--LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)== Welcome! ==
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Please put me in contact with someone who can help me create a Wikipedia page. I have tried many times to do it myself, but get nowhere.
My current Wikipedia web page layout is at: /info/en/?search=User:LeonRaper/About_you
I need suggestions how to bring the web page up to full Wikipedia compliance.
Thanks,
Hubert Leon Raper
A tag has been placed on your user page, User:LeonRaper/About you, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages; user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.
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Please do not write or add to an article about yourself. Creating an
autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on
writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for
articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see
Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see:
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Theroadislong (
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16:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I am responding here, because the nature of your question is not really confidential. In fact, I see from the notices on this talk page that your question has already been answered at the Teahouse. In order for an article to be acceptable here, it needs to be notable (in the WP sense, this has nothing to do with good/bad/meritorious/etc), which should be verifiable by references to independent reliable sources. Your draft missed all that: there was not a single reference. In addition, it was completely unencyclopedic, being more of an autobiographic essay (headings such as "Dancing Became My Life" or "Dance - Enjoy the Journey" are not encyclopedic at all). I have put an extended "welcome" template at the top of this page. Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines and policies listed, that will make your life here much easier. Creating articles is one of the hardest things to do on WP and it becomes exponentially harder if the article in question is an autobiography, because only very, very few people are able to write about themselves in a neutral and encyclopedic manner. Hope this helps. -- Randykitty ( talk) 14:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
I have been waiting for quite some time trying to get Wikipedia to accept my new Wikipedia page submission at: /info/en/?search=User:LeonRaper/About_you
I have been in contact with David E. Siegel and several others, but still no final response. If there is any approval problem then please have one of your people who do work on dancing articles contact me. I think someone is trying to keep me from being accepted and I'll tell you who it is if you ask.
A tag has been placed on User:LeonRaper/About you requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free Web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Joseph2302 ( talk) 09:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia has rules about what type of external links can be used and where they go. These are in
the guidelines for external links. In general external links are not acceptable on your user page. It is OK to put some information about yourself on your user page but it is not the place for promotion or resume like information. Please see
Wikipedia:User pages,
WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and
WP:FAKEARTICLE for our rules. If I can be of more help please feel free to contact me on my talk page or {{
ping}} me by placing {{ping|Jbhunley}}
on any talk page and signing the edit with ~~~~
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Jbh
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14:14, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Leon Raper. I just want to let you know that I have added Template:Draft article to Draft:Leon Raper. I did this just to make it a bit clearer that your draft is a "work in progress" and not yet an article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that can be edited pretty much by anyone anywhere in the world at anytime with the only real requirement being access to the Internet. Articles are improved gradually over time through collaboration and we as editors do not own the articles we create or edit. Edits on judged according to their compliance with Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines, Wikipedia's manual of style and whether a consensus has been established. We as editors also do not own our drafts, but we are given a little more freedom when it comes to editing/improving them since they are not yet in the article namespace. Most experienced editors refrain from directly editing them unless we specifically request that they do so or there is a seriously policy violation (such as a copyright violation or a violation of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons, etc.) which requires immediate attention.
My suggestion to you is to continue to work on your draft until you feel it is ready for article status and then submit it via Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AfC). This will give experienced AfC reviewers that chance to assess the draft and suggest ways of improving it as needed. The AfC process is not designed to create perfect articles since no Wikipedia article is ever perfect; it is designed to check whether the subject matter meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines and thus warrants inclusion in the encyclopedia. Please try and understand that there are over 5,000,0000 articles currently on Wikipedia and unfortunately many of these should never have been added in the first place. Many of these end up being quickly deleted, but others may fly under the radar for years before being noticed. AfC is no guarantee that anything you submit will be added or retained, but does perhaps improve the odds a little bit. Do not get discouraged if your draft is rejected, but instead try to make the improvements suggested by the AfC reviewers or ask for assistance at places like the Teahouse or Wikipedia:Requested articles.
Finally, as has been pointed out to you by others, writing autobiographies is something not really encouraged by Wikipedia. It's not expressly prohibited, but it's something really discouraged because of the obvious conflict of interest (COI). Therefore, I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide just to familiarize yourself with is expected of COI editors. Lots of people seem to think that having an article written about them on Wikipedia is only a good thing, but there can be a downside to it as well per Wikipedia's law of unintended consequences. Remember anything added to the article namespace is free game for anyone to edit and that the subjects of articles or their creators are not given any final editorial control over what is added/removed. This means that articles, etc. often end up as something completely different from what their creator originally intended or include information that the subject of the article might not want known. Good luck with your draft. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
A tag has been placed on Leon Raper, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. CAPTAIN RAJU ( ✉) 11:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Dear Theroadislong, Why did you add the following link to References, ^ California Swing Dance Hall of Fame: California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, accessdate: May 6, 2016? I was told by others at Wikipedia to not include any links to outside sources. So, I removed all the links from everything that I original page submission. I am removing that link. Hubert Leon Raper 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how to tell you how to get an article about you published if you are not willing to read the pages given and learn. Unless you learn how to make the page acceptable, you will need to wait until a volunteer takes the time to fix the draft. Also do not put your phone number inn pages in Wikipedia anymore. No one is going to call you. -- GB fan 11:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for pursuing trying to get my article published. None of the people at Wikipedia will understand my problems until you all reach the age of 80 - which I guess will not be in my lifetime. I think you are all wonderful people, but just telling people to read a Wikipedia page doesn't solve my problem. I really appreciate your help. Thanks Hubert Leon Raper 12:24, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I have documentation on every thing I put in my references, except for the "Queen Of The Stardust Ballroom" movie. However, I can even provide references to other people who were also in that movie. I have boxes full of documentation on everything else going back to the 1960's, including copies & pictures of everything. What else do you want? Hubert Leon Raper 13:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry Theroadislong, You obviously didn't look at each of my references. They all are from published media, and I have copies of all that documentation. Hubert Leon Raper 14:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Theroadislong, I was told in several prior contact with others at Wikipedia that I was not to include any external links. I already had them in my page, but I then took them out. Now, regarding proof of my Reference documents, all entries here include the name of the document publisher, such as: Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, "Orange County Register, October 27, 1974" (Article & Pictures). What now Coach? Hubert Leon Raper 14:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I am so sorry if I respond incorrectly, I don't mean too. It is difficult dealing with so many different people at Wikipedia, some with different opinions than others. I am trying my best to complete this project. Leon Raper
Hi Theroadislong & Joseph2302. I am leaving your updates on my web page. Thanks for all your help, Hubert Leon Raper 15:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, LeonRaper! I'm
Marchjuly. I have replied to your question about
Draft:Leon Raper at the
WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk.
Marchjuly (
talk)
22:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Marchjuly,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hello! LeonRaper,
I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the
Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the
Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!
Onel5969
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14:42, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
A tag has been placed on Leon Raper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Wgolf ( talk) 03:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at
Leon Raper. Creating an
autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on
writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for
articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see
Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see:
Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you.
Wgolf (
talk)
03:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Please tell me what makes you think anything on my page is autobiographical. You are wrong. Nothing on my page says who wrote it. Nothing on my page is autobiographical. Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 03:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Wgolf,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I have tired to help you create an article with the correct reliable third party sources at Draft:Leon Raper you have now removed the only correct references in the article (to the awards) the article stands no chance of being published in it's present state and if you continue deleting the only good content I can't help you further. Theroadislong ( talk) 07:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
You are driving everyone who might have wanted to help you away. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, when someone such as yourself says that don't understand how to do something others help. When that help is then rejected, people don't want to help. You say you don't understand how to do it yourself but it doesn't look like you want anyone else to fix the draft article either. Good luck trying to find people to help you. -- GB fan 10:46, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi GB,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
As to hiring someone to write your biography, it is not forbidden but the person you hire must disclose that they have been hired by you to write your article. This is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use and more on those rules can be found in WP:PAID. I know all of this can be confusing and frustrating but many hundreds of people per week try to make an article about themself or someone they have been paid, and not disclosed they are paid, to create. So we have these rules to keep Wikipedia from being flooded and to insure minimum standards in our content. Please read the items I have linked in blue and feel free to ask me about anything you find unclear. Jbh Talk 17:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Billions of people throughout the world wouldn't have a clue who wrote my article. Only Wikipedia people know who wrote it. Why do Wikipedia people keep pursuing this Autobiography issue? I ask many Wikipedia people to show me one word on my page that indicates I wrote it. Not one of you responded. Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 18:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
We have been going round and round for over a month dealing with many different issues. We all have to stop this and deal with one issue at a time. The first issue I want to deal with is Autobiography. If this can't be solved then we might as well shut down my Wikipedia page. But first consider the following.
Yes, Wikipedia people know I wrote my page. However, I also asked all of them to tell me about any word on my page that indicates I wrote it. None of the reviewers came back with an answer.
If Wikipedia publishes my page there will be billions of people throughout the world who don't have a clue who wrote the page.
Please, all reviewers get on board so we can calm this down and deal with one issue at a time.
I would really appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 21:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I am really sorry. I completely forgot that information about myself on my page was rewritten by Rhonda Robbins. I have mentioned her name quite a few times in my contacts with Wikipedia. I have never met her, but for some reason she contacted me back on April 26, 2016. She took my original information, rewrote it and sent it to me. Ronda's direct contact information is mylifeisgood48@yahoo.com Below is her final result in my References section. I already edited this information into my page.
References (Prepared by Others)
World Swing Dance Hall of Fame, 2015 (Special Recognition Award)US OPEN 2015 Hall of Fame Leon Raper 6 6MB California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, 2010 (Golden Stars Award) ... California Swing Dance Hall of Fame Le chant des Eve, La danse des Adam, by Stephanie Del Regno, 2012 ISBN 978-2-36696-002-0 ... West Coast Swing (Page 294 Article & Picture) Dance Corner, Visitors Feedback (1998-2002) ... http://www.dancecorner.com/feedback/index.html Queen of the Stardust Ballroom Movie (February 1975) ... Mr. Raper was a dancer in the movie ... /info/en/?search=Queen_of_the_Stardust_Ballroom Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, Orange County Register, October 27, 1974 (Article & Pictures) Dance Terminology Notebook, by Skippy Blair, 1995 ISBN 0-932-980-11-2 ... Mr. Raper was a Proof Reader of this book - Dancer - Teacher Disco To Tango and Back, by Skippy Blair, 1978 ISBN 0-932-980-01-05 ... Jitterbug Club of America (Note Pg 189)
Resident Has Links to the Stars, Camp Verde Journal, October 2, 2002 ... (Article & Picture) Two Left Feet No Obstacle to Dancing the Night Away - With Proper Teaching, Verde Valley News, Arts & Entertainment Section, January 19, 2001 ... (Article & Picture) Cutting a Rug Ballroom Style, Camp Verde Journal, by Rachel Flegenheimer, November 1, 2000 ... (Article & Pictures) Let's Go Do the Hop, Verde Valley News, by Pamela Williams & Paula Blankenship, November 1998 ...(Article & Pictures) Swingin It, Lumberjack News, September 1998 ... (Article & picture) Lindy Hop Class, Camp Verde Journal, July 1998 ... (Article & Many Pictures) US Swing Dance Council, Swing Dance Journal, October 1992 (Article & Picture) Thousands of Spins Later, He's Still Swinging, Arizona Daily Sun, June 8, 1992 ... (Article & Picture) Thousands of Spins Later, He's Still Swinging,Arizona Daily Sun, June 6, 1992, (Article & Picture) Champion dancer two-steps way from Hollywood to NAU, Lumberjack News, April 8, 1992 ...DELETE THIS IS A DUPLICATE Champion Dancer Two-Steps His Way from Hollywood to NAU, Lumberjack News, April 8, 1992 ... (Article & Picture) Swing Around The Circuit, Jitterbug Magazine, September 1992 (Pg 23) ... (Article & Picture) Dance Instructor H. Leon Raper, Swing Dance Journal, October 1992 (Pg 5) ... (Article & Picture) YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE: Arizona Daily Sun, April 16, 1989 ... (Words & Picture) YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE: (Mr Raper is mentioned, related to dance, in many web sites & writings by others)
I just sent Rhonda an email to see if she would rewrite my entire Wikipedia page. If she says yes then I will accept what she writes.
As I said I mentioned her name in several contact with Wikipedia people. I hope she will help me. When I said I don't know her personally. I really meant it. You can contact her directly to verify that.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 02:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed that you have not been indenting your discussions. Please take a bit of time to read
User:Jbhunley/How to edit talk pages for a quick guide on how to indent so others have an easier time following a conversation. I have taken the liberty of properly indenting this section as an example. Also please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~
at the end of your post. Cheers.
Jbh
Talk
03:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 03:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) Hi Jbhunley,
Sorry, I'm new at creating Wikipedia contact responses and web pages. I thought I entered ~~~~
in just the 4 whatever symbols. I'm new so I need constant info.
Hubert Leon Raper
Hubert Leon Raper 03:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm sorry I just noticed your request to have me list below which of the above source contain two or more paragraphs specifically about you and your accomplishments. The following would be major information:
Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, Orange County Register, October 27, 1974 (Article & Pictures)
Queen of the Stardust Ballroom Movie (February 1975) ... Mr. Raper was a dancer in the movie ... /info/en/?search=Queen_of_the_Stardust_Ballroom
Le chant des Eve, La danse des Adam, by Stephanie Del Regno, 2012 ISBN 978-2-36696-002-0 ... West Coast Swing (Page 294 Article & Picture)
Sorry, I didn't figure this out for you. I also didn't understand what you meant by indenting.
