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i appreciate the notice. Good friend100 02:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, looking at the source for that image now, I'm surprised that I uploaded it because it is difficult to determine if the image is free of licensing issues. Japanese copyright law is "death+50." However, even though that picture was taken in 1935, it's unknown when and if the author of the picture died. I think, instead, the licensing should be marked under "fair use," like Image:Slayers.jpg. If fair use can't be justified, then the image should be deleted. Cla68 13:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for leaving me a note on my discussion page. Although i respect your position about fair use images, i disagree with you.
As those images represents paintings which may help a casual reader to understand the nature of this conflict and the are indeed photos which are likely to be public sector owned (potential canditate for public domain).Being part of the Korean navy As stated on this source at the bottom of the page-Korean Naval Academy ( state entity and would-if requested-qualify as public domain) . It seems that the original artists made these paintings during the late 1970s for Korean history books and for promoting korean history during Park Chung Hee's era (to "Yonsei University Press").(Further details on comments).
These paintings represents an artistic description of a series of iconic battles that affected East Asia during the 16th century, stated that, it would be appropiate that if "graphic material" is available and used with precaution and not abuse would adecuately qualify to Wikipedia fair use doctrine.
And, if you still dont think so, why don't invite, Korean folk's to post their oppinions, about if this image should be eliminated or not. They have their point of view more that has to be considered, and it is likely that their's is more accurate than mine. Perhaps they should give a better judgement about this issue. -- HappyApple 03:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i have read your response that you have left me on my discussion page, below my impressions: I am aware that Wikipedia is not a democracy but it is also true that each editor has the right to post their impressions on whether the deletion is accurate or not. And the tag at the bottom of each image speficies this very well.
Dont forget the deletion will not be done by a casual wikipedian, it will be done by an administrator, which i hope he or she would be fairly neutral on this issue.
I have already stated my position about the deletion, i don't think it is fair nor accurate, to me, as a casual reader, it really helped me to understand how this conflict developed and i think it will have the same effect on newer readers. (An image worth more than a thousand words), i am already aware how it works fair use, i have experienced simmilar cases before and i belive this case in particular can be considered a little bit out of the line.
I think if fair use can be claimed for each painting as they dont seem to abuse of fair use itself and they actually help as a graphic description for each battle.
As i said on "speedied" , while i respect your possition, i disagree. (Reasons already given).
About Hwacha images, unfortunatelly i havent received any response nor from Angelo Toscano (the creator of the image of Hwacha standing at the Palace) or from Andy "-Timur Lamed-" (the creator of Hwacha firing arrows), it is likely that if i dont receive their response on this week, the images will be deleted. It will be sad, and hardly to admit that copyright policy on Wikipedia can be very awful sometimes, unfortuntally there is nothing else what i can do for trying to save these images, just waiting.-- HappyApple 06:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on Dokdo and other Japan/Korea-related articles. Although I reverted one of your edits on Dokdo earlier, I just want to say that I think you're doing good work and I really appreciate that you're aiming to make good articles, not just to represent any one POV. Keep up the good work! -- Reuben 20:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't my vandalism. :) Soulresin 01:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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Here are the test templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TestTemplates. Put the appropriate test template on his page immediately following problematic behaviour. Start at the lower levels and walk them through. After a final warning, report him at vandalism in progress. If he does something really bad, skip a level. But I'm not going to block someone who doesn't have a "final warning" template on their page that is more than a day old. Buck ets ofg✐ 04:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Why do you say I deleted your warning? It was your allegedly welcome notice. I didn't delete your warning. It was basically the same welcome notice I had already, that's why I deleted your Welcome notice. I let stay your writing about Dokdo on my user page. Are you trying to put a bad image on me? Please change the title you put in my user page. Ginnre 19:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, I didn't delete your warning. Your welcome message didn't have any indication that that was warning. So I asked you to change what you have written on my page. It's just not right. Ginnre 20:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! This is Wikimachine. Upon your notice, I replied to you at the possibly unfree images section. Could you take a look at it? ( Wikimachine 15:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC))
I don't see the sentiment you mentioned. Where is it? "that sentiment is already present just a few words later (redundant))". I think my edit won't harm the article that much to be deleted. If you want to keep the article so concise, why do you keep, for example, current situation section as-is? The subway exhibition paragraph is more than redundent or too in detail. It looks like in general you are too benevolent for Japanese favorable edit and too strict for Korean fovorable edit. Ginnre 00:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't violate neutral point of view. I wrote that based on the following reference. read this: [1] [2] I think you are benevolent for Japanese favorable edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.213.247.53 ( talk • contribs) 00:35, August 15, 2006
Would you please ask me before you modify my edit? You keep change my edit first and I keep asking to change again. Why should this be like this? The link [3] comes entirely from Japanese source. Acutally the article is the same as one posted in Kyodo news. I don't know Komdori's intention to cite an Indonesian source, but it's misleading. And I checked Korean source about the meeting and the Korean sentiment was different. They would hear what Japanese propose and would keep the discussion channel, but their policy didn't change significantly. And it is not yet determined whether to establish that kind of procedure [4]. I don't know whether you can read Korean, but I couldn't find an english page. And it is confusing to use 'the disputed area' because they only mentioned and discussed about EEZs, not about the islands. So this edit could be easily misleading and need to be modified. Ginnre 01:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for warning me about the edit, but it wasn't me who wrote that segment originally, so I won't insist that that is what should be there. I have to say this latest name change stirred up quite a storm though! I still wonder if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Perhaps all the activity will prove to be a good thing in the end. Rōnin 02:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Some people seem to have an axe to grind on this page. Honestly I don't think there is anything we can do but continue reverts which undermine NPOV in the article. — Aiden 04:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i've noticed you tagged Image:HwachaAttack.jpg as copyright infringement. I uploaded the image to explain the portrayal of hwacha in games and to be used in Civilization III Play the World. I also noticed the size of the image was larger to be considered fair use so i scaled to a minimum size the image to be fair use tolerable and also specified a fair use for the picture, and added details, i hope the recent modifications i did may have solved this problem.-- HappyApple 05:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, i've noticed you left a quick note in my discussion page, but before post my impressions, i want to say that all my personal messages to user:Goodfriend100 are only to him, not directly to you, i 'll see if he is willing to read the message and to feedback me as he can. So i was expecting a little bit more discression.
