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laughing man 01:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Congratulations on your efforts to improve the article on the Peruvian national football team. For further improvement and suggestions you might want to submit it for peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru/Peer review. I'm sure members of the project will be glad to help. Greetings, -- Victor12 17:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi MarshalN20 - I apologize for cavalierly reverting the edit you just made to Bolivar, and if you restore it I won't take it out again. But I really think it needs to be re-written in encyclopedia style, something like, "Some scholars, on the other hand, have questioned..." Llajwa 00:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I did what the peer review suggested. Also, I mostly work on articles that don't attract a lot of attention, so not using the talk page is something I'm used to because there's a good chance that no one will respond in months. I apologize for the big edit. I also did not know that the Peru national football team was so active. I hope you can understand and that I will use the talk page for major edits in the future. -- MicroX 21:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Marshal. I'm glad to see you added some references, but there are a number of problems.
First, the Incas did not impose Quechua universally. This is easily seen from the fact that Aymara is widespread in former Inca territory. Bruce Mannheim's The Language of the Inka since the European Invasion explains the linguistic diversity of the Inca empire (which for most regions only lasted about a hundred years).
"Historians" don't talk about "Original Quechua"; that's Paul Heggarty term, and he is a linguist (a very good one, and a Wikipedia contributor). Most linguists would say Proto-Quechua. The thing is, Proto-Quechua was not spoken in Inca times; the divergence between Central and Peripheral Quechua predates them by centuries.
Most importantly, the Incas spoke an early form of Southern Quechua. They did not spread this to central Peru because central Peru already spoke Quechua. Quechua I is not any sort of "slang" or the result of previous languages. It is the Quechua heartland. For more see Lyle Campbell's American Indian Languages or Rodolfo Cerrón-Palomino's Lingüística Quechua. Also see Paul's excellent page on myths about Quechua: http://www.quechua.org.uk/Eng/Main/i_MYTHS.HTM
Thus, the diversity of Quechua does not result from the spread of the Incas. The Incas did spread their form of Quechua. The Spanish spread it further. If you look at the map on the Quechua page, the II-B and II-C areas (outside southern Peru) are where they expanded the empire and spread their own dialect.
Finally, there isn't any evidence that the "ruling elite" remained closer to Cusco dialect. The areas that remained closer to Cusco dialect are simply those that were most recently conquered. Zompist ( talk) 18:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Sections of the content that you included infringes policy. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 01:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Lolo Fernandez played against Magallanes on "29 de noviembre de 1931" and Alianza's games against Chilean clubs happened after 1935. There is never any mention of him performing a bicycle kick within that source. The other link you provided http://www.clubalianzalima.com/pages/hist1921.asp doesn't feature any content other than an image. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 02:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, in reply to your question on my talk page, the only thing I would really say is that we're not supposed to give undue weight to one particular argument. At first glance, we've got one section that's way longer than all the others. Do we really need so much detail? Should the other claims therefore have more detail? (in my opinion, no; the section on its origins is already longer than the rest of the article). Thanks, Beve ( talk) 16:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Your second suggestion sounds like a good one to me - a separate article that goes into more depth. However, I'm by no means an expert on Wikipedia policies, so it's probably best to propose it at WP:FOOTY and get some consensus. Cheers, Beve ( talk) 20:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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My question: Help! Please, I'm serious about this. In the article Bicycle Kick a user has been vandalizing the article and making it POV towards his views. You can read on the discussion page on the article the situation. Also, you can compare the version he is vandalizing and my version in my "MarshalN20" Username page. Please help. He has also been deleting several of my sources. I don't know what to do. I've put a lot of work into this and he keeps vandalizing my things.-- MarshalN20 ( talk) 19:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi MarshalN20,
You recently added a reference for the claim that Pisco is named after the port city in Peru. I'm sure you're aware that it is quite a contentious issue between Peru & Chile. Because of this, I think that a Peruvian Pisco manufacturers website is not a very reliable reference. It would be much better to have a reference from an neutral international researcher or something similar. 'Pisco' is also a common Quechua word, I think strong evidence that the drink was specifically named after the port city.
