Hi Louisar, though you have deleted all your edits of today in Talk:Opus Dei, I want to answer to your suggestion that for the author of the Unofficial homepage "leftist is more appropriate". This may be true, as you seem to know him personally. But here we have to stick to the published knowledge, and User:Mond on his user page labels himself as "Member of the Communist Party". -- Túrelio 20:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Louisar! I was mistaken. I suppose it has something to do with my using Google and Firefox. I can assure you my mistake was not intentional. :) Thomas 01:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Actually, the links are already in the bibliography. The bibliography was copied into the text of the article at some point. -- Alecmconroy 15:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Youre wrong. I don't know if you are catholic, but it is obvious that no lay catholic may be under the juridiction of OD rather than of his diocesan bishop. I will refer to canon law and correct your mistake another time. I appreciate your "harmony" stuff but it's not enough and not precise: these are legal matters first, opinion matters second (that is, critics of OD are saying that the shared jusrisdiction ( in principle and in the law) is not in fact shared, or is not shared enough). But jurisdiction is not a fact, it's a legal concept. May I add that youre looking like the boss about this article and it seems to me that you take all the place. At the moment, my reference is OD site - Place in the church:
"The Opus Dei Prelature is a jurisdictional structure belonging to the pastoral and hierarchical organisation of the Church. Like dioceses, territorial prelatures, vicariates and military ordinariates, it has its own autonomy and ordinary jurisdiction to carry out its mission in the service of the whole Church. For that reason it is dependent immediately and directly on the Roman Pontiff, through the Congregation for Bishops.
The authority of the prelate has to do only with the specific mission of the Prelature, and is thus in harmony with the authority of the diocesan bishop in regards to the ordinary pastoral care of the faithful of the diocese:
a) The lay faithful of Opus Dei are subject to the authority of the Prelate in all that refers to the fulfillment of the ascetical, formational, and apostolic commitments which they take up by the formal declaration incorporating them into the Prelature. By virtue of their content, these commitments do not interfere with the authority of the diocesan bishop. At the same time, the lay faithful of Opus Dei continue to be faithful of the dioceses in which they reside, and thus remain under the authority of the diocesan bishop in exactly the same way and regarding the same matters as any other baptized person in the diocese."
I've just cut and paste so i let the "harmony" (perhaps a NPOV problem there) word; but harmony is not the point. The point is the sharing, or more precisely, the delimitations of jurisdictions according to the specific goals. We're not dealing with opinions or criticism here, but with the laws and functionnig of Catholic Church. I'm not sure you're the most competent person about that. Let the others contribute.
Yours Louisar 17:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The reference to "specific spiritual mission"-- I don't know what that means in practice. Obviously, I know what Opus Dei's mission is, and I appreciate that Opus Dei's jurisdiction only extends to doing that mission-- it doesn't, for example, its jurisdiction doesn't cover running a for-profit lemonade stand, for example. I think this is obvious, but perhaps you're making a specific point I don't understand. In straightforward english, what exactly is it your trying to say with the "specific spiritual mission" statement? That OD doesn't conflict with diocese? that OD doesn't do things unrelated to spirituality? That OD is good, or that it has the sanction of the Holy See? If you tell me what point you want to make that you feel isn't being made in the article, maybe we can figure out a way to make it in ways that are verifiable, NPOV, and in encyclopedic tone. -- Alecmconroy 11:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Louisar, please don't edit war on Opus Dei. You have reverted the article three times in a couple of hours now. If you revert one more time within 24 hours, you will be in breach of the three-revert rule, and will be blocked from editing. Bishonen | talk 19:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
Hello Louisar, I redirected that article because Wikipedia is not a place to store biographies. We create encyclopedia articles, with bibliographies on the end. We are not a DMOZ, or an academic indexer. Other sites would be far better at this than us! That is why it was redirected. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Louisar, see my answer here:
[1]. You'll still find some bibliography in
Opus Dei: Priestly Society of the Holy Cross. --
Túrelio
22:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Louisar, though you have deleted all your edits of today in Talk:Opus Dei, I want to answer to your suggestion that for the author of the Unofficial homepage "leftist is more appropriate". This may be true, as you seem to know him personally. But here we have to stick to the published knowledge, and User:Mond on his user page labels himself as "Member of the Communist Party". -- Túrelio 20:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Louisar! I was mistaken. I suppose it has something to do with my using Google and Firefox. I can assure you my mistake was not intentional. :) Thomas 01:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Actually, the links are already in the bibliography. The bibliography was copied into the text of the article at some point. -- Alecmconroy 15:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Youre wrong. I don't know if you are catholic, but it is obvious that no lay catholic may be under the juridiction of OD rather than of his diocesan bishop. I will refer to canon law and correct your mistake another time. I appreciate your "harmony" stuff but it's not enough and not precise: these are legal matters first, opinion matters second (that is, critics of OD are saying that the shared jusrisdiction ( in principle and in the law) is not in fact shared, or is not shared enough). But jurisdiction is not a fact, it's a legal concept. May I add that youre looking like the boss about this article and it seems to me that you take all the place. At the moment, my reference is OD site - Place in the church:
"The Opus Dei Prelature is a jurisdictional structure belonging to the pastoral and hierarchical organisation of the Church. Like dioceses, territorial prelatures, vicariates and military ordinariates, it has its own autonomy and ordinary jurisdiction to carry out its mission in the service of the whole Church. For that reason it is dependent immediately and directly on the Roman Pontiff, through the Congregation for Bishops.
The authority of the prelate has to do only with the specific mission of the Prelature, and is thus in harmony with the authority of the diocesan bishop in regards to the ordinary pastoral care of the faithful of the diocese:
a) The lay faithful of Opus Dei are subject to the authority of the Prelate in all that refers to the fulfillment of the ascetical, formational, and apostolic commitments which they take up by the formal declaration incorporating them into the Prelature. By virtue of their content, these commitments do not interfere with the authority of the diocesan bishop. At the same time, the lay faithful of Opus Dei continue to be faithful of the dioceses in which they reside, and thus remain under the authority of the diocesan bishop in exactly the same way and regarding the same matters as any other baptized person in the diocese."
I've just cut and paste so i let the "harmony" (perhaps a NPOV problem there) word; but harmony is not the point. The point is the sharing, or more precisely, the delimitations of jurisdictions according to the specific goals. We're not dealing with opinions or criticism here, but with the laws and functionnig of Catholic Church. I'm not sure you're the most competent person about that. Let the others contribute.
Yours Louisar 17:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The reference to "specific spiritual mission"-- I don't know what that means in practice. Obviously, I know what Opus Dei's mission is, and I appreciate that Opus Dei's jurisdiction only extends to doing that mission-- it doesn't, for example, its jurisdiction doesn't cover running a for-profit lemonade stand, for example. I think this is obvious, but perhaps you're making a specific point I don't understand. In straightforward english, what exactly is it your trying to say with the "specific spiritual mission" statement? That OD doesn't conflict with diocese? that OD doesn't do things unrelated to spirituality? That OD is good, or that it has the sanction of the Holy See? If you tell me what point you want to make that you feel isn't being made in the article, maybe we can figure out a way to make it in ways that are verifiable, NPOV, and in encyclopedic tone. -- Alecmconroy 11:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Louisar, please don't edit war on Opus Dei. You have reverted the article three times in a couple of hours now. If you revert one more time within 24 hours, you will be in breach of the three-revert rule, and will be blocked from editing. Bishonen | talk 19:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
Hello Louisar, I redirected that article because Wikipedia is not a place to store biographies. We create encyclopedia articles, with bibliographies on the end. We are not a DMOZ, or an academic indexer. Other sites would be far better at this than us! That is why it was redirected. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Louisar, see my answer here:
[1]. You'll still find some bibliography in
Opus Dei: Priestly Society of the Holy Cross. --
Túrelio
22:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)