Here my further impressions:
Finally, i have not any intention to make this a dispute, in my oppinion, i think your patrolling range should be more wider instead focusing in only korean related articles (which of course this is a suggestion). As feedback i hope this message can extinguish any flames which may have been produced so far, cheers. -- HappyApple 08:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
The editor who keeps reverting the Mas Oyama article is one of several POV pushers on Wikipedia who appear to have chips on their shoulders the size of Seoraksan mountain. They're very persistant, stubborn, and immature in the way they operate. Thus, I choose not to waste my time edit warring with them. They don't seem to understand that they undermine their credibility with their behavior. I plan on eventually making other improvements to the article that hopefully will be left alone. Cla68 08:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
hey fantastic..my english could be better so correct any problem you see. Thanks :) I leave that for today. bye!
Totally understandable about deleting the article if you wish. I was just adding something that might be real, might not. who knows? :) I was thinking if it's on Wiki, more people might be able to put more info on this, and find out if it's a hoax or reality.
no worries mate. :) we'll see what happens. After this weekend, it'll either be on CNN or in the garbage.
You are engaging in an edit war over his user talk page. Please do not interact with Taeguk Warrior at all as it is very clear that the two of you do not get along in the least. You are only pouring gasoline on the fire. Thank you for your cooperation. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 06:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:Navalzhugenu.jpg Liang does not respond and I have no access to this book in considerable time. Can you look it up please? Wandalstouring 10:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
If you want to know why, I talk about why I am removing game references on my user page. It is mainly because I think such references are not relevant to most articles and really are just plugs for these games. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 13:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
But I think games in general should not be refered to in most articles. So I disagree with the argument that games are already refered to in many articles and thus it is alright for the article in question to reference a game. Two or more wrongs does not make a right and I think game references in the article in question and many other articles is wrong. The game's own article should reference this article and any other article. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 15:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Such discussions rarely make it to the right talk page. :p Anyways, right now I am taking a concensus poll on Talk:Hwacha and I want you to come vote. The concensus unofficially is 4 for keep and 6 for delete. If it is officially that, then the other used cannot complain. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 08:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
How am I suppose to fix the images? The wallpaper image was emailed to me from the owner. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WildWorks ( talk • contribs) 09:47, August 19, 2006 (UTC) —
Can you come over to the village pump and give me your opinion? Village pump
I think the chances of this gathering strong support without past cases is fairly low. Maybe you can help me provide a few cases where pop cult sections were removed for the betterment of the article. Right now, Terracotta Army has a largish section with references to games that I think are irrelevant and are fancruft. Another user disagrees with me and refuses to allow it to be removed. Can you help me argue for the sections removal? -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 12:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The only content I removed was your false and uncited information on the Mas Oyama article. That is not vandalism. 72.69.105.138 00:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Could you answer the arguments directly one by one? They are outlined. Thanks. (
Wikimachine 15:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)) P.S. Please don't conspire with JPOV administrators behind the scene. And by revert war, I meant you guys were going to initiate it by responding with edits, not words.
Now I've proved to you that English only pages on Google have more Imjin War than your variations. Also on Google Scholar. Only place you hold edge is on Google Book. And you haven't answered why Google Book shouldn't be used. ( Wikimachine 15:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC))
Please stop using weasel words or I will have you blocked. You keep switching the Seven year war/Japanese invasion/Imjin war article to misdirect it in a certain way. The scorched earth was an incident that happened one time do to civilian uprising. It was not a campaign or military policy. Please do not put in your POV with out references to back it up. -- Tyler 05:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned, nothing more is needed. However, if you have started a process and can get the original source info without to much problem you should. There may be someone in the future that challenges what you have now. Regards - Nv8200p talk 14:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Could you show me what your signature looks like unconverted? KiteString 19:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch for letting me use your code. I picked up on the language quickly. Theres a history of changes on my talk page ^^ = Kite String= 03:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Who gave you the right to delete contents in my page? It looks like you can read Japanese. Then what do you think of 原則的に自由です? It's 'in principal it's up to your will" and I did so. Is it still not public? Bring me another reference that it is copyright protected. Don't emphasize the latter part. I'll revert when you don't bring the sources. Ginnre 20:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope you are not being sarcastic. Good friend100 02:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your friendly advice. I'll just delete it. ( Wikimachine 02:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC))
I repeatedly asked you to answer my question before you take action. Nonetheless you ignord my request and intepreted only in your way and put warning on my page. I'm just surprised how you become a patroller while you act this way. That 2ch page is copyright protected is your interpetation only. You don't understand what 自由 means? To use the text in 2ch.net is 自由 in the first place. Even though they were copyrighted, they can be used as fair use as they said it is 自由 to use it in the first place. What's problem with you? I don't understand why are you so strict on my usage of that page up to the point of paranoia. I ask you again to remove your warning as your repeated attempt to remove the page is unjustified. Ginnre 04:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
I give this barnstar to LactoseTI for his endless input and contributions on Korea/Japan related articles. = Kite String= 19:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC) |
ALthough your viewpoints are different from mine, I respect you as a dilligent editor who is able to keep his temper well on talk pages and give help on miscellaneous matters as well. = Kite String= 19:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There are a few users fighting between two versions of the Korea article, both of which have some severe POV problems. I'm not sure why you chose to join the edit war in favor of one of them here; in many ways the other one was less problematic. This version actively tries to justify or downplay anything negative about the Japanese occupation of Korea, even to the point of making the rather severely POV judgement call that Korea was better off under Japanese control. Also, I'm a bit disappointed that in this edit war, the editor pushing Korean POV has been repeatedly warned and even temporarily blocked, without any apparent recognition that the version he's been reverting is (at least) equally bad. -- Reuben 15:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean by unconfirmed website?
The website is for Korean students to learn about Korean history (even I used to use it), and it is a nice educational site.
None of the other editors disagree with my uploads, I don't understand why these pictures are such a pain to you and others.
First, you want a copyright, so I posted a copyright.
Then you wanted a site from where I got the image, so I posted that.
And now, theres a tag up there saying that this image is "from an unconfirmed website".
So then, if I post a "confirmed website" what will you pick on then?
The copyright is invalid because it isn't a "historical battle" because it was drawn by the Koreans so its POV?
Or lets say the image is invalid because the confirmed website is Korean so that makes it POV?
