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Sorry, I've been trying to welcome everyone who joins the IB debate here. It's not my job or anything but when I arrived they posted me the above text and I thought it was good, so why not pass it on? Anyway, better late than never?
Do you have a different username elsewhere? You're entitled to as much anonymity as you want of course, but I don't think the cloak-and-dagger stuff helps.
Best wishes
Ewen ( talk) 21:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ewen, Thanks for the warm welcome. I am new to wiki and not very experienced with this type of forum in general, so I appreciate any advice you can give me. Do not hesitate to correct me if I make an faux pas or breaches of wiki etiquette. There seems to be a lot more rules here than other sites, but it also helps to keep the discourse civil. I will check out the tutorials. La mome ( talk) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I was just curious why you thought we couldn't cite an IB publication in an IB related article? After all, the IB web site is a publication isn't it and that has been liberally cited! -- Candy ( talk) 05:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to think of another of another example.
I am a member of a genealogical forum and research site called ancestry.com. You can only get access by subscription. The materials specifically made for the website are copyright. I'm certain I would break the copyright if I freely distributed them without permission. However, I wouldn't break copyright if I discussed the content on a blog or in chat. I would also be able to quote some short extracts ad verbatim (which may need to be improved on the Diploma Site as I haven't done that clearly). I assume this is the same thing for the OCC and see no reason why not.
I suspect that the reason that the OCC is password protected is not only to prevent the free distribution of intellectual property but that there are numerous private forums, vodcasts as well as exemplars of marked work and chat rooms. Any professional organisation needs a space where they can work privately for improving their working practices. It would also be most inappropriate to refer to any of these areas as they would be extemely difficult for anyone to verify and would be extremely difficult to put into context or be certain of the authority (especially in forums for example). I believe the guides are a different issue as there are tens of thousands of individuals who could verify the contents independently. Besides, the printed documents are are not password protected.
I also know that there are copies available (either mistakenly or deliberately) online which violate copyright. Linking to these would be inappropriate also (as you were hinting at) at least to my mind as it is encouraging the illegal access of copyrighted material.
All I have done as a long-term editor of WP is to work as I have done on dozens of sites, learned from my peers, read the guidelines and try to act in good faith and in a manner that I feel is reasonable. This doesn't make my actions correct nor my advice but I do feel that I am likely to be working in a decent and fair way within the copyright rules.
Thanks for your timely response. -- Candy ( talk) 12:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I personally would rather stay out of it, but you could go to an admin to help make sure things are dealt with neutrally. Good luck and happy editing. :) - Warthog Demon 02:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
D'oh! Thanks for the correction! Regards, CinchBug | Talk 01:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, La mome! Any thoughts about how to proceed with improvements to Group 2?
Just wanted to check in with you and see if you're doing okay. Haven't heard much from you recently. Regards, CinchBug | Talk 01:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
You accidentally created your sandbox in the mainspace. When creating subpages, don't forget to add the "user:" prefix before your username. I have moved your sandbox to user:La mome/Sandbox. Best, Javért | Talk 12:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Replied here Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 01:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
How did you contact oversight? I've only had to talk to them once before, and they did respond (to an email). I'd be happy to email them on your behalf if necessary, but give me some background on how you contacted them first.
