Hello, MonaPiece. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
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- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. The user page you created was clearly promotional, so it has been deleted. JBW ( talk) 22:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- promoting a non profit that supports a marginalized group and is run by volunteers ... doesn't sound quite right to me. I was trying to be informative in my article.
- Would the following be better received?
- ANSWER Society
- ANSWER Society (Advocacy Normalizing Sex Work through Education and Resources Society) is a non-profit organization based in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Founded with the goal of supporting and advocating for sex workers, ANSWER Society plays a crucial role in promoting the decriminalization and destigmatization of sex work.
- Mission and Purpose
- ANSWER Society aims to achieve the following objectives:
- Integration and Acceptance:
- To create a community of sex workers that is fully integrated into modern-day society.
- To foster an environment where sex work is accepted, safe, respected, and afforded the same protections and entitlements as other professions within Canadian society.
- Services and Support:
- ANSWER Society provides essential services to sex workers:
- Bias Prevention Training: Breaking down stigmas and demystifying the sex work industry.
- Peer Support: Offering mentoring, education, and resources to sex workers.
- Advocacy: Promoting better living conditions, safer working conditions, and the decriminalization of sex work.
- Community Building and Collaboration:
- ANSWER Society actively collaborates with the public, community organizations, law enforcement, and all levels of government.
- By building positive and collaborative relationships, they work toward improving the quality of life for sex workers.
- Initiatives
- Bias Prevention Training:
- ANSWER Society conducts public training sessions called “Breaking Barriers: Understanding Sex Work.”
- These sessions demystify the sex work industry, challenge stigmas, and provide factual information.
- Advocacy for Decriminalization:
- ANSWER Society encourages individuals to write to their Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs) in support of the decriminalization of sex work.
- Their advocacy aims to reduce harm and improve the well-being of sex workers.
- How You Can Help
- Donations:
- Individuals can make one-time or ongoing donations to support ANSWER Society’s work.
- Donors can choose specific areas within the organization to allocate their contributions.
- Education and Awareness:
- ANSWER Society encourages everyone to learn about sex work by reading reliable sources and understanding the differences between sex trafficking, sexual exploitation, and consensual sex work.
- For more information, visit the 1. MonaPiece ( talk) 23:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will try to clarify some points about how Wikipedia works, in the hope of helping you better understand the situation relating to your dafts for an article.
- It is very common for people involved in an organisation which they regard as a good cause to assume that writing about what good work it does on Wikipedia will be an effective way of getting that organisation better known and increasing recognition of it. However, that is a misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia policy is that promotion of anything is not acceptable, whether it's for profit or not, and whether what is being promoted is a noble cause doing good work or not. The text which you have given above is still written in a way which reads like promotion of the organisation. Also Wikipedia policy requires an article to be written from a neutral point of view, and not to express opinions, whether those opinions may be good, bad, or neither, but nobody reading what you have written could fail to see that it was written by someone who holds a particular set of opinions; for example, the statement that the organisation "plays a crucial role" is expressing an opinion. Asking for donations is obviously unambiguous promotion.
- There is, however, a more fundamental question, which is whether the organisation satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The main point of those guidelines is that a subject is generally considered notable enough to be the topic of a Wikipedia article if it has received substantial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, and an article needs to include references to such sources, to demonstrate notability. I have searched for such coverage, and failed. Most of what I found was clearly not independent of the organisation, and much of it was also not in reliable sources. For example, YouTube, X, or LinkedIn, etc is not usually to be regarded as a reliable source, as anyone can post more or less anything there.
- Writing a new article is one of the most difficult aspects of work for Wikipedia for a new editor, as there are so many requirements in the form of policies and guidelines which a new editor will be unlikely to know about them. (In my opinion there are far too many policies and guidelines, and they are all far too long and complicated, but we have to work with how things are, not how you or I think they should be.) My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. Obviously that advice is unlikely to appeal to you if you have no interest in editing in any way apart from using Wikipedia to publicise your organisation, increase recognition for what you regard as its good work, and seek donations, but in that case Wikipedia is not the right place to do it anyway. I'm afraid what I have said will not be very welcome to you, but I think it will be more helpful to you to let you know, to save you from putting in a lot more time and work which is likely to lead nowhere.
JBW (
talk)
09:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- appreciated.
- I feel like also I should have put something in the username box about me and my association with the subject? and elsewhere, when I get it together, I should simply make a brief mentioned of what ANSWERS stands for (the long name) and then just leave it at that? would that make more sense? Yes - I have noticed wikipedia has changed a fair bit since its early days. Thank you for the note. Appreciated. MonaPiece ( talk) 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, MonaPiece. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ edit COI}} template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. The user page you created was clearly promotional, so it has been deleted. JBW ( talk) 22:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- promoting a non profit that supports a marginalized group and is run by volunteers ... doesn't sound quite right to me. I was trying to be informative in my article.
