Messages left here may not be seen for months. Use e-mail if you absolutely must contact me.
If I have misused my magic powers in any way, this is the place to tell me.
Every page I protect is on the wrong version, of course, so to conserve valuable electrons, just leave a link to the page and a number from the list. Thanks.
If I accidentally protected a page to which I have made substantive edits, tell me here. I will unprotect it immediately.
Did I speedy-delete something that wasn't a candidate? Did I delete something for which there was no consensus to delete? Tell me here.
Hey, I seem to have been banned for 24 hours for breaking the 3RR... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist ... however it is clear I have only two reverts. I want to assume good faith, but i was unaware of the 1RR that I violated. There was no policy I violated that warranted a block. Thanks Nasrallah 207.44.180.48 03:01, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You could just use your account, whoever you are. Or I could ask a developer to do an IP cross-check; perhaps that would clear up some questions. —No-One Jones 04:23, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Are you asking my permission? Your activities are not under my control, mirv. How do you know so many things, so clearly, without proof? The question is DID i break 3RR, not maybe/maybe not he would've in the future, trust me. Nasrallah 65.29.84.147 07:42, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Your block expires 02:26, 10 Dec 2004. You can wait it out, you can go back to using whatever other account(s) you have, or you can continue complaining elsewhere. The last will probably be fruitless. This will be my last response to you. —No-One Jones 07:49, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What does this statement mean?
LOL. Come on, I can admit mistakes... Nasrallah 65.29.84.147 07:54, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Did I use the admin " rollback" feature on one of your edits without warning or explanation? Then I probably thought you were vandalizing, spamming, or otherwise editing in malice, and chances are good that you were: most of my rollbacks are of such edits. If you want to know why I reverted your edit, append your question to the end of this talk page.
I would be willing to help automate the deletion process. One problem is that, since I am not an administrator, I've never seen the HTML for the deletion form or known exactly how a page is deleted. This information is necessary for me to automate the deletion portion of the process. If the consensus is to keep an article, it's much simpler of course. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 22:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
My new automation script is now ready to use. As I mentioned earlier, I am not an administrator, so I want you to test the vfddelete() function on one of the articles to be deleted. It's rather easy to use, really. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 00:31, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I realized that something was wrong even before you sent me that message. I looked at your contributions. Allow me a few minutes to find out what's wrong. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 01:56, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I had just noticed a bug on the script and fixed it, if you hadn't already noticed. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 02:20, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Problem quickly resolved. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 02:37, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Script updated. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 03:05, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I've copied it into my own talk page; seems like a good idea for all administrators to have. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 02:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the license blurb on Image:Bouguereau venus detail.jpg. — Tkinias 02:51, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thank you very much for stopping by and pouring cold water on the warriors. I was about ready to give up on the whole mess, and it's only on the periphery of the main libertarian conflict. J. K. [[]] 06:25, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your addition -- I was just about to start accumulating the open proxy diffs. I've taken the liberty of reformatting it some and moving the comments (which I completely agree with) to talk. RadicalSubversiv E 10:33, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've completed the evidence enough to feel comfortable going to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, if you want to comment there. Thanks again for your help. RadicalSubversiv E 13:36, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Hi Mirv, User:Nasrallah has posted on my Talk: page that you have blocked him for violating the 3RR, and that he has not actually done so. From what I can see, he only reverted Yasser Arafat two times. These two edits appear to be his only edits. Was this blocking an error? Jayjg 03:09, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Mirv. I know even less about User:Nasrallah than you have already figured out. And I suspect he might have come to my page because I welcomed him on his own Talk: page. However, I still feel it is a violation of process to ban someone for violating a rule which they clearly have not violated, and we don't have a "ban suspected sockpuppets" rule that I'm aware of. I also note that you did not act nearly this precipitously with the User:Goldberg sockpuppet; I would be a little less troubled if I saw some consistency in your actions. (This note has been crossposted to my Talk: page as well). Jayjg 04:08, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'll make sure to signal my turns and drive 55 so as not to upset the drunk drivers. -- Alberuni 04:48, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You may need to have a talk with your fellow officers to standardize interpretation and enforcement of rules of the road. Please see my note to Deputy Ta bu. -- Alberuni 16:26, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Your block of
User:Blue This was totally unjustified! He was not doing anything to hurt Wikipedia, just trying to help out. Then you went and blocked this very valuable and innovative user! You owe all of Wikipedia an apostrophe apostasy apology for that!!!