What other ways are there to curb the images? Throw them all at me at once so I can work my way through them at once, instead of throwing a roadblock one at a time. Good friend100 12:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Pleae don't vandalize good faith edits and leave fradulent warnings on my talk page. I'm more than willing to reasonably discuss and compromise but not if you're going to lie or make fraudulent claims. melonbarmonster 21:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"We are allowed to use books on wikipedia"
Then what is with deleting some points I wrote down in the Pros/Cons section? I clearly gave a reference and I am having the impression that it is being rejected and deleted for no clear reason by the editors who support that the turtle ship never had any iron on it. Good friend100 02:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I wasn't necessarily pointing at you, my bad. Good friend100 03:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I've read everything in the talk page and have checked all the sources. What evidence do you have that turtle ship may not have had iron cladding? What reference, article are you using to claim this? I've tracked down ALL the references and NO reference states this. You're violating WP:A by persisting in your reverts. Give me a decent, reasonable response if you can. melonbarmonster 04:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a final call for references and sources. So if you have anything that mentions any controversy or doubts about iron cladding, please give them. My guess is that you have none and that you were being deceitful and disruptive but you're welcome to prove me wrong by providing some references. melonbarmonster 19:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. — melonbarmonster 04:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Making edits like this are contrary to good faith. Then lying to me and other editors about having provided references doesn't foster good faith.— melonbarmonster 05:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia as you did http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ATurtle_ship&diff=128849617&oldid=128849427, you will be blocked from editing. melonbarmonster 05:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
You provided no references and you know it. You tried to delete Turnbull. You fraudulently referenced Park. And you think by talking about your own interpretations on facts from these sources that your "provided several references"??? You would have lost your job, failed your class for something like this in the real world btw. And yet you claim you provided "several" references! Holy moly, what incredible dishonesty. Dude, come on, let's at least try to keep a modicum of self-respect in our dialogue. melonbarmonster 07:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey LactoseTI. Would you like to confirm your identity as a professor? If not, nothing to worry about. Just wondering. ( Wikimachine 23:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC))
Hello Lactose and thank you for contacting me. The closure of that move proposal was a tough decision and I was expecting some complaints. I usually determine consensus when at least 70-75% of the participants share a common stance. Of course, this is not a strict rule as I also ponder the arguments of both sides. In this discussion, I found reasonable arguments on both sides, and not enough agreement to deem it a consensus to move. Best regards, Hús ö nd 18:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say it, but the article you found is actually a far more egregious case of canvassing than the Chosun Ilbo article (that article at least presented itself as a simple account of the dispute). This one contains sentences like "please take an interest" and "the day after tomorrow will be too late." It also includes the usual stock defense for meatpuppetry and the like, namely "the Chinese and Japanese are doing it already." -- Visviva 13:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
" I doubt that the article will be moved back, but feel free to present information about meat/sockpuppeting on the Liancourt Rocks side" Husond said, and you aren't going to stop me. Also see user talk:Philip Baird Shearer. ( Wikimachine 23:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
Hi LactoseIT, recently I found your edit [7], which I think problematic. You care about deleting Imjin war but not care about correcting Hideyoshi's ... to Japanese ...? I know Hideyoushi's is your pet name but the wars were titled Japanese invasions of Korea as you all too well know. You quite frequently do so called better wording but if you're not interested to be impartial doing so it is dangerous, especially you act as police here (as you advertise on your main page). If you're so sloppy on your pet names but strictly to others, usually Korea originated or related, your good faith is questioned and your edits are, too. Be more watchful next time. Ginnre 15:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Please stop wikistalking and shadowing my edits. If you continue, you will be reported and blocked from editing Wikipedia. melonbarmonster 04:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I seriously feel that you are going way too far with this. I haven't done anything blatently wrong and for the latest report you have filed against me, its not even a true violation. I mentioned in the noticeboard that none of this edits were in bad faith and I had good enough reason to do so. Responding to Komdori, I started a new thread to discuss about the map.
Stop doing this to me, I've had enough of getting blocked and I feel that you are doing this only in your own amusement of getting me blocked because you are starting to pick on every little edit that I'm doing. It makes me angry that you have this negative attitude towards me. STOP IT.
I've had enough of you and your sarcastic comments and attitude towards me, and I'm not going to put up with this anymore. Please stop.
Have a nice day, Lactose. Good friend100 03:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your excellent compromise. I strongly disagree with you about Post-Docs, but that point is moot now. I regret that my edit summaries are sometimes snarky. I suspect that I upset you ("you're dead wrong") but that was not my purpose or intention. Happy editing ^^ Mumun 無文 13:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jiejunkong. ( Wikimachine 03:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC))
Stop following me all over wikipedia Every single edit I do, you go and revert it. Why don't you bury yourself in editing Japan-related articles instead of being anti-Korean in all your edits on Korean-related articles. Good friend100 21:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
You're one of the parties for this arbitration case that I'm filing. The link to the arbitration is at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Current_requests. ( Wikimachine 03:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC))
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 20:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed your edit in the article, and I think that it is the best result to this. To simply write "Japanese unconditional surrender" misguides readers. The fact is that Japan did not surrender unconditionally to Allies because of China alone, but due to combined Allied effort which China was part of.
I feel that Mibovosky doesn't agree with this and he can cause some trouble. His argument that "this is about a war between CHINA and japan" is not valid at all, as the Second Sino-Japanese War became part of the combined Allied effort in Asia-Pacific to defeat Japan. I do not deny China's contribution to victory over Japan, not at all - but by simply writing "Japanese unconditional surrender" is misguiding as the keyword Allies is not mentioned (for example, how much of Japan's merchant navy did China destroy, or how much of the Imperial Japanese Navy did China destroy? The fact that countries other than China essentially defeated these, which in turn was important part of Japan's way to defeat agains't the Allies, is reason enough to mention the Allies). Perhaps we can together do something about this?
The "Japanese unconditional surrender" version is not helped by the fact that China is the only Allied combatant listed, (for one) even though the United States operated an air fleet in China against the Japanese (14th Air Force). Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 03:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I was right - he would not agree with the edits (including the inclusion of the United States as one of the combatants, which she was from July 1942). Take a look at the article's recent history. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 22:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
We really need to do something about this. He continously reverts my legimate edits and accuses me of "americentrism". He says "US contributions in china are part of the chinese" The United States' involvement in China was part of Chinese war effort until July 1942 as the Flying Tigers was not official United States military unit. After that official United States Army Air Forces unit, 23rd Fighter Group took over the Flying Tigers role. In March 1943 this was increased to 14th Air Force. This is explained in notes right below the infobox, yet her persists.