- Would the following be better received?
- ANSWER Society
- ANSWER Society (Advocacy Normalizing Sex Work through Education and Resources Society) is a non-profit organization based in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Founded with the goal of supporting and advocating for sex workers, ANSWER Society plays a crucial role in promoting the decriminalization and destigmatization of sex work.
- Mission and Purpose
- ANSWER Society aims to achieve the following objectives:
- Integration and Acceptance:
- To create a community of sex workers that is fully integrated into modern-day society.
- To foster an environment where sex work is accepted, safe, respected, and afforded the same protections and entitlements as other professions within Canadian society.
- Services and Support:
- ANSWER Society provides essential services to sex workers:
- Bias Prevention Training: Breaking down stigmas and demystifying the sex work industry.
- Peer Support: Offering mentoring, education, and resources to sex workers.
- Advocacy: Promoting better living conditions, safer working conditions, and the decriminalization of sex work.
- Community Building and Collaboration:
- ANSWER Society actively collaborates with the public, community organizations, law enforcement, and all levels of government.
- By building positive and collaborative relationships, they work toward improving the quality of life for sex workers.
- Initiatives
- Bias Prevention Training:
- ANSWER Society conducts public training sessions called “Breaking Barriers: Understanding Sex Work.”
- These sessions demystify the sex work industry, challenge stigmas, and provide factual information.
- Advocacy for Decriminalization:
- ANSWER Society encourages individuals to write to their Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs) in support of the decriminalization of sex work.
- Their advocacy aims to reduce harm and improve the well-being of sex workers.
- How You Can Help
- Donations:
- Individuals can make one-time or ongoing donations to support ANSWER Society’s work.
- Donors can choose specific areas within the organization to allocate their contributions.
- Education and Awareness:
- ANSWER Society encourages everyone to learn about sex work by reading reliable sources and understanding the differences between sex trafficking, sexual exploitation, and consensual sex work.
- For more information, visit the 1. MonaPiece ( talk) 23:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will try to clarify some points about how Wikipedia works, in the hope of helping you better understand the situation relating to your dafts for an article.
- It is very common for people involved in an organisation which they regard as a good cause to assume that writing about what good work it does on Wikipedia will be an effective way of getting that organisation better known and increasing recognition of it. However, that is a misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia policy is that promotion of anything is not acceptable, whether it's for profit or not, and whether what is being promoted is a noble cause doing good work or not. The text which you have given above is still written in a way which reads like promotion of the organisation. Also Wikipedia policy requires an article to be written from a neutral point of view, and not to express opinions, whether those opinions may be good, bad, or neither, but nobody reading what you have written could fail to see that it was written by someone who holds a particular set of opinions; for example, the statement that the organisation "plays a crucial role" is expressing an opinion. Asking for donations is obviously unambiguous promotion.
- There is, however, a more fundamental question, which is whether the organisation satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The main point of those guidelines is that a subject is generally considered notable enough to be the topic of a Wikipedia article if it has received substantial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, and an article needs to include references to such sources, to demonstrate notability. I have searched for such coverage, and failed. Most of what I found was clearly not independent of the organisation, and much of it was also not in reliable sources. For example, YouTube, X, or LinkedIn, etc is not usually to be regarded as a reliable source, as anyone can post more or less anything there.
- Writing a new article is one of the most difficult aspects of work for Wikipedia for a new editor, as there are so many requirements in the form of policies and guidelines which a new editor will be unlikely to know about them. (In my opinion there are far too many policies and guidelines, and they are all far too long and complicated, but we have to work with how things are, not how you or I think they should be.) My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. Obviously that advice is unlikely to appeal to you if you have no interest in editing in any way apart from using Wikipedia to publicise your organisation, increase recognition for what you regard as its good work, and seek donations, but in that case Wikipedia is not the right place to do it anyway. I'm afraid what I have said will not be very welcome to you, but I think it will be more helpful to you to let you know, to save you from putting in a lot more time and work which is likely to lead nowhere.
JBW (
talk)
09:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- appreciated.
- I feel like also I should have put something in the username box about me and my association with the subject? and elsewhere, when I get it together, I should simply make a brief mentioned of what ANSWERS stands for (the long name) and then just leave it at that? would that make more sense? Yes - I have noticed wikipedia has changed a fair bit since its early days. Thank you for the note. Appreciated. MonaPiece ( talk) 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)