Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks. -- Argon233 T C @ ∉ 22:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
You said: "I've been blocked by you for relevant that I have put up. You also use the phrase multiple vandalsim with me. I want someone to explain to me why putting a link to a site that is directly on point can be construed as vandalism. Most of the links are either samples of what the topic is or a more detailed explanation of the definition. Can you please explain this to me?"
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I can see that you're interested in adding external links to our articles on law-related topics. Your enthusiasm and support for this project is gratifying. In order for you, your firm (Miller and Zois), and Wikipedia to continue to enjoy a happy, productive, and mutually beneficial relationship, it would be great if you could keep a few points in mind.
Please use article and user talk pages to discuss edits that are contested. In general, if a link is removed by other editors, you probably shouldn't put it back.
To take a couple of examples, in Magnetic resonance imaging, you have added a link three times without discussion: [1], [2], [3]. The target of the link ( http://www.millerandzois.com/herniated-disc-injury-attorney.html) is of limited use in the context of the article, as it doesn't show any of the images or data on which the reports are based.
In Collateral source rule, the linked pages at http://www.millerandzois.com/Collateral_Source_Rule.html doesn't expand appreciably on the information already present in our article.
On the other hand, some of the links added are – at first blush – potentially quite relevant and useful. In in limine, for instance, a link to a selection of real in limine motions seems to be on point and interesting primary source material.
Please be aware that it is extremely easy to monitor the addition of external links to Wikipedia articles. Please also be aware that Wikipedia maintains a spam blacklist that allows us, where necessary, to block the insertion of all outgoing links to a particular web site; I am, of course, confident that such blacklisting won't be made necessary.
Welcome, again, to Wikipedia. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 22:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "My User Name is Mike Teflon - I have been adding some links from a commerical site. But they are not advertising. My site's primary purpose is to educate other attorneys. It is one of the leading sites on the Interent in this regard. Could you please look through the site it is at Miller & Zois. Thanks."
This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Yamla 18:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "No, it says normally to be avoided. Can we agree on this? If not, show me where it says it is specifically prohibited. I think this is completely unfair. You are taking down a link not available elsewhere on the web that would be of interest to users. Should this not be the test? Can you please tell me how I go about protesting this if you will not reconsider? Take a look at the topic. Take a look at the overall context. I'm sure you are a nice guy and, like you say, you can't pick up tone on the Internet. But I don't think you flip response is correct or fair to us or the readers of Wikipedia."
You said: "The Wikilawyering comment is not appropriate. You can't call logic and reasoning Wiklawyering. It is not fair. You point to the "spirit" of the policies. I agree this is what should be controlling. Yet your initial comment makes no reference to "spirit" of the policies. Read the category. Look at the link. And then tell me it is inappropriate. I realize and appreciate the power you derive from all of this. But, in my humblest of opinions, it might not be the worst idea to allow the best interest of the readers to trump your desire to assert your power."
You said: "Okay, and I'm not trying to make a federal case out of this. But I don't like being treated like some sort of spammer. Google something like sample deposition or sample interrogatories. We are first on the internet on these things. Why? Because we are the only law firm who offers this kind of stuff for free. So I'm trying to add some of this material into Wikipedia but only the stuff that I have screened to make sure there is no commerical message of any kind and that it is truly suitable for the topic at hand. You raising the spirt of the rules I think was appropriate - I am trying to operate within the spirit of the rules. And I feel like your knee jerk reaction is commerical website=spam. But in this case, it is far from it."
What you did to that page was to add a citation. The link is obviously a reliable source. It's still to your site (obviously) so it's not absolutely in keeping with the policy but I'm not complaining about the link. :) It adds useful information to the article. It may still be better to add it as an external link, mind you, because it seems to me that the link would appeal more broadly than just to people in Maryland. -- Yamla 01:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "Could you help me out? Because while I appreciate what you suggest, I have no idea how to do it. By the way, take a few minutes and look around the Internet. The stuff we are making available no one else is making available. It is not that hard to do, but no one is doing it."
You said: " http://www.millerandzois.com/malpractice-complaint-medical.html This is the link to a sample medical malpractice complaint. Again, someone is looking to Wikipedia for medical malpractice information is looking for basic stuff. This is the legal document that initates any medical malpractice case. There a million (I exaggerate, of course) medical malpractice cases filed every year. Yet google "sample medical malpractice complaint." Besides ours, which is first search result, it is hard to find another one. We are really the only ones providing legal education of this sort using this medium. Thanks, Yamla."
Hi, I thought I should step outside the discussion about the Miller & Zois links for a moment to address a technical matter. On Wikipedia talk/discussion pages, there are a few style conventions of which you should be aware. Applying those conventions will help others to follow discussions, and will make it more likely that your comments will be both seen and understood in context.
== New section title == Message starts here....