There are some YouTube videos that I will look into regarding Wikipedia editing.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) Hubert Leon Raper 04:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Hubert Leon Raper. I noticed your question about indentation. There are examples of what indentation is Wikipedia:Indentation, so if you go to that page you should find the information you need. You can also find an explanation on how to properly indent your posts at Help:Using talk pages#Indentation. I understand you sometimes find Wikipedia pages confusing, but I cannot really summarize things any better that what is done on those pages. Please look at the examples (it shouldn't take long) and then try practicing a bit in your user sandbox. Your user sandbox is like your own personal Wikipedia Etch A Sketch where you can practice editing and formatting and make as many mistakes as you like. You can access it by clicking the "Sandbox" link at the very top top right of this page between "Talk" and "Preferences". If after doing this you still are not sure how to indent your posts, then I will try a different approach. Good luck. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Hubert Leon Raper. So far, the focus of the draft you are writing seems to be entirely based upon your accomplishments in the field of dance. You have, however, mentioned the following in previous talk page posts:
In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.(see here); and
Guess what, my real business is Vegas88.com. For over 40 years I have been booking TV and film stars all over the U.S. and Canada into personal appearance events. I have been using Wikipedia for many years to find out how to contact these people. Wikipedia lists their personal web site. links to imdb.com, and sometimes many other contact links. I was also a Talent Agent in Beverly Hills for 10 years. Dance is not my business. I do it for enjoyment and to help other dancers find dance information.(see here).
For some reason, you have not included any of the above information in your draft. Wikipedia biographies are intended to be about an individual in his or her entirety and often include information from their early years through their professional and post professional careers, sometimes even including information about their personal lives. Is there some reason you have decided not to include this information in the draft? The reason I'm asking is that it may help establish your Wikipedia notability if you can show you have received significant coverage in reliable sources for your accomplishments in your other endeavors besides dance. It seems that dance is only one part of who your are, and all you really need to establish is that you have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources for any of your career/personal accomplishments. You might actually be doing yourself a disservice by focusing solely on your career in swing dancing if you've received significant coverage in reliable sources for the other things you have accomplished. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have 2 .pdf files containing Articles and Pictures (1) Orange County Register, Oct 1974 and (2) Jitterbug Magazine, Sept 1992. Just let me know how to get them to you.
Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 15:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonRaper ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC+9)
Hubert Leon Raper 12:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 12:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I followed a thread from another talk page, and have seen that you need help. Specifically, you need someone to write a (your) biography. So, here's the thing- Wikipedia is one of the world's largest websites, and it pretty complex!! Now, writing an article is like writing a "term paper", like we did in junior high/high school. We have to show our sources and use footnotes (citations, in Wikipedia terms). I am willing to write a biography for Leon Raper, but in order to do so, I need to gather my sources and read about him. This is where "notability" comes in...I have to be able to find the information, because I have never heard of him, and don't know anything about him. Does this make sense? I need to look a few things, and will get back to you. Tribe of Tiger ( talk) 22:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Various things have been posted on various user talk pages about Draft:Leon Raper, so maybe it's time to try and centralize and further discussions about the draft and how to improve it at Draft talk:Leon Raper. Keeping everything in one place will make it easier for everyone to follow what is going on and also make it easier for others to comment as well. Is this acceptable to everyone who has been trying to help so far? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Hubert Leon Raper. I got your email and I appreciate the kinds words. Please understand, however, that I prefer to conduct all discussion related to Wikipedia via Wikipedia as much as possible unless there are specific personal privacy related matters which need to be address. So, I will not be replying to you via email. Again, while I appreciate the kind words, there was nothing you wrote in the email that you couldn't have simply posted on my user talk page. I tried to explain to you very early on that all editors are volunteers who value their privacy and that Wikipedia matters are usually best discussed on Wikipedia.
If an editor wants others to know his or her email address, then he or she will make that information available on their user page. If another editor wants to exchange off-wiki emails with another editor then he or she will either contact the other editor via email or ask that the other editor contact him or her via email. If you are having specific Wikipedia problems that you do not feel comfortable discussing on public talk pages, then you can email the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team ("OTRS") using one of the email addresses listed in Wikipedia:Contact OTRS and ask for assistance. You can also get assistance from experienced editors using Wikipedia's online chat room Wikipedia:IRC by following the instructions in Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial. I have never used the IRC service myself, but I believe it does allow you to receive real time assistance and that there are always experienced editors who can try and answer your questions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Please do not send me any more emails. If you want to discuss the draft, then please do so at Draft:Leon Raper so that other editors can participate in the discussion. That is the whole point of trying to keep everything centralized and working colaboratively with others. I tried to be polite in my above post, but I am not interested at all in discussing the draft with you privately via email. I hope you can understand and respect this because I have no intention of replying to you via email. If you would still like my help, then let's try and keep everything on Wikipedia where it belongs, OK? Otherwise, I wish you good luck with the draft and am going to move on to other things.
I've posted this before, but you seem only concerned about what Wikipedia and what others can do for you to get this draft moved into the article mainspace. You need to realize, however, that there is only so much that those of us working on it can do if you have not received the significant coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require for a stand-alone article. I may understand how Wikipedia works better than you do, but I have no special say in deciding which drafts are approved. Wikipedia is a community of volunteers where everyone works together doing a little bit here and a little bit there in an attempt to try and gradually improve the overall quality of the encyclopedia. Sometimes this means declining drafts or deleting articles which are not up to Wikipedia's standards. This may not seem fair, but Wikipedia's policies and guidelines have been established over many years through a consensus of this community, which means that sometimes things don't always go as we may like. I am sorry if you feel this post is negative, but you need to try and understand that we are not here to write your article for you because there is really no "your article" when it comes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles are not written for people or things simply because those people or things happen to want (for whatever reason) a Wikipedia article; Wikipedia articles are written about people or things because those people or things have received the significant coverage in independent reliable sources that is required. This is a very important thing about Wikipedia and there's really very little room to maneuver when it comes to that. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
The following appears in my Internet section of my Draft section:
Raper was one of the first web site developers on the internet related to swing dancing.[citation needed]
I obtained two domain names that any swing dancer who was first on the internet would have obtained. They were SwingDance.com and LindyHop.com. This should be a good enough citation.
Hubert Leon Raper 14:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 16:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 16:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I have just cleaned up the Internet section on my page. There is no longer a need for a citation.
LeonRaper 23:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I sent about 10 .pdf files from which their information needs to be linked to the respective documents listed under References on my page. Also, a few items on that page bring up blank pages instead of the .pdf reference I supplied. I wish I knew how to do this and I would do it myself. However I don't know I am mentally competent to do that.
Hubert Leon Raper 17:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- stop emailing me. I don't respond to emails unless there's a reason it can't be discussed on here. Also, I'm not even involved with editing the draft anymore, I got fed up of wasting time on it ages ago.
This is your final warning- I am hereby banning you from emailing me and from editing my talkpage. If you do either of these things, I will seek the help of administrators to take action against your harassment. Joseph2302 ( talk) 23:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC) Hubert Leon Raper 00:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I am very sorry. I didn't know I was emailing you. Wikipedia is much too complicated for me to know how to do anything. I won't bother you any more.
Hubert Leon Raper 00:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Jbhunley gave me his real email address and I emailed the 10 .pdf files to him as attachments to the email. I would be happy to send them to anyone else, but I need a real email address so I can attach the files.
I'm not sure a .pdf file is the correct format for the Wikipedia system. That would probably require Adobe Acrobat to open the files. There must be another file format you need. As I mentioned two of the .pdf files already on my References page open to blank screens.
Thanks for your help, Hubert Leon Raper 15:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Try:
http://www.swingdance.com/Jitterbug Magazine 9-1992.pdf ... This will not work because there is a symbol placed between Jitterbuf and magazine when I save this page Hubert Leon Raper 17:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't know why it is working for you.
Line 1: It does not work on my web page. Try it at /info/en/?search=Draft:Leon_Raper
Line 4 There is also another link that that does not work. try it at: http://swingdance.com/Orange%20County%20Register%2010-27-1974.pdf
If these Reference lines work on your machine then "Houston We Have A Problem" that has to be solved. Hubert Leon Raper 18:32, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
You are absolutely correct. I tried it an another computer and it worked. However, using Adobe is a pain in the <beep> for readers. Do you know how to convert pdf files to html files? I see there are quite a few sources to do that on the internet. If you can't do it I'll try myself on all 10 of my .pdf files. By the way did you get all 10 files emailed to you? Thank you very much.
Thank you and I will review your Wikipedia page references. I am very sorry, but I don't have a PhD in Wikipedia. I am just trying to survive getting my Wikipedia page completed. I really appreciate your help. LeonRaper 04:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I am just trying to survive getting my Wikipedia page completed. If you keep posting things such as that, other editors are going to start to question your motives for editing. They might assume (perhaps unfairly) that you are more interested in self-promotion: not so much as for financial gain, but perhaps because you feel you should be somehow recognized for your achievements. That's not what Wikipedia is really about. Wikipedia is not for telling the world who you are; Wikipedia is only for letting the world know what independent reliable sources have said about you. Our role as editors is to take whatever information can be found in those reliable sources, and express it in our own words in a way that complies with Wikipedia's standards. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Swing Dance Hall of Fame. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
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blocked from editing.
The requirements for proper sourcing have been repeatedly explained to you at
Draft talk:Leon Raper and your talk page. I think that the tolerance extended to new editors has pretty much reached an end.
Jbh
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19:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at
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19:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, LeonRaper. We
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Sorry Thomas, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Dancing has been my life. I have spent thousands of hours creating web sites to provide dancers with free information throughout the world. LeonRaper 02:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you purposefully and blatantly
harass a fellow Wikipedian, as you did at
User talk:Theroadislong.
Joseph2302 (
talk)
11:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you
use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising. Wikipedia is
not a mechanism for you to promote yourself, so please stop.
Joseph2302 (
talk)
11:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
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13:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry to say that with yet another AFC submission of your article declined and no prospect for more sources with significant coverage it is my firm opinion you do not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion in the encyclopedia. This is in no way meant to diminish your decades of work or your accomplishments. I simply mean that the sources are not sufficiant to demonstrate notability. I believe further submissions to AFC without significant improvement in the article would be considered disruptive and would likely lead to administrative sanction.
I hope you will consider continuing to participate as an editor here on Wikipedia. Your extensive knowledge about dance and the engineering and Hollywood knowledge would make you a very valluable contributor in those areas. Jbh Talk 16:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
{{
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Drmies (
talk)
18:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)Keep in mind that you're not dealing/interacting with employees of Wikipedia. You're interacting with total volunteers who are in no way formally associated with or employed by Wikipedia...this is actually how Wikipedia works...hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world build Wikipedia, and keep each other in line via policy that was agreed upon via consensus..(so none of these people are obligated to interact with you as if they are employees who owe you "customer service.")
You seem to be an accomplished guy who is notable within certain dance communities. This may not, however, make you notable in the way Wikipedia has defined it for an article topic..It's possible you are; but this would have to be properly established just like it has to be for any other potential article topic (via the notability guidelines)..If you fail at notability here, no big deal...it's possible you still have content that could be included in other articles (ie "Swing Dance" etc and perhaps even links to some of your websites could possibly be included there...best to propose on the TALK pages of these articles first though).. 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 18:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I know it may be a bit of a blow to you to hear that your life is "not notable", but please understand that this will be true for the vast majority of people. I myself work in a high-profile field, and could easily put together an article about myself (under my real name) with many citations, but it really wouldn't be enough to pass the Wikipedia notability standards, and I would expect that it would be deleted because of that.
Please note that the block put on you is not infinite, it is "indefinite". That means that it can be lifted at any time. There is a procedure to do so - which is noted on the block notice above - and you're welcome to file an unblock request. However, speaking for myself (a non-admin) and not for Drmies or any other Wikipedia admin, I would imagine that your unblock request would be better received if you pledged not to try to create another article about yourself, and to try your best to learn to follow Wikipedia's policies and customary procedures. We always need editors here to contribute to improving the encyclopedia, and would love to welcome you as a participant, so please give what I've written some thought, and decide if you would like to be part of the Wikipedia community under those terms. My best to you, BMK ( talk) 19:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sick of Wikipedia talking about me not notable enough. If you really believe that then just delete my proposed page because you don't know anything about me. LeonRaper 01:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Dear Mr Raper, from a lot of the interactions I've seen here on your talk page and elsewhere there seems to be a disparity over what you consider notability and what Wikipedia considers notability. Wikipedia's definition of notability is quite stringent. Yes, you certainly have provided references and citations that mention your name in regards to your activities within Swing dance. However, notability is established by use of reliable sourcing and verification. These two terms have very specific meanings on Wikipedia. Reliable sources are required to have extensive editorial oversight of their publications, such sources include major newspapers and news outlets, both online and offline. For example, information about a movie published on the website Rotten Tomatoes is considered reliable whereas information published on IMDB.com is not considered reliable because it is largely user generated with little oversight. There are exceptions even within major news outlets. For instance, Fox News is never considered reliable largely because of its, near rabid, ultra conservative pro-Republican bias, despite the fact that it has an extensive oversight apparatus. One of the UK's largest papers, the Daily Mail, is also not considered reliable as it is largely a tabloid known for delivering false stories to increase circulation, again despite having an extensive oversight apparatus.
Local news coverage, i.e. media that is only circulated within a small community, can be used sometimes as a reliable source to help establish notability, but an article that relies purely on such coverage would not be considered notable. Instead, editors reviewing an article that includes local news coverage generally expect that the foundation of the article relies on strong sourcing from the aforementioned major outlets.
This is just step 1 in the process of establishing notability. Now, even if you are able to have a reliable major publication mention you, the next phase of verifying notability is whether the source talks about the subject in depth. This means that the article solely talks about the subject, in this case you and your life's work. Merely being a single line mention in a reliable source is insufficient to establish notability. For example, a newspaper running an interview article that discusses your early life, how you got into swing dance, what you achieved, the halls of fame you been listed, the competitions you have won or perhaps missed out on, etc. would certainly be considered a good strong source in terms of general notability. However, an article that is reporting on the 2015 Hall of Fame where it is simply mentioned that Mr, Mrs or Ms So-and-so was listed but goes on to other entries would not be considered a strong source, unless of course it was providing sourcing for a statement about the fact that Mr, Mrs or Ms So-and-so had entered in the the Hall of Fame. However, in the wider context of Wikipedia's standard of notability, it would be of limited strength.
