feel free
Re this edit comment "Smokefoot deleted information referencing scientific studies because he personally does not like MIT not because of any valid reason " I do like MIT. So where this remark coming from? Seems uncollegial.
It has been a year since I edited that article, so my memory is fuzzy.
About the MIT part: In general I and many editors are wary (and weary) of edits that rely on argument by authority vs stating facts by relying on a nice reliable source. So citing MIT is kind of like "Daddy said so.." type thing. The other, even more practical reason to avoid writing "MIT said so" is that otherwise many, many articles would be encumbered/encrusted with Univ of XYZ claims this and Institute of ABC found this. One descends into a strutting game. For example, look at this article Vinyl chloride. Vinyl chloride is really dangerous. The article does not lean on any institutional claims.
Finally, probably someone should question how the recent edit inserted in a comment that SO2F2 is an "acute neurotoxin" into the lede. Seems like a chemophobic maybe even alt-fact thing to say.-- Smokefoot ( talk) 20:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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@ Smokefoot: On your talk page your response to me was " most of the world does not give a hoot about MIT-based anything. " which sounds like a personal opinion. My bad for the uncollegial edit comment. Regardless you can't just delete references to scientific studies because you don't like them.
I think its fine to rephrase the language so it doesn't sound like "MIT says so". But just rephrase the edit next time instead of deleting it outright. And MIT wasn't making an institutional claim they were reporting on research based evidence not conjecture or opinion.
Regarding acute neurotoxin, I didn't contribute that edit, but see this publication [1] on page 28:
"At non-lethal concentrations, neurotoxicity was observed in rats, mice, rabbits, and dogs. With acute to 2 weeks of exposures, clinical signs observed in these species included tremors, lethargy, respiratory effects, incapacitation, tetany, and convulsions. At the lowestobserved effect level, animals treated with sulfuryl fluoride for two weeks showed tissue damage in the kidney (rats), brain (rabbits, mice), and respiratory tract (rabbits and dogs). Available oral and dermal toxicity studies did not provide sufficient data for toxicity evaluation"
I'm not a chemist or expert on chemicals but that sounds reason enough to call it an acute neurotoxin to me. Meaningzone ( talk) 20:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Please stop your
disruptive editing. If you continue to remove speedy deletion notices from pages you created yourself, as you did at
Ryder Ripps, you may be
blocked from editing.
Ammarpad (
talk)
13:36, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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Ammarpad: hey what are you talking about? I didn't "remove speedy deletion notices from pages you created yourself" because I didn't create the page
Ryder Ripps that speedy deletion notice was unwarranted. Are you a bot? The page in question is not "pure vandalism"
Meaningzone (
talk)
Hi! Regarding your AfD of Jennifer Chan (artist), please have a look at WP:Deletion is not cleanup. It's a inefficient to nominate articles that just need to be edited to reduce their promotional nature or tone. WP:BEBOLD and just fix them. If you think they are not notable, the thing to do is WP:BEFORE to determine if the sources in the article and those not in the article (i.e. available by web search or in libraries) are enough to meet the notability requirement. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 20:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@ ThatMontrealIP: Hey thanks yes I did read the provided links you posted and it's not just a question of notable sources as I mentioned it's written like a resume and there's a ton of self promoting non neutral language, thanks
WP:NOTRESUME , WP:NOTPROMO Meaningzone ( talk)
@Meaningzone I've noticed you've repeatedly stated "self promotional" here and elsewhere, and I believe the term you are looking for is "promotional." Just clarifying so you don't continue to unintentionally misrepresent your arguments Jghampton ( talk) 02:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
feel free
Re this edit comment "Smokefoot deleted information referencing scientific studies because he personally does not like MIT not because of any valid reason " I do like MIT. So where this remark coming from? Seems uncollegial.
It has been a year since I edited that article, so my memory is fuzzy.
About the MIT part: In general I and many editors are wary (and weary) of edits that rely on argument by authority vs stating facts by relying on a nice reliable source. So citing MIT is kind of like "Daddy said so.." type thing. The other, even more practical reason to avoid writing "MIT said so" is that otherwise many, many articles would be encumbered/encrusted with Univ of XYZ claims this and Institute of ABC found this. One descends into a strutting game. For example, look at this article Vinyl chloride. Vinyl chloride is really dangerous. The article does not lean on any institutional claims.
Finally, probably someone should question how the recent edit inserted in a comment that SO2F2 is an "acute neurotoxin" into the lede. Seems like a chemophobic maybe even alt-fact thing to say.-- Smokefoot ( talk) 20:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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@ Smokefoot: On your talk page your response to me was " most of the world does not give a hoot about MIT-based anything. " which sounds like a personal opinion. My bad for the uncollegial edit comment. Regardless you can't just delete references to scientific studies because you don't like them.
I think its fine to rephrase the language so it doesn't sound like "MIT says so". But just rephrase the edit next time instead of deleting it outright. And MIT wasn't making an institutional claim they were reporting on research based evidence not conjecture or opinion.
Regarding acute neurotoxin, I didn't contribute that edit, but see this publication [1] on page 28:
"At non-lethal concentrations, neurotoxicity was observed in rats, mice, rabbits, and dogs. With acute to 2 weeks of exposures, clinical signs observed in these species included tremors, lethargy, respiratory effects, incapacitation, tetany, and convulsions. At the lowestobserved effect level, animals treated with sulfuryl fluoride for two weeks showed tissue damage in the kidney (rats), brain (rabbits, mice), and respiratory tract (rabbits and dogs). Available oral and dermal toxicity studies did not provide sufficient data for toxicity evaluation"
I'm not a chemist or expert on chemicals but that sounds reason enough to call it an acute neurotoxin to me. Meaningzone ( talk) 20:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Please stop your
disruptive editing. If you continue to remove speedy deletion notices from pages you created yourself, as you did at
Ryder Ripps, you may be
blocked from editing.
Ammarpad (
talk)
13:36, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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@
Ammarpad: hey what are you talking about? I didn't "remove speedy deletion notices from pages you created yourself" because I didn't create the page
Ryder Ripps that speedy deletion notice was unwarranted. Are you a bot? The page in question is not "pure vandalism"
Meaningzone (
talk)
Hi! Regarding your AfD of Jennifer Chan (artist), please have a look at WP:Deletion is not cleanup. It's a inefficient to nominate articles that just need to be edited to reduce their promotional nature or tone. WP:BEBOLD and just fix them. If you think they are not notable, the thing to do is WP:BEFORE to determine if the sources in the article and those not in the article (i.e. available by web search or in libraries) are enough to meet the notability requirement. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 20:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@ ThatMontrealIP: Hey thanks yes I did read the provided links you posted and it's not just a question of notable sources as I mentioned it's written like a resume and there's a ton of self promoting non neutral language, thanks
WP:NOTRESUME , WP:NOTPROMO Meaningzone ( talk)
@Meaningzone I've noticed you've repeatedly stated "self promotional" here and elsewhere, and I believe the term you are looking for is "promotional." Just clarifying so you don't continue to unintentionally misrepresent your arguments Jghampton ( talk) 02:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)