The instructions at Help:Talk page have more details and examples. Thanks, TenOfAllTrades( talk) 02:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks. -- Argon233 T C @ ∉ 22:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
You said: "I've been blocked by you for relevant that I have put up. You also use the phrase multiple vandalsim with me. I want someone to explain to me why putting a link to a site that is directly on point can be construed as vandalism. Most of the links are either samples of what the topic is or a more detailed explanation of the definition. Can you please explain this to me?"
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I can see that you're interested in adding external links to our articles on law-related topics. Your enthusiasm and support for this project is gratifying. In order for you, your firm (Miller and Zois), and Wikipedia to continue to enjoy a happy, productive, and mutually beneficial relationship, it would be great if you could keep a few points in mind.
Please use article and user talk pages to discuss edits that are contested. In general, if a link is removed by other editors, you probably shouldn't put it back.
To take a couple of examples, in Magnetic resonance imaging, you have added a link three times without discussion: [1], [2], [3]. The target of the link ( http://www.millerandzois.com/herniated-disc-injury-attorney.html) is of limited use in the context of the article, as it doesn't show any of the images or data on which the reports are based.
In Collateral source rule, the linked pages at http://www.millerandzois.com/Collateral_Source_Rule.html doesn't expand appreciably on the information already present in our article.
On the other hand, some of the links added are – at first blush – potentially quite relevant and useful. In in limine, for instance, a link to a selection of real in limine motions seems to be on point and interesting primary source material.
Please be aware that it is extremely easy to monitor the addition of external links to Wikipedia articles. Please also be aware that Wikipedia maintains a spam blacklist that allows us, where necessary, to block the insertion of all outgoing links to a particular web site; I am, of course, confident that such blacklisting won't be made necessary.
Welcome, again, to Wikipedia. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 22:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "My User Name is Mike Teflon - I have been adding some links from a commerical site. But they are not advertising. My site's primary purpose is to educate other attorneys. It is one of the leading sites on the Interent in this regard. Could you please look through the site it is at Miller & Zois. Thanks."
This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Yamla 18:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "No, it says normally to be avoided. Can we agree on this? If not, show me where it says it is specifically prohibited. I think this is completely unfair. You are taking down a link not available elsewhere on the web that would be of interest to users. Should this not be the test? Can you please tell me how I go about protesting this if you will not reconsider? Take a look at the topic. Take a look at the overall context. I'm sure you are a nice guy and, like you say, you can't pick up tone on the Internet. But I don't think you flip response is correct or fair to us or the readers of Wikipedia."
You said: "The Wikilawyering comment is not appropriate. You can't call logic and reasoning Wiklawyering. It is not fair. You point to the "spirit" of the policies. I agree this is what should be controlling. Yet your initial comment makes no reference to "spirit" of the policies. Read the category. Look at the link. And then tell me it is inappropriate. I realize and appreciate the power you derive from all of this. But, in my humblest of opinions, it might not be the worst idea to allow the best interest of the readers to trump your desire to assert your power."
You said: "Okay, and I'm not trying to make a federal case out of this. But I don't like being treated like some sort of spammer. Google something like sample deposition or sample interrogatories. We are first on the internet on these things. Why? Because we are the only law firm who offers this kind of stuff for free. So I'm trying to add some of this material into Wikipedia but only the stuff that I have screened to make sure there is no commerical message of any kind and that it is truly suitable for the topic at hand. You raising the spirt of the rules I think was appropriate - I am trying to operate within the spirit of the rules. And I feel like your knee jerk reaction is commerical website=spam. But in this case, it is far from it."
What you did to that page was to add a citation. The link is obviously a reliable source. It's still to your site (obviously) so it's not absolutely in keeping with the policy but I'm not complaining about the link. :) It adds useful information to the article. It may still be better to add it as an external link, mind you, because it seems to me that the link would appeal more broadly than just to people in Maryland. -- Yamla 01:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
You said: "Could you help me out? Because while I appreciate what you suggest, I have no idea how to do it. By the way, take a few minutes and look around the Internet. The stuff we are making available no one else is making available. It is not that hard to do, but no one is doing it."
You said: " http://www.millerandzois.com/malpractice-complaint-medical.html This is the link to a sample medical malpractice complaint. Again, someone is looking to Wikipedia for medical malpractice information is looking for basic stuff. This is the legal document that initates any medical malpractice case. There a million (I exaggerate, of course) medical malpractice cases filed every year. Yet google "sample medical malpractice complaint." Besides ours, which is first search result, it is hard to find another one. We are really the only ones providing legal education of this sort using this medium. Thanks, Yamla."
Hi, I thought I should step outside the discussion about the Miller & Zois links for a moment to address a technical matter. On Wikipedia talk/discussion pages, there are a few style conventions of which you should be aware. Applying those conventions will help others to follow discussions, and will make it more likely that your comments will be both seen and understood in context.
== New section title == Message starts here....
The instructions at Help:Talk page have more details and examples. Thanks, TenOfAllTrades( talk) 02:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)