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Why does information on Pure Hemp (which, by the way is the world's FIRST 100% hemp cigarette paper) keep getting deleted, while brand new brands like RAW have boastful ads in the place of encylopedic information?

Users keep deleting any non-large brands. Pure Hemp is already covered under the Smoking / Miquel & Costas pages so there is no need to cover them again. Many brands have been deleted from that section as well. I take it from your few posts that you work for Pure Hemp - please don't try to use Wiki to promote your brands if that is the case.

Love your current quote of the week! — Scien tizzle 20:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC) reply

It seems as though there was a problem with my email during the last couple days, so did not receive emails sent until about 12:00PM EST today. It seems to be fine now, but if you sent me an email before then, please resend and know that that's why I have not replied :)

Tuesday or Wednesday would probably be a good day to transclude the request, schedule-wise, so let me know how it's going. Leebo ^T/ C 01:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm sure you probably disagree with the article I was constructing, but I'm not sure why that makes it deletion material. If it was the puppy part, that was just me being humorous. You could have just asked me to remove that section. So why did you delete it, and what can I do to post it whilst making you happy?

Retrop1111 09:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

With all due respect, I had less than 7 seconds (i.e., an arbitrarily short length of time) to start making citations. All of the claims I made were going to be cited. I have a degree in philosophy, for which I specialized in the philosophy of science and biomedical ethics. I do not have a degree in working at the speed of light. Retrop1111 09:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure why an article concerning the widely accepted ethical implications of Darwinian theory is unencyclopedic, but if you say so. For the record, though, I have several encyclopedias of philosophy (some of which are written by a single individual, such as Antony Flew), and they are replete with similar listings. Retrop1111 10:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your help. I'll do my best to bring the article up to the wikipedia standards.

Retrop1111 10:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Ed Dubois

Hi This was a start :) Dubois is one of the world's leading yacht designers - notable in both racing yachts and superyachts. A very accomplished man. I'll put more there when I get a minute. WildDziadek 11:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello Merope. Just a quick note to say thank you for the Barnstar. As you may be able to tell I am adding the episode summaries as I am rewatching the series so I should be finished in a few days. The pleasure of seeing this fine series again has now been enhanced by the award that you have presented to me so thanks again and happy editing :) MarnetteD | Talk 23:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I did not threating no one and I was on a Wikibreak so you hqve the wrong guy you see I gave a guy in school my password because I thought I could trust so I believe he did this 75.90.167.193 14:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules2 reply

I believe you are lying

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Hi I noticed when checking today's page history in Scottish music articles that a user has twice been reverted or deleted with the accusation of vandalism. I do not know what was on the page you deleted but you suggest "cut and paste" vandalism and a comment on the user's talk page called it a hoax. I also notice that the users edit to the article The Don (song) was subsequently reverted as vandalism by User:Chappy84 -perhaps taking the lead from the other article action. Now "The Don" edit was a good faith edit as far as I can see although not especially needed in the article and arguably not correctly licensed tagged (photo of a 7 inch single to illustrate unusual colour). It was certainly not intentional vandalism.

It seems to me a new user has been called a vandal twice and a hoaxer - unless I am missing something where is "assume good faith". I have no idea who Baarskaagaard is and I suppose something might have been obvious from the Traffic Cops page you deleted that but it is a UK single by Calvin Harris and fits in with the users surrounding edits today. Could you (as deleting admin) check the users contributions and talk page in case they need friendly advice rather than a sledgehammer?

Apologies if there is any history here I am unaware. Citizensmith 19:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Update Chappy84 informs me that the Calvin Harris related info was false and that the user had faked the record cover in his opinion. If they really went to that length then I guess they might have also deliberately added an intentionally unclear but genuine image of a single in the other edit which would make it vandalism (if subtle) rather than just a newbie I guess... Citizensmith 20:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC) reply

It is here: WP:NC-ZH (Under the section of Taiwan, ROC... something like that).-- Jerry 15:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey..you deleted my article called 'DarkMindZ'

I know you probably thought it was spam, but it wasn't! Me and some others were still working on it, it's more about telling people about the group's achievements, history, and so on. It's not spam, I promise!

I will try to make the article again. Please give me a chance, and don't delete it :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfrat ( talk • contribs)

OK, but the article was more about the group than the site anyway. I will try to make it 'notable' anyway.