Also as a Peruvian, you should be extremely careful about editing the Pisco page to avoid bias. It receives a lot of edits by Pervian/Chilean editors who each delete the others content, re-word or re-order things in favor of their country.
-- Ozhiker ( talk) 09:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
This reliable source states that the first recorded game of football in Peru occurred in 1892. The Lima Cricket and Football Club website is non-nuetral,therefore less reliable that the neutral source. if you wish to use the Lima Cricket and Football Club article to boast about football in Peru predating football elsewhere on the continent plaese find a relaible source that gives an account of a football match played in Peru before 1867. E P 23:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- E P 23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Please be WP:CIVIL in your discussions. I see you are engaged in an edit war on Bicycle kick and Talk:Bicycle kick. I have seen name calling that is not constructive and does no befit intelligent adults such as yourself and the other two sides on this discussion User:English peasant and User:Selecciones de la Vida. I would suggest all sides tone down the nastiness and concentrate on resolving the dispute. May I suggest, if you cannot reach an agreement to ask at FOOTY where there are many knowledgeable editors that can help resolve the issue. If you want a more formal process, you could also consider Dispute Resolution. I also would advise stepping away from the article for a few days to let things cool down. Notices are also given to the other two parties. -- Alexf 42 19:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
FYI, I have opened discussions at WP:FOOTBALL and WP:WIKIQUETTE. E P 23:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not know so much about South American cuisine but it seems to me that what this user is doing on Wikipedia 201.255.138.172, or 201.255.167.247 using both nr. (the one you corrected on . Alfajor) is wrong and not correct. He is reverting categories, Wikiproject info on talk pages, and removing informatiom about other countries, mainly Chile and Mexico , claimimng thet dishes are from Argentina, Articles like . Dulce de leche;, Empanada; [[Choripán[]] ;Dulce de membrillo. Can you support his information?
Warrington ( talk) 09:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help. What happened whith these articles was weird. Good detective work!
Warrington (
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When I first saw your edits to the section war of the pacific, I was struck by the way you wanted to paint the role of Peru in that war. While I understand that this historical event might evoke strong sentiments on some Peruvians editors and even though I’ve tried to assume good faith on your part, and refrain myself from misinterpreting you edits, I can’t help it but notice and realize that throughout all your edits regarding Peru (that happen to involve Chile); you vehemently try to place a favorable Peruvian point on most of your edits.
This has been the case in the Bicycle kick article where most of your references are newspapers mentioning the word “chacala” maybe once or twice. I don’t know if they can be considered a reliable sources or merely Anecdotal evidence or perhaps Original research, but what I do know is that your POV pushing on that article has left a lengthy discussion on the talk page that demonstrates that I’m not the only one who thinks so of your behavior.
Now, you’ve come to push your Peruvian POV on the war of the pacific section of the Chile-Peru relations article. This time, you have gone out of your way to give lengthy (and unnecessary) background information on the conditions that Peru was faced before entering the war, so that in the reader’s perception it doesn’t come out as a defeated nation by its own merits but due to some other unforeseen factors.
Do you think I should include another paragraph relating the domestic issues or any other set of events that preceded Chile’s role in the war on an article’s section that’s meant to be just a rough summary of it?
I tried to make that section as objective as possible, but you had to come and push your POV on it once again.
Not only you have tried to paint an almost heroic portrait of Peru’s participation in the war, but also you’ve put a lot of effort to include weasel words that make Chile look like a total villain. Clear examples are your edits including;
- invaded and occupied, without a prior declaration of war
-the expansionist ambitions of Chile.
-The Chilean army left a path of destruction, and Lima was stormed and sacked.
Then again, after I added a concise paragraph of the new controversy involving Peru’s top general, you have once again gone out of your way to cite
Yellow press articles - from Peru of course- to give a more favorable view of the facts. This time with another “surprising” twist; Chilean politicians are mingling in Peru’s domestic policies.
If you notice, my entry not only included the general’s polemic remarks, but also the exaggerated reaction of some newspapers in Chile, most importantly I tried my best to use objective language and cite my edit using a neutral/reliable source,
CNN.
So I ask; Can we collaborate and try to make an article as objective as possible without citing yellow press, which most of the time include language that evoke strong emotions? Can we put our differences aside for the common good of an article?