Not only that, none of his excuses explain why he removed the Japanese puppet states of Manchukuo, Mengjiang and the Wang Jingwei Government from the infobox on Japan's side. They provided significant number of troops to support Japanese (an example of similiar case; Croatia and Slovakia are listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29 article's infobox) We have to do something about this. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 23:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
"Don't be blaming me for your failure to communicate." Spare me from hypocrisy. You are ignoring facts - the United States' involvement in the war as combatant per official United States military units, troops provided by Wang Jingwei Government along with Mengjiang and Manchukuo to support Japanese ect. "if you have an issue with me and my edits, you should confront me instead of running to someone else for support" I do not have issues with anyone and this particular was worried about the same thing as I am. -- Kurt Leyman 23:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now provided a source for the United States' involvement in the war and the source which gives number of Chinese troops fighting for Japanese (which has been there all the time, yet he still chose to remove) only supports the inclusion of Wang Jingwei Government, Mengjiang and Manchukuo. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 23:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I guess you were wrong - he did it again using "justification": "undue weight given to US involvement. 14th air force accounts for less than 0.5% of total strength by number". I suggest that he takes a look at Continuation War article. Regards, --
Kurt Leyman 23:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"Sourced information that are irrelevant should be removed nevertheless." PoV. "American airmen in China destroyed and damaged more than 4,000 Japanese aircraft during the war. They also sank more than a million tons of shipping and destroyed hundreds of locomotives, trucks, and bridges while helping to defeat the Japanese in China" Your "americentrism" doesn't help you. -- Kurt Leyman 23:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"multiply that by five hundred and that's the number of locomotives, trucks and bridges that the CHINESE destroyed" I have never claimed the opposite. "If you want to put two things side by side, they have to be at least on roughly the same level" PoV, there is no such policy. The information stands. There are several wars and battles (which happen to have articles in Wikipedia too) in which countries other the main combatants were involved but played much smaller role than the primary combatants, yet they are still listed. That is called factuality. "The amount of manpower, effort and contributions that China and the US put in to prosecute the Second Sino-Japanese War is simply not comparable." And who has said the opposite? No one. "putting it in the infobox as if US contributions are on par with Chinese contributions is undue weight" Nothing suggests such - there is a very good reason for notes below the infobox, and the rest is PoV. There is no policy which would demand a country which was involved in war/battle to have contributed as much to it as the other combatant/s so that it can be listed in infobox. -- Kurt Leyman 00:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
"Is it not implied?" No, nothing suggests that the United States contributed as much as China. "Listing the US in the infobox implies it contributed enough in the war to be listed alongside China" Which she did - over one million tons of Japanese shipping sunk (20% of what American submarines sank during the entire war) and more than 4,000 Japanese aircraft destroyed and damaged among other achievements are hardly insignificant achievements from this air force. "which you have conceded is not the case." No, I have only said that the United States did not contribute as much to the war as China as no policy requires such despite what you suggest in your PoV. And if you want to include the countries you mentioned then go ahead. Be sure to provide cituations and notes. -- Kurt Leyman 04:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
speaking of grammer, something went wrong at Kimchi in my edits
and I can't find it. Its about the sentence saying that Kimchi causes cancer. You can fix that.
And I'm a native speaker, I was born in the US. Simply because I'm Korean doesn't mean that I'm labeled off as a non-native. Speaking of natives, you might as well leave a comment to Opp2 about ravaging Liancourt Rocks as he's sweating it out trying to explain how the rocks aren't Korean with non-native english. Good friend100 22:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Lactose, we can disagree but please don't engage in revert warring. Thanks. melonbarmonster 00:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Korean cuisine. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Walton One 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of indicating that the Japanese "administration" over the Liancourt rocks extend to a claim to administrative rights only? The way it is now it's no wonder that Korean editors get upset over it (esp. with Japan being mentioned first) Phonemonkey 17:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. I've blocked both Wikimachine and you for edit-warring on those Korean "terrorist" pages, An Jung-geun and Yoon Bong-Gil. Wikimachine clearly broke 3RR, you stayed just below it, but it was still clearly disruptive edit-warring and you should know better than that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[8] link showing my commitment not to continue reverting on that article. {unblock|I realized the reverts were going nowhere, though I thought I was reintroducing sourced content and made comments to this effect. When it became clear the other user was edit warring, I stopped--before being blocked, already declaring my intent not to participate in this reverting (see the above diff). Perhaps you had missed my saying this, I'm not sure. I would appreciate being unblocked, as I clearly had no intention to continue the edit warring and blocks shouldn't be used punitively. As a show of good faith, I will additionally not edit those articles for the next 24 hours (upon pain of immediate reblocking) if such a condition would help. I might also add my last edit regarding the disputed content was many hours ago; my recent edit was totally unrelated (and clearly uncontroversial) though perhaps you believed it was a revert since my name was there.}
You wrote on the Tokto/Takeshima discussion page that:
<< For the record, Japan actually does actively believe it physically administers it and treats the Koreans as "guests." They regularly exercise their "right" to enter the territorial waters and perform studies, surveys, do physical work, and so on. It is not simply paperwork. >>
I'm asking as a point of information, when has Japan recently entered the territorial waters of Tokto/Takeshima? Per several agreements, Japan and Korea enter each other's declared EECs, but that's not the same as territorial waters.
I'm not asking this as a form of argumentation, but out of genuine curiosity.
Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.254.68 ( talk) 18:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
the Ninth Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names elected to retain the title of the body of water as "Sea of Japan". <<?
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Now I get why you even added the "no source" tag on the Japanese maps because I didn't fully attention to the each captions on them. Images with only website info would not strictly fit to wiki standards. But the old maps are {{PD-old}}, {{PD-art}}, so if I or others find out compatible sources with the images on which you tagged, you couldn't object to my removing "no source tag" from them. Because original uploaders at such the websites might've uploaded scanned images, if I couldn't find exact matches to them, lower quality images with related descriptions at confirmed websites are usable like this. Image:Hachidou2.jpg. Take care. -- Appletrees 21:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I invite you to take part in the discussion on the supposed Iron Cladding of the turtle ships at Talk:Turtle ship#Pros and Cons (Part II, if you like). Unfortunately, user melanbarmonster has made some unilateral edits which make the iron cladding look like a fact. Regards Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 12:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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i appreciate the notice. Good friend100 02:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, looking at the source for that image now, I'm surprised that I uploaded it because it is difficult to determine if the image is free of licensing issues. Japanese copyright law is "death+50." However, even though that picture was taken in 1935, it's unknown when and if the author of the picture died. I think, instead, the licensing should be marked under "fair use," like Image:Slayers.jpg. If fair use can't be justified, then the image should be deleted. Cla68 13:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for leaving me a note on my discussion page. Although i respect your position about fair use images, i disagree with you.