Yeah, I get that. It's just that the locked template is unsightly and does more to draw attention to the discussion than to dismiss it. I think that you and Michaelas10 thoroughly defused the situation even without the templates :) ˉˉ ^anetode ╦╩ 15:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi I understand the reason for speedy deletion. Please can you assist in creating a non-advertising article on this? Thanks, Cookie Monster 15:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC) reply

When i reported ip 76.83.198.185 for vandalism yo uremoved it saying there was no recent vandalism but if you look at the edit he did yesterday on Cole Hawkins under external links you will find a sexualy explict addition that is not factual and considering that his final warning was on the 14th and he had a history of secualy explict vansalism of actors i belive that this ip should be banned but i will respect your decisions a moderator ChrisLamb 17:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Dear Merope, I hope this is the talk page where I am allowed to make inquieries. I very recently posted an article giving a description of my fraternity. I believe you deleted it due to "notability". I am wondering what needs to be done in order to ensure that our page can remain. It is notable in our universities eyes, and the hundred of members who have circulated through it. originally founded by WWII veterans, and has provided countless hours of community service.I appreciate your response, and thanks for your time. Have a nice day. p.s. Zelda is sweet

:)

I kinda didn't want to point it out after having just said the thing about the footnotes.

Stardancer791 14:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Now I can exact my will with instant gratification! Still haven't blocked anyone... one step at a time, I guess. Leebo ^T/ C 22:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure if it interest you or not. But if it does please support Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Language_movement for making Language movement a featured article. Tarif from Bangladesh 07:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Mrs Merope

I'd like to know why you deleted my aricle. (QuadSearch) It was a presentation of a metasearch engine.

I think that a visiting user that wants to know about metasearch engines, metasearching and/or information retrieval would like to read it. It's another metasearch engine and I was about to add some scientific references tothe article.

Wikipedia has many similar articles e.g. for dogpile, metacrawler etc. Was my article something different?

Lakritidis 15:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Why did you delete the article SheSays? It was a relevant article and a

stub.-- 80.109.98.103 17:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello Merope,

You recently deleted the page on Terry Borman as I was creating it. I feel this was an error as he is a well known and well respected current violin maker.

He has published many articles of interest in the world of violins including articles in Strad Magazine, The Violin Society of America Journal, and the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America.

He is one of the most respected contemporary makers and his instruments are owned by numerous performers listed on Wikipedia including Kyung-Wha Chung, Jaime Laredo, Pamela Frank and Pinchas Zukerman.

He was one of only a handful of makers from around the world invited to the International Violin Competition of Indianapolis 2007 to show his instruments.

He is conducting cutting edge research into the acoustics of historical instruments with acousticians around the world.

Additionally, he is working with dendochronologists around the world to examine the wood densities of historical instruments.

All this research is being conducted in order to improve the construction of current instruments.

There are numerous other contemporary makers who have pages on wikipedia, many of whom do not have nearly the credentials of Mr. Borman. Why was he singled out for deletion?

Thank you -- Aintmo 17:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I disagree and I think you deleted too quickly.

The journals in question do not keep past issues on their sites, so the original articles are all published on a page on Terry's website. Clicking on the links brings up the original articles from the magazines and journals in pdf format.

The internal links linked to 4 other Wikipedia pages of top international violinists who own and perform on his instruments.

It took me 45 minutes to create that page and all that work is now gone. I would ask that you read more carefully and check all the links before you delete so quickly.

Why does that link violate copyright? Stan weller 18:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I believe the owner of that site has permission to use the lyrics. That's why there aren't any adverts on the lyric pages themselves. Stan weller 19:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

{{ helpme}} I am the worst admin ever. I can't remember how to do a search for all the articles that contain certain weblinks. Help? -- Merope 18:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, merope. I'll get back to you in just a sec... *Cremepuff 222* 18:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi. Do you mean Special:Linksearch? -- KFP ( talk | contribs) 18:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Dang, KFP beat me to it... :) *Cremepuff 222* 18:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

YES. Yes, I do. Man, I'm dumb. Thanks! -- Merope 18:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

We weren't using the "Honky Tonk Women" link for the lyrics, but for the factoid at the top concerning Brian Jones' replacement on the recording. Can we keep that as a source? Stan weller 00:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Though it's from a while ago, I'd still like to know why it was deleted. Thanks! Sophy's Duckling 05:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I am trying to list connexion technologies in wikipedia. My short post has been deleted. The competitors of connexion already have wiki pages. Why are these allowed and not ours?