Your friend, Bleu Cheese 05:19, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting my user pages. By the way, I blocked 195.92.194.12 for 2 hours for that and other vandalisms. -- Clockwork Soul 07:22, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Mirv, is there a way of figuring out if IP addresses are anonymizing proxies or something similar to that? I'm thinking of 195.7.55.146 in particular. Jayjg 16:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Golbez!
Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew and since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. Though you voted neutral at that time, I'd appreciate your vote on the new candidacy at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2. Ave atque vale!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:20, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Mirv!
Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew and since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. Though you voted neutral at that time, I'd appreciate your vote on the new candidacy at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2. Ave atque vale!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:20, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Happy birthday, Mirv! Best wishes. --[[User:Whosyourjudas| Whosyourjudas\ talk]] 01:45, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Heya, seeing as you're one of the editors who's been active trying to improve our deletion system, I wonder if you could have a look at my proposal. It still needs some fleshing out, so I'm not quite moving it into Wikipedia: or announcing it officially yet (it's hard enough to get people to eyeball these proposals once, I'd rather they do so when it's done), but I would like to get some comments from other people working with the current deletion system. Feel free to edit to your hearts content, as long as you leave the general idea behind it intact. Thanks in advance! -- fvw * 20:14, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
I've noticed that Mirv takes the trouble to check the Block log for wrongful blocking and other "maintenance" tasks. He also restored an "oppose" and comment to the election page when "Neutrality" wrongly deleted it because it was not in his favour. People should bear this in mind when deciding who to vote for as an arbitrator. WikiUser 17:05, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Could you please take a look at these diffs, [1] [2] [3], particularly the third, and consider whether Lady Tara should be blocked? CheeseDreams 20:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Aloha, Mirv. I just read your comment on Jayjg's page regarding blocking open proxies. You could probably save a little bit of time by using Mozilla Firefox instead of IE. Firefox has a free extension called SwitchProxy that will streamline your process. Instead of opening a new browser, you just open a new tab. And, while they both require four clicks to start a new proxy, the Firefox extension only requires one click to modify an existing entry, so after your initial setup you will be saving a great deal of time -- especially with the use of the SwitchProxy toolbar. I think you'll find that you'll be able to block twice as many IP's in the same space of time. -- Viriditas | Talk 04:48, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, could you possibly take a look at this and see whether you think these are sock puppets? If so, could you consider banning them for vandalism (and the use of sock puppets), so that, by use of the autoblocking, it becomes possible to work out who they really are?
Some of these IPs and accounts can be blocked on their own merits, regardless of whether they're sockpuppets or not; others should be watched carefully and blocked as sockpuppets if, for example, they appear out of nowhere to join in revert wars. —No-One Jones 20:52, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Does it count as abuse of adminship, if an admin, for example, Ta bu shi da yu, unlocked a page, e.g. Historicity of Jesus, then reverted it to a prior version, and continues to revert it everytime someone, for example me, makes edits?
CheeseDreams 13:56, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The following has occurred
I consider tag-team reversion wars to be wholly unfair and inappropriate I do not consider application of 3RR against me valid, The tag-team had made 5 reverts before I had even made 4.
Also, please see WP:AN on the validity of the non-reverted version
CheeseDreams 18:09, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Mirv, can I ask why you reverted by change to the Jimbo Wales page? He seems not to want this stuff referred to. He has deleted previous messages referring to it, and has explictly said others can do the same. It seems to me that if David, or anyone else, wants to set up a legal fund, they should e-mail him privately about that. Any public reference to the libel simply serves to spread it, in my view. Slim 22:24, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
I though I would change it into this
CheeseDreams 01:51, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You probably realize this has gone thru 2 more redirections to randomising page since your deletion. I don't think i'll attempt any repair/combat. -- Jerzy (t) 16:01, 2004 Dec 16 (UTC)
Messages left here may not be seen for months. Use e-mail if you absolutely must contact me.
