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I am actually the writer of the web copy that i have used on Wikipedia, as i manage the media for the group that own these restaurants. if i change the wording can it not be deleted? Diorama Media ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC).
My Stradivarius, I am told you have removed our entry for Quay restaurant because it infringes copyright. I must correct you, as the author of the wikipedia entry to do with Quay is the author of the text on the Quay website. I am the copyright owner of the text, and I have asked Cris to create entries for both Quay and Otto. In both cases, I am the owner of the copyright material, and therefore have every right to use the text as an entry on wikipedia.
I am not very comfortable with using this system on Wikipedia, and I have no idea how to get a response from you. If I send you my email address, can everyone else see it?
Please let me know. I am contactable via the Quay contact page, my name is John and I am the General Manager of Quay and Otto.
Please contact me to explain your actions to me. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.225.43.190 ( talk) 04:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Let's take a couple of sentences from Quay (restaurant) before I reverted it. Number one: "Peter’s use of texture and his exploration of nature’s diversity are key elements to his continually evolving original style." This is a nice soundbite, but what does it actually mean? If we translate this into Wikipedia-speak it would probably end up as something like "Peter cooks many different kinds of food" - just what we would expect from any restaurant. This is not to say that Peter's food isn't special, just to say that Wikipedia can't say that itself. Wikipedia can only report facts (although this does include facts about opinions).
You are really going about writing this article in the wrong way. You need to start with the sources, not with the text itself. First, I recommend gathering all the sources about the restaurants you can find that meet Wikipedia's guidelines for identifying reliable sources. Then write the article based on those, while still keeping the text neutral. I recommend using articles for creation for the next version of Otto Ristorante so that you can get more feedback before the article is created. For Quay, try posting the sources you find on the talk page, and then other editors can evaluate them. Also, you can try reading the business FAQ and the " Missing Manual" for more help. And let me know if you have any more questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 05:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Mr. Stradivarius, I have attempted to communicate with you via wikipedia, but I am not au fait enough to understand the process. I have set up an account so I can communticate directly with you in regards to my concerns.
Please respond to this email thanks Finkfilm ( talk) 05:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Strad, thanks for your note. I've not been involved with V since November last year, and I don't think I want to get involved again, but I'll give it some thought so as not to hold things up for you. Thank you for taking it on, by the way. It can only benefit from a disinterested mediator giving the discussion some structure. It's very decent of you to give of your time in this way. Best, SlimVirgin TALK| CONTRIBS 06:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, there. I'm working on a dispute on DRN that's turned quite messy (two threads were opened for the same dispute - I already closed one). I'm working on researching the situation so I can comment more intelligently. Your input here would be very valuable. Thanks very much. Sleddog116 ( talk) 16:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The dispute has been left unsettled after the RfC [1]. You were suggesting that Viborg could be used as a compromise [2]. If there is no other way to resolve this then I think that name should be used. - YMB29 ( talk) 16:44, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
No thanks, although i don't recognize the name "Persian Gulf".-- Uishaki ( talk) 14:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Your introduction contains the following...
The tag is at the end of the sentence in the introduction that includes the text "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth", and says that this sentence is "under discussion", with a link pointing to Wikipedia talk:Verifiability.
As you are hopefully aware, that is no longer a fact as the sentence has been deleted from the introduction via persistent BRD editing, not system-wide consensus. JakeInJoisey ( talk) 13:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, according to the ground rules only the Mediator has the authority to refactor posts at liberty, yes? So please see this and aquaint us of whatever action or clarification as is necessary, this is disappointing, so far. NewbyG ( talk) 20:39, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Also, you seem to be taking a very keen interest in the mediation for someone who has said they won't be taking part. :) Are you sure you don't want to join? You will be most welcome if you change your mind. Best wishes — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 00:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance at the Mediation page and etc. I had made up my mind a month ago to stop editing at wp:con wp:civ, wp:npa wp:iar wp:bold and Especially at wp:V – since then my clean block log after five years has two (2) entries. I have been advised for my health to leave Wikipedia-space. I have no interest in pursuing grudges, just seeking order on the page. I cannot write for peanuts, and so would be of no use in drafting another RFC. I can only do Fix Typo stuff. Of the versions collected at Verifiability/Workshop about half are defective in basic grammar, but they mean well. The idea of a page such as user:Steven Zhang outlined, or one you might have up your sleeve is excellent. When TMBox was being worked up it was done like that, if I remember correctly. Thanks!