For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon Mfk9019 18:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

why did you delete DJ Dream? there are many DJ's in wikipedia and he is one of the best known DJ's from the USA similar to Grand Mastter Flash, DJ Shadow or Tiesto... so why delete?

This article was created at around 10am Mountain Standard Time and deleted shortly thereafter. We respect the principles of NPOV and preventing conflicts of interest. In keeping with that, we are willing to submit a copy of the proposed content of the article to an administrator or editor at Wikipedia for review. We will make whatever changes are necessary to ensure an objective article. Would this be acceptable?

Sumisu-san 20:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi,

I am trying to get the page Merchant Warehouse approved. I am not really sure why it is being rejected. Could you please advice?

Thanks,

Ghalvard 20:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

tu eres una superestralla, gracias! Cholga 00:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for handling the above-noted WP:ANI report so quickly. It wasn't my intention to have him warned for 3RR, though; the report was made in hopes of avoiding the need for one in the first place. — Psychonaut 14:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Regarding your comment about watchlisting, you may want to consider adding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roma Virtual Network, which concerns (or rather, is supposed to concern) the notability of a set of Yahoo! Groups mailing lists created by Novoselsky Valery. So far there have been no personal attacks or incivility, though some editors are making racially-grounded arguments, and I fear they may develop into the same sort of behaviour witnessed on the Bangová and Valery AfDs. — Psychonaut 08:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I see I spoke too soon. User:Valery novoselsky has alleged racism and has urged subscribers to the Roma Virtual Network to register on Wikipedia to vote—see Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Roma Virtual Network. :( What are your thoughts on how this should be handled, if at all? — Psychonaut 10:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Dear merope, I am writing in regards to an article about my fraternity which you deleted due to notability.This group of brothers really wants to see the page remain active, and i am attempting to find the best route to take. I wish to run this by you for noteworthyness. We are a group founded by WWII veterans at the university of redlands. Now We have alumni who are gulf war veterans, as well as multiple alumni who are currently doing service in Iraq. they are members of the U.S. marine core, and the Elite Army Rangers. This brotherhood truly founds that to be a unique and noteworthy note. If referenced, would that be sufficient to keep the page active? Thanks very much for your response, i look forward to hearing back from you. Skarangermuffintop 16:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, you defaced my Wikiproject Punk Box, anti-spam note and humourous bar here. Claiming that it was in violation of policies... I've already shown [1] [2] how non of them are in violation of any of Wikipedia's policies at all. If you feel otherwise please show me a reference to any policy where it claims such things are not allowed. - The Daddy 19:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Why did you revert your addition to the block log? It seems in order, although I would include a diff to his talk page where you notified him and gave the specifics. Thatcher131 19:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Deathrocker

He just told me he was off his ArbCom probation. This seems weird. He said that he was on probation for a year and ended in May. But Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker#Enforcement by block Deathrocker says it passed on June 27, which means 5 days from now, his probation will end. Am I correct in assuming this? In fact, I never even saw the word "only for a year", on his ArbCom page, I just assumed good faith and took his word for it. Very confusing. — Moe ε 19:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Meh, I think you're fine, although I think the you have new messages' box should be left alone. It is his userspace and theres no policy, nor even a guideline anymore, about the UI spoofing. The ArbCom block seems to be justified though. — Moe ε 19:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Eww, sorry to get this into a mess :( Riana (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Btw Moreschi has gone offline for the day, may need to get someone else to have a look at it (although at this point I'm seriously starting to doubt the guy will listen to anyone sensible). Have to duck out of here too, I'll check progress in a few hours' time. Take care, Riana (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Me too Riana :/ — Moe ε 20:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Pffft. How else was I going to spend my Friday afternoon?  :) -- Merope 20:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

* Chills* — Moe ε 20:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Screw it, I quit. He's blocked for a month, let him tilt at windmills all he likes. Another admin said the block was just; I'll just bow out. -- Merope 20:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

So is the wonky-ness of my browser gone? — Moe ε 20:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Better yet! Whenever you can't align two, you destroy one. :) — Moe ε 20:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