If I have misused my magic powers in any way, this is the place to tell me.
Every page I protect is on the wrong version, of course, so to conserve valuable electrons, just leave a link to the page and a number from the list. Thanks.
If I accidentally protected a page to which I have made substantive edits, tell me here. I will unprotect it immediately.
Did I speedy-delete something that wasn't a candidate? Did I delete something for which there was no consensus to delete? Tell me here.
Hey, I seem to have been banned for 24 hours for breaking the 3RR... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist ... however it is clear I have only two reverts. I want to assume good faith, but i was unaware of the 1RR that I violated. There was no policy I violated that warranted a block. Thanks Nasrallah 207.44.180.48 03:01, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You could just use your account, whoever you are. Or I could ask a developer to do an IP cross-check; perhaps that would clear up some questions. —No-One Jones 04:23, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Are you asking my permission? Your activities are not under my control, mirv. How do you know so many things, so clearly, without proof? The question is DID i break 3RR, not maybe/maybe not he would've in the future, trust me. Nasrallah 65.29.84.147 07:42, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Your block expires 02:26, 10 Dec 2004. You can wait it out, you can go back to using whatever other account(s) you have, or you can continue complaining elsewhere. The last will probably be fruitless. This will be my last response to you. —No-One Jones 07:49, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What does this statement mean?
LOL. Come on, I can admit mistakes... Nasrallah 65.29.84.147 07:54, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Did I use the admin " rollback" feature on one of your edits without warning or explanation? Then I probably thought you were vandalizing, spamming, or otherwise editing in malice, and chances are good that you were: most of my rollbacks are of such edits. If you want to know why I reverted your edit, append your question to the end of this talk page.
I would be willing to help automate the deletion process. One problem is that, since I am not an administrator, I've never seen the HTML for the deletion form or known exactly how a page is deleted. This information is necessary for me to automate the deletion portion of the process. If the consensus is to keep an article, it's much simpler of course. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 22:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
My new automation script is now ready to use. As I mentioned earlier, I am not an administrator, so I want you to test the vfddelete() function on one of the articles to be deleted. It's rather easy to use, really. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 00:31, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I realized that something was wrong even before you sent me that message. I looked at your contributions. Allow me a few minutes to find out what's wrong. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 01:56, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I had just noticed a bug on the script and fixed it, if you hadn't already noticed. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 02:20, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Problem quickly resolved. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 02:37, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Script updated. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 03:05, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I've copied it into my own talk page; seems like a good idea for all administrators to have. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 02:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the license blurb on Image:Bouguereau venus detail.jpg. — Tkinias 02:51, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thank you very much for stopping by and pouring cold water on the warriors. I was about ready to give up on the whole mess, and it's only on the periphery of the main libertarian conflict. J. K. [[]] 06:25, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your addition -- I was just about to start accumulating the open proxy diffs. I've taken the liberty of reformatting it some and moving the comments (which I completely agree with) to talk. RadicalSubversiv E 10:33, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've completed the evidence enough to feel comfortable going to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, if you want to comment there. Thanks again for your help. RadicalSubversiv E 13:36, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Hi Mirv, User:Nasrallah has posted on my Talk: page that you have blocked him for violating the 3RR, and that he has not actually done so. From what I can see, he only reverted Yasser Arafat two times. These two edits appear to be his only edits. Was this blocking an error? Jayjg 03:09, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Mirv. I know even less about User:Nasrallah than you have already figured out. And I suspect he might have come to my page because I welcomed him on his own Talk: page. However, I still feel it is a violation of process to ban someone for violating a rule which they clearly have not violated, and we don't have a "ban suspected sockpuppets" rule that I'm aware of. I also note that you did not act nearly this precipitously with the User:Goldberg sockpuppet; I would be a little less troubled if I saw some consistency in your actions. (This note has been crossposted to my Talk: page as well). Jayjg 04:08, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'll make sure to signal my turns and drive 55 so as not to upset the drunk drivers. -- Alberuni 04:48, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You may need to have a talk with your fellow officers to standardize interpretation and enforcement of rules of the road. Please see my note to Deputy Ta bu. -- Alberuni 16:26, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Your block of
User:Blue This was totally unjustified! He was not doing anything to hurt Wikipedia, just trying to help out. Then you went and blocked this very valuable and innovative user! You owe all of Wikipedia an apostrophe apostasy apology for that!!!
