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First, I am a regularly invited (and have participated in six or seven such conferences) participant.
Second, I will ask Glenn Tenney, who is the principal organiser of the conferences, about the copyright, and a waiver thereof.
Third, I rewrote the text of the description, so as to remove copyright concerns. I can continue to rewrite this material, so as to remove any angst of Wikipedians such as yourself. Frankly, I think complaint regarding this article are baseless.
The Hacker's Conference is well described in a NOVA program (aired in the late 1980s), which documented the first such conference, held as I recall at Asilomar. So, the conference per se is notable, and should be described in a Wikipedia article.
William R. Buckley ( talk) 00:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hai, I started this article with my style of writing, reference taken from books in the public library there wont be any issue in copyright. Thank you, SanjaiMahi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjaymahi ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I performed a history merge on the articles rather than a purge, as the external site lists us as the source - so no copyvio here, happily. Best, – Toon (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I've been editing the page about Marc Lafia. I did not create the first entry, but have been working off of it to correct the issues noted by Wikipedia editors as regards copyrighted material and lack of secondary sources to validate claims about the subject.
I'm new to contributing content to Wikipedia. Is there a place on Wikipedia (the sandbox, maybe) where this article can be developed but not published to the site until it meets the standards of objectivity, etc.? If so, can you instruct me as to how I would move the text to that workspace?
Thank you, Jane Craford
PS - I know I could do all the article preparation offline, but it is helpful to work within Wikipedia to preview the formatting & test the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.74.50 ( talk) 22:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
All right! Will do. Thank you for your clear instructions. User:JCraford —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.77.98 ( talk) 23:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank You! Elluminati ( talk) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Somebody erroneously replaced the redirect at CPIM to an article. That means the history of the page does not belong to that article. So if we move the page all the history related to CPIM will go with an unrelated page. So created a page with an appropriate title for that article and copy pasted the article to that page, so that the article is not lost due to reversion. Aravind V R ( talk) 13:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt reply. I have just sent an email to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org to explain this rather complicated situation, and I'll try to sort it out. Since no one has told me, can you actually tell me what the problem is in the article (other than the copyright itself)? For the "independent, third-party reliable sources", can I use soundtechniques? I've quoted from his published CDs, which are reliable sources, but there are no websites for such things. He hasn't got a personal website himself, and as I've explained, it's his CV so I can't start changing things like the city name of "Moscow" to something else. Changing the article would distort the meaning, and is against the will of the copyholder, Peter Bradley-Fulgoni himself. The article in my opinion is in a neutral tone; there is no bias on it, and is certainly not advertising in any sense. It's like any other pianist's sites - go to Rubenstein etc., you could consider that as seriously biased as well. Hope this article will be opened again, and hope you understand the situation. Wtjulianchan ( talk) 16:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello
The following was left on a page i helped create (Jacky Jasper). I am not sure of what action I need to take. Would you please explain to me what I need to do according to your comments left.
requesting histpurge for article started as copyvio. Article retains content contributed by Darrick122
Thanks,
Darrick Angelone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darrick122 ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi. With regards to this, there's no definitive consensus as to whether these issues are indeed breaches of WP:V, WP:RS, etc. All I'm saying is that this particular RfA might not be the best place to discuss that. Hope this helps clear things up. – Juliancolton | Talk 21:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 03:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Since Moonriddengirl ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has taken care of the history purge, I have closed this request. She is very hardworking when it comes to copyvios and is quite helpful. In terms of moving forward, there are a number of venues that could help sort out any remaining issues. The reliable sources noticeboard is good for evaluating sources. The no original research noticeboard can help if there are concerns that the article goes further than the sources. There is also a general content noticeboard if the matter involves content issues not covered by a specific noticeboard. The biology, science, and math WikiProject talk pages are good places to ask for uninvolved editors to review and contribute to the article. Since some of your concerns regard overlinking and style considerations, I recommend Tony1 ( talk · contribs), Awadewit ( talk · contribs), and Eubulides ( talk · contribs) as good people to ask for advice. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know! -- Vassyana ( talk) 16:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Seeing that you have quickly amassed a decent amount of WP:CLUE of how things work here, I was wondering: Have you thought about running for adminship at all? If so, mind if I ask what your decision was? Regards So Why 20:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I see that you caught one that I missed. Good show. :) Best, Javért | Talk 08:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
There's still more in there and potentially yet another sock.
MLauba (
talk) 08:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC) Oops, no, not really. Nevermind, sorry
MLauba (
talk) 08:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you point out how exactly is the article a copyright violation? It is very little text, mostly information from his CV, which is difficult to paraphrase in any other way than what is currently in the article. If this is a copyvio, then by the same logic we should delete all "List of publications" sections from all articles of academics, as these are usually also directly taken from the person's CV. Please explain. Offliner ( talk) 10:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, please personally compare the article text [1] and the resume [2]. Offliner ( talk) 10:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the source:
Andrei P. Tsygankov is Professor at the departments of Political Science and International Relations at San Francisco State University. He teaches Russian/post-Soviet, comparative, and international politics since August 2000. A Russian native, Tsygankov is a graduate of Moscow State University (Candidate of Sciences, 1991) and University of Southern California (Ph.D., 2000).