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The ref is formatted. Simply copy paste the formatted ref I added in at the end of the quotation between the ref tags. I can do it if you'd like. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Lol, La Mome! I thought that it would be a nice feather in your cap, as a lot of the experienced, long-term editors list the pages they've created on their Userpages. But, that's okay, I understand! ;) Great idea, though! He's far more deserving of a page here than a lot of people who already have their own articles, that's for sure. Regards, • Cinch Bug • 01:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi La mome,
Just so you know, I don't think I'll have much opportunity to be on-line today. As for the schools during the experimental stage in the IB DP article, I want to pull up the sources and re-read, but at this point I agree it's best to leave them out until we know what's what. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking I'll try to stay from IB if possible. But, the history section is still incomplete. It'd be worthwhile identifying how the IB grew after the exploratory period, into the seventies. Presumably some of that information is better on the main IB page, rather than the IB DP page. I'm currently busy with another article, but will be checking in. I do think the archiving has been very successful, don't you? Truthkeeper88 ( talk)
Do you think the list of people we've been adding for the history section that are referenced in Uncle G's sources should be added to the page called List of International Baccalaureate people? That's an easy and noncontroversial task. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 01:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome! I've rewritten the IB history section (again) based on ONY's comment about the discrepancy, which was valid. Rereading the sources it appears that Leach organised the 1962 conference for which he also wrote course materials; secured funding from Unesco; ISES was founded in 64/65 which was renamed the IB Council in late 67 and Goormaghtigh became pres. in 68. I've put the current version here in my IB sandbox to preserve. It may have been changed in the article by the time you get this message. I've used both Peterson and Fox as sources, and as you've also read those two books, I'd appreciate another set of eyes to check my work for inaccuracies. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Do you still want to go ahead with Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Style issues? If not, maybe remove it from the RFC list? - Pointillist ( talk) 23:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
La mome, please see the discussion at my Talk page. Thanks, • Cinch Bug • 21:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I've opened a thread at Talk:IB Diploma Programme#Issues of outing and COI to remind people about civility and bringing personal things into the discussion. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome. I don't feel ONY has got a leg to stand on as far I am concerned by accusing me like that. It's just a distraction from the editing. I'm just ignoring it. If other editors feel that it is true they will say so to me. Regards -- Candy ( talk) 19:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome,
Could you please visit my talk page, read and comment on my recent section about the IB Diploma Programme.
Many thanks, -- Candy ( talk) 21:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I understand the urge to leave and won't try to talk you out of it. But, consider a wikibreak instead. As for the heaving lifting, I believe Helloannyong was referring to adding content, which indeed is heavy lifting. I've filled out the history section and brought it into the 1980s. Peterson's book only shows the first 68 pages on google, so I'm done with that. I think the only thing I'd want to expand is the information about the experimental period and perhaps the examination pass rates during those years and how they mirror the pass rates of the present.
Anyway, thanks for the help in that section. I hope you continue to peek in and see how things are doing.
Also, I forgot to answer your question about how to find other articles to work on. I go to "community portal" under the search bar, then on the top right click the "help out" link which takes you to "fix up projects" and then click the "articles needing copy edit" link. That brings you to the list of thousands of articles to be copyedited. I browse the list and chose something that interests me and work on it, usually on my own! Take care, and check in occasionally. Cheers. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 20:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I owe you an apology for suggesting you were part of the problem. It's clear that anyone who tries to work with her for any period of time is frustrated again and again. She's an impossible case, stubborn and cynical. I see what Jimbo Wales meant about toxic personalities- half the reports on ANI are about flaming, harrassment, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith and general incivility. It makes me sick.
Anyway, sorry for my initial stance on the issue. ONY's indef blocked now, hope we can all get some peace. A little insignificant talk to me! (please!) 14:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the section to your sandbox. You beat me to it. Let's disengage and leave as is for now. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I started some clean-out on the IB Diploma article because we left it a mess. Of course, arguing over each sentence and word, does not help build a good article. I see the reversions have begun already which is unfortunate. I'd planned to have the article reviewed, not another edit war. Anyway, if you have time, maybe just keep an eye out. Also, any new information about the Diploma programme is always helpful. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 23:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
You are a co-writer of a good article! Who thought this would pass so quickly?
Here's an infobox to display on your page. If you ever drop in again, leave me a message. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 20:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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This is La mome's talk page, where you can send them messages and comments. |
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Hello, La mome, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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Sorry, I've been trying to welcome everyone who joins the IB debate here. It's not my job or anything but when I arrived they posted me the above text and I thought it was good, so why not pass it on? Anyway, better late than never?
Do you have a different username elsewhere? You're entitled to as much anonymity as you want of course, but I don't think the cloak-and-dagger stuff helps.
Best wishes
Ewen ( talk) 21:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ewen, Thanks for the warm welcome. I am new to wiki and not very experienced with this type of forum in general, so I appreciate any advice you can give me. Do not hesitate to correct me if I make an faux pas or breaches of wiki etiquette. There seems to be a lot more rules here than other sites, but it also helps to keep the discourse civil. I will check out the tutorials. La mome ( talk) 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I was just curious why you thought we couldn't cite an IB publication in an IB related article? After all, the IB web site is a publication isn't it and that has been liberally cited! -- Candy ( talk) 05:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying to think of another of another example.
I am a member of a genealogical forum and research site called ancestry.com. You can only get access by subscription. The materials specifically made for the website are copyright. I'm certain I would break the copyright if I freely distributed them without permission. However, I wouldn't break copyright if I discussed the content on a blog or in chat. I would also be able to quote some short extracts ad verbatim (which may need to be improved on the Diploma Site as I haven't done that clearly). I assume this is the same thing for the OCC and see no reason why not.