As those images represents paintings which may help a casual reader to understand the nature of this conflict and the are indeed photos which are likely to be public sector owned (potential canditate for public domain).Being part of the Korean navy As stated on this source at the bottom of the page-Korean Naval Academy ( state entity and would-if requested-qualify as public domain) . It seems that the original artists made these paintings during the late 1970s for Korean history books and for promoting korean history during Park Chung Hee's era (to "Yonsei University Press").(Further details on comments).
These paintings represents an artistic description of a series of iconic battles that affected East Asia during the 16th century, stated that, it would be appropiate that if "graphic material" is available and used with precaution and not abuse would adecuately qualify to Wikipedia fair use doctrine.
And, if you still dont think so, why don't invite, Korean folk's to post their oppinions, about if this image should be eliminated or not. They have their point of view more that has to be considered, and it is likely that their's is more accurate than mine. Perhaps they should give a better judgement about this issue. -- HappyApple 03:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i have read your response that you have left me on my discussion page, below my impressions: I am aware that Wikipedia is not a democracy but it is also true that each editor has the right to post their impressions on whether the deletion is accurate or not. And the tag at the bottom of each image speficies this very well.
Dont forget the deletion will not be done by a casual wikipedian, it will be done by an administrator, which i hope he or she would be fairly neutral on this issue.
I have already stated my position about the deletion, i don't think it is fair nor accurate, to me, as a casual reader, it really helped me to understand how this conflict developed and i think it will have the same effect on newer readers. (An image worth more than a thousand words), i am already aware how it works fair use, i have experienced simmilar cases before and i belive this case in particular can be considered a little bit out of the line.
I think if fair use can be claimed for each painting as they dont seem to abuse of fair use itself and they actually help as a graphic description for each battle.
As i said on "speedied" , while i respect your possition, i disagree. (Reasons already given).
About Hwacha images, unfortunatelly i havent received any response nor from Angelo Toscano (the creator of the image of Hwacha standing at the Palace) or from Andy "-Timur Lamed-" (the creator of Hwacha firing arrows), it is likely that if i dont receive their response on this week, the images will be deleted. It will be sad, and hardly to admit that copyright policy on Wikipedia can be very awful sometimes, unfortuntally there is nothing else what i can do for trying to save these images, just waiting.-- HappyApple 06:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on Dokdo and other Japan/Korea-related articles. Although I reverted one of your edits on Dokdo earlier, I just want to say that I think you're doing good work and I really appreciate that you're aiming to make good articles, not just to represent any one POV. Keep up the good work! -- Reuben 20:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't my vandalism. :) Soulresin 01:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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Here are the test templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TestTemplates. Put the appropriate test template on his page immediately following problematic behaviour. Start at the lower levels and walk them through. After a final warning, report him at vandalism in progress. If he does something really bad, skip a level. But I'm not going to block someone who doesn't have a "final warning" template on their page that is more than a day old. Buck ets ofg✐ 04:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Why do you say I deleted your warning? It was your allegedly welcome notice. I didn't delete your warning. It was basically the same welcome notice I had already, that's why I deleted your Welcome notice. I let stay your writing about Dokdo on my user page. Are you trying to put a bad image on me? Please change the title you put in my user page. Ginnre 19:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, I didn't delete your warning. Your welcome message didn't have any indication that that was warning. So I asked you to change what you have written on my page. It's just not right. Ginnre 20:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! This is Wikimachine. Upon your notice, I replied to you at the possibly unfree images section. Could you take a look at it? ( Wikimachine 15:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC))
I don't see the sentiment you mentioned. Where is it? "that sentiment is already present just a few words later (redundant))". I think my edit won't harm the article that much to be deleted. If you want to keep the article so concise, why do you keep, for example, current situation section as-is? The subway exhibition paragraph is more than redundent or too in detail. It looks like in general you are too benevolent for Japanese favorable edit and too strict for Korean fovorable edit. Ginnre 00:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't violate neutral point of view. I wrote that based on the following reference. read this: [1] [2] I think you are benevolent for Japanese favorable edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.213.247.53 ( talk • contribs) 00:35, August 15, 2006
Would you please ask me before you modify my edit? You keep change my edit first and I keep asking to change again. Why should this be like this? The link [3] comes entirely from Japanese source. Acutally the article is the same as one posted in Kyodo news. I don't know Komdori's intention to cite an Indonesian source, but it's misleading. And I checked Korean source about the meeting and the Korean sentiment was different. They would hear what Japanese propose and would keep the discussion channel, but their policy didn't change significantly. And it is not yet determined whether to establish that kind of procedure [4]. I don't know whether you can read Korean, but I couldn't find an english page. And it is confusing to use 'the disputed area' because they only mentioned and discussed about EEZs, not about the islands. So this edit could be easily misleading and need to be modified. Ginnre 01:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for warning me about the edit, but it wasn't me who wrote that segment originally, so I won't insist that that is what should be there. I have to say this latest name change stirred up quite a storm though! I still wonder if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Perhaps all the activity will prove to be a good thing in the end. Rōnin 02:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Some people seem to have an axe to grind on this page. Honestly I don't think there is anything we can do but continue reverts which undermine NPOV in the article. — Aiden 04:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, i've noticed you tagged Image:HwachaAttack.jpg as copyright infringement. I uploaded the image to explain the portrayal of hwacha in games and to be used in Civilization III Play the World. I also noticed the size of the image was larger to be considered fair use so i scaled to a minimum size the image to be fair use tolerable and also specified a fair use for the picture, and added details, i hope the recent modifications i did may have solved this problem.-- HappyApple 05:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, i've noticed you left a quick note in my discussion page, but before post my impressions, i want to say that all my personal messages to user:Goodfriend100 are only to him, not directly to you, i 'll see if he is willing to read the message and to feedback me as he can. So i was expecting a little bit more discression.