This is the article:
Andrei Tsygankov is Professor at the departments of Political Science and International Relations at San Francisco State University, where he teaches Russian and post-Soviet, comparative, and international politics.
Now please explain why this is a copyright violation. How does the information need to be worded so that it's not? Please give an example. Offliner ( talk) 11:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
By the same token I don't see any point at all listing my article Flower Lane Church as a copyvio. The source text I referred to is a brief history of that church, which, just like Andrei Tsygankov's bio, consist of basic facts. It's very difficult to rewrite facts (and as an example please explain to me how to rewrite the sentence "The sun rises in the east" to avoid a copyvio?). Anyway, I did have tried as best as I could to paraphrase the facts without losing details or adding personal viewpoints to it, but I wonder why it still does not meet your requirement. Please understand that English is not my first language. If I completely put the source aside and rephrase it with my own words, I'm bound to lose detailed information. Please explain to me. :.< -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 15:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you please also post my case to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights? I wanna hear opinions from more people on this subject. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 15:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
...in 1949, the Chinese Church had to break off relations with foreign missions, and all church activities were strictly forbidden during the Cultural Revolution. On October 28, 1979, Siông-iū Dòng restored its religious activities and became the first church in Fuzhou that provided the regular service after the Cultural Revolution, with its name changed to Flower Lane Church, after the street name of its location.
In 1949, the China Church terminated the relationship with foreign churches and no more services were conducted during the Cultural Revolution. On October 28, 1979, the Flower Lane Church restored its religious service and became the first church in Fuzhou that performed the regular service after the Cultural Revolution. Consequently, it ..was renamed fromShang You Tangto the Flower Lane Church by conforming to its location.
The church was given its new name, Flower Lane Church after the street on which it is located, in 1979. It had at that point weathered a challenging period that lasted thirty years. In 1949, foreign churches were no longer permitted to interact with churches in China, and during the Cultural Revolution church services ceased. But after the Cultural Revolution ended, the church was able to continue, resuming regular services on October 28, 1979, before any other church in Fuzhou.
I give my thanks for the patience and help provided by all of you here. That article does need improving, and I will rewrite it this weekend. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 16:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all! I've done a new version of Flower Lane Church. Please consider removing the copyvio tag. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 02:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
First, I am a regularly invited (and have participated in six or seven such conferences) participant.
Second, I will ask Glenn Tenney, who is the principal organiser of the conferences, about the copyright, and a waiver thereof.
Third, I rewrote the text of the description, so as to remove copyright concerns. I can continue to rewrite this material, so as to remove any angst of Wikipedians such as yourself. Frankly, I think complaint regarding this article are baseless.
The Hacker's Conference is well described in a NOVA program (aired in the late 1980s), which documented the first such conference, held as I recall at Asilomar. So, the conference per se is notable, and should be described in a Wikipedia article.
William R. Buckley ( talk) 00:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hai, I started this article with my style of writing, reference taken from books in the public library there wont be any issue in copyright. Thank you, SanjaiMahi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjaymahi ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I performed a history merge on the articles rather than a purge, as the external site lists us as the source - so no copyvio here, happily. Best, – Toon (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I've been editing the page about Marc Lafia. I did not create the first entry, but have been working off of it to correct the issues noted by Wikipedia editors as regards copyrighted material and lack of secondary sources to validate claims about the subject.
I'm new to contributing content to Wikipedia. Is there a place on Wikipedia (the sandbox, maybe) where this article can be developed but not published to the site until it meets the standards of objectivity, etc.? If so, can you instruct me as to how I would move the text to that workspace?
Thank you, Jane Craford
PS - I know I could do all the article preparation offline, but it is helpful to work within Wikipedia to preview the formatting & test the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.74.50 ( talk) 22:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
All right! Will do. Thank you for your clear instructions. User:JCraford —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.77.98 ( talk) 23:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank You! Elluminati ( talk) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Somebody erroneously replaced the redirect at CPIM to an article. That means the history of the page does not belong to that article. So if we move the page all the history related to CPIM will go with an unrelated page. So created a page with an appropriate title for that article and copy pasted the article to that page, so that the article is not lost due to reversion. Aravind V R ( talk) 13:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt reply. I have just sent an email to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org to explain this rather complicated situation, and I'll try to sort it out. Since no one has told me, can you actually tell me what the problem is in the article (other than the copyright itself)? For the "independent, third-party reliable sources", can I use soundtechniques? I've quoted from his published CDs, which are reliable sources, but there are no websites for such things. He hasn't got a personal website himself, and as I've explained, it's his CV so I can't start changing things like the city name of "Moscow" to something else. Changing the article would distort the meaning, and is against the will of the copyholder, Peter Bradley-Fulgoni himself. The article in my opinion is in a neutral tone; there is no bias on it, and is certainly not advertising in any sense. It's like any other pianist's sites - go to Rubenstein etc., you could consider that as seriously biased as well. Hope this article will be opened again, and hope you understand the situation. Wtjulianchan ( talk) 16:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello
The following was left on a page i helped create (Jacky Jasper). I am not sure of what action I need to take. Would you please explain to me what I need to do according to your comments left.