Hi there, I won’t be able to participate at the MediationProjectPage for personal reasons, but thank you for your invitation. I will keep the talk:Mediation on my watchlist, but only would feel able to contribute there very occasionally if at all and of course in compliance of the ground rules. The (2) insults to myself , which have been allowed to stand at the top of the talkpage make it rather difficult for me to contribute, although I requested Dicky to withdraw, his refusal to do so puts them in a bad light. Nevertheless, those Magic Words PAR for personal attack redacted at two places would be of immense service in establishing that NO users are exempt from the ground rules, and that hypocrisy will NOT be tolerated as a tactic to thwart the formation of consensus.
I request action, Please do it for me, if you see your way clear, and apply the Magic Dust to those 45 words of Dick’s. Especially since this stuff gets archived etc. And hatted and all that high-tech stuff. Thanks NewbyG ( talk) 19:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I originally pulled out of the WP:V Mediation not wanting to deal with any more acrimonious discussions, but I am so impressed with the tone of the mediation that you've fostered and the structure you've outlined, I think I'd enjoy taking part. Is that a possibility? If its too late, I understand completely.( olive ( talk) 18:18, 9 March 2012 (UTC))
Punt! Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 00:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Whenaxis (now retired, his talk page says) was mediating this dispute and started a structured RFC for us at WP:Requests for comment/Indians in Afghanistan. This was listed on 13th February but the bot removed it on its own on 22nd February. Since then unlike expected, it has drawn a few editors only from an Indian noticeboard informed by an involved editor and editors viewing the talk page of article other than involved editors. This has been ever since an unlisted RFC and consensus with not so much input from uninvolved. Can you please fix this issue and relist the RFC with an increased time period so that community input can be acquired? -- lTopGunl ( talk) 17:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
At wp:ver mediation.... Not sure how others read it but I read Andrew Lancaster's comment as saying that his preferred version is simply that one. (rather than reading it as a comment) North8000 ( talk) 16:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I was looking at the page on verifiability. Some of the drafts were quite good but I want to offer a suggestion regarding usage and grammar. Specifically, the word "check" does not mean "do" or "find out" or "determine whether." It basically means "look." So in my own work I would never write, "One should be able to check that such and such has happened." Instead I would write, "One should be able to check and find out that such and such has happened." Or, better yet, "One should be able to confirm that such and such has happened."
The best known example of this problem (written by programmers who should have some idea of logic trees) is, "Checking if your computer has the latest version of Windows Update." OK, fine. If my computer has the latest version of Windows Update you are going to check something or other. But what are you going to do if my computer does not have the latest version of Windows Update?
Just a thought and a suggestion for building the road without potholes. kcylsnavS{ screech harrass} 16:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for the note. i am in a rush but I would be fine with a shortened version of the post you deleted if that would be suitable.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 16:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Stradivarius,
Thanks for your support! We are actually a group of three completing a Linguistics project by improving the Wiki page. Your timing couldn't be better. Any kind of feedback is truly appreciated as we would really like to contribute to the Wiki community, and of course, get a good grade for our project. We are all new to Wikipedia so this is our first time editing anything. Please let us know if there is any section that does not conform to Wiki guidelines, or if there is anything that could make it better.