Here my further impressions:
Finally, i have not any intention to make this a dispute, in my oppinion, i think your patrolling range should be more wider instead focusing in only korean related articles (which of course this is a suggestion). As feedback i hope this message can extinguish any flames which may have been produced so far, cheers. -- HappyApple 08:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
The editor who keeps reverting the Mas Oyama article is one of several POV pushers on Wikipedia who appear to have chips on their shoulders the size of Seoraksan mountain. They're very persistant, stubborn, and immature in the way they operate. Thus, I choose not to waste my time edit warring with them. They don't seem to understand that they undermine their credibility with their behavior. I plan on eventually making other improvements to the article that hopefully will be left alone. Cla68 08:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
hey fantastic..my english could be better so correct any problem you see. Thanks :) I leave that for today. bye!
Totally understandable about deleting the article if you wish. I was just adding something that might be real, might not. who knows? :) I was thinking if it's on Wiki, more people might be able to put more info on this, and find out if it's a hoax or reality.
no worries mate. :) we'll see what happens. After this weekend, it'll either be on CNN or in the garbage.
You are engaging in an edit war over his user talk page. Please do not interact with Taeguk Warrior at all as it is very clear that the two of you do not get along in the least. You are only pouring gasoline on the fire. Thank you for your cooperation. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 06:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:Navalzhugenu.jpg Liang does not respond and I have no access to this book in considerable time. Can you look it up please? Wandalstouring 10:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
If you want to know why, I talk about why I am removing game references on my user page. It is mainly because I think such references are not relevant to most articles and really are just plugs for these games. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 13:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
But I think games in general should not be refered to in most articles. So I disagree with the argument that games are already refered to in many articles and thus it is alright for the article in question to reference a game. Two or more wrongs does not make a right and I think game references in the article in question and many other articles is wrong. The game's own article should reference this article and any other article. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 15:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Such discussions rarely make it to the right talk page. :p Anyways, right now I am taking a concensus poll on Talk:Hwacha and I want you to come vote. The concensus unofficially is 4 for keep and 6 for delete. If it is officially that, then the other used cannot complain. -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 08:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
How am I suppose to fix the images? The wallpaper image was emailed to me from the owner. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WildWorks ( talk • contribs) 09:47, August 19, 2006 (UTC) —
Can you come over to the village pump and give me your opinion? Village pump
I think the chances of this gathering strong support without past cases is fairly low. Maybe you can help me provide a few cases where pop cult sections were removed for the betterment of the article. Right now, Terracotta Army has a largish section with references to games that I think are irrelevant and are fancruft. Another user disagrees with me and refuses to allow it to be removed. Can you help me argue for the sections removal? -- Orbit One Talk| Babel 12:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The only content I removed was your false and uncited information on the Mas Oyama article. That is not vandalism. 72.69.105.138 00:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Could you answer the arguments directly one by one? They are outlined. Thanks. (
Wikimachine 15:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)) P.S. Please don't conspire with JPOV administrators behind the scene. And by revert war, I meant you guys were going to initiate it by responding with edits, not words.
Now I've proved to you that English only pages on Google have more Imjin War than your variations. Also on Google Scholar. Only place you hold edge is on Google Book. And you haven't answered why Google Book shouldn't be used. ( Wikimachine 15:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC))
Please stop using weasel words or I will have you blocked. You keep switching the Seven year war/Japanese invasion/Imjin war article to misdirect it in a certain way. The scorched earth was an incident that happened one time do to civilian uprising. It was not a campaign or military policy. Please do not put in your POV with out references to back it up. -- Tyler 05:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned, nothing more is needed. However, if you have started a process and can get the original source info without to much problem you should. There may be someone in the future that challenges what you have now. Regards - Nv8200p talk 14:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Could you show me what your signature looks like unconverted? KiteString 19:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch for letting me use your code. I picked up on the language quickly. Theres a history of changes on my talk page ^^ = Kite String= 03:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Who gave you the right to delete contents in my page? It looks like you can read Japanese. Then what do you think of 原則的に自由です? It's 'in principal it's up to your will" and I did so. Is it still not public? Bring me another reference that it is copyright protected. Don't emphasize the latter part. I'll revert when you don't bring the sources. Ginnre 20:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope you are not being sarcastic. Good friend100 02:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your friendly advice. I'll just delete it. ( Wikimachine 02:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC))
I repeatedly asked you to answer my question before you take action. Nonetheless you ignord my request and intepreted only in your way and put warning on my page. I'm just surprised how you become a patroller while you act this way. That 2ch page is copyright protected is your interpetation only. You don't understand what 自由 means? To use the text in 2ch.net is 自由 in the first place. Even though they were copyrighted, they can be used as fair use as they said it is 自由 to use it in the first place. What's problem with you? I don't understand why are you so strict on my usage of that page up to the point of paranoia. I ask you again to remove your warning as your repeated attempt to remove the page is unjustified. Ginnre 04:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
I give this barnstar to LactoseTI for his endless input and contributions on Korea/Japan related articles. = Kite String= 19:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC) |
ALthough your viewpoints are different from mine, I respect you as a dilligent editor who is able to keep his temper well on talk pages and give help on miscellaneous matters as well. = Kite String= 19:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There are a few users fighting between two versions of the Korea article, both of which have some severe POV problems. I'm not sure why you chose to join the edit war in favor of one of them here; in many ways the other one was less problematic. This version actively tries to justify or downplay anything negative about the Japanese occupation of Korea, even to the point of making the rather severely POV judgement call that Korea was better off under Japanese control. Also, I'm a bit disappointed that in this edit war, the editor pushing Korean POV has been repeatedly warned and even temporarily blocked, without any apparent recognition that the version he's been reverting is (at least) equally bad. -- Reuben 15:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean by unconfirmed website?
The website is for Korean students to learn about Korean history (even I used to use it), and it is a nice educational site.
None of the other editors disagree with my uploads, I don't understand why these pictures are such a pain to you and others.
First, you want a copyright, so I posted a copyright.
Then you wanted a site from where I got the image, so I posted that.
And now, theres a tag up there saying that this image is "from an unconfirmed website".
So then, if I post a "confirmed website" what will you pick on then?
The copyright is invalid because it isn't a "historical battle" because it was drawn by the Koreans so its POV?