One of my past quotes of the week was "There is no problem so big or complicated that it can't be blown up." I live by this philosophy. -- Merope 20:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

By mentioning this entire thing on AN/I, I'm beginning to think I'm living on that philosophy too. Love that sig, lol. Moe Epsilon 20:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

How convenient, like no one saw that coming. Yeah, I'm terribly intreged by this as well, ever since I started removing the Fair Use images that started this, I knew something about him was wrong. I didn't even know it was Deathrocker to begin with! Had I known, I probably would have warned him about his violation of parole before he broke it *shrugs* can't go back in time now.. — Moe ε 20:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, seemed a little dickish, even for me :) — Moe ε 20:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Lol, a wiki-beer, you'd get a little drunk for me, how sweet of you :) — Moe ε 21:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

*laughs* Moe-lling It sounds like a disease. See you later! :) — Moe ε 21:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm a bit confused. He was blocked for asking why a Romani activist shouldn't have an article while some panhandler should? I'm afraid I fail to see what exactly is inflammatory in that edit. Please let me know. -- Kuaichik 00:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I mean, he asked whether "(t)he stereotypes and prejudices prevail," but is this really a personal attack? -- Kuaichik 00:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I laughed my head off at 'I like tall women because they can carry me'. Actually I'm laughing again... this site keeps me amused :) Riana (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Not sure you consider yourself an expert but maybe you know: Is it a valid fair use reason to use a photo of a book by an artist on the article about the artist rather than about the book? RJFJR 19:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

ShareStation wasn't advertising, it was only an explanation of the word. It's a common word used around the web and should be declared in wikipedia!

i was making an article about my band, The Empirical (as i named the article). and it said that you deleted it before i was done editing it, why did you delete it?

Lobsteboy80 20:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

i guess i cant just make an article just so my band has an article, allowing others to hear and listen to us

No really, you do! :) User:Moe Epsilon/Sandbox1 - add any you see to this list and I will make a MFD later, maybe, pending on how I want to appraoch the situation. — Moe ε 20:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, at least the fakes are not that annoying orange now, right? :) Yeah, an MFD might bring unwanted users and some backlash towards me, but I might have nothing to loose by doing it. Actually, I have a strong feeling that most of the pages that I have listed would get deleted. Except for one/two admins on the list, most of the users are indef blocked, aren't using the joke bar anymore, or left Wikipedia. Thanks for being there for me :) — Moe ε 21:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Ugh... I hate those things, and have successfully persuaded a few editors to remove them. Let me know when you've made your MfD. — Psychonaut 21:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Why has the link to the third-party transcript of the Paul Watkins appearance on Larry King Live been left at the page? The transcript that has been deleted was my own. John B of Philadelphia 23:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Footnoting has been disrupted. John B of Philadelphia 23:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

please tell me how the hell to get a page about a business on here. All I tried to do was inform people about a business I discovered, and all YOU do is delete it. I'm not a part of the company, I don't see any advertising on the page, and yet you insist on kicking it off.

By the way, you deleted my Closet Tailors page twice now. VladimirGotShot 00:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I reversed an edit you made in the above article, but perhaps (upon general browsing) I am behind the WP times here, based on the general massacre of interesting graphic-based articles that seems to be going on right now, whether such images have direct relevance to the article subject or not.

So, please do feel free to revert my edit if this puritanical approach to images really is WP policy right now, but please do let me know (if such is the case) exactly which pending legal case has provoked such an onslaught of Cromwellian desperation with respect to fair-use images intended to achieve nothing but enhance an encyclopedia without prejudice to extraneous commercial interests. A personal note or something in Talk:The Smiths would be great. Many thanks in advance.-- DaveG12345 01:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Whats going on asshole. Why did you decide to delete my Darkness Dragon article? If this happens again I'll find every article you have ever written or even contributed to & delete them myself.

I ask again: why has the link to the third-party transcript of the Watkins appearance on CNN's Larry King Live been left at the page? There is no possibility the transcript is a CNN product. It appears at the Manson Family Today website, where whoever posted it states (at its conclusion) that he or she "typed it on [his or her] laptop as [he or she] watched the show."