Glammy123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glammy123 ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm a long-time U.S. editor in good standing and not associated with barristers in any way. I stumbled onto the deletion discussion while going through old discussions and have after a reasonable search asserted a keep outcome. I ask politely if you'd be so kind as to look at my assertion in the deletion discussion to see whether the sources I've found and the argument I've made might sway your opinion. I've taken the liberty of inviting the ip address recently improving the page to find sources which describe the chambers under the old brand name "2-3 Gray's Inn Square". No big deal if you choose not to agree with me, or even follow my request. Thanks for your efforts to improve the pedia. BusterD ( talk) 16:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all!
Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).
In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!
Regards, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 00:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Is MiszaBot not archiving again on DRN [3]? Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 15:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Mr Stradivarius, You had visited a page that my students are working on in January and provided us with a valuable discussion opportunity regarding what can be cited and how to maintain a NPOV on Wikipedia. The students are just now moving their work onto the public pages. I will note (as I'm sure you know) that these pages are very much works in progress. Since you were earlier interested, and since I think the students would value earlier rather than later feedback about how they are doing NPOV and newby error-wise, I am inviting you to have a look. They should be moved by Monday (in Canada). The pages are Vocabulary Development and Joint Attention. I would appreciate it if you found time to have a look. We are aiming for Did You Know submission this week and Good Article submission shortly after that. There is a bit of work to do yet, but I think they are doing good work and with guidance, might be successful! I do have the support of Neelix as an on-line ambassador but I think the students benefit from knowing that many people are reading their work. Thank you, Paula Marentette ( talk) 21:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Paula Marentette ( talk) 19:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius,
I have just added some citations in the page I have recently created. Therefore I will remove the "unreferenced" template. If you think this is a bad decision, please let me know.
In the upcoming weeks, I will try to coordinate a group of students to improve this page beyond the "stub" level.
Best regards,
˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceilican ( talk • contribs) 13:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! Several of them are good, but my personal favourite is probably Blueboar's one.
The only thing I would tweak in it would be to change this:
All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable. Editors should not add unverifiable material, even if they are convinced that the material is true. In this context, the initial threshold for inclusion is Verifiability, not truth. However, Verifiability is not the only threshold for inclusion.
to this:
All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable. Editors should not add unverifiable material, even if they are convinced that the material is true. In this context, a fundamental requirement for inclusion is Verifiability, not truth. However, Verifiability is not the only requirement for inclusion.
I don't like "threshold" as (for me) it has nuances of stepping in through the door, and a "once you're over the threshold, you're in the house" feeling about it. Adding further thresholds seems weird – bending the metaphor. It doesn't flow the way it should. (If you imagine a real house, yes, there's a threshold for each room, kinda thing, but different doorways lead to different rooms, you don't have a whole row of doorways, one after the other, and then just one big room (the 'pedia).) Requirements are more like qualifications for a job, or for your car to pass its MoT test, all of which have to be ticked before one can progress.
Cheers! Pesky ( talk) 21:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
While this edit makes sense, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to simply delete Dale Chock's (and others') comments. Should we move the thread to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics? — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 13:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
April Fools Day is just around the corner. As such please could you nominate a new motto or comment on existing suggestions at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials? Simply south.... .. facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 16:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys.
I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.
This is being done through the
Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an
office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).
All the best, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 21:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
You beat me to the punch here. Poor guy - he can use the encouragement, I guess. I just hope the others haven't scared him off permanently. Sleddog116 ( talk) 01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey man,
I've attempted editing (actually have entirely rewritten) that do-support article two or three times over the past few years and every time it's led to an edit war in which anything other than what's in that article now was labelled original research and/or fringe theory.
The auxiliary DO in English is quite simply the aspectual auxiliary used for marking the non-durational aspects -- nothing more, nothing less. Do-support is an erroneous attempt to explain the use of do in some forms and not in others. It is based in the flawed perception that DO 'appears' in some forms whereas the truth would be more correctly said that it 'disappears' in some forms.
