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Thanks, welcome to the editing community. You did a really good job on your first two articles, especially handling the referencing and template syntaxes. I'm not sure what to do about fixing the baseball section of Wikipedia. Those arguments on the project page were rather over the top. The editor who came in and tried to act like a mediator and call for a straw poll did the right thing, so hopefully a consensus is reached and they can edit more important and more enjoyable things. Perhaps baseball, or sports in general, are a little special in that there are so many different ways to looks at records and positions that they lend themselves to an exorbitant amount of templates and lists that other parts of the encyclopedia do not. One way to handle it is to take a deletionist attitude and remove all but the most important things. I do not particularly favor that philosophy and would rather see standards brought forth which promote consistency and coherency between articles, so that editors know exactly what is needed and what is supposed to be included. That may, or may not, help reduce unnecessary templates and see also entries. Like on Frank Robinson, those larger managerial templates are probably redundant with the managerial succession box. Using that show/hide feature also helps. It would be nice if there was more content attention and discussion, but I'm not sure what can be done about that. The more you edit, the more comfortable and confident you'll become when faced with things like project pages and arguments. By the way, I think the last line you put in that image you uploaded should stop the bot, but saying how you got the image might be helpful too. Cheers. Basar 07:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits today. On the Sleepy Bill Burns article, in particular, thanks for re-inserting the information about his pitching record. User tecmobowl had deleted, and I was wary of reverting it, given the reputation he seems to have developed as reflected on his talk page. Cbl62 05:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
...with the work on the Hall of Fame links, replacing the names with the player ID's, a tedious task. Baseball Bugs 05:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Long levi. As we have discussed this on the Hank Aaron talk page, see [1], pls return the fangraphs EL on that page. This has been the subject of an extensive discussion on the baseball wikiproject baseball page. The consensus was to include it as an EL. The one vociferous disagreeing editor -- Tecmobowl -- has been banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. To abide by the consensus on that page, you should put back the EL that you deleted. While you write that the "site does not offer anything that warrants its inclusion over the other sites," that is completely at odds with the consensus regarding Fangraphs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Deletions_by_Tecmobowl_of_hundreds_of_baseball_urls_w.2Funique_information.3B_failure_to_discuss.3B_edit_warring and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#External_links. While there was one user, Tecmobowl, a sockpuppet and abuser of Wiki policy, who deleted many of these ELs without consensus, he has been banned indefinitely for such behavior. Thank you. -- Epeefleche 13:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Long levi, welcome to Wikipedia. I've noticed that you've made some important contributions to a number of baseball articles in a short time. Wikipedia can certainly benefit from additional knowledgeable, energetic editors. I hope you you won't mind, however, if I pass along some advice. I've found that there is generally little conflict in expanding or adding verified and neutral content to articles, or in making useful, neutral corrections. Many baseball articles are stubs, so there are certainly ample opportunities to improve many articles by expanding them. While there are also articles that can use some pruning back, I'd recommend caution on that part of the editing process. Other editors have devoted time to writing articles and adding content that they think is important, so you are finding that there can be resistance to deleting content. Excess or repetitive content can be deleted, but to avoid opposition I recommend first discussing any proposed deletions on the talk page and to back off if other editors object. There is certainly enough good work to be done here that I hate to see efforts being wasted in fighting over edits that are not supported by consensus. In such cases, it is better to just move on and find some non-controversial tasks that need doing.
I hope you that you are not offended by the fact that I am making these suggestions, but I would really like for your editing experience here to be a good one. BRMo 23:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
...just as a formality, that we are building a sockpuppet case against you. A formal sockpuppet complaint will be filed soon, after we gather some more facts. Baseball Bugs 07:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Nishkid64 - Care to explain exactly why I was blocked? I don't see any sockcase or checkuser or open incident. I tried to find a compromise on an issue, was bullyied, and moved on. Long Levi 19:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
A preliminary checkuser came up as "possible" [5]
Complaining about the lack of focus on "content", and referring to other editors as "bullies" and use of the same misspelled expression about "chimming" in
Dual obsession with deleting the "fangraphs" website and claiming there is no consensus:
Resuming the complaint of 3 of us being enemies, trying to "draw him into a fight" over content, despite the fact that Baseball Bugs and I had said nearly nothing to him so far in his new guise except to raise one question.
Accusing other of "following him around", as Tecmo and his sockpuppet El redactor also complained about.
Modifying the Sleepy Bill Burns article, which Tecmobowl wrote.
Talking about reluctance to talk on the project page due to the "spat" even though Long levi was not involved in it, and again making a point (as Tecmo's proven sockpuppet El redactor did) about being "new"
Talking about being "bold", which was a favorite defense of Tecmobowl's, and also talking specifically about the Brad Ausmus page and again expressing fears about being attacked
They both talk about the content being crappy and how nobody can concentrate on the content without bringing in other issues.
Long Levi even defends Tecmo a few times without overtly naming him [26] [27].
Tecmo put in a bunch of templates for the Baseball hall of fame...and then Long Levi arrived and updated all those templates. There is also the fangraphs issue noted above. IrishGuy talk 22:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
This is unbelievable. Irishguy - you apparently have some history with Tecmobowl. Perhaps you should rethink how you present information. With regards to Bbhof template, two people reported a problem with it ( [28] and [29], How does fixing what was discussed equate me to a sock, regardless of who created the template. Why would someone who is so hell bent on destroying wikipedia be fixing problems that people bring up. With regards to Sleepy Bill Burns. I never had an issue with fangraphs. I had an issue with the discussion and an issue with having three stats sites. If you look at this edit, you will see that I even put fangraphs in place in an attempt to find a compromise. I seriously doubt that Tecmobowl would have done that. When Epeefleche asserted WP:OWN in a major way, I moved on as evident by this final edit to the talk page. Epeefleche has now stricken my comments as he wants here, here, and here. What exactly have i done that even began this? Epeefleche is the one that started the discussion, I never once said Fangraphs was a bad site? Where is the WP:AGF and where is the polite discussion? You will see that Epeefleche started a section on this page that borders on a WP:NPA, so what have I done to warrant this action? If i was Tecmobowl, then why did i put fangraphs back in? As another note, Epeefelche has taken it upon himself to announce to the world that I am a sock and have been banned. What good does that do and how is that fair? Long Levi 22:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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Request reason:
I have done nothing wrong and do not deserve to be blocked. I attempted to peacefully discuss a matter with someone who is very close to the issue on a personal level. When attempts failed, I moved on. How does that make me a sock?)
Decline reason:
Checkuser has indicated this account is possibly connected to a blocked editor and given the diffs that IrishGuy posted above, I'm disinclined to unblock you at this time. There are simply too many similarities between your edits and the edits of Tecmobowl.— Isotope23 14:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Again, I have done nothing wrong. No sockpuppet case was ever raised with me, no checkuser was raised on the noticeboards, and no due process took place. My ip for this edit is 70.223.193.159. That is owned by verizon as i use vzwireless to connect, how does this prove I am a sock of someone? I tried to improve the Hank Aaron article and another user simply bullied me. So I left and went to Hank Greenberg. Pointing out that I have cited some of the same guidelines and policies as the other user only proves that we both reading guidelines and policies. There was no due process and nothing that warranted this reaction. NOTE: I am now editing this page from 75.202.53.176, I simply disconnected and reconnected my internet connection. How does this make me a sock?
Decline reason:
There is an old saying, "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck". As I said in the original decline, there is simply too much similarity here to unblock at this time. Wikipedia isn't a court of law so an argument based on due process doesn't carry much merit either. — Isotope23 23:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
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Are you kidding me? If it looks like a duck it's a duck? So what you are saying is that while there are tools in place to allow people to evaluate these situations openly, you don't care because these guys said I am someone else. I put their link back in and they still bitched about it. I am shocked at this type of behavior and begining to see why Tecmobowl had such a problem with this place. Long Levi 00:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, Long levi, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{
helpme}}
before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --
Pointe LaRoche
03:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Louis sockalexis portrait.jpg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.
For more information on using images, see the following pages:
This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 05:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, welcome to the editing community. You did a really good job on your first two articles, especially handling the referencing and template syntaxes. I'm not sure what to do about fixing the baseball section of Wikipedia. Those arguments on the project page were rather over the top. The editor who came in and tried to act like a mediator and call for a straw poll did the right thing, so hopefully a consensus is reached and they can edit more important and more enjoyable things. Perhaps baseball, or sports in general, are a little special in that there are so many different ways to looks at records and positions that they lend themselves to an exorbitant amount of templates and lists that other parts of the encyclopedia do not. One way to handle it is to take a deletionist attitude and remove all but the most important things. I do not particularly favor that philosophy and would rather see standards brought forth which promote consistency and coherency between articles, so that editors know exactly what is needed and what is supposed to be included. That may, or may not, help reduce unnecessary templates and see also entries. Like on Frank Robinson, those larger managerial templates are probably redundant with the managerial succession box. Using that show/hide feature also helps. It would be nice if there was more content attention and discussion, but I'm not sure what can be done about that. The more you edit, the more comfortable and confident you'll become when faced with things like project pages and arguments. By the way, I think the last line you put in that image you uploaded should stop the bot, but saying how you got the image might be helpful too. Cheers. Basar 07:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits today. On the Sleepy Bill Burns article, in particular, thanks for re-inserting the information about his pitching record. User tecmobowl had deleted, and I was wary of reverting it, given the reputation he seems to have developed as reflected on his talk page. Cbl62 05:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
...with the work on the Hall of Fame links, replacing the names with the player ID's, a tedious task. Baseball Bugs 05:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Long levi. As we have discussed this on the Hank Aaron talk page, see [1], pls return the fangraphs EL on that page. This has been the subject of an extensive discussion on the baseball wikiproject baseball page. The consensus was to include it as an EL. The one vociferous disagreeing editor -- Tecmobowl -- has been banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. To abide by the consensus on that page, you should put back the EL that you deleted. While you write that the "site does not offer anything that warrants its inclusion over the other sites," that is completely at odds with the consensus regarding Fangraphs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Deletions_by_Tecmobowl_of_hundreds_of_baseball_urls_w.2Funique_information.3B_failure_to_discuss.3B_edit_warring and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#External_links. While there was one user, Tecmobowl, a sockpuppet and abuser of Wiki policy, who deleted many of these ELs without consensus, he has been banned indefinitely for such behavior. Thank you. -- Epeefleche 13:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Long levi, welcome to Wikipedia. I've noticed that you've made some important contributions to a number of baseball articles in a short time. Wikipedia can certainly benefit from additional knowledgeable, energetic editors. I hope you you won't mind, however, if I pass along some advice. I've found that there is generally little conflict in expanding or adding verified and neutral content to articles, or in making useful, neutral corrections. Many baseball articles are stubs, so there are certainly ample opportunities to improve many articles by expanding them. While there are also articles that can use some pruning back, I'd recommend caution on that part of the editing process. Other editors have devoted time to writing articles and adding content that they think is important, so you are finding that there can be resistance to deleting content. Excess or repetitive content can be deleted, but to avoid opposition I recommend first discussing any proposed deletions on the talk page and to back off if other editors object. There is certainly enough good work to be done here that I hate to see efforts being wasted in fighting over edits that are not supported by consensus. In such cases, it is better to just move on and find some non-controversial tasks that need doing.
I hope you that you are not offended by the fact that I am making these suggestions, but I would really like for your editing experience here to be a good one. BRMo 23:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
...just as a formality, that we are building a sockpuppet case against you. A formal sockpuppet complaint will be filed soon, after we gather some more facts. Baseball Bugs 07:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Nishkid64 - Care to explain exactly why I was blocked? I don't see any sockcase or checkuser or open incident. I tried to find a compromise on an issue, was bullyied, and moved on. Long Levi 19:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
A preliminary checkuser came up as "possible" [5]
Complaining about the lack of focus on "content", and referring to other editors as "bullies" and use of the same misspelled expression about "chimming" in
Dual obsession with deleting the "fangraphs" website and claiming there is no consensus:
Resuming the complaint of 3 of us being enemies, trying to "draw him into a fight" over content, despite the fact that Baseball Bugs and I had said nearly nothing to him so far in his new guise except to raise one question.
Accusing other of "following him around", as Tecmo and his sockpuppet El redactor also complained about.
Modifying the Sleepy Bill Burns article, which Tecmobowl wrote.
Talking about reluctance to talk on the project page due to the "spat" even though Long levi was not involved in it, and again making a point (as Tecmo's proven sockpuppet El redactor did) about being "new"
Talking about being "bold", which was a favorite defense of Tecmobowl's, and also talking specifically about the Brad Ausmus page and again expressing fears about being attacked
They both talk about the content being crappy and how nobody can concentrate on the content without bringing in other issues.
Long Levi even defends Tecmo a few times without overtly naming him [26] [27].
Tecmo put in a bunch of templates for the Baseball hall of fame...and then Long Levi arrived and updated all those templates. There is also the fangraphs issue noted above. IrishGuy talk 22:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
This is unbelievable. Irishguy - you apparently have some history with Tecmobowl. Perhaps you should rethink how you present information. With regards to Bbhof template, two people reported a problem with it ( [28] and [29], How does fixing what was discussed equate me to a sock, regardless of who created the template. Why would someone who is so hell bent on destroying wikipedia be fixing problems that people bring up. With regards to Sleepy Bill Burns. I never had an issue with fangraphs. I had an issue with the discussion and an issue with having three stats sites. If you look at this edit, you will see that I even put fangraphs in place in an attempt to find a compromise. I seriously doubt that Tecmobowl would have done that. When Epeefleche asserted WP:OWN in a major way, I moved on as evident by this final edit to the talk page. Epeefleche has now stricken my comments as he wants here, here, and here. What exactly have i done that even began this? Epeefleche is the one that started the discussion, I never once said Fangraphs was a bad site? Where is the WP:AGF and where is the polite discussion? You will see that Epeefleche started a section on this page that borders on a WP:NPA, so what have I done to warrant this action? If i was Tecmobowl, then why did i put fangraphs back in? As another note, Epeefelche has taken it upon himself to announce to the world that I am a sock and have been banned. What good does that do and how is that fair? Long Levi 22:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Long levi ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I have done nothing wrong and do not deserve to be blocked. I attempted to peacefully discuss a matter with someone who is very close to the issue on a personal level. When attempts failed, I moved on. How does that make me a sock?)
Decline reason:
Checkuser has indicated this account is possibly connected to a blocked editor and given the diffs that IrishGuy posted above, I'm disinclined to unblock you at this time. There are simply too many similarities between your edits and the edits of Tecmobowl.— Isotope23 14:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Long levi ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Again, I have done nothing wrong. No sockpuppet case was ever raised with me, no checkuser was raised on the noticeboards, and no due process took place. My ip for this edit is 70.223.193.159. That is owned by verizon as i use vzwireless to connect, how does this prove I am a sock of someone? I tried to improve the Hank Aaron article and another user simply bullied me. So I left and went to Hank Greenberg. Pointing out that I have cited some of the same guidelines and policies as the other user only proves that we both reading guidelines and policies. There was no due process and nothing that warranted this reaction. NOTE: I am now editing this page from 75.202.53.176, I simply disconnected and reconnected my internet connection. How does this make me a sock?
Decline reason:
There is an old saying, "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck". As I said in the original decline, there is simply too much similarity here to unblock at this time. Wikipedia isn't a court of law so an argument based on due process doesn't carry much merit either. — Isotope23 23:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Are you kidding me? If it looks like a duck it's a duck? So what you are saying is that while there are tools in place to allow people to evaluate these situations openly, you don't care because these guys said I am someone else. I put their link back in and they still bitched about it. I am shocked at this type of behavior and begining to see why Tecmobowl had such a problem with this place. Long Levi 00:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)