I know it’s possible. So I ask you to join me and to work for a better, more reliable and objective Wikipedia. Likeminas ( talk) 15:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Take it easy. You took the issue personally. I didn’t call you names or attached any adjectives to you, and you call me childish right away? Is that a mature approach to take?
You’re unwilling to compromise or at least cooperate with me by your own admission and you threaten me with reporting me to wiki? Good luck with that ok!
Let me know if change your mind and you're willing to reach a reasonable agreement that keeps a NPOV on that article. In the meantime, I will revert all your weasel and POV-loaded edits. Likeminas ( talk) 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Likeminas ( talk) 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
You have to provide a source if you want to make a change to the article. The source does not say the cacique was Picunche, and you have provided no source that says so. Please refrain from making disruptive edits to Wikipedia. Thank you. ☆ CieloEstrellado 14:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Te felicito por el mapa. -- Resvoluci ( talk) 13:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
¿a quién se podría acudir para restar las provincias de Brasil? ¿hay otro de México? Saludos-- Resvoluci ( talk) 13:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I see you are still wrecking the Bicycle Kick article with uninteligable gibberish like:
Not only does it display awful misuse of the English language, but "the game in which the bicycle kick was allegedly invented is older than 1894" is not supported by any of the following text in any way. Please remove it and if you wish to make such claims, please find a reliable primary source. King of the North East 00:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Look I hope this can be the end of the argument, I don't care to defend myself against your attacks any more and will try again to make you understand what I have been trying to say all along. You are obviously proud of your Peruvian heritage and spend your spare time trying to improve articles about Peru, unfortunately some of your edits do not seem to be made from a neutral piont of veiw that is befitting of an encyclopaedia. Please carefully reveiw the contents of the following links:
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Please do not interpret this comment as an attack, it is not intended as one. King of the North East 23:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
this edit was unnecessary, as you well know. I suggest that KOTNE lets it go as I am warning marshal here. Marshal, enough is enough and any comments you make like the one above simply cast doubt on your motivations and good faith. I suggest you refractor the comment, apologize to KOTNE and simply let one another go your separate ways. Thanks.
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I know you've taken an interest in the GA review; do you want to take over the review, or should I continue? Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 01:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've changed a bit the lead of the article, but i want to know if it's ok now. If it's not, could you help me with that item? My english is not the best to make something more interesting. If you can't help me, tell me, and I'll try to find another person. -- Tincho GELP ( talk) 14:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I think you are experienced enough to know that edit summaries such as this [2] are not acceptable in Wikipedia. LibStar ( talk) 04:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
before you jump in you might note there was a disagreement between myself and MarshalN20 regarding a statement in Peru national football team ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), the edit summary is a direct reference to me. so stop jumping to conclusions, timeshift. LibStar ( talk) 05:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I never lost any argument. you should read the policy on no personal attacks because your comment above is full of it ,your comment on the pettiness of not capitalizing is classical WP:KETTLE on your part. LibStar ( talk) 23:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
also you can't even spell pitty. LibStar ( talk) 00:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hola, porque dices que es racista la aseveración de que en Chile el aporte afro... sea insignificante... solo los llegados desde Peru con la incursión en la guerra del pacífico y la anexión de Tarapaca llegó un número relativamente importante de gente de origen africano, pues la mayoría de la población de Arica en dominio peruano era de raza negra, pero con la anexión a Chile muchos fueron expulsados a Peru o abandonaron el pais por sus propios medios. Hoy en día su aporte racial es insignificante no llega ni al 0,1% de la población chilena.-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
PD: 600.000 descendientes de alemanes en Peru, dame fuentes serias para ello. Es imposible que menos de 2.000 alemanes emigrados a Peru, tengan tanta descendecia, es casi iluso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Las fuentes las pondre, pues es irrisoria las cifras-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Un Bloq es una referencia seria?...-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I (with Cruzville) started the Croats of Chile wikipage a few days ago and you changed the name from Croats of Chile to Croatian Chilean without any discussion. You made no significant contribution to it apart from renaming it – this is very counter productive and goes against the respect editors general convey to each other in this project.