Please bear in mind that this does nothing to take away the notability you have within the swing dance community. But within the policies and guidelines developed by the general community on Wikipedia, an article about you just does not fit the bill. I hope that this may alleviate some of the distress your experience has brought you. With respect, Blackmane ( talk) 03:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Please don't bother me again about notability. If I am not notabile to you then you don't have a clue who I am. Please don't confront me with this notability issue again. LeonRaper 04:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I would really appreciate getting help listing me on the hall of fame page. I just sent an email this morning to Annie Hirsch, J-Jay,Jim Tigges and Mary Collins (Dean Collins wife) containing my Dance Biography and links of me and Colleen dancing. See below:
Regarding "shoot the messenger," I have been sent the same comment over 100 times by Wikipedia people. Enough is Enough.
I would really appreciate it if someone would finalize my web page. There is only one outstanding citation which I sent a solution in for yesterday.
Thanks again, LeonRaper 13:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry, we use to live in a world where human beings talked to other human beings. I can't remember numbers when I am dealing with over 30 Wikipedia people.
I wish someone would add the citations to my References that I sent to Wikipedia. I also wish someone would add the citation I sent yesterday to my Awards, 1015 Award.
I really appreciate your help. LeonRaper 14:25, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I understand you're frustrated Hubert Leon Raper at hearing the same thing over and over again, but believe me it's even more frustrating for editors to keep explaining the same thing over and over again to you. You being blocked from editing is basically Wikipedia telling you "Enough is Enough" because the perception is that you either refuse to listen to or are incapable of understanding what various editors have been trying to tell you. As explained to you previously, this is not "your web page" and continuing to refer to it as such only shows that the administrator who blocked you was correct in doing so. The administrator blocked you because he feels your only interest in Wikipedia is getting an article written about you and that you have no interest whatsoever in helping to improve overall quality of Wikipedia. In other words, the community seems to feel that you have nothing positive to contribute to Wikipedia. I say "community" because that is what Wikipedia basically is; it's volunteers from around the world working together to try and improve the overall quality of Wikipedia. The blocking administrator did not act arbitrarily; he was responding to concerns others posted about you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:LeonRaper and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:LeonRaper reported by User:Jbhunley (Result: Blocked indef for other reasons). The quality of our edits are all others have to go on when it comes to Wikipedia. Mistakes are expected and even encouraged because basically the encyclopedia is improved over time by correcting these mistakes. The community, however, also expects its editors to learn from their mistakes and not repeat them over and over again. The community is only willing to be so patient and it will request that administrators get involved if it feels these mistakes start becoming detrimental to Wikipedia.
So, if your goal is to be given a second chance and be unblocked, then continuing to insist that Wikipedia publish your article is not the right way to go about accomplishing that. None of the references you have provided so far are sufficient for a stand-alone article to be written about you. I've really tried hard to find stuff, but I have just had no luck. You need to accept that for what it is and move on, at least for the time being. You have much knowledge which could be helpful in improving so many other articles. The reason so many editors have been trying to help you is that they sincelrely feel you can contribute positively to Wikipedia. If you were just somebody only interested in playing games and vandalizing Wikipedia, you would've been dropped like a hot potato and blocked right at the start. So, if you just gave some indication that you were willing to do try and contribute to building the encyclopedia in other ways, then the blocking administrator might feel that a second chance is not going to be just a waste of time. You should also understand that if you continue to use this talk page to try and lash out at others, the blocking administrator may decide to block you from even editing it. So far, you haven't asked about what you need to do to get unblocked. Do you want to be able to edit Wikipedia again? Your primary concern at the moment, in my opinion, should be figuring out what you need to do to get back into good standing as editor. You should put your draft on the back burner for the time being and focus on what you need to do to get unblocked. On the other hand, if you really have no interest at all in getting unblocked and helping to build the encyclopedia, then just say so. That way everyone will as least know where you stand. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Why didn't anyone give this gentleman the advice to lurk moar? Wikipedia is not a place for someone to arrive out of the blue and make an article about themselves (unless they happen to be a big financial donor to Wikipedia of course [1]). He should have been told to look at hundreds of Wikipedia articles, preferably biographical articles, then to start making some edits to existing articles. Then after making a few thousand such edits, and in a few months from now, maybe he would be in a position to create an article and know how to word it correctly, and format it, and reference it - or have the understanding that such an article should not exist due to lack of notability. Notability means being noted in acceptable sources. If Mr Raper has that notability, the chance is that somebody sometime will make an article. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 02:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
If Mr. Raper has any interest in giving Wikipedia a try in the future (he may not at this point) I'd encourage him to switch his attention from an article about himself to articles such as "Swing Dance." That article could certainly be improved. And there's a section called "swing dancing today" which could use major expansion...you likely have knowledge and even documents/cites to be used in that article...and possibly things you've been involved with can be referenced there...so if make an unblock request, perhaps state your intention to work on these types of articles... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 11:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
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Joseph2302 (
talk)
12:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Please
stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may lose the ability to edit this page also. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. --
GB
fan
15:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jbhunley,
I am getting massive negativity from reviewers at Wikipedia. Could you please send this to Theroadislong, Marchjuly, GB fan, Randykitty, and wherever you can at Wikipedia so all the reviewers can see it. Others at Wikipedia have told me they haven’t seen this yet.
Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: AZ Daily Sun - Apr 16-1989.pdf AZ Daily Sun - June 6-1992.pdf French Book 2012.pdf Jitterbug Magazine 9-1992.pdf Journal Plus - Nov 1-2000.pdf Lumberjack Apr 8-1992.pdf Lumberjack March 4-1992.pdf Orange County Register - Oct 27-1974 - New.pdf Orange County Register 10-27-1974.pdf Swing Dance Journal - Oct 1992.pdf WSDHOF Award 2015.pdf Shortcut to: C:\Users\Leon\Documents\HLR - Wikipedia\WSDHOF Award 2015.pdf LeonRaper 17:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I believe most of the information contained in the sources is in the article and cited to single articles. (I did not add sources which were duplicative when I first went through them) I admit that once I saw Mr Raper would not even bother to meet us half way by simply properly signing and indenting his comments - after many explanations and requests - I lost interest in continuing to help him and backed off to let others manage this. Jbh Talk 22:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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23:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I have a feeling this is an erroneous message. Just ignore it for now.. 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 01:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC
LeonRaper 03:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a clue why you want more information from me. You send me a bunch of Jibberish requesting me to respond to something. I have sent you 10 pdf citations which gives you a great deal of information. Isn't it about time Wikipedia stops asking questions and starts working on my proposed Wikipedia page. After dealing with over 500 contacts with Wikipedia people, I need resolutions, and not questions.
LeonRaper 03:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 11:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Until yesterday no one at Wikipedia had seen my 10 pdf citations for my References which I emailed to one of your volunteers. Nobody really new who I am. However, over the past month I have experienced approximately 500 contacts back and forth with about 35 of your volunteers. Most of the comments I received were highly negative. And yes, I got angry. Keep in mind all this occurred before anyone really knew much about me. The emailing of my 10 pdf files will hopefully let them know a little more about me and the dance world. Now all your volunteers are so angry with me I can't get anything done. To let you know something about me please see my dance biography at http://www.dancecorner.com/hlr/biodanc.html . I am not recommending that biography for my Wikipedia page. Most of my proposed page was rewritten by Rhonda Robbins who I think had something to do with Wikipedia. I don't really know who she is. I am 80 years old and have spent over 50 years dancing. I have the largest dance sites on the internet. Please see my 2015 World Swing Dance Hall of Fame award presentation at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3cJ7wm7sTg I was one of the first web site creators on the internet. I got many domain names related to dance starting in 1995 with http://www.SwingDane.com My two most important web sites are http://www.DanceDictionary.com (2000) and http://www.WhosWhoInSwingDance.com (2007) ... I have provided free dance information to people all over the world. You can see my references at Draft:Leon Raper ... Only 5 of my pdf citations have been placed there to date. I wish Wikipedia would have connected me with volunteers who had experience in the dance world. Non dancers don't have a clue what I am talking about. I wish we could restart and deal strictly with volunteers from the dance world. Non dancers have no interest whatsoever in the dance world. I am very sorry for getting angry, but if you had over 500 contacts with volunteers consistently making negative comments to you. Then you would get angry too. Thank you very much for letting me tell my side of the story.
Decline reason:
Everything you say indicates that your only intention is to continue to use Wikipedia to publicise yourself, your work, and your opinions. Unfortunately, you seem to be either unable or unwilling to understand points which editors have patiently and painstakingly explained to you over and over again about how Wikipedia works and why your intentions are inconsistent with how it works. You are not going to be unblocked in order to let you do precisely the things which you have had explained over and over again are not in line with Wikipedia's requirements. I think it only fair to also inform you that you have wasted so much time of other editors that if you continue to post messages which totally ignore everything which has been explained to you, then it is likely that your talk page access will be removed to prevent further waste of editors' time. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 14:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
LeonRaper 11:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Friendly advice: take a couple week break from Wikipedia; just take a deep breath. Then read the policy pages on notability that have been provided to you (with a calm reading you'll learn that Wikipedia has a very particular way of defining "notability"..which means many people/things that are indeed notable otherwise don't qualify for an article within the realm of Wikipedia (but don't worry about it, who cares?)...then check out some articles you're interested in (like swing dancing) and see if there are things you can contribute to those articles...(it's even possible that things you've done and been involved with can be referenced/mentioned within those articles)...do not make another unblock request until you've taken my advice as it will just cause more problems/be a waste of time...and if you try to unblock again explain how you'll be interested in editing in the future (which will involve editing articles other than about yourself)... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 14:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Consider looking into places other than Wikipedia to post information about yourself and dancing (as Wikipedia just doesn't seem like a good place for this)..there must be other, better venues for this information to be posted...and you can likely still use those pdf sources at another venue so your time isn't wasted as far as creating those.... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 17:23, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi again Leon Raper. I still feel you have lots of knowledge about a variety of subjects, not just dance, that you could use to help improve Wikipedia. You experience as a proofreader/technical writer means you could really help as a Wikipedia:WikiGnome, a Wikipedia:WikiFairy or as a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. This may not sound too glamorous, but you look at lots of different articles (some of which are pretty interesting) and see lots of different styles of editing.
As for other places to post you dance info, I Googled "dancepedia" on a whim and found
www
Anyway, as stated early on by BMK, being indefintely blocked does not mean forever. 68.48.241.158's "friendly advice" is not just friendly; it's really good advice. The more you poke around Wikipedia and see how others edit and how they explain their edits, the better feel you get for the place. Then after a bit of time has passed, you can post another unblock request if you feel that you would try editing Wikipedia again. I think that administrators like JamesBWatson would like nothing more than to unblock you, but they will only do so if it's to Wikipedia's benefit. That last bit might sound a little harsh and negative, but it's not intended to be. Please try to understand that administrators also have rules to follow and more is actually expected of them by some because of the special privaledges they've been granted by the Wikipedia community. They have to make some tough (seemingly unfair) decisions sometimes, but they are expected to do what's best for the community as a whole, not just what's best for a single editor. Anyway, best of luck to you. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
About 37 volunteers said I was not notable before they even read my biography. That is very negative. I should not be blocked. I got angry receiving over 500 back & forth negative comments about me from your people. You would have gotten very angry. I apologized to them, but it didn't make any difference. LeonRaper 14:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 18:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I have asked for help many times. Your volunteers mostly just recommend me to your help pages. I'm sorry, but I can't figure this all out. I need real help. Marchjuly, Theroadislong, and some others use to try and help me, but I can't do anything any more because of being blocked. Anthony Bradbury, Administrator, just contacted me very nicely, but I still don't know what to do. I have had many years developing computer hardware and software with 5 patents. However, due to a minor brain stroke that I have mentioned to your people on many occasions, I still can't get help. I think my project would be simple to complete, with help. And then if Wikipedia doesn't like it, just delete it and I'll get on down the road.
Decline reason:
WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Your time would be better spent on pursuits other than trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:45, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
LeonRaper 18:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Take my word for it; you're not going to have a Wikipedia article about yourself..Wikipedia isn't designed in a manner that would allow it..but you should definitely complete your project/your write up about yourself and find places online (dance related sites) that would be glad to have it..you're also not going to be unblocked as things are going...honestly, just forget Wikipedia..it's not a big deal...you'll be much happier and less aggravated if you just "get on down the road" as you said..Respectfully, 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 18:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 10:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
[[User:Leon Raper|LeonRaper]] [[User talk:LeonRaper|talk]]
LeonRaper 10:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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from your signature in Preferences. They are tags which made what I suggested you change your signature to display properly on the talk page, you can see how I had to use two pairs of tags to make them display here too. Thank you for working to clean up your signature and have an enjoyable Memorial Day.
Jbh
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11:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)LeonRaper 13:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 13:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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There is a lot of information to absorb about Wikipedia it can be overwhelming and no one knows it all. The best ways to learn is to see how other editors do things and copy them or, as you are doing, ask. Cheers. Jbh Talk 14:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 14:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Your reply. ~~~~
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Yes, I use the ~~~~ code at the beginning and end of each of my messages
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Wikipedia is very complicated. I have written thousands of things in HTML. Before that I wrote everything in dBase. Before that it was Fortran.
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::::Wikipedia is very complicated. I have written thousands of things in HTML. Before that I wrote everything in dBase. Before that it was Fortran.
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LeonRaper 15:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help.
LeonRaper 15:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Great information. I'll definitely use it. I wish they would remove the block from my Draft:LeonRaper page. I need to be able to edit the page using some of the new stuff I have learned.
--LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi LeonRaper. Nobody has blocked/protected the draft from editing. Any editor in good standing can still edit it. What has happened, however, is that your account has been blocked from editing any Wikipedia page other than this talk page. (Sorry if the bold was a bit dramatic, but I wanted to make that point clear) Unfortunately, you are unlikely to be unblocked by an administrator as long as you keep posting stuff such as I wish they would remove the block from my Draft:LeonRaper page. I need to be able to edit the page using some of the new stuff I have learned
which indicates that you intend to keep trying write about yourself if you are unblocked. You've made two unblock requests and each has been declined because the concerned administrator remains convinced is that your only interest in Wikipedia is using it to let others know about you and your endeavors.
Ohnoitsjamie, the administrator who declined your last unblock request, wrote Your time would be better spent on pursuits other than trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself
, so you need to convince administrators that you are no longer interested in using Wikipedia to try and promote yourself. I know you don't see it at that way, but you need to be concerned with how administrators and other editors see it. It would probably not be an exaggeration to say that hundreds of accounts are indefinitely blocked by administrators daily for the same reason and that administrators will continue to block such accounts in the future as long as the Wikipedia community feels that doing so is to its benefit. So, you need to give administrators a reason to give you
another chance by showing them that you understand why you were blocked and stating that you will not repeat the mistakes that got your account blocked in the first place. What they are telling you is to leave the draft alone and (as you say) "get on down the road". You may not agree with this and it may not seem fair, but the only way I see an administrator agreeing to unblock you is if you unequivocally agree to stop from working on your draft and to stop trying to adding content about yourself to other Wikipedia articles. As I've said before, there are plenty of ways for editors to positively contribute to Wikipedia that have nothing to do with creating/editing content about themselves of people/things they are connected to. Try and figure out some other ways you can positively contribute to Wikipedia because that's what the administrators want to hear from you. --
Marchjuly (
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01:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 01:44, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 01:44, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 02:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC) Hi Marchjuly, I am sorry I am not going to do any more. If you want the over 500 messages sent back and forth then give me a real email address to send them to. I'm done. Thank you for all your help. --LeonRaper 02:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 10:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 10:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 16:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 16:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry you have to do that. That eliminates any conversations I can have with Wikipedia. I was just trying to help Skippy who I have known for over 50 years. I know you are working on her Wikipedia page.
--LeonRaper 17:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 00:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 00:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 15:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 15:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 22:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 20:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)--LeonRaper 20:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 20:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
You have done many good things but like many tens of thousands of people who have done good things you have not been recognized by the media in the ways required by Wikipedia policies to merit an article. I have looked for coverage on you - hell my family, who are not Wikepedians but thought you had done some good stuff looked for good coverage (one even thinks they recognized you from movies - neat but meaningless from a WP:N point of view) - none was found. I am sorry to say there is nothing more to do or say on the subject. Barring new significant coverage consensus among the many editors here is that you simply do not qualify for a Wikipedia article. You must now accept that, it may not be fair, but it is the way things are.
I have enjoyed learning more about swing dance and I have seen some great dancing researching this and I thank you for giving me a reason to look into that world. It is, however, time for you to move on to other endeavors and I wish you success and happiness in those things. Jbh Talk 20:54, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Raper has published many items on the internet.
SwingDance.com DanceDictionary.com WhosWhoInSwingDance.com WorldDanceInfo.com MastersOfSwingDance.com (Videos) DanceCorner.com NightclubSwing.com BalboaDanceCorner.com BallroomDanceCorner.com CharlestonDanceCorner.com LindyHopDanceCorner.com ShagDanceCorner.com
World Swing Dance Council (WSDC) Los Angeles Swing Dance Club (LASDC) - Charter Member Greater Phoenix Swing Dance Club (GPSDC) California Swing Dance Club (CSDC) Competition Swing Dancers Association National Teachers Association (NTA) United Country Western Dance Council (UCWDC) Country Western Line Dance Association (CWLDA) Golden State Dance Association (GSDA) Screen Actors Guild (SAG) American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) Writers Guild of America (WGA) American Federation of Musicians Local 47 (AFM) American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) Writers Guild of America (WGA) American Federation of Musicians Local 47 (AFM) American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
Getting Started - 1960's Early in 1967 I saw an advertisement from a dance studio in Anaheim California. They had an introductory offer of five lessons for $25 and the dance instructor was beautiful. Like so many newcomers to dance, I was convinced I could learn all there was to know about social dance in the five lessons. After about the third lesson, I was beginning to realized that learning dance was a little more challenging than I thought. When they tried to get me to sign a $2,000 contract for dance lessons I quit the studio, but I didn't quit dance. I was hooked. I then joined a ballroom dance class at Dale's Dance Studio in Whittier California. It was there I spent two nights per week, 2 hours per night, for over 1-1/2 years learning most of the ballroom dances which included West Coast Swing. I also went out dancing many nights per week trying to perfect my skills as a dancer. My arts background, being a musician for many years, gave me the desire to become a good dancer. However, my engineering and computers background made me want to really understand the mechanics of movement and be able to write dance. During this time period I was also going ballroom dancing at the Golden West Ballroom in Downey, CA. That is where I was lucky enough to meet Skippy Blair. I started attending her lessons and workshops and found that her Universal Units System was exactly what I had been looking for. Working with Skippy and learning her Universal Units System provided me with excellent techniques for writing dance and helped me develop a real understanding of the mechanics movement. From this I became a real dance techno-junkie allowing me to rapidly expand my knowledge and abilities with advanced forms of dance. I also studied with many other highly recognized dancers in the business including Dean Collins, Jack & Teddy Pina, Willie Desatoff, Kenny Wetzel and many others. In addition I attended many dance workshops with top instructors. In 1968, one evening after the dance class was over at Dale's Dance Studio, Dale took the dance class to see a swing dance contest at Stan's Night Club in Downey California. It was the most exciting thing I ever saw. The World Swing Dance Champions (Pat & Darleene) happened to be dancing that night along with some of the best swing dancers in California. While the World Champs were dancing, Pat put Darleene into a triple shoulder spin like a propeller spinning three times around his shoulder. I was so impressed by everyone's dancing that I decided that is what I wanted to do with my life. So, I began entering contests and spent several years and danced over 400 contests against the same people. It took me two years of hard work to develop that triple shoulder spin, but I finally perfected it - including a great deal of other competition dancing material. In 1968 I joined the California Swing Dance Club that met at Stan's Night Club in Downey, CA. In 1969 I became a founding charter member (#17) of the Los Angeles Swing Dance Club. I also became very active in the development of the club's bylaws. I am still a charter member of the LASDC today.
1970's - 1980's May 1971, I started writing and publishing the "Jitterbug Newsletter" with the intent that it would be a central point of communications for the swing dance community throughout the U.S. It was printed and mailed free to anyone in the U.S. that wanted it -- at my own expense. The mailing list was to over 500 swing dancers. The final issue was published in May of 1975. July 7, 1973 my partner and I danced in the World Championship Swing Dance Contest at the Palladium in Hollywood, CA. We didn't win, but it was great dancing to Les Brown's Band in front of over 2,000 people. January 1974, I wrote the book "Professional Competition Dancing." At that time, as far as I know, it was the only book ever written on judging and scoring techniques for competition dancing. Mid 1974, I founded the "Jitterbug Club of America" which held its dances in the Off Broadway West at the Grand Hotel in Anaheim, CA and later at Alias Smith & Jones in Santa Ana, CA. My out of pocket cost was over $5,000 to keep the club going. 1974-1985, I just went dancing for the enjoyment of it and honed my dance techno-junkie skills by studying advanced forms of dance and teaching private lessons. I was also a judge for many dance competitions. 1985, I moved to Flagstaff Arizona and started teaching dance classes -- sometimes three classes per week and mostly west coast swing. Since then I have also taught classes Sedona, Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Beaver Creek and Phoenix Arizona for the Greater Phoenix Swing Dance Club.
1990's Early 1993 was the start of my Internet listing of all the swing dance clubs throughout the world. I still update the site on a regular basis. The web site also now contains links to a great deal of other dance information. This was in the early days of the Internet, with primitive browsers and editors. All the code had to be written in HTML by hand. October 1993, I founded the Flagstaff Swing Dance Club, Inc. in Flagstaff, AZ and served as president and dance instructor until October 1995 after which I turned it over to a new board of directors. The club still meets on a weekly basis. Early 1994, I founded the Swing Dance Research and Historical Association (SDRHA). The association goal is to gather information pertaining to the history of Swing Dance. The results of the association research are published on the Internet. 1995, I published my book Who's Who in Swing Dance on the Internet. The book gives long overdue recognition to those who have contributed the most to the art, science and betterment of Swing Dance. The book covers the period from the late 1920s (when the Charleston was making its transition to the Lindy Hop) to the present. Today there are several web sites containing this type of information, but mine was first on the Internet. 1998, I published my book Raper's Dance Dictionary on the Internet. The book includes the definition of many terms used for social dancing. It also indicates if there are different interpretations for some terms and what each interpretation is. It goes much further than a normal dictionary. It is really an encyclopedia of social dance.
2000 to Current January 2000, I founded the Verde Valley Swing Dance Club in Camp Verde, AZ. However, there wasn't enough support so the club folded. Early 2005 I started taking lessons in International Standard and American Smooth Ballroom Dancing. Early 2007 I studied International Standard with John Berry -- one of the most knowledgeable dance coaches that I have ever met. I also studied for many years with the great National dance instructor Jenell Maranto. September 2008 California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Golden Star Nomination. September 2010 California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Golden Star Award. September 2015 World Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Special Recognition Award
--LeonRaper 22:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 00:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 15:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 15:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 20:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 20:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 20:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 20:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 23:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 00:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 00:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
I wish you would make a correction to the term RAPER in all its references in Wikipedia. The name RAPER comes from England. One definition is "Makers of Rope." Please see the following definition:
--LeonRaper 17:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 20:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Would someone please send this message to BethNaught. I can't do it any other way because they have my Draft:Leon Raper page blocked and they won't let me edit or talk to anyone except through this page:
Would someone at Wikipedia please help me?
--LeonRaper 20:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Leon Raper, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for
deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Leon Raper and please be sure to
sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of
Draft:Leon Raper during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
Jbh
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22:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 21:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
little kidsisn't going to improve your chances of anyone trying to help you again -- samtar talk or stalk 21:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 22:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 22:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 00:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 00:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
This is really getting out of hand, editor clearly does not understand Wikipedia and what we do here. Despite all the help, this editor seems content on bad mouthing other editors when he doesn't get his way. He is misunderstanding policy, leading to rants like the one directly above. Editors are allowed to put some content on their user page, so Samtar does not deserve to be attacked for pointing out the obvious fact that talk page access should be revoked, and it should be noted that Samtar is a volunteer, just like everyone else here, so the "move up the ladder" argument is getting old. There is a very good reason why editors are not commenting on what you wrote on your website, it's because Wikipedia talk pages are for discussing Wikipedia, not for discussing what an editor posts on other sites. You say we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Other editors spent weeks trying to help you, even when it became obvious nothing would work, editors continued to try to help. There is no editor who should be ashamed of anything they did here. 47.54.149.147 ( talk) 01:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 14:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Anyway I have no further need nor desire to further engage with you. I am truely sorry you feel slighted but you can either a) get over it b) continue to complain pointlessly here c) become insulting and abusive and loose access to thei page and any chance of presenting new material written by third parties d) go out and find a major metropolitan or regional newspaper Arts/Style reporter who wants to write about you and get something published.
You have done some cool stuff within your community. Be satisfied with that. Go dance or contribute further to your community. Continuing on the path you have set out on here will lead to nothing but bitterness and disappointment for you - I can see it in your recent posts. Now, as I said earlier, I am done here unless and until you become more abusive in your posts. Please have an enjoyable weekend. Jbh Talk 15:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
I request that my Draft:Leon Raper page be completely removed from Wikipedia. None of your reviewers will ever approve the page for publication in Wikipedia. No more games!!!
--LeonRaper 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 23:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted your draft as you requested. Can you please now refrain from using this talk page except for formulating proper unblock requests (should you wish to be unblocked)? -- NeilN talk to me 23:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
You have used up all of my good will. Your article has been deleted - at your request. Drop it.
@ NeilN: This guy is just not getting it, he as moved from complaining on his talk page to complaining via email-this-user. Jbh Talk 12:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Reblocked with email and talk page access removed as there are probably others getting the same complaints. LeonRaper, you can use WP:UTRS if you wish to submit a block appeal. -- NeilN talk to me 12:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
UTRS appeal #15969 was submitted on Jun 15, 2016 13:31:13. This review is now closed.
-- UTRSBot ( talk) 13:31, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
UTRS appeal #16028 was submitted on Jun 23, 2016 21:53:35. This review is now closed.
--LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)== Welcome! ==
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Please put me in contact with someone who can help me create a Wikipedia page. I have tried many times to do it myself, but get nowhere.
My current Wikipedia web page layout is at: /info/en/?search=User:LeonRaper/About_you
I need suggestions how to bring the web page up to full Wikipedia compliance.
Thanks,
Hubert Leon Raper
A tag has been placed on your user page, User:LeonRaper/About you, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages; user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. DES (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself. Creating an
autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on
writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for
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Theroadislong (
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16:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I am responding here, because the nature of your question is not really confidential. In fact, I see from the notices on this talk page that your question has already been answered at the Teahouse. In order for an article to be acceptable here, it needs to be notable (in the WP sense, this has nothing to do with good/bad/meritorious/etc), which should be verifiable by references to independent reliable sources. Your draft missed all that: there was not a single reference. In addition, it was completely unencyclopedic, being more of an autobiographic essay (headings such as "Dancing Became My Life" or "Dance - Enjoy the Journey" are not encyclopedic at all). I have put an extended "welcome" template at the top of this page. Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines and policies listed, that will make your life here much easier. Creating articles is one of the hardest things to do on WP and it becomes exponentially harder if the article in question is an autobiography, because only very, very few people are able to write about themselves in a neutral and encyclopedic manner. Hope this helps. -- Randykitty ( talk) 14:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
I have been waiting for quite some time trying to get Wikipedia to accept my new Wikipedia page submission at: /info/en/?search=User:LeonRaper/About_you
I have been in contact with David E. Siegel and several others, but still no final response. If there is any approval problem then please have one of your people who do work on dancing articles contact me. I think someone is trying to keep me from being accepted and I'll tell you who it is if you ask.
A tag has been placed on User:LeonRaper/About you requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free Web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Joseph2302 ( talk) 09:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia has rules about what type of external links can be used and where they go. These are in
the guidelines for external links. In general external links are not acceptable on your user page. It is OK to put some information about yourself on your user page but it is not the place for promotion or resume like information. Please see
Wikipedia:User pages,
WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and
WP:FAKEARTICLE for our rules. If I can be of more help please feel free to contact me on my talk page or {{
ping}} me by placing {{ping|Jbhunley}}
on any talk page and signing the edit with ~~~~
.
Jbh
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14:14, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Leon Raper. I just want to let you know that I have added Template:Draft article to Draft:Leon Raper. I did this just to make it a bit clearer that your draft is a "work in progress" and not yet an article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that can be edited pretty much by anyone anywhere in the world at anytime with the only real requirement being access to the Internet. Articles are improved gradually over time through collaboration and we as editors do not own the articles we create or edit. Edits on judged according to their compliance with Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines, Wikipedia's manual of style and whether a consensus has been established. We as editors also do not own our drafts, but we are given a little more freedom when it comes to editing/improving them since they are not yet in the article namespace. Most experienced editors refrain from directly editing them unless we specifically request that they do so or there is a seriously policy violation (such as a copyright violation or a violation of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons, etc.) which requires immediate attention.
My suggestion to you is to continue to work on your draft until you feel it is ready for article status and then submit it via Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AfC). This will give experienced AfC reviewers that chance to assess the draft and suggest ways of improving it as needed. The AfC process is not designed to create perfect articles since no Wikipedia article is ever perfect; it is designed to check whether the subject matter meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines and thus warrants inclusion in the encyclopedia. Please try and understand that there are over 5,000,0000 articles currently on Wikipedia and unfortunately many of these should never have been added in the first place. Many of these end up being quickly deleted, but others may fly under the radar for years before being noticed. AfC is no guarantee that anything you submit will be added or retained, but does perhaps improve the odds a little bit. Do not get discouraged if your draft is rejected, but instead try to make the improvements suggested by the AfC reviewers or ask for assistance at places like the Teahouse or Wikipedia:Requested articles.
Finally, as has been pointed out to you by others, writing autobiographies is something not really encouraged by Wikipedia. It's not expressly prohibited, but it's something really discouraged because of the obvious conflict of interest (COI). Therefore, I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide just to familiarize yourself with is expected of COI editors. Lots of people seem to think that having an article written about them on Wikipedia is only a good thing, but there can be a downside to it as well per Wikipedia's law of unintended consequences. Remember anything added to the article namespace is free game for anyone to edit and that the subjects of articles or their creators are not given any final editorial control over what is added/removed. This means that articles, etc. often end up as something completely different from what their creator originally intended or include information that the subject of the article might not want known. Good luck with your draft. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Leon Raper, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
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Dear Theroadislong, Why did you add the following link to References, ^ California Swing Dance Hall of Fame: California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, accessdate: May 6, 2016? I was told by others at Wikipedia to not include any links to outside sources. So, I removed all the links from everything that I original page submission. I am removing that link. Hubert Leon Raper 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how to tell you how to get an article about you published if you are not willing to read the pages given and learn. Unless you learn how to make the page acceptable, you will need to wait until a volunteer takes the time to fix the draft. Also do not put your phone number inn pages in Wikipedia anymore. No one is going to call you. -- GB fan 11:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for pursuing trying to get my article published. None of the people at Wikipedia will understand my problems until you all reach the age of 80 - which I guess will not be in my lifetime. I think you are all wonderful people, but just telling people to read a Wikipedia page doesn't solve my problem. I really appreciate your help. Thanks Hubert Leon Raper 12:24, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I have documentation on every thing I put in my references, except for the "Queen Of The Stardust Ballroom" movie. However, I can even provide references to other people who were also in that movie. I have boxes full of documentation on everything else going back to the 1960's, including copies & pictures of everything. What else do you want? Hubert Leon Raper 13:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry Theroadislong, You obviously didn't look at each of my references. They all are from published media, and I have copies of all that documentation. Hubert Leon Raper 14:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Theroadislong, I was told in several prior contact with others at Wikipedia that I was not to include any external links. I already had them in my page, but I then took them out. Now, regarding proof of my Reference documents, all entries here include the name of the document publisher, such as: Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, "Orange County Register, October 27, 1974" (Article & Pictures). What now Coach? Hubert Leon Raper 14:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I am so sorry if I respond incorrectly, I don't mean too. It is difficult dealing with so many different people at Wikipedia, some with different opinions than others. I am trying my best to complete this project. Leon Raper
Hi Theroadislong & Joseph2302. I am leaving your updates on my web page. Thanks for all your help, Hubert Leon Raper 15:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, LeonRaper! I'm
Marchjuly. I have replied to your question about
Draft:Leon Raper at the
WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk.
Marchjuly (
talk)
22:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Marchjuly,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hello! LeonRaper,
I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the
Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the
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A tag has been placed on Leon Raper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Wgolf ( talk) 03:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at
Leon Raper. Creating an
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03:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Please tell me what makes you think anything on my page is autobiographical. You are wrong. Nothing on my page says who wrote it. Nothing on my page is autobiographical. Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 03:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Wgolf,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I have tired to help you create an article with the correct reliable third party sources at Draft:Leon Raper you have now removed the only correct references in the article (to the awards) the article stands no chance of being published in it's present state and if you continue deleting the only good content I can't help you further. Theroadislong ( talk) 07:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
You are driving everyone who might have wanted to help you away. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, when someone such as yourself says that don't understand how to do something others help. When that help is then rejected, people don't want to help. You say you don't understand how to do it yourself but it doesn't look like you want anyone else to fix the draft article either. Good luck trying to find people to help you. -- GB fan 10:46, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi GB,
I have been contacted by 27 different people at Wikipedia telling me what to do. And, either I obey every issue or I will be removed from Wikipedia. I would like to refer you to a few issues.
Autobiography: Many have told me my page is an autobiography. I have asked many times for all of them to tell me one word in my page that indicates it is an autobiography. None will tell me. What I have been told is that I must get someone else to write it for me. Wikipedia says I can't pay someone to do that. In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.
Notability: Many have said references do not adequately show the subject's notability. There was much notability presented in my original submission to Wikipedia. However, the volunteers stayed on my back until I removed most of it. In fact I just added another notability issue and was chastised by someone from Wikipedia for doing so.
Citations: There were two citations entered into References by someone from Wikipedia. I removed the first citation because it was a marketing tool for another web site. When linked to the site the first thing you see is an advertisement selling a product. Then it switched me to someone's Facebook page. Then after some time it finally sent me to the World Swing Dance Hall of Fame video of me being presented an award. I removed the second citation because it was a non understandable entry. I couldn't get Wikipedia personnel to listen to me on these two issues.
References: I have documentation on all my references, but others at Wikipedia keep telling me I need Citations. I don't know where you would find citations that refer to a bunch of old documents in boxes in my garage. I'm sure there are many other pages in Wikipedia in which there are not enough citations.
Wikipedia Negativity: Very early on I started receiving negative responses from Wikipedia. Most got angry with me if I disagreed with them. Very early on I was tagged the "Bad Guy." It seems as though everybody wanted to fight with me. I could not talk verbally to anyone. Mostly I was referred to Wikipedia pages. How would you respond if you couldn't verbally communicate with others on important issues?
I wish I could have done better trying to work with Wikipedia. My information would have been a valuable source of information for the swing dance community.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 14:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
As to hiring someone to write your biography, it is not forbidden but the person you hire must disclose that they have been hired by you to write your article. This is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use and more on those rules can be found in WP:PAID. I know all of this can be confusing and frustrating but many hundreds of people per week try to make an article about themself or someone they have been paid, and not disclosed they are paid, to create. So we have these rules to keep Wikipedia from being flooded and to insure minimum standards in our content. Please read the items I have linked in blue and feel free to ask me about anything you find unclear. Jbh Talk 17:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Billions of people throughout the world wouldn't have a clue who wrote my article. Only Wikipedia people know who wrote it. Why do Wikipedia people keep pursuing this Autobiography issue? I ask many Wikipedia people to show me one word on my page that indicates I wrote it. Not one of you responded. Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 18:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
We have been going round and round for over a month dealing with many different issues. We all have to stop this and deal with one issue at a time. The first issue I want to deal with is Autobiography. If this can't be solved then we might as well shut down my Wikipedia page. But first consider the following.
Yes, Wikipedia people know I wrote my page. However, I also asked all of them to tell me about any word on my page that indicates I wrote it. None of the reviewers came back with an answer.
If Wikipedia publishes my page there will be billions of people throughout the world who don't have a clue who wrote the page.
Please, all reviewers get on board so we can calm this down and deal with one issue at a time.
I would really appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 21:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I am really sorry. I completely forgot that information about myself on my page was rewritten by Rhonda Robbins. I have mentioned her name quite a few times in my contacts with Wikipedia. I have never met her, but for some reason she contacted me back on April 26, 2016. She took my original information, rewrote it and sent it to me. Ronda's direct contact information is mylifeisgood48@yahoo.com Below is her final result in my References section. I already edited this information into my page.
References (Prepared by Others)
World Swing Dance Hall of Fame, 2015 (Special Recognition Award)US OPEN 2015 Hall of Fame Leon Raper 6 6MB California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, 2010 (Golden Stars Award) ... California Swing Dance Hall of Fame Le chant des Eve, La danse des Adam, by Stephanie Del Regno, 2012 ISBN 978-2-36696-002-0 ... West Coast Swing (Page 294 Article & Picture) Dance Corner, Visitors Feedback (1998-2002) ... http://www.dancecorner.com/feedback/index.html Queen of the Stardust Ballroom Movie (February 1975) ... Mr. Raper was a dancer in the movie ... /info/en/?search=Queen_of_the_Stardust_Ballroom Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, Orange County Register, October 27, 1974 (Article & Pictures) Dance Terminology Notebook, by Skippy Blair, 1995 ISBN 0-932-980-11-2 ... Mr. Raper was a Proof Reader of this book - Dancer - Teacher Disco To Tango and Back, by Skippy Blair, 1978 ISBN 0-932-980-01-05 ... Jitterbug Club of America (Note Pg 189)
Resident Has Links to the Stars, Camp Verde Journal, October 2, 2002 ... (Article & Picture) Two Left Feet No Obstacle to Dancing the Night Away - With Proper Teaching, Verde Valley News, Arts & Entertainment Section, January 19, 2001 ... (Article & Picture) Cutting a Rug Ballroom Style, Camp Verde Journal, by Rachel Flegenheimer, November 1, 2000 ... (Article & Pictures) Let's Go Do the Hop, Verde Valley News, by Pamela Williams & Paula Blankenship, November 1998 ...(Article & Pictures) Swingin It, Lumberjack News, September 1998 ... (Article & picture) Lindy Hop Class, Camp Verde Journal, July 1998 ... (Article & Many Pictures) US Swing Dance Council, Swing Dance Journal, October 1992 (Article & Picture) Thousands of Spins Later, He's Still Swinging, Arizona Daily Sun, June 8, 1992 ... (Article & Picture) Thousands of Spins Later, He's Still Swinging,Arizona Daily Sun, June 6, 1992, (Article & Picture) Champion dancer two-steps way from Hollywood to NAU, Lumberjack News, April 8, 1992 ...DELETE THIS IS A DUPLICATE Champion Dancer Two-Steps His Way from Hollywood to NAU, Lumberjack News, April 8, 1992 ... (Article & Picture) Swing Around The Circuit, Jitterbug Magazine, September 1992 (Pg 23) ... (Article & Picture) Dance Instructor H. Leon Raper, Swing Dance Journal, October 1992 (Pg 5) ... (Article & Picture) YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE: Arizona Daily Sun, April 16, 1989 ... (Words & Picture) YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE: (Mr Raper is mentioned, related to dance, in many web sites & writings by others)
I just sent Rhonda an email to see if she would rewrite my entire Wikipedia page. If she says yes then I will accept what she writes.
As I said I mentioned her name in several contact with Wikipedia people. I hope she will help me. When I said I don't know her personally. I really meant it. You can contact her directly to verify that.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 02:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed that you have not been indenting your discussions. Please take a bit of time to read
User:Jbhunley/How to edit talk pages for a quick guide on how to indent so others have an easier time following a conversation. I have taken the liberty of properly indenting this section as an example. Also please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~
at the end of your post. Cheers.
Jbh
Talk
03:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 03:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) Hi Jbhunley,
Sorry, I'm new at creating Wikipedia contact responses and web pages. I thought I entered ~~~~
in just the 4 whatever symbols. I'm new so I need constant info.
Hubert Leon Raper
Hubert Leon Raper 03:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm sorry I just noticed your request to have me list below which of the above source contain two or more paragraphs specifically about you and your accomplishments. The following would be major information:
Bug-Bitten Boogies Bounce To Jammin; Slammin' Beat, Orange County Register, October 27, 1974 (Article & Pictures)
Queen of the Stardust Ballroom Movie (February 1975) ... Mr. Raper was a dancer in the movie ... /info/en/?search=Queen_of_the_Stardust_Ballroom
Le chant des Eve, La danse des Adam, by Stephanie Del Regno, 2012 ISBN 978-2-36696-002-0 ... West Coast Swing (Page 294 Article & Picture)
Sorry, I didn't figure this out for you. I also didn't understand what you meant by indenting.
There are some YouTube videos that I will look into regarding Wikipedia editing.
Hubert Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 04:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC) Hubert Leon Raper 04:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Hubert Leon Raper. I noticed your question about indentation. There are examples of what indentation is Wikipedia:Indentation, so if you go to that page you should find the information you need. You can also find an explanation on how to properly indent your posts at Help:Using talk pages#Indentation. I understand you sometimes find Wikipedia pages confusing, but I cannot really summarize things any better that what is done on those pages. Please look at the examples (it shouldn't take long) and then try practicing a bit in your user sandbox. Your user sandbox is like your own personal Wikipedia Etch A Sketch where you can practice editing and formatting and make as many mistakes as you like. You can access it by clicking the "Sandbox" link at the very top top right of this page between "Talk" and "Preferences". If after doing this you still are not sure how to indent your posts, then I will try a different approach. Good luck. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Hubert Leon Raper. So far, the focus of the draft you are writing seems to be entirely based upon your accomplishments in the field of dance. You have, however, mentioned the following in previous talk page posts:
In addition to writing massive web sites related to dance, I have written hundreds of pages from my 21 years of work in engineering. No one in engineering questioned my writing abilities. I wrote instructions for computer manufacturers, U.S. Patent office, and many others.(see here); and
Guess what, my real business is Vegas88.com. For over 40 years I have been booking TV and film stars all over the U.S. and Canada into personal appearance events. I have been using Wikipedia for many years to find out how to contact these people. Wikipedia lists their personal web site. links to imdb.com, and sometimes many other contact links. I was also a Talent Agent in Beverly Hills for 10 years. Dance is not my business. I do it for enjoyment and to help other dancers find dance information.(see here).
For some reason, you have not included any of the above information in your draft. Wikipedia biographies are intended to be about an individual in his or her entirety and often include information from their early years through their professional and post professional careers, sometimes even including information about their personal lives. Is there some reason you have decided not to include this information in the draft? The reason I'm asking is that it may help establish your Wikipedia notability if you can show you have received significant coverage in reliable sources for your accomplishments in your other endeavors besides dance. It seems that dance is only one part of who your are, and all you really need to establish is that you have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources for any of your career/personal accomplishments. You might actually be doing yourself a disservice by focusing solely on your career in swing dancing if you've received significant coverage in reliable sources for the other things you have accomplished. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I have 2 .pdf files containing Articles and Pictures (1) Orange County Register, Oct 1974 and (2) Jitterbug Magazine, Sept 1992. Just let me know how to get them to you.
Leon Raper Hubert Leon Raper 15:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonRaper ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC+9)
Hubert Leon Raper 12:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 12:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I followed a thread from another talk page, and have seen that you need help. Specifically, you need someone to write a (your) biography. So, here's the thing- Wikipedia is one of the world's largest websites, and it pretty complex!! Now, writing an article is like writing a "term paper", like we did in junior high/high school. We have to show our sources and use footnotes (citations, in Wikipedia terms). I am willing to write a biography for Leon Raper, but in order to do so, I need to gather my sources and read about him. This is where "notability" comes in...I have to be able to find the information, because I have never heard of him, and don't know anything about him. Does this make sense? I need to look a few things, and will get back to you. Tribe of Tiger ( talk) 22:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Various things have been posted on various user talk pages about Draft:Leon Raper, so maybe it's time to try and centralize and further discussions about the draft and how to improve it at Draft talk:Leon Raper. Keeping everything in one place will make it easier for everyone to follow what is going on and also make it easier for others to comment as well. Is this acceptable to everyone who has been trying to help so far? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Hubert Leon Raper. I got your email and I appreciate the kinds words. Please understand, however, that I prefer to conduct all discussion related to Wikipedia via Wikipedia as much as possible unless there are specific personal privacy related matters which need to be address. So, I will not be replying to you via email. Again, while I appreciate the kind words, there was nothing you wrote in the email that you couldn't have simply posted on my user talk page. I tried to explain to you very early on that all editors are volunteers who value their privacy and that Wikipedia matters are usually best discussed on Wikipedia.
If an editor wants others to know his or her email address, then he or she will make that information available on their user page. If another editor wants to exchange off-wiki emails with another editor then he or she will either contact the other editor via email or ask that the other editor contact him or her via email. If you are having specific Wikipedia problems that you do not feel comfortable discussing on public talk pages, then you can email the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team ("OTRS") using one of the email addresses listed in Wikipedia:Contact OTRS and ask for assistance. You can also get assistance from experienced editors using Wikipedia's online chat room Wikipedia:IRC by following the instructions in Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial. I have never used the IRC service myself, but I believe it does allow you to receive real time assistance and that there are always experienced editors who can try and answer your questions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Please do not send me any more emails. If you want to discuss the draft, then please do so at Draft:Leon Raper so that other editors can participate in the discussion. That is the whole point of trying to keep everything centralized and working colaboratively with others. I tried to be polite in my above post, but I am not interested at all in discussing the draft with you privately via email. I hope you can understand and respect this because I have no intention of replying to you via email. If you would still like my help, then let's try and keep everything on Wikipedia where it belongs, OK? Otherwise, I wish you good luck with the draft and am going to move on to other things.
I've posted this before, but you seem only concerned about what Wikipedia and what others can do for you to get this draft moved into the article mainspace. You need to realize, however, that there is only so much that those of us working on it can do if you have not received the significant coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require for a stand-alone article. I may understand how Wikipedia works better than you do, but I have no special say in deciding which drafts are approved. Wikipedia is a community of volunteers where everyone works together doing a little bit here and a little bit there in an attempt to try and gradually improve the overall quality of the encyclopedia. Sometimes this means declining drafts or deleting articles which are not up to Wikipedia's standards. This may not seem fair, but Wikipedia's policies and guidelines have been established over many years through a consensus of this community, which means that sometimes things don't always go as we may like. I am sorry if you feel this post is negative, but you need to try and understand that we are not here to write your article for you because there is really no "your article" when it comes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles are not written for people or things simply because those people or things happen to want (for whatever reason) a Wikipedia article; Wikipedia articles are written about people or things because those people or things have received the significant coverage in independent reliable sources that is required. This is a very important thing about Wikipedia and there's really very little room to maneuver when it comes to that. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
The following appears in my Internet section of my Draft section:
Raper was one of the first web site developers on the internet related to swing dancing.[citation needed]
I obtained two domain names that any swing dancer who was first on the internet would have obtained. They were SwingDance.com and LindyHop.com. This should be a good enough citation.
Hubert Leon Raper 14:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 16:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Hubert Leon Raper 16:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I have just cleaned up the Internet section on my page. There is no longer a need for a citation.
LeonRaper 23:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I sent about 10 .pdf files from which their information needs to be linked to the respective documents listed under References on my page. Also, a few items on that page bring up blank pages instead of the .pdf reference I supplied. I wish I knew how to do this and I would do it myself. However I don't know I am mentally competent to do that.
Hubert Leon Raper 17:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- stop emailing me. I don't respond to emails unless there's a reason it can't be discussed on here. Also, I'm not even involved with editing the draft anymore, I got fed up of wasting time on it ages ago.
This is your final warning- I am hereby banning you from emailing me and from editing my talkpage. If you do either of these things, I will seek the help of administrators to take action against your harassment. Joseph2302 ( talk) 23:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC) Hubert Leon Raper 00:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I am very sorry. I didn't know I was emailing you. Wikipedia is much too complicated for me to know how to do anything. I won't bother you any more.
Hubert Leon Raper 00:28, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Jbhunley gave me his real email address and I emailed the 10 .pdf files to him as attachments to the email. I would be happy to send them to anyone else, but I need a real email address so I can attach the files.
I'm not sure a .pdf file is the correct format for the Wikipedia system. That would probably require Adobe Acrobat to open the files. There must be another file format you need. As I mentioned two of the .pdf files already on my References page open to blank screens.
Thanks for your help, Hubert Leon Raper 15:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Try:
http://www.swingdance.com/Jitterbug Magazine 9-1992.pdf ... This will not work because there is a symbol placed between Jitterbuf and magazine when I save this page Hubert Leon Raper 17:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't know why it is working for you.
Line 1: It does not work on my web page. Try it at /info/en/?search=Draft:Leon_Raper
Line 4 There is also another link that that does not work. try it at: http://swingdance.com/Orange%20County%20Register%2010-27-1974.pdf
If these Reference lines work on your machine then "Houston We Have A Problem" that has to be solved. Hubert Leon Raper 18:32, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
You are absolutely correct. I tried it an another computer and it worked. However, using Adobe is a pain in the <beep> for readers. Do you know how to convert pdf files to html files? I see there are quite a few sources to do that on the internet. If you can't do it I'll try myself on all 10 of my .pdf files. By the way did you get all 10 files emailed to you? Thank you very much.
Thank you and I will review your Wikipedia page references. I am very sorry, but I don't have a PhD in Wikipedia. I am just trying to survive getting my Wikipedia page completed. I really appreciate your help. LeonRaper 04:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I am just trying to survive getting my Wikipedia page completed. If you keep posting things such as that, other editors are going to start to question your motives for editing. They might assume (perhaps unfairly) that you are more interested in self-promotion: not so much as for financial gain, but perhaps because you feel you should be somehow recognized for your achievements. That's not what Wikipedia is really about. Wikipedia is not for telling the world who you are; Wikipedia is only for letting the world know what independent reliable sources have said about you. Our role as editors is to take whatever information can be found in those reliable sources, and express it in our own words in a way that complies with Wikipedia's standards. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Swing Dance Hall of Fame. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's
talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents
consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an
appropriate noticeboard or seek
dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary
page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be
blocked from editing.
The requirements for proper sourcing have been repeatedly explained to you at
Draft talk:Leon Raper and your talk page. I think that the tolerance extended to new editors has pretty much reached an end.
Jbh
Talk
19:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on
edit warring. The thread is
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:LeonRaper reported by User:Jbhunley (Result: ). Thank you.
Jbh
Talk
19:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, LeonRaper. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things
you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the
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In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).
Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Thomas.W talk 19:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry Thomas, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Dancing has been my life. I have spent thousands of hours creating web sites to provide dancers with free information throughout the world. LeonRaper 02:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you purposefully and blatantly
harass a fellow Wikipedian, as you did at
User talk:Theroadislong.
Joseph2302 (
talk)
11:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you
use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising. Wikipedia is
not a mechanism for you to promote yourself, so please stop.
Joseph2302 (
talk)
11:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 12:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —
MRD2014 (formerly Qpalzmmzlapq)
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13:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry to say that with yet another AFC submission of your article declined and no prospect for more sources with significant coverage it is my firm opinion you do not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion in the encyclopedia. This is in no way meant to diminish your decades of work or your accomplishments. I simply mean that the sources are not sufficiant to demonstrate notability. I believe further submissions to AFC without significant improvement in the article would be considered disruptive and would likely lead to administrative sanction.
I hope you will consider continuing to participate as an editor here on Wikipedia. Your extensive knowledge about dance and the engineering and Hollywood knowledge would make you a very valluable contributor in those areas. Jbh Talk 16:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
{{
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Drmies (
talk)
18:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)Keep in mind that you're not dealing/interacting with employees of Wikipedia. You're interacting with total volunteers who are in no way formally associated with or employed by Wikipedia...this is actually how Wikipedia works...hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world build Wikipedia, and keep each other in line via policy that was agreed upon via consensus..(so none of these people are obligated to interact with you as if they are employees who owe you "customer service.")
You seem to be an accomplished guy who is notable within certain dance communities. This may not, however, make you notable in the way Wikipedia has defined it for an article topic..It's possible you are; but this would have to be properly established just like it has to be for any other potential article topic (via the notability guidelines)..If you fail at notability here, no big deal...it's possible you still have content that could be included in other articles (ie "Swing Dance" etc and perhaps even links to some of your websites could possibly be included there...best to propose on the TALK pages of these articles first though).. 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 18:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I know it may be a bit of a blow to you to hear that your life is "not notable", but please understand that this will be true for the vast majority of people. I myself work in a high-profile field, and could easily put together an article about myself (under my real name) with many citations, but it really wouldn't be enough to pass the Wikipedia notability standards, and I would expect that it would be deleted because of that.
Please note that the block put on you is not infinite, it is "indefinite". That means that it can be lifted at any time. There is a procedure to do so - which is noted on the block notice above - and you're welcome to file an unblock request. However, speaking for myself (a non-admin) and not for Drmies or any other Wikipedia admin, I would imagine that your unblock request would be better received if you pledged not to try to create another article about yourself, and to try your best to learn to follow Wikipedia's policies and customary procedures. We always need editors here to contribute to improving the encyclopedia, and would love to welcome you as a participant, so please give what I've written some thought, and decide if you would like to be part of the Wikipedia community under those terms. My best to you, BMK ( talk) 19:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I am sick of Wikipedia talking about me not notable enough. If you really believe that then just delete my proposed page because you don't know anything about me. LeonRaper 01:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Dear Mr Raper, from a lot of the interactions I've seen here on your talk page and elsewhere there seems to be a disparity over what you consider notability and what Wikipedia considers notability. Wikipedia's definition of notability is quite stringent. Yes, you certainly have provided references and citations that mention your name in regards to your activities within Swing dance. However, notability is established by use of reliable sourcing and verification. These two terms have very specific meanings on Wikipedia. Reliable sources are required to have extensive editorial oversight of their publications, such sources include major newspapers and news outlets, both online and offline. For example, information about a movie published on the website Rotten Tomatoes is considered reliable whereas information published on IMDB.com is not considered reliable because it is largely user generated with little oversight. There are exceptions even within major news outlets. For instance, Fox News is never considered reliable largely because of its, near rabid, ultra conservative pro-Republican bias, despite the fact that it has an extensive oversight apparatus. One of the UK's largest papers, the Daily Mail, is also not considered reliable as it is largely a tabloid known for delivering false stories to increase circulation, again despite having an extensive oversight apparatus.
Local news coverage, i.e. media that is only circulated within a small community, can be used sometimes as a reliable source to help establish notability, but an article that relies purely on such coverage would not be considered notable. Instead, editors reviewing an article that includes local news coverage generally expect that the foundation of the article relies on strong sourcing from the aforementioned major outlets.
This is just step 1 in the process of establishing notability. Now, even if you are able to have a reliable major publication mention you, the next phase of verifying notability is whether the source talks about the subject in depth. This means that the article solely talks about the subject, in this case you and your life's work. Merely being a single line mention in a reliable source is insufficient to establish notability. For example, a newspaper running an interview article that discusses your early life, how you got into swing dance, what you achieved, the halls of fame you been listed, the competitions you have won or perhaps missed out on, etc. would certainly be considered a good strong source in terms of general notability. However, an article that is reporting on the 2015 Hall of Fame where it is simply mentioned that Mr, Mrs or Ms So-and-so was listed but goes on to other entries would not be considered a strong source, unless of course it was providing sourcing for a statement about the fact that Mr, Mrs or Ms So-and-so had entered in the the Hall of Fame. However, in the wider context of Wikipedia's standard of notability, it would be of limited strength.
Please bear in mind that this does nothing to take away the notability you have within the swing dance community. But within the policies and guidelines developed by the general community on Wikipedia, an article about you just does not fit the bill. I hope that this may alleviate some of the distress your experience has brought you. With respect, Blackmane ( talk) 03:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Please don't bother me again about notability. If I am not notabile to you then you don't have a clue who I am. Please don't confront me with this notability issue again. LeonRaper 04:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I would really appreciate getting help listing me on the hall of fame page. I just sent an email this morning to Annie Hirsch, J-Jay,Jim Tigges and Mary Collins (Dean Collins wife) containing my Dance Biography and links of me and Colleen dancing. See below:
Regarding "shoot the messenger," I have been sent the same comment over 100 times by Wikipedia people. Enough is Enough.
I would really appreciate it if someone would finalize my web page. There is only one outstanding citation which I sent a solution in for yesterday.
Thanks again, LeonRaper 13:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry, we use to live in a world where human beings talked to other human beings. I can't remember numbers when I am dealing with over 30 Wikipedia people.
I wish someone would add the citations to my References that I sent to Wikipedia. I also wish someone would add the citation I sent yesterday to my Awards, 1015 Award.
I really appreciate your help. LeonRaper 14:25, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I understand you're frustrated Hubert Leon Raper at hearing the same thing over and over again, but believe me it's even more frustrating for editors to keep explaining the same thing over and over again to you. You being blocked from editing is basically Wikipedia telling you "Enough is Enough" because the perception is that you either refuse to listen to or are incapable of understanding what various editors have been trying to tell you. As explained to you previously, this is not "your web page" and continuing to refer to it as such only shows that the administrator who blocked you was correct in doing so. The administrator blocked you because he feels your only interest in Wikipedia is getting an article written about you and that you have no interest whatsoever in helping to improve overall quality of Wikipedia. In other words, the community seems to feel that you have nothing positive to contribute to Wikipedia. I say "community" because that is what Wikipedia basically is; it's volunteers from around the world working together to try and improve the overall quality of Wikipedia. The blocking administrator did not act arbitrarily; he was responding to concerns others posted about you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:LeonRaper and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:LeonRaper reported by User:Jbhunley (Result: Blocked indef for other reasons). The quality of our edits are all others have to go on when it comes to Wikipedia. Mistakes are expected and even encouraged because basically the encyclopedia is improved over time by correcting these mistakes. The community, however, also expects its editors to learn from their mistakes and not repeat them over and over again. The community is only willing to be so patient and it will request that administrators get involved if it feels these mistakes start becoming detrimental to Wikipedia.
So, if your goal is to be given a second chance and be unblocked, then continuing to insist that Wikipedia publish your article is not the right way to go about accomplishing that. None of the references you have provided so far are sufficient for a stand-alone article to be written about you. I've really tried hard to find stuff, but I have just had no luck. You need to accept that for what it is and move on, at least for the time being. You have much knowledge which could be helpful in improving so many other articles. The reason so many editors have been trying to help you is that they sincelrely feel you can contribute positively to Wikipedia. If you were just somebody only interested in playing games and vandalizing Wikipedia, you would've been dropped like a hot potato and blocked right at the start. So, if you just gave some indication that you were willing to do try and contribute to building the encyclopedia in other ways, then the blocking administrator might feel that a second chance is not going to be just a waste of time. You should also understand that if you continue to use this talk page to try and lash out at others, the blocking administrator may decide to block you from even editing it. So far, you haven't asked about what you need to do to get unblocked. Do you want to be able to edit Wikipedia again? Your primary concern at the moment, in my opinion, should be figuring out what you need to do to get back into good standing as editor. You should put your draft on the back burner for the time being and focus on what you need to do to get unblocked. On the other hand, if you really have no interest at all in getting unblocked and helping to build the encyclopedia, then just say so. That way everyone will as least know where you stand. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 15:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Why didn't anyone give this gentleman the advice to lurk moar? Wikipedia is not a place for someone to arrive out of the blue and make an article about themselves (unless they happen to be a big financial donor to Wikipedia of course [1]). He should have been told to look at hundreds of Wikipedia articles, preferably biographical articles, then to start making some edits to existing articles. Then after making a few thousand such edits, and in a few months from now, maybe he would be in a position to create an article and know how to word it correctly, and format it, and reference it - or have the understanding that such an article should not exist due to lack of notability. Notability means being noted in acceptable sources. If Mr Raper has that notability, the chance is that somebody sometime will make an article. Tiptoethrutheminefield ( talk) 02:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
If Mr. Raper has any interest in giving Wikipedia a try in the future (he may not at this point) I'd encourage him to switch his attention from an article about himself to articles such as "Swing Dance." That article could certainly be improved. And there's a section called "swing dancing today" which could use major expansion...you likely have knowledge and even documents/cites to be used in that article...and possibly things you've been involved with can be referenced there...so if make an unblock request, perhaps state your intention to work on these types of articles... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 11:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
Joseph2302 (
talk)
12:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Please
stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may lose the ability to edit this page also. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. --
GB
fan
15:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jbhunley,
I am getting massive negativity from reviewers at Wikipedia. Could you please send this to Theroadislong, Marchjuly, GB fan, Randykitty, and wherever you can at Wikipedia so all the reviewers can see it. Others at Wikipedia have told me they haven’t seen this yet.
Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: AZ Daily Sun - Apr 16-1989.pdf AZ Daily Sun - June 6-1992.pdf French Book 2012.pdf Jitterbug Magazine 9-1992.pdf Journal Plus - Nov 1-2000.pdf Lumberjack Apr 8-1992.pdf Lumberjack March 4-1992.pdf Orange County Register - Oct 27-1974 - New.pdf Orange County Register 10-27-1974.pdf Swing Dance Journal - Oct 1992.pdf WSDHOF Award 2015.pdf Shortcut to: C:\Users\Leon\Documents\HLR - Wikipedia\WSDHOF Award 2015.pdf LeonRaper 17:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I believe most of the information contained in the sources is in the article and cited to single articles. (I did not add sources which were duplicative when I first went through them) I admit that once I saw Mr Raper would not even bother to meet us half way by simply properly signing and indenting his comments - after many explanations and requests - I lost interest in continuing to help him and backed off to let others manage this. Jbh Talk 22:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "LeonRaper", may not comply with our
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23:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I have a feeling this is an erroneous message. Just ignore it for now.. 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 01:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC
LeonRaper 03:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a clue why you want more information from me. You send me a bunch of Jibberish requesting me to respond to something. I have sent you 10 pdf citations which gives you a great deal of information. Isn't it about time Wikipedia stops asking questions and starts working on my proposed Wikipedia page. After dealing with over 500 contacts with Wikipedia people, I need resolutions, and not questions.
LeonRaper 03:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 11:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Until yesterday no one at Wikipedia had seen my 10 pdf citations for my References which I emailed to one of your volunteers. Nobody really new who I am. However, over the past month I have experienced approximately 500 contacts back and forth with about 35 of your volunteers. Most of the comments I received were highly negative. And yes, I got angry. Keep in mind all this occurred before anyone really knew much about me. The emailing of my 10 pdf files will hopefully let them know a little more about me and the dance world. Now all your volunteers are so angry with me I can't get anything done. To let you know something about me please see my dance biography at http://www.dancecorner.com/hlr/biodanc.html . I am not recommending that biography for my Wikipedia page. Most of my proposed page was rewritten by Rhonda Robbins who I think had something to do with Wikipedia. I don't really know who she is. I am 80 years old and have spent over 50 years dancing. I have the largest dance sites on the internet. Please see my 2015 World Swing Dance Hall of Fame award presentation at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3cJ7wm7sTg I was one of the first web site creators on the internet. I got many domain names related to dance starting in 1995 with http://www.SwingDane.com My two most important web sites are http://www.DanceDictionary.com (2000) and http://www.WhosWhoInSwingDance.com (2007) ... I have provided free dance information to people all over the world. You can see my references at Draft:Leon Raper ... Only 5 of my pdf citations have been placed there to date. I wish Wikipedia would have connected me with volunteers who had experience in the dance world. Non dancers don't have a clue what I am talking about. I wish we could restart and deal strictly with volunteers from the dance world. Non dancers have no interest whatsoever in the dance world. I am very sorry for getting angry, but if you had over 500 contacts with volunteers consistently making negative comments to you. Then you would get angry too. Thank you very much for letting me tell my side of the story.
Decline reason:
Everything you say indicates that your only intention is to continue to use Wikipedia to publicise yourself, your work, and your opinions. Unfortunately, you seem to be either unable or unwilling to understand points which editors have patiently and painstakingly explained to you over and over again about how Wikipedia works and why your intentions are inconsistent with how it works. You are not going to be unblocked in order to let you do precisely the things which you have had explained over and over again are not in line with Wikipedia's requirements. I think it only fair to also inform you that you have wasted so much time of other editors that if you continue to post messages which totally ignore everything which has been explained to you, then it is likely that your talk page access will be removed to prevent further waste of editors' time. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 14:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
LeonRaper 11:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Friendly advice: take a couple week break from Wikipedia; just take a deep breath. Then read the policy pages on notability that have been provided to you (with a calm reading you'll learn that Wikipedia has a very particular way of defining "notability"..which means many people/things that are indeed notable otherwise don't qualify for an article within the realm of Wikipedia (but don't worry about it, who cares?)...then check out some articles you're interested in (like swing dancing) and see if there are things you can contribute to those articles...(it's even possible that things you've done and been involved with can be referenced/mentioned within those articles)...do not make another unblock request until you've taken my advice as it will just cause more problems/be a waste of time...and if you try to unblock again explain how you'll be interested in editing in the future (which will involve editing articles other than about yourself)... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 14:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Consider looking into places other than Wikipedia to post information about yourself and dancing (as Wikipedia just doesn't seem like a good place for this)..there must be other, better venues for this information to be posted...and you can likely still use those pdf sources at another venue so your time isn't wasted as far as creating those.... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 17:23, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi again Leon Raper. I still feel you have lots of knowledge about a variety of subjects, not just dance, that you could use to help improve Wikipedia. You experience as a proofreader/technical writer means you could really help as a Wikipedia:WikiGnome, a Wikipedia:WikiFairy or as a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. This may not sound too glamorous, but you look at lots of different articles (some of which are pretty interesting) and see lots of different styles of editing.
As for other places to post you dance info, I Googled "dancepedia" on a whim and found
www
Anyway, as stated early on by BMK, being indefintely blocked does not mean forever. 68.48.241.158's "friendly advice" is not just friendly; it's really good advice. The more you poke around Wikipedia and see how others edit and how they explain their edits, the better feel you get for the place. Then after a bit of time has passed, you can post another unblock request if you feel that you would try editing Wikipedia again. I think that administrators like JamesBWatson would like nothing more than to unblock you, but they will only do so if it's to Wikipedia's benefit. That last bit might sound a little harsh and negative, but it's not intended to be. Please try to understand that administrators also have rules to follow and more is actually expected of them by some because of the special privaledges they've been granted by the Wikipedia community. They have to make some tough (seemingly unfair) decisions sometimes, but they are expected to do what's best for the community as a whole, not just what's best for a single editor. Anyway, best of luck to you. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
About 37 volunteers said I was not notable before they even read my biography. That is very negative. I should not be blocked. I got angry receiving over 500 back & forth negative comments about me from your people. You would have gotten very angry. I apologized to them, but it didn't make any difference. LeonRaper 14:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 18:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I have asked for help many times. Your volunteers mostly just recommend me to your help pages. I'm sorry, but I can't figure this all out. I need real help. Marchjuly, Theroadislong, and some others use to try and help me, but I can't do anything any more because of being blocked. Anthony Bradbury, Administrator, just contacted me very nicely, but I still don't know what to do. I have had many years developing computer hardware and software with 5 patents. However, due to a minor brain stroke that I have mentioned to your people on many occasions, I still can't get help. I think my project would be simple to complete, with help. And then if Wikipedia doesn't like it, just delete it and I'll get on down the road.
Decline reason:
WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Your time would be better spent on pursuits other than trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:45, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
LeonRaper 18:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Take my word for it; you're not going to have a Wikipedia article about yourself..Wikipedia isn't designed in a manner that would allow it..but you should definitely complete your project/your write up about yourself and find places online (dance related sites) that would be glad to have it..you're also not going to be unblocked as things are going...honestly, just forget Wikipedia..it's not a big deal...you'll be much happier and less aggravated if you just "get on down the road" as you said..Respectfully, 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 18:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 10:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
[[User:Leon Raper|LeonRaper]] [[User talk:LeonRaper|talk]]
LeonRaper 10:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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from your signature in Preferences. They are tags which made what I suggested you change your signature to display properly on the talk page, you can see how I had to use two pairs of tags to make them display here too. Thank you for working to clean up your signature and have an enjoyable Memorial Day.
Jbh
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11:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)LeonRaper 13:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 14:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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There is a lot of information to absorb about Wikipedia it can be overwhelming and no one knows it all. The best ways to learn is to see how other editors do things and copy them or, as you are doing, ask. Cheers. Jbh Talk 14:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is very complicated. I have written thousands of things in HTML. Before that I wrote everything in dBase. Before that it was Fortran.
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::::Wikipedia is very complicated. I have written thousands of things in HTML. Before that I wrote everything in dBase. Before that it was Fortran.
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LeonRaper 15:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help.
LeonRaper 15:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Great information. I'll definitely use it. I wish they would remove the block from my Draft:LeonRaper page. I need to be able to edit the page using some of the new stuff I have learned.
--LeonRaper 21:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi LeonRaper. Nobody has blocked/protected the draft from editing. Any editor in good standing can still edit it. What has happened, however, is that your account has been blocked from editing any Wikipedia page other than this talk page. (Sorry if the bold was a bit dramatic, but I wanted to make that point clear) Unfortunately, you are unlikely to be unblocked by an administrator as long as you keep posting stuff such as I wish they would remove the block from my Draft:LeonRaper page. I need to be able to edit the page using some of the new stuff I have learned
which indicates that you intend to keep trying write about yourself if you are unblocked. You've made two unblock requests and each has been declined because the concerned administrator remains convinced is that your only interest in Wikipedia is using it to let others know about you and your endeavors.
Ohnoitsjamie, the administrator who declined your last unblock request, wrote Your time would be better spent on pursuits other than trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself
, so you need to convince administrators that you are no longer interested in using Wikipedia to try and promote yourself. I know you don't see it at that way, but you need to be concerned with how administrators and other editors see it. It would probably not be an exaggeration to say that hundreds of accounts are indefinitely blocked by administrators daily for the same reason and that administrators will continue to block such accounts in the future as long as the Wikipedia community feels that doing so is to its benefit. So, you need to give administrators a reason to give you
another chance by showing them that you understand why you were blocked and stating that you will not repeat the mistakes that got your account blocked in the first place. What they are telling you is to leave the draft alone and (as you say) "get on down the road". You may not agree with this and it may not seem fair, but the only way I see an administrator agreeing to unblock you is if you unequivocally agree to stop from working on your draft and to stop trying to adding content about yourself to other Wikipedia articles. As I've said before, there are plenty of ways for editors to positively contribute to Wikipedia that have nothing to do with creating/editing content about themselves of people/things they are connected to. Try and figure out some other ways you can positively contribute to Wikipedia because that's what the administrators want to hear from you. --
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LeonRaper 01:44, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 02:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC) Hi Marchjuly, I am sorry I am not going to do any more. If you want the over 500 messages sent back and forth then give me a real email address to send them to. I'm done. Thank you for all your help. --LeonRaper 02:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 10:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 16:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 17:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry you have to do that. That eliminates any conversations I can have with Wikipedia. I was just trying to help Skippy who I have known for over 50 years. I know you are working on her Wikipedia page.
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LeonRaper 00:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 15:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 22:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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--LeonRaper 20:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
You have done many good things but like many tens of thousands of people who have done good things you have not been recognized by the media in the ways required by Wikipedia policies to merit an article. I have looked for coverage on you - hell my family, who are not Wikepedians but thought you had done some good stuff looked for good coverage (one even thinks they recognized you from movies - neat but meaningless from a WP:N point of view) - none was found. I am sorry to say there is nothing more to do or say on the subject. Barring new significant coverage consensus among the many editors here is that you simply do not qualify for a Wikipedia article. You must now accept that, it may not be fair, but it is the way things are.
I have enjoyed learning more about swing dance and I have seen some great dancing researching this and I thank you for giving me a reason to look into that world. It is, however, time for you to move on to other endeavors and I wish you success and happiness in those things. Jbh Talk 20:54, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Raper has published many items on the internet.
SwingDance.com DanceDictionary.com WhosWhoInSwingDance.com WorldDanceInfo.com MastersOfSwingDance.com (Videos) DanceCorner.com NightclubSwing.com BalboaDanceCorner.com BallroomDanceCorner.com CharlestonDanceCorner.com LindyHopDanceCorner.com ShagDanceCorner.com
World Swing Dance Council (WSDC) Los Angeles Swing Dance Club (LASDC) - Charter Member Greater Phoenix Swing Dance Club (GPSDC) California Swing Dance Club (CSDC) Competition Swing Dancers Association National Teachers Association (NTA) United Country Western Dance Council (UCWDC) Country Western Line Dance Association (CWLDA) Golden State Dance Association (GSDA) Screen Actors Guild (SAG) American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) Writers Guild of America (WGA) American Federation of Musicians Local 47 (AFM) American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) Writers Guild of America (WGA) American Federation of Musicians Local 47 (AFM) American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
Getting Started - 1960's Early in 1967 I saw an advertisement from a dance studio in Anaheim California. They had an introductory offer of five lessons for $25 and the dance instructor was beautiful. Like so many newcomers to dance, I was convinced I could learn all there was to know about social dance in the five lessons. After about the third lesson, I was beginning to realized that learning dance was a little more challenging than I thought. When they tried to get me to sign a $2,000 contract for dance lessons I quit the studio, but I didn't quit dance. I was hooked. I then joined a ballroom dance class at Dale's Dance Studio in Whittier California. It was there I spent two nights per week, 2 hours per night, for over 1-1/2 years learning most of the ballroom dances which included West Coast Swing. I also went out dancing many nights per week trying to perfect my skills as a dancer. My arts background, being a musician for many years, gave me the desire to become a good dancer. However, my engineering and computers background made me want to really understand the mechanics of movement and be able to write dance. During this time period I was also going ballroom dancing at the Golden West Ballroom in Downey, CA. That is where I was lucky enough to meet Skippy Blair. I started attending her lessons and workshops and found that her Universal Units System was exactly what I had been looking for. Working with Skippy and learning her Universal Units System provided me with excellent techniques for writing dance and helped me develop a real understanding of the mechanics movement. From this I became a real dance techno-junkie allowing me to rapidly expand my knowledge and abilities with advanced forms of dance. I also studied with many other highly recognized dancers in the business including Dean Collins, Jack & Teddy Pina, Willie Desatoff, Kenny Wetzel and many others. In addition I attended many dance workshops with top instructors. In 1968, one evening after the dance class was over at Dale's Dance Studio, Dale took the dance class to see a swing dance contest at Stan's Night Club in Downey California. It was the most exciting thing I ever saw. The World Swing Dance Champions (Pat & Darleene) happened to be dancing that night along with some of the best swing dancers in California. While the World Champs were dancing, Pat put Darleene into a triple shoulder spin like a propeller spinning three times around his shoulder. I was so impressed by everyone's dancing that I decided that is what I wanted to do with my life. So, I began entering contests and spent several years and danced over 400 contests against the same people. It took me two years of hard work to develop that triple shoulder spin, but I finally perfected it - including a great deal of other competition dancing material. In 1968 I joined the California Swing Dance Club that met at Stan's Night Club in Downey, CA. In 1969 I became a founding charter member (#17) of the Los Angeles Swing Dance Club. I also became very active in the development of the club's bylaws. I am still a charter member of the LASDC today.
1970's - 1980's May 1971, I started writing and publishing the "Jitterbug Newsletter" with the intent that it would be a central point of communications for the swing dance community throughout the U.S. It was printed and mailed free to anyone in the U.S. that wanted it -- at my own expense. The mailing list was to over 500 swing dancers. The final issue was published in May of 1975. July 7, 1973 my partner and I danced in the World Championship Swing Dance Contest at the Palladium in Hollywood, CA. We didn't win, but it was great dancing to Les Brown's Band in front of over 2,000 people. January 1974, I wrote the book "Professional Competition Dancing." At that time, as far as I know, it was the only book ever written on judging and scoring techniques for competition dancing. Mid 1974, I founded the "Jitterbug Club of America" which held its dances in the Off Broadway West at the Grand Hotel in Anaheim, CA and later at Alias Smith & Jones in Santa Ana, CA. My out of pocket cost was over $5,000 to keep the club going. 1974-1985, I just went dancing for the enjoyment of it and honed my dance techno-junkie skills by studying advanced forms of dance and teaching private lessons. I was also a judge for many dance competitions. 1985, I moved to Flagstaff Arizona and started teaching dance classes -- sometimes three classes per week and mostly west coast swing. Since then I have also taught classes Sedona, Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Beaver Creek and Phoenix Arizona for the Greater Phoenix Swing Dance Club.
1990's Early 1993 was the start of my Internet listing of all the swing dance clubs throughout the world. I still update the site on a regular basis. The web site also now contains links to a great deal of other dance information. This was in the early days of the Internet, with primitive browsers and editors. All the code had to be written in HTML by hand. October 1993, I founded the Flagstaff Swing Dance Club, Inc. in Flagstaff, AZ and served as president and dance instructor until October 1995 after which I turned it over to a new board of directors. The club still meets on a weekly basis. Early 1994, I founded the Swing Dance Research and Historical Association (SDRHA). The association goal is to gather information pertaining to the history of Swing Dance. The results of the association research are published on the Internet. 1995, I published my book Who's Who in Swing Dance on the Internet. The book gives long overdue recognition to those who have contributed the most to the art, science and betterment of Swing Dance. The book covers the period from the late 1920s (when the Charleston was making its transition to the Lindy Hop) to the present. Today there are several web sites containing this type of information, but mine was first on the Internet. 1998, I published my book Raper's Dance Dictionary on the Internet. The book includes the definition of many terms used for social dancing. It also indicates if there are different interpretations for some terms and what each interpretation is. It goes much further than a normal dictionary. It is really an encyclopedia of social dance.
2000 to Current January 2000, I founded the Verde Valley Swing Dance Club in Camp Verde, AZ. However, there wasn't enough support so the club folded. Early 2005 I started taking lessons in International Standard and American Smooth Ballroom Dancing. Early 2007 I studied International Standard with John Berry -- one of the most knowledgeable dance coaches that I have ever met. I also studied for many years with the great National dance instructor Jenell Maranto. September 2008 California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Golden Star Nomination. September 2010 California Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Golden Star Award. September 2015 World Swing Dance Hall of Fame, Special Recognition Award
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LeonRaper 20:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 00:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 17:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
I wish you would make a correction to the term RAPER in all its references in Wikipedia. The name RAPER comes from England. One definition is "Makers of Rope." Please see the following definition:
--LeonRaper 17:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 20:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Would someone please send this message to BethNaught. I can't do it any other way because they have my Draft:Leon Raper page blocked and they won't let me edit or talk to anyone except through this page:
Would someone at Wikipedia please help me?
--LeonRaper 20:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Leon Raper, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for
deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Leon Raper and please be sure to
sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of
Draft:Leon Raper during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
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LeonRaper 21:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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little kidsisn't going to improve your chances of anyone trying to help you again -- samtar talk or stalk 21:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 22:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 22:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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LeonRaper 00:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 00:26, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
This is really getting out of hand, editor clearly does not understand Wikipedia and what we do here. Despite all the help, this editor seems content on bad mouthing other editors when he doesn't get his way. He is misunderstanding policy, leading to rants like the one directly above. Editors are allowed to put some content on their user page, so Samtar does not deserve to be attacked for pointing out the obvious fact that talk page access should be revoked, and it should be noted that Samtar is a volunteer, just like everyone else here, so the "move up the ladder" argument is getting old. There is a very good reason why editors are not commenting on what you wrote on your website, it's because Wikipedia talk pages are for discussing Wikipedia, not for discussing what an editor posts on other sites. You say we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Other editors spent weeks trying to help you, even when it became obvious nothing would work, editors continued to try to help. There is no editor who should be ashamed of anything they did here. 47.54.149.147 ( talk) 01:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 14:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 14:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Anyway I have no further need nor desire to further engage with you. I am truely sorry you feel slighted but you can either a) get over it b) continue to complain pointlessly here c) become insulting and abusive and loose access to thei page and any chance of presenting new material written by third parties d) go out and find a major metropolitan or regional newspaper Arts/Style reporter who wants to write about you and get something published.
You have done some cool stuff within your community. Be satisfied with that. Go dance or contribute further to your community. Continuing on the path you have set out on here will lead to nothing but bitterness and disappointment for you - I can see it in your recent posts. Now, as I said earlier, I am done here unless and until you become more abusive in your posts. Please have an enjoyable weekend. Jbh Talk 15:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
I request that my Draft:Leon Raper page be completely removed from Wikipedia. None of your reviewers will ever approve the page for publication in Wikipedia. No more games!!!
--LeonRaper 19:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper 23:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
--LeonRaper 23:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted your draft as you requested. Can you please now refrain from using this talk page except for formulating proper unblock requests (should you wish to be unblocked)? -- NeilN talk to me 23:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
You have used up all of my good will. Your article has been deleted - at your request. Drop it.
@ NeilN: This guy is just not getting it, he as moved from complaining on his talk page to complaining via email-this-user. Jbh Talk 12:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Reblocked with email and talk page access removed as there are probably others getting the same complaints. LeonRaper, you can use WP:UTRS if you wish to submit a block appeal. -- NeilN talk to me 12:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
UTRS appeal #15969 was submitted on Jun 15, 2016 13:31:13. This review is now closed.
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LeonRaper ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
UTRS appeal #16028 was submitted on Jun 23, 2016 21:53:35. This review is now closed.