Or lets say the image is invalid because the confirmed website is Korean so that makes it POV?
What other ways are there to curb the images? Throw them all at me at once so I can work my way through them at once, instead of throwing a roadblock one at a time. Good friend100 12:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Pleae don't vandalize good faith edits and leave fradulent warnings on my talk page. I'm more than willing to reasonably discuss and compromise but not if you're going to lie or make fraudulent claims. melonbarmonster 21:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"We are allowed to use books on wikipedia"
Then what is with deleting some points I wrote down in the Pros/Cons section? I clearly gave a reference and I am having the impression that it is being rejected and deleted for no clear reason by the editors who support that the turtle ship never had any iron on it. Good friend100 02:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I wasn't necessarily pointing at you, my bad. Good friend100 03:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I've read everything in the talk page and have checked all the sources. What evidence do you have that turtle ship may not have had iron cladding? What reference, article are you using to claim this? I've tracked down ALL the references and NO reference states this. You're violating WP:A by persisting in your reverts. Give me a decent, reasonable response if you can. melonbarmonster 04:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a final call for references and sources. So if you have anything that mentions any controversy or doubts about iron cladding, please give them. My guess is that you have none and that you were being deceitful and disruptive but you're welcome to prove me wrong by providing some references. melonbarmonster 19:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. — melonbarmonster 04:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Making edits like this are contrary to good faith. Then lying to me and other editors about having provided references doesn't foster good faith.— melonbarmonster 05:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia as you did http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ATurtle_ship&diff=128849617&oldid=128849427, you will be blocked from editing. melonbarmonster 05:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
You provided no references and you know it. You tried to delete Turnbull. You fraudulently referenced Park. And you think by talking about your own interpretations on facts from these sources that your "provided several references"??? You would have lost your job, failed your class for something like this in the real world btw. And yet you claim you provided "several" references! Holy moly, what incredible dishonesty. Dude, come on, let's at least try to keep a modicum of self-respect in our dialogue. melonbarmonster 07:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey LactoseTI. Would you like to confirm your identity as a professor? If not, nothing to worry about. Just wondering. ( Wikimachine 23:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC))
Hello Lactose and thank you for contacting me. The closure of that move proposal was a tough decision and I was expecting some complaints. I usually determine consensus when at least 70-75% of the participants share a common stance. Of course, this is not a strict rule as I also ponder the arguments of both sides. In this discussion, I found reasonable arguments on both sides, and not enough agreement to deem it a consensus to move. Best regards, Hús ö nd 18:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say it, but the article you found is actually a far more egregious case of canvassing than the Chosun Ilbo article (that article at least presented itself as a simple account of the dispute). This one contains sentences like "please take an interest" and "the day after tomorrow will be too late." It also includes the usual stock defense for meatpuppetry and the like, namely "the Chinese and Japanese are doing it already." -- Visviva 13:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
" I doubt that the article will be moved back, but feel free to present information about meat/sockpuppeting on the Liancourt Rocks side" Husond said, and you aren't going to stop me. Also see user talk:Philip Baird Shearer. ( Wikimachine 23:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
Hi LactoseIT, recently I found your edit [7], which I think problematic. You care about deleting Imjin war but not care about correcting Hideyoshi's ... to Japanese ...? I know Hideyoushi's is your pet name but the wars were titled Japanese invasions of Korea as you all too well know. You quite frequently do so called better wording but if you're not interested to be impartial doing so it is dangerous, especially you act as police here (as you advertise on your main page). If you're so sloppy on your pet names but strictly to others, usually Korea originated or related, your good faith is questioned and your edits are, too. Be more watchful next time. Ginnre 15:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Please stop wikistalking and shadowing my edits. If you continue, you will be reported and blocked from editing Wikipedia. melonbarmonster 04:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I seriously feel that you are going way too far with this. I haven't done anything blatently wrong and for the latest report you have filed against me, its not even a true violation. I mentioned in the noticeboard that none of this edits were in bad faith and I had good enough reason to do so. Responding to Komdori, I started a new thread to discuss about the map.
Stop doing this to me, I've had enough of getting blocked and I feel that you are doing this only in your own amusement of getting me blocked because you are starting to pick on every little edit that I'm doing. It makes me angry that you have this negative attitude towards me. STOP IT.
I've had enough of you and your sarcastic comments and attitude towards me, and I'm not going to put up with this anymore. Please stop.
Have a nice day, Lactose. Good friend100 03:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your excellent compromise. I strongly disagree with you about Post-Docs, but that point is moot now. I regret that my edit summaries are sometimes snarky. I suspect that I upset you ("you're dead wrong") but that was not my purpose or intention. Happy editing ^^ Mumun 無文 13:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jiejunkong. ( Wikimachine 03:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC))
Stop following me all over wikipedia Every single edit I do, you go and revert it. Why don't you bury yourself in editing Japan-related articles instead of being anti-Korean in all your edits on Korean-related articles. Good friend100 21:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
You're one of the parties for this arbitration case that I'm filing. The link to the arbitration is at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Current_requests. ( Wikimachine 03:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC))
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 20:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed your edit in the article, and I think that it is the best result to this. To simply write "Japanese unconditional surrender" misguides readers. The fact is that Japan did not surrender unconditionally to Allies because of China alone, but due to combined Allied effort which China was part of.
I feel that Mibovosky doesn't agree with this and he can cause some trouble. His argument that "this is about a war between CHINA and japan" is not valid at all, as the Second Sino-Japanese War became part of the combined Allied effort in Asia-Pacific to defeat Japan. I do not deny China's contribution to victory over Japan, not at all - but by simply writing "Japanese unconditional surrender" is misguiding as the keyword Allies is not mentioned (for example, how much of Japan's merchant navy did China destroy, or how much of the Imperial Japanese Navy did China destroy? The fact that countries other than China essentially defeated these, which in turn was important part of Japan's way to defeat agains't the Allies, is reason enough to mention the Allies). Perhaps we can together do something about this?
The "Japanese unconditional surrender" version is not helped by the fact that China is the only Allied combatant listed, (for one) even though the United States operated an air fleet in China against the Japanese (14th Air Force). Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 03:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I was right - he would not agree with the edits (including the inclusion of the United States as one of the combatants, which she was from July 1942). Take a look at the article's recent history. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 22:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
We really need to do something about this. He continously reverts my legimate edits and accuses me of "americentrism". He says "US contributions in china are part of the chinese" The United States' involvement in China was part of Chinese war effort until July 1942 as the Flying Tigers was not official United States military unit. After that official United States Army Air Forces unit, 23rd Fighter Group took over the Flying Tigers role. In March 1943 this was increased to 14th Air Force. This is explained in notes right below the infobox, yet her persists.
