hold the Mezrabs (mallets). I play Santur and every Santur player in the world uses THREE fingers: Thumb, Index & Middle.
I removed the UPSIDE down nasty picture of a Santur placed on a dirty carpet. With a picture of a Santur I own and uploaded.
Also: I moved the Indian & Greek Santur players UNDER the Iranian Santur players. Santur is a Persian/Iranian instrument. So do don't you think the Iranian Santur players should be listed first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santurman ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
AFTER DOING ALL MY EDITS I WENT TO THE HISTORY AND DIDN'T NOTICE THIS BEFORE DOING MY EDITS....THAT SOMEONE FROM WIKIPEDIA PUT A THREAT ON THERE THAT MY EDITS ARE CHILDISH AND THAT I COULD GET BANNED.
DAMM. I CAN'T BELIEVE I CAN GET BANNED FOR TRYING TO CORRECT THE INCORRECT DATA.
Do you have someone I can hire to help me for once fix this page and correct the facts?
I started reading the "How to Edit" pages you have on your site. I'm starting to understand it a little.
I won't make anymore changes until I learn or hire someone to do it the right way.
BELOW IS THE MAJOR EDIT I MADE WITH THE DIRECTION OF MY FATHER. AGAIN THIS IS THE CORRECT DESCRIPTION OF THE SANTUR. EXAMPLE: THE SANTUR HAS 24 UNIQUE NOTES NOT 23, IT IS PLAYED WITH 3 FINGERS NOT 2, THERE IS NO COMBINATION OF BRASS & COPPER STRINGS. IT'S EITHER BRASS OR COPPER. THE ORIGIN & DEFINITION OF THE NAME HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN. THE WORD SANTUR IS JUST A NAME THAT APPEARS IN ANCIENT PERSIAN POETRY *(AND THE DEFINITION IN THE INDIAN SANTOOR PAGE IS ALSO WRONG AND THEY JUST MADE UP THEIR OWN DEFINITION.
THERE IS A PAGE ON WIKIPEDIA ON DASTGAH'S & THE PERSIAN RADIF: SO THAT IS A FACT IN THIS WEBSITE & HUNDREDS OF BOOKS AND WEBSITES, SANTUR'S ARE MADE OF WALNUT OR MAHOGANY, NOT EXOTIC WOODS, THE PICTURES DEPICTED IN THIS PAGE ARE NOT ALL SANTURS, SOME OF THEM ARE ANCIENT HARPS, THE IRAQI SANTUR PLAYER IS PLAYING A PERSIAN 12 BRIDGE SANTUR, THE "DAMA" ARE ARABIC BRIDGES THAT SLIDE AND HAVE HANDLES AND ARE NOTHING LIKE THE PERSIAN KHARAK'S AND DAMA IS NOT A TRANSLATION FOR THE WORD KHARAK, AND THE IRAQI SANTUR IS NOT CHROMATIC. AND THE LIST GOES ON.... BELOW IS THE CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE SANTUR:
The santur (also santūr, santour, santoor ) ( Persian: سنتور) is a Persian hammered dulcimer. It is a trapezoid-shaped box often made of walnut wood. The mallets (Mezrabs) are feather-weight and are held by the thumb, index and middle fingers. The 72 string Persian santur has two sets of bridges, providing a range of approximately three octaves. The right-hand strings are made of a copper or brass strings, while the left-hand strings are made of steel. Two rows of 9 bridges called "kharak" (total of 18 kharaks) divide the santur into three octaves. Over each bridge crosses four strings spanning horizontally across the right and left side of the instrument. There are three sections of nine pitches: each for the bass, middle and higher octave called Poshte Kharak (behind the left bridges) comprising 27 bridges all together. The top "F" note is repeated 3 times, creating a total of 24 separate tones in the Santur. The Persian santur is primarily tuned to a variety of different diatonic scales utilizing 1/4 tones (semi-tones) which are designated into 12 Dastgah's (modes) of Persian classical music. These 12 Dastgah's are the repertory of Persian classical music known as the Radif.
Similar forms of the santur have been present in neighboring cultures like India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Armenia, Turkey, Iraq and Greece. The Indian santoor is wider, more rectangular and has more strings. Its corresponding mallets are also held differently played with a different technique. The Chinese yangqin and the Greek santouri also derived from the santur. The eastern Europe version of the santur called the cimballum which is much larger and chromatic is used as an accompanying instrument in gypsy music.
please help.
thanks,
Afshin
Santurman ( talk) 22:18, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi N2e, this is an old, and low-priority edit, but one that's puzzled me a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Orbital_inclination&diff=next&oldid=303404722 "In particular, for the Earth, the obliquity of the ecliptic is the angle between the plane of the ecliptic and the equator. citation needed" As far as I can tell, the statement tagged as CN is simply a standard definition of the term. What would be the WP proper way to cite an expression understood to be a "common definition" within its field? Online dictionaries restate the term in a few different ways: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/obliquity+of+the+ecliptic . Would it be better to cite a paper dictionary? Or Wiktionary? Or am I thinking about this in the wrong way? -- Raduga ( talk) 18:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello. It is entirely unclear why you added maintenance tags to Children of Men, so I have reverted your changes. Please use the talk page or explain here. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 04:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
==Tad Confused. Hey N2e, I'm just contacting you because I'm slightly confused. I just received a notification informing me that my edit on crime in Venezuela was 'nonconstructive'. However, I don't quite understand how editing out 'lol' and the likes in a sentence referring to the homicide rate of Caracas is nonconstructive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.3.20 ( talk) 19:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much, wouldn't ever want to be accused of such idiocy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.3.20 ( talk) 00:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The edit I made was a correction of the proper dash and year format when showing a span of years. However, I inadvertantly transposed "1692" to "1962" in my correction. Regarding your warning template added to my talk page, you should familiarize yourself with WP:DTTR. Sottolacqua ( talk) 19:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello N2e, last week I came online and found the Santur page destroyed by User: Iraqisantur so I kept reverting the page back to the original that I spent 2 weeks editing, citing and making historically correct. I submitted a complaint to Wikipedia for constant vandalizing. Finally someone stepped in and put a stop to the nonsense. I noticed she created a page called Iraqi Santur. Which you were on and you added -citation needed- to various parts of the page and so did other users. She just deleted everything you guys did and doesn't feel she needs to cite real references. I don't care about the Iraqi Santur page, I just want to make sure she doesn't come back onto the Santur page and start deleting what ever she doesn't like. There's a conference in Philadelphia next month on Ethnomusicology and my father and I are attending. So the professors of music I've been working with to update the Santur page are going to be there and my father is giving a lecture on the Santur, so I want to make sure that this page doesn't get vandalized again while we're there. Any way to lock it up so no one can do that??
Santurman ( talk) 07:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Lbkeane ( talk) 18:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
N2e, thank you for considering our request and being honest with your time availability. Lbkeane ( talk) 16:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Your bismuth cite request is a little odd, unless there's something you don't believe. The normal citation rate is somewhere between at least one per section, and usually more than one per paragraph is too much. Given that the entire section on bismuth reuse is sourced (twice) from that one 2000 report, I suspect that the two statements you cited in that one paragraph are, as well. No, I didn't put them in, but it's a pretty reasonable assumption. Is there something about these that you don't believe? The pearlescent look from bismuth oxides is those same odd opalescent oxides you see on the metal surface. I can imagine nothing else looks quite like it. S B H arris 02:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Bismuth can also be available sustainably from greater efficiency of use or substitution, most likely stimulated by a rising price.{{ cn}}
It would be more difficult to find an alternative to bismuth oxychloride in cosmetics to give the pearlescent effect.{{ cn}}
for your welcome, for the picture i think its a ula one , but i do not have more info, great contribution on the depot article ! -- Beaucouplusneutre ( talk) 15:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey...I see some edits were made by you on the Iraqi santur mainly questioning and asking for further citations. How come, if i may, you have not done the same thing on the santur page? Is it too much of a source when it is a book that is being cited rather than a fake website calling itself an academy of persian music? since when do we take any website claim that is not based on a researched fact and backed by an ISBN'ed book? This is called favouritism and should not be allowed by wikipedia editors, both official and self-proclaimed. If others need to be involved, then I will make sure it happens for pages to be treated equally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iraqisantur ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
We've gone back and and forth a couple times on whether the statement that a catenary bridge follows a catenary curve should be included in the catenary article. It seems to be that there is insufficient reason to delete the statement since WP:V only specifies that statements which are "challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed". To me the statement is obvious and is not likely to challenged, and so should not be removed since it is encyclopedic and relevant to the subject. I have not removed the cite needed tag though since a reference would be nice to have to bring the article to GA standard. Do you have a reason to challenge the truth of the statement? If so then I should point out that it is repeated several times in Simple suspension bridge. In any case, without the statement the section is only about parabolas and bridges and has little to do with the catenary, so I've commented it out until the issue can be resolved.-- RDBury ( talk) 11:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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There is a discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Wikipedia Ambassador Project here. Voceditenore ( talk) 07:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. Thank you very much for your comments on International Space University article. The article is now updated with a lot of information. We welcome any comments/suggestions you may have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceUniversity ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey N2e, How are you? Hope you got stuffed lol :) like I did.
So I noticed that you want me to Verify my dad's "Notable Performances" on the page: Manoochehr Sadeghi
I have a press book that I turned into a PDF file. I could put it on my Santur.com website. and then can I reference that as a citation?
The Press book has a copy of the original brochures that were given to the audience at each one of those performances.
My dad saved them. Some of his performances are very old and not even referenced online.
So that's the only verifiable proof that I have that he did perform those concerts.
let me know the best way to verify so I do it right.
thanks,
Max
Santurman ( talk) 05:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I know you are trying to be constructive, but I found some of your edits is the last few minutes not helpful. If an archived url doesn't work, click on the original which also highlighted in the citation. I reverted your last edit simply because it was causing and edit conflict with my corrections. Anyway, I'll communicate with you in a few more minutes and see if I can correct some of the points that you are making, and hopefully we are all satisfied.-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 02:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
After some time to think about the Falcon 5 article, I came the conclusion that it was not necessary, and think it should be merged, the real question in my mind is where to merge it? I just realized that the Falcon (rocket family) is a rather clumsy article and just wasted some time fixing part of it. Considering every current and in development booster is a Falcon 9 derivative — with the exception of Grasshopper and Falcon 1 — should we not merge most of the "rocket family" into that article, as that seems to be where the Falcon 5, the Heavy, and the Stratolaunch (for lack of a better name), belong? I think both the Falcon 5 and Falcon (rocket family) articles should be deleted and merged into the Falcon 9 article, what do you think?-- Abebenjoe ( talk) 20:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the help with the stratolaunch systems page and everything else you do to help the space related articles along the way. MathewDill ( talk) 17:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC) |
Hi there folks, just a quick enquiry as to whether or not anyone's actually using Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/Space stations working group? If we're still planning on running it as intended, can I suggest people pay a bit more attention to it, or, if not, it be merged back into the main project? Cheers, SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream ( talk) 09:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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I popped a few refs into the CSS article, let me know if they are ok, or if you'd like any changes, feel free to do it yourself too. Penyulap talk 21:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Greetings - would you be interested in serving as an ambassador for my Industrial Psychology class at Ball State University this semester? I am planning to put the students into groups of 3 or 4 to collaborate on editing an existing but relatively weak article relevant to the course content. I'll be happy to provide any more information, discuss specifics, etc. I'll watch your talk page for a reply. Thanks! Mjtagler ( talk) 18:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I have created Template:Convert/Mach, as you requested long, long ago, in a talk-page far, far away... Please discuss any related changes there, at Template_talk:Convert. Examples:
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Thank you for taking time to explain the altitude and temperature issues for Mach number. - Wikid77 ( talk) 18:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on some of these automotive articles that seem to be edited more by vandals, than actual editors. I have put some work into that Cummins B series page obviously. Do expect me to keep in contact when I have issues with other pages that are hard to control. Automotive editors seem rare from what I see. -- Dana60Cummins ( talk) 15:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing,
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Dear N2e: I am a professor at Cornell University, teaching in Fall 2012 a course on Online Communities. I would like to involve the students in a project in which they write or improve Wikipedia articles. I did it in Fall 2011 but success was limited, possibly because I did not use Online Ambassadors and my own knowledge in editing Wikipedia articles is limited. Your interests might align well with the concepts of my class. Please let me know if this might work for you to help my students. Thanks! LeshedInstructor ( talk) 18:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e. The pictures on page 3, 4 & 14 in http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy08osti/41958.pdf should be freely redistributable because the paper is government work. I think they would be suitable for Floating wind turbine. You can harvest them with PDF Image Extraction Wizard. TGCP ( talk) 22:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e. I had found the incorrect info about Merlin 1D rocket engine here. Please, see my comments in talks.
Shpankov ( talk) 18:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
-- WingtipvorteX (talk) ∅ 02:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, a documentary that may interest you Something Ventured.BTW i wonder if the Rahn curve have other names ?.-- Beaucouplusneutre ( talk) 18:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
-- W. D. Graham 20:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
The Santur page needs love again. I came on tonight and someone posted a bunch of junk on there & left me a message not to revert & Occupy It's like an Arab-Persian war on here. Sad to say. Arabic people love eliminating Persian history & making Persian culture their own.
I was born in Los Angeles and don't look at music as a cultural war. It's supposed to be about art not arguing over who invented what and when.... Any ways, can you help me & send a message to User: 89.16.134.159 And let them know what the rules are? Look at the garbage edit they did. Claiming Encyclopedia Brittanica as a reverence. (Which doesn't exist) And then removed "Characteristics" and replaced it with Etymology: the study of the origin and history or words :) lol
I reverted back to the oringal, but I have a feeling this is gonna be another two weeks of going back and forth
Please help!!!!!
Thanks,
Santurman ( talk) 09:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
What was the article I didn't properly source? I'm usually good about providing references, but I've been known to space things. Tell me what article it was, and I'll fix it and properly source it. Thanks for the catch! - Nate - Nate Montes 00:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flybywire e2c ( talk • contribs)
Thanks! You're awesome! A made a minor edit to add in a Wikipedia link to the CCiCap program. - Nate Montes 03:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Server jammed. If you can copy-paste the new article please go ahead!!! BatteryIncluded ( talk) 05:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Cyber-hell at my end. I'm neutralized pretty much for a while. Please go ahead with whatever you have to do. Cheers, BatteryIncluded ( talk) 05:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
WOW!!!! It took me a while to figure what happened there because I do not remember doing those edits. I was brousing a total of 6 revisions done by an AP which cought my attention because that editor did 6 sequential "undo" of your edits. When i saw the 'spinning keeps the forward momentum' portion I blew a fuse and I don't remember what buttons I pressed. I think it was simply "undo", thing is I forgot I was looking at intermediate revisions and messed up the corrections that you and other editors had already done to that AP user. Later I broused the history again and saw other incongruencies that I did not understand and tried to fix them, and now I know is because of the "undo" I did of an old revision. I apologize to you and will to everyone else. Yes, we are in the same "page" as to the the difference between MSL and Curiosity content. I was tired and I did not pay attention to what I did. I had a good night sleep and I hope I will be a useful editor again. CHeers, BatteryIncluded ( talk) 15:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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Here is an aknowledgement to your dedication and diligence while developing and successfuly managing the two most edited articles in Wikipedia for 2 days in a row: Mars Science Laboratory and Curiosity rover. Thankyou! BatteryIncluded ( talk) 16:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC) |
Hey. I created a stub-article on the rover's CheMin, but the Wikisearch for " chemin" directs to a French locality. Could you please help me with the redirect and necessary disambiguation? I don't know how to begin to address that. Thanks. BatteryIncluded ( talk) 17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Done—check it out.
Chemin is now a diambig page, and I moved the old Chemin page to
Chemin (France), and
CheMin works too.
N2e (
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First, let me state that I agree with you completely that Wikipedia should be solidly referenced.
However, I disagree on the best action when a dubious statement is found. Clearly there are many possible responses - take the factoid out, add a citation needed tag, try to find the reference, and so on. Each takes a different amount of work, and provides a different experience for the reader. Adding citation needed is clearly very fast for the editor, but it may induce doubt in the reader who may think this means "I'm not sure that's true". This is especially true for a casual reader who may not think or know about the difference between "citation needed" and "dubious" or other flags. On the other hand, adding a reference is clearly the best result from the reader's perspective, but from the editor's view it sometimes take longer - possible much longer if the reference is hard to track down.
I think a reasonable compromise is to do exactly one google search for the claim made in the article. If the right reference pops up, add it, otherwise add the citation needed. For example, in the case of the Deep Space 1, the very first google search I tried, "Deep Space 1 mission objectives" found many references, almost all of them backing the claim made in the article. I added what I felt was the best of them.
Since most articles are read many times for each time they are edited, I think this provides a better balance between verifiability and a good experience for the reader. You mileage, or course, may vary... LouScheffer ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi N2e! Are you interested in being the Online Ambassador for any classes this term? We've got a few classes that are looking for ambassador right now ( Canada, US), so if you're up for helping any, please do! Let me know if you have any questions, or if you'd like me to pick a course for you.-- Sage Ross (WMF) ( talk) 18:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
hi
Since the fixing of the changes bot, I have been trudging through the changes and trying to sort them out.
On 6 August you made an edit ( [2]) removing the Robotics project banner from the talk page. I read the edit summary you left, which led me to think that you felt that the whole was not robotic and only the rover was within the project scope?
I have replaced the banner on the MSL page, though you may notice I have reduced the importance from high to mid, as it not current. Thanks Chaosdruid ( talk) 17:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Robotics! Our goals are to standardize the structure and content of all Robotics articles, improve Wikipedia's coverage of these articles (hopefully propelling them to featured article status), and serve as the central resource for all discussions and information related to Robotics on Wikipedia.
A few features that you might find helpful:
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask one of the project participants or post a question on the talk page. We'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around!
Apologies for not getting this to you earlier :¬) Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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and another.
and another one.
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Hello, me again. Yes I know there has been thorough discussion about citations, but instead of removing an entry could you somehow extend the life to give editors, (mostly just me) a chance to catch up. I was probably responsible for a lot of them and though verifiable, their origins are forgotten. It is extremely frustrating to look for an entry to find it has been deleted. Let us work together on this. instead of deletion refresh the tag or a hatnote at the top of each page explaining the rationale of the citation tags. When all is said and done the list is primarily a List of Aircraft,not articles, and is used as a tool to give better articles, so the less it is tampered with the better for Wikipedia. I know what the policies are, but they don't have to be strictly adhered to, particularly for unfinished articles. Petebutt ( talk) 14:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
As of 25 November 2012 [update], CRS SpX-3 is near the top of Wikipedia:Most wanted articles with 105 incomming links. Do you want to go ahead and start it? -Arb. ( talk) 21:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
— Tom Morris ( talk) 15:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks N2e, i will try to keep futures editions to any articles short and backed up with citations Gibbo136 ( talk) 03:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I am currently cleaning up the backlog over at Editor Review and I found this in the backlog. As it is no longer posted on the main page at Editor Review, I was wondering if I should remove it from the backlogs and put it to rest or if I should repost it for community review. I will remove it from the backlogs three days from now if I am not given a response.— cyberpower Offline Happy 2013 22:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Glad to see that at least someone woke up ! It was indeed an experimental probe. Besides, "normal" Zond moonprobes used filmcassettes which fell back to Earth to be recovered by the Sovjets. Zond 3 wasn't equipped with it, since it would just fly-by Mars. There was however, a delay during construction which caused the launchwindow to close before the probe was ready for its journey to the red planet (a short time ago I wrote some articles for Dutch wikipedia about the early Russian space missions. During my research I was lightly horrified by for example Venera 2 on english wiki. Is that really all there is to say about it ?). Kind regards and please continue your work for english wiki (it is not my native language so I hope I don't make too many errors writing this), Maasje ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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For contributions to articles about spacecraft! Happy new year! Fotaun ( talk) 16:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Thank you, very much, for your feedback on what I'm rapidly coming to think of as the "Synchronous Motor Debacle". I very much appreciate someone else chiming in who seems to understand where I'm coming from, and if there's ever a situation where you think my perspective might be helpful, please don't hesitate to contact me. Doniago ( talk) 02:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC) |
I can't decide whether I'm sad or relieved to see that that entire derailed ANI discussion ended up going exactly nowhere (and personally I don't think it's a great practice that ANI threads can be archived without closure). I suppose the important part is ultimately that Synchronous motor did eventually get the attention it needed (or so I guess; I'm disinclined to look at it currently). I'm forced to wonder whether any editors walked away from the whole situation having learned anything though, and it would have been nice if certain editors had been told "No, it's not okay to talk to your fellow editors that way." Sigh. Doniago ( talk) 17:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)