On your edit you stated: "Moved in order to fit according to other articles such as German Chilean". But this page wasn’t started as part of a series on Chilean immigration it was started as Part of a Series on Croats – by region or country. (within the Wikiproject Croatia).
I linked this page to a page in spanish wikipedia Inmigración croata en Chile because it was related to the one I started – but I have been unable to discuss the page with the principal editor who is probably from Chile. This Spanish page appears to be part of an attempt to create a series on immigrations in Chile (but it isn’t part of any specific wikiproject) so it started from a different point – the page I started was within Series on Croats. The link between these two project has to be discussed so that the information can be shared and some how serve both the project in Spanish/Chilean and that in English/Series of Croats.
Whether there is any validity to the change of page you introduced is not the point the point is that it should have been discussed. I would appreciate if you undid this change of name or I will have to start a discussion on it within the Project Croatia – which would be a great waste of time, time that I could use to further research the topic and expand the article. Regards, - Cruzville & Chilevic ( talk) 15:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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Please read my analysis and view on the Croatian Chilean discussion page Cruzville ( talk) 20:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for you quick reply on the Croatian Chilean discussion page. I made a comment to User talk:IanManka about an editor you also may have had some issues with "190.208.86.19". You may be interesting in reading the comment, reflect on it and maybe give your views on it too. Cruzville ( talk) 18:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw your kind offer to help review Spanish sources. It would be good to improve Iceland–Mexico relations a bit as I've seen better supported articles than this still get deleted, even when the majority of votes are for keep. For me, the most promising source looked to be this one: the two presidents meet Is this a government or a press source? Does it describe them just talking about cooperation relating to climate change or do they talk about anything else? If you could either let me know here or edit the article direct yourself it would be appreaciated. Gracias! FeydHuxtable ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
MarshalN20, you have now you have gone from being a neutral editor on that discussion to being a vehement defense advocate for Arafael. Perhaps, you should let him elaborate for himself a bit. After all he’s the one disputing the statement and has barely written a persuasive argument, much less made a convincing case for the inclusion of the other interpretations. I was thinking that maybe, you can help out in writing a neutral statement that mentions both versions, while giving the appropiate weight to each one of them. What do you say? Likeminas ( talk) 17:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome to the project. Ikip ( talk) 05:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Just so you know, I have mentioned you ---> Here. Redthoreau ( talk)RT 13:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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Could you review War of the Pacific discusion? Arafael ( talk) 16:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with your translation of "Great Telescope Canaries", as it sounds a little bit strange to a native English speaker. If you go to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canarias you'll see it's linked to the English Canary Islands page. Personally I would prefer the translation that was there before. - Ttwaring ( talk) 00:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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I typed up this response to your "Attributing sentence to author" question at the Ref Desk (which you seem to have deleted). Instead of dumping the response, I'll give it to you here:
Hey, can you wait a little bit with the edits on thew War of the Pacific article? The topics are not settled yet. I would be more productive to engage in the discussions on the talk page. Dentren | Talk 19:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
My sincere apologies, I thought I saw you removing the template at the top of the section.
ps: ref # 62 seems to be broken tough.
Likeminas
Thanks for the conciliatory tone Marshall. I think things got a bit more heated than they should have. This has proven to be a difficult subject, but I assure I have no personal vendetta against you.
Starting tomorrow I will be pretty busy, but once I'm done, I will come back to the article. And I'm looking forward to working with you in a dispassionate and amicable manner.
Salu2
Marshall, I know we’ve had our differences in the past, but I still consider you a reasonable editor, that’s why I’m assuming good faith with you, and I won’t presuppose that you were canvassing here but given that you invited him, it would be, perhaps, helpful if you interceded and explained to him the NPOV rule when there are contradicting sources. I did try myself [5], but he seems unwilling to work something out. In fact, he seems to be taking a similar stance as Keysanger, which –in my opinion- is quite counterproductive and perhaps even detrimental to the discussion. Please help out. Let’s improve the article in a collective and cooperative manner. It’s definitively doable. Cheers, Likeminas ( talk) 21:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hello. Congratulations on your efforts to improve the article on the Peruvian national football team. For further improvement and suggestions you might want to submit it for peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru/Peer review. I'm sure members of the project will be glad to help. Greetings, -- Victor12 17:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi MarshalN20 - I apologize for cavalierly reverting the edit you just made to Bolivar, and if you restore it I won't take it out again. But I really think it needs to be re-written in encyclopedia style, something like, "Some scholars, on the other hand, have questioned..." Llajwa 00:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I did what the peer review suggested. Also, I mostly work on articles that don't attract a lot of attention, so not using the talk page is something I'm used to because there's a good chance that no one will respond in months. I apologize for the big edit. I also did not know that the Peru national football team was so active. I hope you can understand and that I will use the talk page for major edits in the future. -- MicroX 21:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Marshal. I'm glad to see you added some references, but there are a number of problems.
First, the Incas did not impose Quechua universally. This is easily seen from the fact that Aymara is widespread in former Inca territory. Bruce Mannheim's The Language of the Inka since the European Invasion explains the linguistic diversity of the Inca empire (which for most regions only lasted about a hundred years).
"Historians" don't talk about "Original Quechua"; that's Paul Heggarty term, and he is a linguist (a very good one, and a Wikipedia contributor). Most linguists would say Proto-Quechua. The thing is, Proto-Quechua was not spoken in Inca times; the divergence between Central and Peripheral Quechua predates them by centuries.
Most importantly, the Incas spoke an early form of Southern Quechua. They did not spread this to central Peru because central Peru already spoke Quechua. Quechua I is not any sort of "slang" or the result of previous languages. It is the Quechua heartland. For more see Lyle Campbell's American Indian Languages or Rodolfo Cerrón-Palomino's Lingüística Quechua. Also see Paul's excellent page on myths about Quechua: http://www.quechua.org.uk/Eng/Main/i_MYTHS.HTM
Thus, the diversity of Quechua does not result from the spread of the Incas. The Incas did spread their form of Quechua. The Spanish spread it further. If you look at the map on the Quechua page, the II-B and II-C areas (outside southern Peru) are where they expanded the empire and spread their own dialect.
Finally, there isn't any evidence that the "ruling elite" remained closer to Cusco dialect. The areas that remained closer to Cusco dialect are simply those that were most recently conquered. Zompist ( talk) 18:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Sections of the content that you included infringes policy. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 01:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Lolo Fernandez played against Magallanes on "29 de noviembre de 1931" and Alianza's games against Chilean clubs happened after 1935. There is never any mention of him performing a bicycle kick within that source. The other link you provided http://www.clubalianzalima.com/pages/hist1921.asp doesn't feature any content other than an image. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 02:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, in reply to your question on my talk page, the only thing I would really say is that we're not supposed to give undue weight to one particular argument. At first glance, we've got one section that's way longer than all the others. Do we really need so much detail? Should the other claims therefore have more detail? (in my opinion, no; the section on its origins is already longer than the rest of the article). Thanks, Beve ( talk) 16:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Your second suggestion sounds like a good one to me - a separate article that goes into more depth. However, I'm by no means an expert on Wikipedia policies, so it's probably best to propose it at WP:FOOTY and get some consensus. Cheers, Beve ( talk) 20:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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My question: Help! Please, I'm serious about this. In the article Bicycle Kick a user has been vandalizing the article and making it POV towards his views. You can read on the discussion page on the article the situation. Also, you can compare the version he is vandalizing and my version in my "MarshalN20" Username page. Please help. He has also been deleting several of my sources. I don't know what to do. I've put a lot of work into this and he keeps vandalizing my things.-- MarshalN20 ( talk) 19:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi MarshalN20,
You recently added a reference for the claim that Pisco is named after the port city in Peru. I'm sure you're aware that it is quite a contentious issue between Peru & Chile. Because of this, I think that a Peruvian Pisco manufacturers website is not a very reliable reference. It would be much better to have a reference from an neutral international researcher or something similar. 'Pisco' is also a common Quechua word, I think strong evidence that the drink was specifically named after the port city.
Also as a Peruvian, you should be extremely careful about editing the Pisco page to avoid bias. It receives a lot of edits by Pervian/Chilean editors who each delete the others content, re-word or re-order things in favor of their country.
-- Ozhiker ( talk) 09:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
This reliable source states that the first recorded game of football in Peru occurred in 1892. The Lima Cricket and Football Club website is non-nuetral,therefore less reliable that the neutral source. if you wish to use the Lima Cricket and Football Club article to boast about football in Peru predating football elsewhere on the continent plaese find a relaible source that gives an account of a football match played in Peru before 1867. E P 23:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- E P 23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Please be WP:CIVIL in your discussions. I see you are engaged in an edit war on Bicycle kick and Talk:Bicycle kick. I have seen name calling that is not constructive and does no befit intelligent adults such as yourself and the other two sides on this discussion User:English peasant and User:Selecciones de la Vida. I would suggest all sides tone down the nastiness and concentrate on resolving the dispute. May I suggest, if you cannot reach an agreement to ask at FOOTY where there are many knowledgeable editors that can help resolve the issue. If you want a more formal process, you could also consider Dispute Resolution. I also would advise stepping away from the article for a few days to let things cool down. Notices are also given to the other two parties. -- Alexf 42 19:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
FYI, I have opened discussions at WP:FOOTBALL and WP:WIKIQUETTE. E P 23:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not know so much about South American cuisine but it seems to me that what this user is doing on Wikipedia 201.255.138.172, or 201.255.167.247 using both nr. (the one you corrected on . Alfajor) is wrong and not correct. He is reverting categories, Wikiproject info on talk pages, and removing informatiom about other countries, mainly Chile and Mexico , claimimng thet dishes are from Argentina, Articles like . Dulce de leche;, Empanada; [[Choripán[]] ;Dulce de membrillo. Can you support his information?
Warrington ( talk) 09:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help. What happened whith these articles was weird. Good detective work!
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When I first saw your edits to the section war of the pacific, I was struck by the way you wanted to paint the role of Peru in that war. While I understand that this historical event might evoke strong sentiments on some Peruvians editors and even though I’ve tried to assume good faith on your part, and refrain myself from misinterpreting you edits, I can’t help it but notice and realize that throughout all your edits regarding Peru (that happen to involve Chile); you vehemently try to place a favorable Peruvian point on most of your edits.
This has been the case in the Bicycle kick article where most of your references are newspapers mentioning the word “chacala” maybe once or twice. I don’t know if they can be considered a reliable sources or merely Anecdotal evidence or perhaps Original research, but what I do know is that your POV pushing on that article has left a lengthy discussion on the talk page that demonstrates that I’m not the only one who thinks so of your behavior.
Now, you’ve come to push your Peruvian POV on the war of the pacific section of the Chile-Peru relations article. This time, you have gone out of your way to give lengthy (and unnecessary) background information on the conditions that Peru was faced before entering the war, so that in the reader’s perception it doesn’t come out as a defeated nation by its own merits but due to some other unforeseen factors.
Do you think I should include another paragraph relating the domestic issues or any other set of events that preceded Chile’s role in the war on an article’s section that’s meant to be just a rough summary of it?
I tried to make that section as objective as possible, but you had to come and push your POV on it once again.
Not only you have tried to paint an almost heroic portrait of Peru’s participation in the war, but also you’ve put a lot of effort to include weasel words that make Chile look like a total villain. Clear examples are your edits including;
- invaded and occupied, without a prior declaration of war
-the expansionist ambitions of Chile.
-The Chilean army left a path of destruction, and Lima was stormed and sacked.
Then again, after I added a concise paragraph of the new controversy involving Peru’s top general, you have once again gone out of your way to cite
Yellow press articles - from Peru of course- to give a more favorable view of the facts. This time with another “surprising” twist; Chilean politicians are mingling in Peru’s domestic policies.
If you notice, my entry not only included the general’s polemic remarks, but also the exaggerated reaction of some newspapers in Chile, most importantly I tried my best to use objective language and cite my edit using a neutral/reliable source,
CNN.
So I ask; Can we collaborate and try to make an article as objective as possible without citing yellow press, which most of the time include language that evoke strong emotions? Can we put our differences aside for the common good of an article?
I know it’s possible. So I ask you to join me and to work for a better, more reliable and objective Wikipedia. Likeminas ( talk) 15:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Take it easy. You took the issue personally. I didn’t call you names or attached any adjectives to you, and you call me childish right away? Is that a mature approach to take?
You’re unwilling to compromise or at least cooperate with me by your own admission and you threaten me with reporting me to wiki? Good luck with that ok!
Let me know if change your mind and you're willing to reach a reasonable agreement that keeps a NPOV on that article. In the meantime, I will revert all your weasel and POV-loaded edits. Likeminas ( talk) 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Likeminas ( talk) 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
You have to provide a source if you want to make a change to the article. The source does not say the cacique was Picunche, and you have provided no source that says so. Please refrain from making disruptive edits to Wikipedia. Thank you. ☆ CieloEstrellado 14:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Te felicito por el mapa. -- Resvoluci ( talk) 13:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
¿a quién se podría acudir para restar las provincias de Brasil? ¿hay otro de México? Saludos-- Resvoluci ( talk) 13:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I see you are still wrecking the Bicycle Kick article with uninteligable gibberish like:
Not only does it display awful misuse of the English language, but "the game in which the bicycle kick was allegedly invented is older than 1894" is not supported by any of the following text in any way. Please remove it and if you wish to make such claims, please find a reliable primary source. King of the North East 00:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Look I hope this can be the end of the argument, I don't care to defend myself against your attacks any more and will try again to make you understand what I have been trying to say all along. You are obviously proud of your Peruvian heritage and spend your spare time trying to improve articles about Peru, unfortunately some of your edits do not seem to be made from a neutral piont of veiw that is befitting of an encyclopaedia. Please carefully reveiw the contents of the following links:
You may also find these links helpful:
In cases where you find yourself in confrontation with another editor, please use the following guidelines.
Please do not interpret this comment as an attack, it is not intended as one. King of the North East 23:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
this edit was unnecessary, as you well know. I suggest that KOTNE lets it go as I am warning marshal here. Marshal, enough is enough and any comments you make like the one above simply cast doubt on your motivations and good faith. I suggest you refractor the comment, apologize to KOTNE and simply let one another go your separate ways. Thanks.
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I know you've taken an interest in the GA review; do you want to take over the review, or should I continue? Noble Story ( talk • contributions) 01:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've changed a bit the lead of the article, but i want to know if it's ok now. If it's not, could you help me with that item? My english is not the best to make something more interesting. If you can't help me, tell me, and I'll try to find another person. -- Tincho GELP ( talk) 14:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I think you are experienced enough to know that edit summaries such as this [2] are not acceptable in Wikipedia. LibStar ( talk) 04:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
before you jump in you might note there was a disagreement between myself and MarshalN20 regarding a statement in Peru national football team ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), the edit summary is a direct reference to me. so stop jumping to conclusions, timeshift. LibStar ( talk) 05:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I never lost any argument. you should read the policy on no personal attacks because your comment above is full of it ,your comment on the pettiness of not capitalizing is classical WP:KETTLE on your part. LibStar ( talk) 23:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
also you can't even spell pitty. LibStar ( talk) 00:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hola, porque dices que es racista la aseveración de que en Chile el aporte afro... sea insignificante... solo los llegados desde Peru con la incursión en la guerra del pacífico y la anexión de Tarapaca llegó un número relativamente importante de gente de origen africano, pues la mayoría de la población de Arica en dominio peruano era de raza negra, pero con la anexión a Chile muchos fueron expulsados a Peru o abandonaron el pais por sus propios medios. Hoy en día su aporte racial es insignificante no llega ni al 0,1% de la población chilena.-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
PD: 600.000 descendientes de alemanes en Peru, dame fuentes serias para ello. Es imposible que menos de 2.000 alemanes emigrados a Peru, tengan tanta descendecia, es casi iluso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Las fuentes las pondre, pues es irrisoria las cifras-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Un Bloq es una referencia seria?...-- 190.208.86.19 ( talk) 00:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I (with Cruzville) started the Croats of Chile wikipage a few days ago and you changed the name from Croats of Chile to Croatian Chilean without any discussion. You made no significant contribution to it apart from renaming it – this is very counter productive and goes against the respect editors general convey to each other in this project.
On your edit you stated: "Moved in order to fit according to other articles such as German Chilean". But this page wasn’t started as part of a series on Chilean immigration it was started as Part of a Series on Croats – by region or country. (within the Wikiproject Croatia).
I linked this page to a page in spanish wikipedia Inmigración croata en Chile because it was related to the one I started – but I have been unable to discuss the page with the principal editor who is probably from Chile. This Spanish page appears to be part of an attempt to create a series on immigrations in Chile (but it isn’t part of any specific wikiproject) so it started from a different point – the page I started was within Series on Croats. The link between these two project has to be discussed so that the information can be shared and some how serve both the project in Spanish/Chilean and that in English/Series of Croats.
Whether there is any validity to the change of page you introduced is not the point the point is that it should have been discussed. I would appreciate if you undid this change of name or I will have to start a discussion on it within the Project Croatia – which would be a great waste of time, time that I could use to further research the topic and expand the article. Regards, - Cruzville & Chilevic ( talk) 15:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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Please read my analysis and view on the Croatian Chilean discussion page Cruzville ( talk) 20:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for you quick reply on the Croatian Chilean discussion page. I made a comment to User talk:IanManka about an editor you also may have had some issues with "190.208.86.19". You may be interesting in reading the comment, reflect on it and maybe give your views on it too. Cruzville ( talk) 18:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw your kind offer to help review Spanish sources. It would be good to improve Iceland–Mexico relations a bit as I've seen better supported articles than this still get deleted, even when the majority of votes are for keep. For me, the most promising source looked to be this one: the two presidents meet Is this a government or a press source? Does it describe them just talking about cooperation relating to climate change or do they talk about anything else? If you could either let me know here or edit the article direct yourself it would be appreaciated. Gracias! FeydHuxtable ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
MarshalN20, you have now you have gone from being a neutral editor on that discussion to being a vehement defense advocate for Arafael. Perhaps, you should let him elaborate for himself a bit. After all he’s the one disputing the statement and has barely written a persuasive argument, much less made a convincing case for the inclusion of the other interpretations. I was thinking that maybe, you can help out in writing a neutral statement that mentions both versions, while giving the appropiate weight to each one of them. What do you say? Likeminas ( talk) 17:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome to the project. Ikip ( talk) 05:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Just so you know, I have mentioned you ---> Here. Redthoreau ( talk)RT 13:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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Could you review War of the Pacific discusion? Arafael ( talk) 16:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with your translation of "Great Telescope Canaries", as it sounds a little bit strange to a native English speaker. If you go to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canarias you'll see it's linked to the English Canary Islands page. Personally I would prefer the translation that was there before. - Ttwaring ( talk) 00:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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I typed up this response to your "Attributing sentence to author" question at the Ref Desk (which you seem to have deleted). Instead of dumping the response, I'll give it to you here:
Hey, can you wait a little bit with the edits on thew War of the Pacific article? The topics are not settled yet. I would be more productive to engage in the discussions on the talk page. Dentren | Talk 19:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
My sincere apologies, I thought I saw you removing the template at the top of the section.
ps: ref # 62 seems to be broken tough.
Likeminas
Thanks for the conciliatory tone Marshall. I think things got a bit more heated than they should have. This has proven to be a difficult subject, but I assure I have no personal vendetta against you.
Starting tomorrow I will be pretty busy, but once I'm done, I will come back to the article. And I'm looking forward to working with you in a dispassionate and amicable manner.
Salu2
Marshall, I know we’ve had our differences in the past, but I still consider you a reasonable editor, that’s why I’m assuming good faith with you, and I won’t presuppose that you were canvassing here but given that you invited him, it would be, perhaps, helpful if you interceded and explained to him the NPOV rule when there are contradicting sources. I did try myself [5], but he seems unwilling to work something out. In fact, he seems to be taking a similar stance as Keysanger, which –in my opinion- is quite counterproductive and perhaps even detrimental to the discussion. Please help out. Let’s improve the article in a collective and cooperative manner. It’s definitively doable. Cheers, Likeminas ( talk) 21:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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