Auxiliaries in English can be classified by their syntactic strength with the strongest never being changed in form by the auxiliary preceding them and always changing the form of the auxiliary or vector ('main verb') that follows them. There are a few levels between the strongest and the weakest auxiliaries with them having varying resistance to change and propensity to change others. At the bottom are weak auxiliaries which instead of being changed by the preceding auxiliary are actually displaced entirely; they have no effect at all on the vector following them and cannot precede another auxiliary; and their own inflection for person, number, and tense may be appended onto the vector with the auxiliary itself seemingly disappearing. In English, the only weak auxiliary is DO when used as an aspectual auxiliary. It is this final attribute of weak auxiliaries -- lending their endings to the vector forming a linguistic shorthand representing the longer form -- that creates such confusion among those studying English and which the idea of do-support is attempting to account for.
Thus the reason I've said that do-support attempts to erroneously explain who DO appears rather than explaining why and how it appears to disappear.
I can certainly understand why some people including grammarians and linguists have a hard time grasping this and primarily that's because no one's every published anything on linguistic shorthand. In fact as far as I know, I'm the only person who's proposed an actual name for it. Basically, it's just a blanket term for when a shorter or typologically simpler form represents a more complex one (or more complex idea) but doesn't in fact fully replace it. In the case of DO, most people mistake the linguistic shorthand for inflection but if it were truly inflection, then the change would hold for all forms. The fact that - DO (zero ending) + walk = walk (zero ending) - DOES + walk = walks (3rd Pers Sing Ending) - DID + walk = walked (praeterite ending) - only occur in affirmative statements and only in those three forms shows that this is indeed not inflection because otherwise those changes would hold in negative statements and questions and the like.
Anyway, I just thought I'd send you a note regarding this topic. I too think it needs to be changed because as both a linguist specializing in English and someone who's taught and worked in the ESL industry for nearly two decades, I know that that particular wikipedia article has and has had a very damaging effect. However, until people with some sort of subject matter expertise are given a way of overriding or at least getting past the various admins on here who admit no real knowledge of linguistics other than what they've read online who keep editing and reediting the linguistics articles, I don't see much chance of rectifying the situation.
Cheers,
Drew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drew.ward ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I had a look at the contributions you made to the article, though, and I'll let you know what I noticed. Most importantly, I saw that your contributions to the page were all unsourced. I think you have been around Wikipedia long enough to know that we are not allowed to include original research and that all our contributions should be verifiable. If you can source the content that you put in the article, I think it will be a lot more acceptable to the others. I actually have no idea about the acceptance of do-support in mainstream linguistics, but if it has been rejected as you say, then it shouldn't be hard to find criticism of it in reliable, published sources. How about starting off by searching to see if such sources exist? Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 02:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Please feel free to more or delete anything I write as needed to keep organized. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. Happy to help out however I can. Keep the requests coming. GabrielF ( talk) 18:27, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:
coding
All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.
Stuff to look at
We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.
I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.
I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 17:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi! You are mentioned in a post that will run on the Wikimedia Foundation blog this week describing some of the editors who signed up for HighBeam accounts and their motivations for doing so. I just wanted to let you know. If you'd rather not be mentioned, please respond below or on my talk page. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 18:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Stradivarius,
I've uploaded the article you requested at the resource exchange. You can find the link at that page. Best, GabrielF ( talk) 19:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. At group 4, I would suggest archiving drafts 1–5 and renumbering:
Draft 0
Draft 0.1
Draft 0.2
Draft 0.3
etc.
-- Bob K31416 ( talk) 02:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Why'd you have the drafts page protected? I wanted to add a footnote on copyright as that seems to be the developing consensus. Be——Critical 17:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hiee , thank u for helping me by editing my article ! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narthana V ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like to know why you have gone out of your way to delete the article I was in the process of writing despite the nomination for deletion being withdrawn. Also why you have blocked my ability to log into wiki to continue to write my entry on the transcention Hypothesis? This is vandalism. 86.29.2.155 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC).