The partial transcript that has been deleted from the Wikipedia page was my own work -- as is demonstrated by its few, minor differences from the linked transcript. It was a valuable part of the article; it connected the Watkins appearance with information in his autobiography. Twenty years after the Manson crimes, Watkins was obviously disturbed by the call that came in to Larry King Live from the once-Family-member. The partial transcript made this clear. Without it, the article's final section -- "CNN Interview" -- has no meaning.

My question restated: If there are no copyright concerns associated with a link to a third party's full transcript of the broadcast, why may the Wikipedia article not contain a Wikipedia contributor's own partial transcript that has been included for a specific point?

In assembling the article, incidentally, I searched the CNN website for a transcript. I'm pretty sure I saw one there a year or two ago, but it didn't turn up in the search. -- John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA John B of Philadelphia 18:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Your reply is unsatisfactory.

I am going to re-post my transcript of the conversation that took place among Watkins, Maureen Reagan, and "Jenny." As I have indicated, the transcript is a partial one that reveals that a significant event in the Manson Family's history occurred during the broadcast. Accordingly, use of it is fair.

I will search CNN's website one more time for a full transcript. If, again, I do not find it, I will link again to the third-party transcript, which reveals the context of the "Jenny" call. I will also link to one of the three YouTube video clips that were previously posted as "External Links" at the page. Clip 2 of the three picks up with the material I transcribed; that is the one I will link. -- John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA John B of Philadelphia 01:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, true -- the "historic significance" thing (re the transcript of the Watkins CNN appearance) is a bit weak; but I thought I'd give it a try. Anyway -- thanks for the reply. -- John Bonaccorsi John B of Philadelphia 05:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Please explain why you deleted my article, Cake Decorating.

Thank you,

Michael 06:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry about earlier, I have replied to you by e-mail. — Moe 01:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Whoever proposed the Margita Bangová article for speedy deletion has a point. It's been censored to the point where it no longer gives any indication as to why she is notable. (Some editors have removed all material in the article sourced by the Sun as "bogus", and are rather adamant that it stay out.) — Psychonaut 13:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I understand. I am hesitant to get into an edit war about this, but I think the stripping of legitimate sources and attempts to restore "NPOV" are just a way to acheive a backdoor deletion of sorts. I'll look it over today, perhaps -- I'm leaving for vacation tonight so I can just edit it and run away.  :) -- Merope 13:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't want to get into an edit war either, which is why I reverted only once. But there's no sense in keeping the article as it currently stands, as it cleary doesn't meet WP:N. Having failed to persuade the community that the article as it was orginally written did not meet Wikipedia's standards, certain editors have now completely rewritten the article so that it now very obviously doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards. There is doubtless some policy against such circumvention of the rules, but I'm not sure what it is. BTW, there's more about this at User talk:David Gerard#AFD closure. — Psychonaut 14:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I completely agree. Also, when one begins a controversial edit like that by mentioning civility and etiquette policies and warning against trolls, it's clear that the person knows he's going against consensus and wants to appear the honorable party. I've reverted the edit and left a couple of notes on the talk page. We'll see what happens. -- Merope 14:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Well put. — Psychonaut 14:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi,

I tried to submit a generic company information so that it was information and not a self promotion. I have edited my submission down to the bare bones and it keeps getting deleted. Please allow me to post my information without it being deleted. I have written even less than "Akademiks" has for their submission yet I keep having mine deleted. Is there a way you can reinstate my submission?

Sburkowski 17:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I left a message with Steve and the administrators asking what was wrong, can you help me? Same message below....

Wikipedia is a Great Site!! I have only been a user for a couple of weeks so I am just starting to understand all the abilities and requirements for posting. I created a page then started to edit it on line and it was removed for copy right violations so I created the page in "Windows Note Pad" and then copied and pasted it from note pad to the page creation box and again it was deleted for copy right violation.

Am I doing something wrong?

I looked at several other pages on the Professional certification page and followed there examples. Below is another version of the page that I would like to create but I wanted to check before I posted it and got blocked from adding/editing pages to the site.

Nortel Certifications in Network computing, is an Information Technology ( IT) professional certification on Nortel products and IEEE standard technologies. The Nortel Certification tests are administered by a Prometric test center. Nortel Training is accomplished by Nortel training partners like Global Knowledge.

External links

• Official WebSite

was it ok to include here for review??? If there is something wrong with the page could you let me know so I can change it?

Thanks PassportDude 13:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply