Hello, and welcome.
I have created a page, History of the Lak people for an extensive coverage of their history, as is being added to the Lak people page. You don't mind, right? This way, the Lak people page can be used (appropriately) to deal with not only their history (in an abbreviated form, with a link to the history page) but also ethnic features, physical characteristics, and other characteristics about the Laks themselves, not only their history. So, generally, the history for the most part will be moved to the history page. I think (you can discuss this if you wish) the stuff we should leave on the Lak page should be primarily the history that shaped them or the world's view of them as a people and their origins, and the rest should be removed. Everything, of course, should be on the history page, I think. Do you have any objections or things to discuss, etc? -- Yalens ( talk) 16:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
It's allright. Thank you very much for correction, they were appropriate. (Marat)
I suppose this is always a thorny issue for my viewing the page... I've always been told that Sarir was an Avar-run state, and there is plenty of publications that support this. Furthermore, Sarir briefly conquered us (stupid idea, we don't treat foreign rulers with compassion exactly), and Chechen history always said it was the Avars who conquered us. We even name all Dagestanis as Avars (we give them the same name, and non-Avar Dagestanis get their respective names), because the Avars were for a really long time the only Dagestani people we knew of.
I don't know about Lak Sarir, but it is it still impossible that there could be two Sarirs, a Lak Sarir and an Avar Sarir, that were mistaken by ignorant Arabs to be the same state...? Because from what you say it seems like there was a Lak Sarir too, but I"m pretty sure that there was once an Avar kingdom called Sarir as well...-- Yalens ( talk) 12:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
The Lak history page is now 1/7th of its length a couple months ago... I have not looked carefully at what you've been deleting, but I wanted to tell you that having a large amount of info is not bad, because you can always just split it into new pages branching off from the old one. It would make sense if its questionable info that you're deleting it.... I have not looked carefully. Would you care to tell me what you've been deleting? -- Yalens ( talk) 16:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is the comparison, to show all of the stuff that's been deleted (6/7ths of the page!): http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_Lak_people&action=historysubmit&diff=396327034&oldid=375023918 ...
Please don't delete all that you spent so much time writing. Wikipedia could use it. If the page seems too big... just make new pages. Now, granted, there is some stuff here that is a bit "uhh" that sounded to me like Lak chauvinism... but there's also a lot of good info...Should I help you divide it up into new pages?-- Yalens ( talk) 16:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
One more thing... I was thinking of making a Swadesh list of Nakho-Dagestani languages. I will be using Chechen, maybe Batsbi, Avar, Andi, Tsez/Dido, Lak, Darg(in/wa), Archi, maybe Tsakhur, Lezgin, maybe Tabarasan, and Khinalugh if I can get my hands on any info on Khinalugh. I might pull in Urartian too, if possible, as the latest relatively well-attested Hurro-Urartian branch representative... Are you interested in helping, with the Lak part and possibly others if possible?-- Yalens ( talk) 01:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Yalens, I do not want to involve myself in Wikipedia much. The Russian wiki asked me to assist before but I refused, I do not have time. Marat123 ( talk) 13:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome.
I have created a page, History of the Lak people for an extensive coverage of their history, as is being added to the Lak people page. You don't mind, right? This way, the Lak people page can be used (appropriately) to deal with not only their history (in an abbreviated form, with a link to the history page) but also ethnic features, physical characteristics, and other characteristics about the Laks themselves, not only their history. So, generally, the history for the most part will be moved to the history page. I think (you can discuss this if you wish) the stuff we should leave on the Lak page should be primarily the history that shaped them or the world's view of them as a people and their origins, and the rest should be removed. Everything, of course, should be on the history page, I think. Do you have any objections or things to discuss, etc? -- Yalens ( talk) 16:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
It's allright. Thank you very much for correction, they were appropriate. (Marat)
I suppose this is always a thorny issue for my viewing the page... I've always been told that Sarir was an Avar-run state, and there is plenty of publications that support this. Furthermore, Sarir briefly conquered us (stupid idea, we don't treat foreign rulers with compassion exactly), and Chechen history always said it was the Avars who conquered us. We even name all Dagestanis as Avars (we give them the same name, and non-Avar Dagestanis get their respective names), because the Avars were for a really long time the only Dagestani people we knew of.
I don't know about Lak Sarir, but it is it still impossible that there could be two Sarirs, a Lak Sarir and an Avar Sarir, that were mistaken by ignorant Arabs to be the same state...? Because from what you say it seems like there was a Lak Sarir too, but I"m pretty sure that there was once an Avar kingdom called Sarir as well...-- Yalens ( talk) 12:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
The Lak history page is now 1/7th of its length a couple months ago... I have not looked carefully at what you've been deleting, but I wanted to tell you that having a large amount of info is not bad, because you can always just split it into new pages branching off from the old one. It would make sense if its questionable info that you're deleting it.... I have not looked carefully. Would you care to tell me what you've been deleting? -- Yalens ( talk) 16:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is the comparison, to show all of the stuff that's been deleted (6/7ths of the page!): http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_Lak_people&action=historysubmit&diff=396327034&oldid=375023918 ...
Please don't delete all that you spent so much time writing. Wikipedia could use it. If the page seems too big... just make new pages. Now, granted, there is some stuff here that is a bit "uhh" that sounded to me like Lak chauvinism... but there's also a lot of good info...Should I help you divide it up into new pages?-- Yalens ( talk) 16:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
One more thing... I was thinking of making a Swadesh list of Nakho-Dagestani languages. I will be using Chechen, maybe Batsbi, Avar, Andi, Tsez/Dido, Lak, Darg(in/wa), Archi, maybe Tsakhur, Lezgin, maybe Tabarasan, and Khinalugh if I can get my hands on any info on Khinalugh. I might pull in Urartian too, if possible, as the latest relatively well-attested Hurro-Urartian branch representative... Are you interested in helping, with the Lak part and possibly others if possible?-- Yalens ( talk) 01:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Yalens, I do not want to involve myself in Wikipedia much. The Russian wiki asked me to assist before but I refused, I do not have time. Marat123 ( talk) 13:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)