At least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. — Preceding
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I am actually the writer of the web copy that i have used on Wikipedia, as i manage the media for the group that own these restaurants. if i change the wording can it not be deleted? Diorama Media ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC).
My Stradivarius, I am told you have removed our entry for Quay restaurant because it infringes copyright. I must correct you, as the author of the wikipedia entry to do with Quay is the author of the text on the Quay website. I am the copyright owner of the text, and I have asked Cris to create entries for both Quay and Otto. In both cases, I am the owner of the copyright material, and therefore have every right to use the text as an entry on wikipedia.
I am not very comfortable with using this system on Wikipedia, and I have no idea how to get a response from you. If I send you my email address, can everyone else see it?
Please let me know. I am contactable via the Quay contact page, my name is John and I am the General Manager of Quay and Otto.
Please contact me to explain your actions to me. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.225.43.190 ( talk) 04:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Let's take a couple of sentences from Quay (restaurant) before I reverted it. Number one: "Peter’s use of texture and his exploration of nature’s diversity are key elements to his continually evolving original style." This is a nice soundbite, but what does it actually mean? If we translate this into Wikipedia-speak it would probably end up as something like "Peter cooks many different kinds of food" - just what we would expect from any restaurant. This is not to say that Peter's food isn't special, just to say that Wikipedia can't say that itself. Wikipedia can only report facts (although this does include facts about opinions).
You are really going about writing this article in the wrong way. You need to start with the sources, not with the text itself. First, I recommend gathering all the sources about the restaurants you can find that meet Wikipedia's guidelines for identifying reliable sources. Then write the article based on those, while still keeping the text neutral. I recommend using articles for creation for the next version of Otto Ristorante so that you can get more feedback before the article is created. For Quay, try posting the sources you find on the talk page, and then other editors can evaluate them. Also, you can try reading the business FAQ and the " Missing Manual" for more help. And let me know if you have any more questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 05:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Mr. Stradivarius, I have attempted to communicate with you via wikipedia, but I am not au fait enough to understand the process. I have set up an account so I can communticate directly with you in regards to my concerns.
Please respond to this email thanks Finkfilm ( talk) 05:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Strad, thanks for your note. I've not been involved with V since November last year, and I don't think I want to get involved again, but I'll give it some thought so as not to hold things up for you. Thank you for taking it on, by the way. It can only benefit from a disinterested mediator giving the discussion some structure. It's very decent of you to give of your time in this way. Best, SlimVirgin TALK| CONTRIBS 06:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, there. I'm working on a dispute on DRN that's turned quite messy (two threads were opened for the same dispute - I already closed one). I'm working on researching the situation so I can comment more intelligently. Your input here would be very valuable. Thanks very much. Sleddog116 ( talk) 16:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The dispute has been left unsettled after the RfC [1]. You were suggesting that Viborg could be used as a compromise [2]. If there is no other way to resolve this then I think that name should be used. - YMB29 ( talk) 16:44, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
No thanks, although i don't recognize the name "Persian Gulf".-- Uishaki ( talk) 14:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Your introduction contains the following...
The tag is at the end of the sentence in the introduction that includes the text "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth", and says that this sentence is "under discussion", with a link pointing to Wikipedia talk:Verifiability.
As you are hopefully aware, that is no longer a fact as the sentence has been deleted from the introduction via persistent BRD editing, not system-wide consensus. JakeInJoisey ( talk) 13:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, according to the ground rules only the Mediator has the authority to refactor posts at liberty, yes? So please see this and aquaint us of whatever action or clarification as is necessary, this is disappointing, so far. NewbyG ( talk) 20:39, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Also, you seem to be taking a very keen interest in the mediation for someone who has said they won't be taking part. :) Are you sure you don't want to join? You will be most welcome if you change your mind. Best wishes — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 00:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance at the Mediation page and etc. I had made up my mind a month ago to stop editing at wp:con wp:civ, wp:npa wp:iar wp:bold and Especially at wp:V – since then my clean block log after five years has two (2) entries. I have been advised for my health to leave Wikipedia-space. I have no interest in pursuing grudges, just seeking order on the page. I cannot write for peanuts, and so would be of no use in drafting another RFC. I can only do Fix Typo stuff. Of the versions collected at Verifiability/Workshop about half are defective in basic grammar, but they mean well. The idea of a page such as user:Steven Zhang outlined, or one you might have up your sleeve is excellent. When TMBox was being worked up it was done like that, if I remember correctly. Thanks!
Hi there, I won’t be able to participate at the MediationProjectPage for personal reasons, but thank you for your invitation. I will keep the talk:Mediation on my watchlist, but only would feel able to contribute there very occasionally if at all and of course in compliance of the ground rules. The (2) insults to myself , which have been allowed to stand at the top of the talkpage make it rather difficult for me to contribute, although I requested Dicky to withdraw, his refusal to do so puts them in a bad light. Nevertheless, those Magic Words PAR for personal attack redacted at two places would be of immense service in establishing that NO users are exempt from the ground rules, and that hypocrisy will NOT be tolerated as a tactic to thwart the formation of consensus.
I request action, Please do it for me, if you see your way clear, and apply the Magic Dust to those 45 words of Dick’s. Especially since this stuff gets archived etc. And hatted and all that high-tech stuff. Thanks NewbyG ( talk) 19:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I originally pulled out of the WP:V Mediation not wanting to deal with any more acrimonious discussions, but I am so impressed with the tone of the mediation that you've fostered and the structure you've outlined, I think I'd enjoy taking part. Is that a possibility? If its too late, I understand completely.( olive ( talk) 18:18, 9 March 2012 (UTC))
Punt! Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 00:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Whenaxis (now retired, his talk page says) was mediating this dispute and started a structured RFC for us at WP:Requests for comment/Indians in Afghanistan. This was listed on 13th February but the bot removed it on its own on 22nd February. Since then unlike expected, it has drawn a few editors only from an Indian noticeboard informed by an involved editor and editors viewing the talk page of article other than involved editors. This has been ever since an unlisted RFC and consensus with not so much input from uninvolved. Can you please fix this issue and relist the RFC with an increased time period so that community input can be acquired? -- lTopGunl ( talk) 17:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
At wp:ver mediation.... Not sure how others read it but I read Andrew Lancaster's comment as saying that his preferred version is simply that one. (rather than reading it as a comment) North8000 ( talk) 16:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I was looking at the page on verifiability. Some of the drafts were quite good but I want to offer a suggestion regarding usage and grammar. Specifically, the word "check" does not mean "do" or "find out" or "determine whether." It basically means "look." So in my own work I would never write, "One should be able to check that such and such has happened." Instead I would write, "One should be able to check and find out that such and such has happened." Or, better yet, "One should be able to confirm that such and such has happened."
The best known example of this problem (written by programmers who should have some idea of logic trees) is, "Checking if your computer has the latest version of Windows Update." OK, fine. If my computer has the latest version of Windows Update you are going to check something or other. But what are you going to do if my computer does not have the latest version of Windows Update?
Just a thought and a suggestion for building the road without potholes. kcylsnavS{ screech harrass} 16:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for the note. i am in a rush but I would be fine with a shortened version of the post you deleted if that would be suitable.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 16:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Stradivarius,
Thanks for your support! We are actually a group of three completing a Linguistics project by improving the Wiki page. Your timing couldn't be better. Any kind of feedback is truly appreciated as we would really like to contribute to the Wiki community, and of course, get a good grade for our project. We are all new to Wikipedia so this is our first time editing anything. Please let us know if there is any section that does not conform to Wiki guidelines, or if there is anything that could make it better.
Glammy123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glammy123 ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm a long-time U.S. editor in good standing and not associated with barristers in any way. I stumbled onto the deletion discussion while going through old discussions and have after a reasonable search asserted a keep outcome. I ask politely if you'd be so kind as to look at my assertion in the deletion discussion to see whether the sources I've found and the argument I've made might sway your opinion. I've taken the liberty of inviting the ip address recently improving the page to find sources which describe the chambers under the old brand name "2-3 Gray's Inn Square". No big deal if you choose not to agree with me, or even follow my request. Thanks for your efforts to improve the pedia. BusterD ( talk) 16:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all!
Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).
In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!
Regards, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 00:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Is MiszaBot not archiving again on DRN [3]? Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 15:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Mr Stradivarius, You had visited a page that my students are working on in January and provided us with a valuable discussion opportunity regarding what can be cited and how to maintain a NPOV on Wikipedia. The students are just now moving their work onto the public pages. I will note (as I'm sure you know) that these pages are very much works in progress. Since you were earlier interested, and since I think the students would value earlier rather than later feedback about how they are doing NPOV and newby error-wise, I am inviting you to have a look. They should be moved by Monday (in Canada). The pages are Vocabulary Development and Joint Attention. I would appreciate it if you found time to have a look. We are aiming for Did You Know submission this week and Good Article submission shortly after that. There is a bit of work to do yet, but I think they are doing good work and with guidance, might be successful! I do have the support of Neelix as an on-line ambassador but I think the students benefit from knowing that many people are reading their work. Thank you, Paula Marentette ( talk) 21:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Paula Marentette ( talk) 19:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Stradivarius,
I have just added some citations in the page I have recently created. Therefore I will remove the "unreferenced" template. If you think this is a bad decision, please let me know.
In the upcoming weeks, I will try to coordinate a group of students to improve this page beyond the "stub" level.
Best regards,
˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceilican ( talk • contribs) 13:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! Several of them are good, but my personal favourite is probably Blueboar's one.
The only thing I would tweak in it would be to change this:
All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable. Editors should not add unverifiable material, even if they are convinced that the material is true. In this context, the initial threshold for inclusion is Verifiability, not truth. However, Verifiability is not the only threshold for inclusion.
to this:
All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable. Editors should not add unverifiable material, even if they are convinced that the material is true. In this context, a fundamental requirement for inclusion is Verifiability, not truth. However, Verifiability is not the only requirement for inclusion.
I don't like "threshold" as (for me) it has nuances of stepping in through the door, and a "once you're over the threshold, you're in the house" feeling about it. Adding further thresholds seems weird – bending the metaphor. It doesn't flow the way it should. (If you imagine a real house, yes, there's a threshold for each room, kinda thing, but different doorways lead to different rooms, you don't have a whole row of doorways, one after the other, and then just one big room (the 'pedia).) Requirements are more like qualifications for a job, or for your car to pass its MoT test, all of which have to be ticked before one can progress.
Cheers! Pesky ( talk) 21:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
While this edit makes sense, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to simply delete Dale Chock's (and others') comments. Should we move the thread to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics? — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 13:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
April Fools Day is just around the corner. As such please could you nominate a new motto or comment on existing suggestions at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials? Simply south.... .. facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 16:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys.
I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.
This is being done through the
Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an
office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).
All the best, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 21:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
You beat me to the punch here. Poor guy - he can use the encouragement, I guess. I just hope the others haven't scared him off permanently. Sleddog116 ( talk) 01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey man,
I've attempted editing (actually have entirely rewritten) that do-support article two or three times over the past few years and every time it's led to an edit war in which anything other than what's in that article now was labelled original research and/or fringe theory.
The auxiliary DO in English is quite simply the aspectual auxiliary used for marking the non-durational aspects -- nothing more, nothing less. Do-support is an erroneous attempt to explain the use of do in some forms and not in others. It is based in the flawed perception that DO 'appears' in some forms whereas the truth would be more correctly said that it 'disappears' in some forms.
Auxiliaries in English can be classified by their syntactic strength with the strongest never being changed in form by the auxiliary preceding them and always changing the form of the auxiliary or vector ('main verb') that follows them. There are a few levels between the strongest and the weakest auxiliaries with them having varying resistance to change and propensity to change others. At the bottom are weak auxiliaries which instead of being changed by the preceding auxiliary are actually displaced entirely; they have no effect at all on the vector following them and cannot precede another auxiliary; and their own inflection for person, number, and tense may be appended onto the vector with the auxiliary itself seemingly disappearing. In English, the only weak auxiliary is DO when used as an aspectual auxiliary. It is this final attribute of weak auxiliaries -- lending their endings to the vector forming a linguistic shorthand representing the longer form -- that creates such confusion among those studying English and which the idea of do-support is attempting to account for.
Thus the reason I've said that do-support attempts to erroneously explain who DO appears rather than explaining why and how it appears to disappear.
I can certainly understand why some people including grammarians and linguists have a hard time grasping this and primarily that's because no one's every published anything on linguistic shorthand. In fact as far as I know, I'm the only person who's proposed an actual name for it. Basically, it's just a blanket term for when a shorter or typologically simpler form represents a more complex one (or more complex idea) but doesn't in fact fully replace it. In the case of DO, most people mistake the linguistic shorthand for inflection but if it were truly inflection, then the change would hold for all forms. The fact that - DO (zero ending) + walk = walk (zero ending) - DOES + walk = walks (3rd Pers Sing Ending) - DID + walk = walked (praeterite ending) - only occur in affirmative statements and only in those three forms shows that this is indeed not inflection because otherwise those changes would hold in negative statements and questions and the like.
Anyway, I just thought I'd send you a note regarding this topic. I too think it needs to be changed because as both a linguist specializing in English and someone who's taught and worked in the ESL industry for nearly two decades, I know that that particular wikipedia article has and has had a very damaging effect. However, until people with some sort of subject matter expertise are given a way of overriding or at least getting past the various admins on here who admit no real knowledge of linguistics other than what they've read online who keep editing and reediting the linguistics articles, I don't see much chance of rectifying the situation.
Cheers,
Drew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drew.ward ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I had a look at the contributions you made to the article, though, and I'll let you know what I noticed. Most importantly, I saw that your contributions to the page were all unsourced. I think you have been around Wikipedia long enough to know that we are not allowed to include original research and that all our contributions should be verifiable. If you can source the content that you put in the article, I think it will be a lot more acceptable to the others. I actually have no idea about the acceptance of do-support in mainstream linguistics, but if it has been rejected as you say, then it shouldn't be hard to find criticism of it in reliable, published sources. How about starting off by searching to see if such sources exist? Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 02:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Please feel free to more or delete anything I write as needed to keep organized. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. Happy to help out however I can. Keep the requests coming. GabrielF ( talk) 18:27, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:
coding
All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.
Stuff to look at
We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.
I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.
I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 17:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi! You are mentioned in a post that will run on the Wikimedia Foundation blog this week describing some of the editors who signed up for HighBeam accounts and their motivations for doing so. I just wanted to let you know. If you'd rather not be mentioned, please respond below or on my talk page. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 18:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Stradivarius,
I've uploaded the article you requested at the resource exchange. You can find the link at that page. Best, GabrielF ( talk) 19:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. At group 4, I would suggest archiving drafts 1–5 and renumbering:
Draft 0
Draft 0.1
Draft 0.2
Draft 0.3
etc.
-- Bob K31416 ( talk) 02:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Why'd you have the drafts page protected? I wanted to add a footnote on copyright as that seems to be the developing consensus. Be——Critical 17:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hiee , thank u for helping me by editing my article ! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narthana V ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like to know why you have gone out of your way to delete the article I was in the process of writing despite the nomination for deletion being withdrawn. Also why you have blocked my ability to log into wiki to continue to write my entry on the transcention Hypothesis? This is vandalism. 86.29.2.155 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC).
At least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. — Preceding
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