Your friend, Bleu Cheese 05:19, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting my user pages. By the way, I blocked 195.92.194.12 for 2 hours for that and other vandalisms. -- Clockwork Soul 07:22, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Mirv, is there a way of figuring out if IP addresses are anonymizing proxies or something similar to that? I'm thinking of 195.7.55.146 in particular. Jayjg 16:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Golbez!
Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew and since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. Though you voted neutral at that time, I'd appreciate your vote on the new candidacy at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2. Ave atque vale!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:20, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Salve, Mirv!
Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew and since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. Though you voted neutral at that time, I'd appreciate your vote on the new candidacy at
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2. Ave atque vale!
PedanticallySpeaking 19:20, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Happy birthday, Mirv! Best wishes. --[[User:Whosyourjudas| Whosyourjudas\ talk]] 01:45, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Heya, seeing as you're one of the editors who's been active trying to improve our deletion system, I wonder if you could have a look at my proposal. It still needs some fleshing out, so I'm not quite moving it into Wikipedia: or announcing it officially yet (it's hard enough to get people to eyeball these proposals once, I'd rather they do so when it's done), but I would like to get some comments from other people working with the current deletion system. Feel free to edit to your hearts content, as long as you leave the general idea behind it intact. Thanks in advance! -- fvw * 20:14, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
I've noticed that Mirv takes the trouble to check the Block log for wrongful blocking and other "maintenance" tasks. He also restored an "oppose" and comment to the election page when "Neutrality" wrongly deleted it because it was not in his favour. People should bear this in mind when deciding who to vote for as an arbitrator. WikiUser 17:05, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Could you please take a look at these diffs, [1] [2] [3], particularly the third, and consider whether Lady Tara should be blocked? CheeseDreams 20:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Aloha, Mirv. I just read your comment on Jayjg's page regarding blocking open proxies. You could probably save a little bit of time by using Mozilla Firefox instead of IE. Firefox has a free extension called SwitchProxy that will streamline your process. Instead of opening a new browser, you just open a new tab. And, while they both require four clicks to start a new proxy, the Firefox extension only requires one click to modify an existing entry, so after your initial setup you will be saving a great deal of time -- especially with the use of the SwitchProxy toolbar. I think you'll find that you'll be able to block twice as many IP's in the same space of time. -- Viriditas | Talk 04:48, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, could you possibly take a look at this and see whether you think these are sock puppets? If so, could you consider banning them for vandalism (and the use of sock puppets), so that, by use of the autoblocking, it becomes possible to work out who they really are?
Some of these IPs and accounts can be blocked on their own merits, regardless of whether they're sockpuppets or not; others should be watched carefully and blocked as sockpuppets if, for example, they appear out of nowhere to join in revert wars. —No-One Jones 20:52, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Does it count as abuse of adminship, if an admin, for example, Ta bu shi da yu, unlocked a page, e.g. Historicity of Jesus, then reverted it to a prior version, and continues to revert it everytime someone, for example me, makes edits?
CheeseDreams 13:56, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The following has occurred
I consider tag-team reversion wars to be wholly unfair and inappropriate I do not consider application of 3RR against me valid, The tag-team had made 5 reverts before I had even made 4.
Also, please see WP:AN on the validity of the non-reverted version
CheeseDreams 18:09, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Mirv, can I ask why you reverted by change to the Jimbo Wales page? He seems not to want this stuff referred to. He has deleted previous messages referring to it, and has explictly said others can do the same. It seems to me that if David, or anyone else, wants to set up a legal fund, they should e-mail him privately about that. Any public reference to the libel simply serves to spread it, in my view. Slim 22:24, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
I though I would change it into this
CheeseDreams 01:51, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You probably realize this has gone thru 2 more redirections to randomising page since your deletion. I don't think i'll attempt any repair/combat. -- Jerzy (t) 16:01, 2004 Dec 16 (UTC)