Not only that, none of his excuses explain why he removed the Japanese puppet states of Manchukuo, Mengjiang and the Wang Jingwei Government from the infobox on Japan's side. They provided significant number of troops to support Japanese (an example of similiar case; Croatia and Slovakia are listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29 article's infobox) We have to do something about this. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 23:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
"Don't be blaming me for your failure to communicate." Spare me from hypocrisy. You are ignoring facts - the United States' involvement in the war as combatant per official United States military units, troops provided by Wang Jingwei Government along with Mengjiang and Manchukuo to support Japanese ect. "if you have an issue with me and my edits, you should confront me instead of running to someone else for support" I do not have issues with anyone and this particular was worried about the same thing as I am. -- Kurt Leyman 23:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now provided a source for the United States' involvement in the war and the source which gives number of Chinese troops fighting for Japanese (which has been there all the time, yet he still chose to remove) only supports the inclusion of Wang Jingwei Government, Mengjiang and Manchukuo. Regards, -- Kurt Leyman 23:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I guess you were wrong - he did it again using "justification": "undue weight given to US involvement. 14th air force accounts for less than 0.5% of total strength by number". I suggest that he takes a look at Continuation War article. Regards, --
Kurt Leyman 23:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"Sourced information that are irrelevant should be removed nevertheless." PoV. "American airmen in China destroyed and damaged more than 4,000 Japanese aircraft during the war. They also sank more than a million tons of shipping and destroyed hundreds of locomotives, trucks, and bridges while helping to defeat the Japanese in China" Your "americentrism" doesn't help you. -- Kurt Leyman 23:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
"multiply that by five hundred and that's the number of locomotives, trucks and bridges that the CHINESE destroyed" I have never claimed the opposite. "If you want to put two things side by side, they have to be at least on roughly the same level" PoV, there is no such policy. The information stands. There are several wars and battles (which happen to have articles in Wikipedia too) in which countries other the main combatants were involved but played much smaller role than the primary combatants, yet they are still listed. That is called factuality. "The amount of manpower, effort and contributions that China and the US put in to prosecute the Second Sino-Japanese War is simply not comparable." And who has said the opposite? No one. "putting it in the infobox as if US contributions are on par with Chinese contributions is undue weight" Nothing suggests such - there is a very good reason for notes below the infobox, and the rest is PoV. There is no policy which would demand a country which was involved in war/battle to have contributed as much to it as the other combatant/s so that it can be listed in infobox. -- Kurt Leyman 00:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
"Is it not implied?" No, nothing suggests that the United States contributed as much as China. "Listing the US in the infobox implies it contributed enough in the war to be listed alongside China" Which she did - over one million tons of Japanese shipping sunk (20% of what American submarines sank during the entire war) and more than 4,000 Japanese aircraft destroyed and damaged among other achievements are hardly insignificant achievements from this air force. "which you have conceded is not the case." No, I have only said that the United States did not contribute as much to the war as China as no policy requires such despite what you suggest in your PoV. And if you want to include the countries you mentioned then go ahead. Be sure to provide cituations and notes. -- Kurt Leyman 04:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
speaking of grammer, something went wrong at Kimchi in my edits
and I can't find it. Its about the sentence saying that Kimchi causes cancer. You can fix that.
And I'm a native speaker, I was born in the US. Simply because I'm Korean doesn't mean that I'm labeled off as a non-native. Speaking of natives, you might as well leave a comment to Opp2 about ravaging Liancourt Rocks as he's sweating it out trying to explain how the rocks aren't Korean with non-native english. Good friend100 22:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Lactose, we can disagree but please don't engage in revert warring. Thanks. melonbarmonster 00:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Korean cuisine. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Walton One 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of indicating that the Japanese "administration" over the Liancourt rocks extend to a claim to administrative rights only? The way it is now it's no wonder that Korean editors get upset over it (esp. with Japan being mentioned first) Phonemonkey 17:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. I've blocked both Wikimachine and you for edit-warring on those Korean "terrorist" pages, An Jung-geun and Yoon Bong-Gil. Wikimachine clearly broke 3RR, you stayed just below it, but it was still clearly disruptive edit-warring and you should know better than that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[8] link showing my commitment not to continue reverting on that article. {unblock|I realized the reverts were going nowhere, though I thought I was reintroducing sourced content and made comments to this effect. When it became clear the other user was edit warring, I stopped--before being blocked, already declaring my intent not to participate in this reverting (see the above diff). Perhaps you had missed my saying this, I'm not sure. I would appreciate being unblocked, as I clearly had no intention to continue the edit warring and blocks shouldn't be used punitively. As a show of good faith, I will additionally not edit those articles for the next 24 hours (upon pain of immediate reblocking) if such a condition would help. I might also add my last edit regarding the disputed content was many hours ago; my recent edit was totally unrelated (and clearly uncontroversial) though perhaps you believed it was a revert since my name was there.}
You wrote on the Tokto/Takeshima discussion page that:
<< For the record, Japan actually does actively believe it physically administers it and treats the Koreans as "guests." They regularly exercise their "right" to enter the territorial waters and perform studies, surveys, do physical work, and so on. It is not simply paperwork. >>
I'm asking as a point of information, when has Japan recently entered the territorial waters of Tokto/Takeshima? Per several agreements, Japan and Korea enter each other's declared EECs, but that's not the same as territorial waters.
I'm not asking this as a form of argumentation, but out of genuine curiosity.
Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.254.68 ( talk) 18:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
the Ninth Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names elected to retain the title of the body of water as "Sea of Japan". <<?
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Now I get why you even added the "no source" tag on the Japanese maps because I didn't fully attention to the each captions on them. Images with only website info would not strictly fit to wiki standards. But the old maps are {{PD-old}}, {{PD-art}}, so if I or others find out compatible sources with the images on which you tagged, you couldn't object to my removing "no source tag" from them. Because original uploaders at such the websites might've uploaded scanned images, if I couldn't find exact matches to them, lower quality images with related descriptions at confirmed websites are usable like this. Image:Hachidou2.jpg. Take care. -- Appletrees 21:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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