requesting histpurge for article started as copyvio. Article retains content contributed by Darrick122
Thanks,
Darrick Angelone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darrick122 ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi. With regards to this, there's no definitive consensus as to whether these issues are indeed breaches of WP:V, WP:RS, etc. All I'm saying is that this particular RfA might not be the best place to discuss that. Hope this helps clear things up. – Juliancolton | Talk 21:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 03:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Since Moonriddengirl ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has taken care of the history purge, I have closed this request. She is very hardworking when it comes to copyvios and is quite helpful. In terms of moving forward, there are a number of venues that could help sort out any remaining issues. The reliable sources noticeboard is good for evaluating sources. The no original research noticeboard can help if there are concerns that the article goes further than the sources. There is also a general content noticeboard if the matter involves content issues not covered by a specific noticeboard. The biology, science, and math WikiProject talk pages are good places to ask for uninvolved editors to review and contribute to the article. Since some of your concerns regard overlinking and style considerations, I recommend Tony1 ( talk · contribs), Awadewit ( talk · contribs), and Eubulides ( talk · contribs) as good people to ask for advice. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know! -- Vassyana ( talk) 16:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Seeing that you have quickly amassed a decent amount of WP:CLUE of how things work here, I was wondering: Have you thought about running for adminship at all? If so, mind if I ask what your decision was? Regards So Why 20:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I see that you caught one that I missed. Good show. :) Best, Javért | Talk 08:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
There's still more in there and potentially yet another sock.
MLauba (
talk) 08:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC) Oops, no, not really. Nevermind, sorry
MLauba (
talk) 08:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you point out how exactly is the article a copyright violation? It is very little text, mostly information from his CV, which is difficult to paraphrase in any other way than what is currently in the article. If this is a copyvio, then by the same logic we should delete all "List of publications" sections from all articles of academics, as these are usually also directly taken from the person's CV. Please explain. Offliner ( talk) 10:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, please personally compare the article text [1] and the resume [2]. Offliner ( talk) 10:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This is the source:
Andrei P. Tsygankov is Professor at the departments of Political Science and International Relations at San Francisco State University. He teaches Russian/post-Soviet, comparative, and international politics since August 2000. A Russian native, Tsygankov is a graduate of Moscow State University (Candidate of Sciences, 1991) and University of Southern California (Ph.D., 2000).
This is the article:
Andrei Tsygankov is Professor at the departments of Political Science and International Relations at San Francisco State University, where he teaches Russian and post-Soviet, comparative, and international politics.
Now please explain why this is a copyright violation. How does the information need to be worded so that it's not? Please give an example. Offliner ( talk) 11:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
By the same token I don't see any point at all listing my article Flower Lane Church as a copyvio. The source text I referred to is a brief history of that church, which, just like Andrei Tsygankov's bio, consist of basic facts. It's very difficult to rewrite facts (and as an example please explain to me how to rewrite the sentence "The sun rises in the east" to avoid a copyvio?). Anyway, I did have tried as best as I could to paraphrase the facts without losing details or adding personal viewpoints to it, but I wonder why it still does not meet your requirement. Please understand that English is not my first language. If I completely put the source aside and rephrase it with my own words, I'm bound to lose detailed information. Please explain to me. :.< -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 15:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you please also post my case to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights? I wanna hear opinions from more people on this subject. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 15:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
...in 1949, the Chinese Church had to break off relations with foreign missions, and all church activities were strictly forbidden during the Cultural Revolution. On October 28, 1979, Siông-iū Dòng restored its religious activities and became the first church in Fuzhou that provided the regular service after the Cultural Revolution, with its name changed to Flower Lane Church, after the street name of its location.
In 1949, the China Church terminated the relationship with foreign churches and no more services were conducted during the Cultural Revolution. On October 28, 1979, the Flower Lane Church restored its religious service and became the first church in Fuzhou that performed the regular service after the Cultural Revolution. Consequently, it ..was renamed fromShang You Tangto the Flower Lane Church by conforming to its location.
The church was given its new name, Flower Lane Church after the street on which it is located, in 1979. It had at that point weathered a challenging period that lasted thirty years. In 1949, foreign churches were no longer permitted to interact with churches in China, and during the Cultural Revolution church services ceased. But after the Cultural Revolution ended, the church was able to continue, resuming regular services on October 28, 1979, before any other church in Fuzhou.
I give my thanks for the patience and help provided by all of you here. That article does need improving, and I will rewrite it this weekend. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 16:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all! I've done a new version of Flower Lane Church. Please consider removing the copyvio tag. -- GnuDoyng ( talk) 02:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)