I suspect that the reason that the OCC is password protected is not only to prevent the free distribution of intellectual property but that there are numerous private forums, vodcasts as well as exemplars of marked work and chat rooms. Any professional organisation needs a space where they can work privately for improving their working practices. It would also be most inappropriate to refer to any of these areas as they would be extemely difficult for anyone to verify and would be extremely difficult to put into context or be certain of the authority (especially in forums for example). I believe the guides are a different issue as there are tens of thousands of individuals who could verify the contents independently. Besides, the printed documents are are not password protected.
I also know that there are copies available (either mistakenly or deliberately) online which violate copyright. Linking to these would be inappropriate also (as you were hinting at) at least to my mind as it is encouraging the illegal access of copyrighted material.
All I have done as a long-term editor of WP is to work as I have done on dozens of sites, learned from my peers, read the guidelines and try to act in good faith and in a manner that I feel is reasonable. This doesn't make my actions correct nor my advice but I do feel that I am likely to be working in a decent and fair way within the copyright rules.
Thanks for your timely response. -- Candy ( talk) 12:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I personally would rather stay out of it, but you could go to an admin to help make sure things are dealt with neutrally. Good luck and happy editing. :) - Warthog Demon 02:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
D'oh! Thanks for the correction! Regards, CinchBug | Talk 01:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, La mome! Any thoughts about how to proceed with improvements to Group 2?
Just wanted to check in with you and see if you're doing okay. Haven't heard much from you recently. Regards, CinchBug | Talk 01:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
You accidentally created your sandbox in the mainspace. When creating subpages, don't forget to add the "user:" prefix before your username. I have moved your sandbox to user:La mome/Sandbox. Best, Javért | Talk 12:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Replied here Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 01:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
How did you contact oversight? I've only had to talk to them once before, and they did respond (to an email). I'd be happy to email them on your behalf if necessary, but give me some background on how you contacted them first.
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The ref is formatted. Simply copy paste the formatted ref I added in at the end of the quotation between the ref tags. I can do it if you'd like. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Lol, La Mome! I thought that it would be a nice feather in your cap, as a lot of the experienced, long-term editors list the pages they've created on their Userpages. But, that's okay, I understand! ;) Great idea, though! He's far more deserving of a page here than a lot of people who already have their own articles, that's for sure. Regards, • Cinch Bug • 01:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi La mome,
Just so you know, I don't think I'll have much opportunity to be on-line today. As for the schools during the experimental stage in the IB DP article, I want to pull up the sources and re-read, but at this point I agree it's best to leave them out until we know what's what. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking I'll try to stay from IB if possible. But, the history section is still incomplete. It'd be worthwhile identifying how the IB grew after the exploratory period, into the seventies. Presumably some of that information is better on the main IB page, rather than the IB DP page. I'm currently busy with another article, but will be checking in. I do think the archiving has been very successful, don't you? Truthkeeper88 ( talk)
Do you think the list of people we've been adding for the history section that are referenced in Uncle G's sources should be added to the page called List of International Baccalaureate people? That's an easy and noncontroversial task. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 01:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome! I've rewritten the IB history section (again) based on ONY's comment about the discrepancy, which was valid. Rereading the sources it appears that Leach organised the 1962 conference for which he also wrote course materials; secured funding from Unesco; ISES was founded in 64/65 which was renamed the IB Council in late 67 and Goormaghtigh became pres. in 68. I've put the current version here in my IB sandbox to preserve. It may have been changed in the article by the time you get this message. I've used both Peterson and Fox as sources, and as you've also read those two books, I'd appreciate another set of eyes to check my work for inaccuracies. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Do you still want to go ahead with Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Style issues? If not, maybe remove it from the RFC list? - Pointillist ( talk) 23:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
La mome, please see the discussion at my Talk page. Thanks, • Cinch Bug • 21:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I've opened a thread at Talk:IB Diploma Programme#Issues of outing and COI to remind people about civility and bringing personal things into the discussion. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome. I don't feel ONY has got a leg to stand on as far I am concerned by accusing me like that. It's just a distraction from the editing. I'm just ignoring it. If other editors feel that it is true they will say so to me. Regards -- Candy ( talk) 19:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi La Mome,
Could you please visit my talk page, read and comment on my recent section about the IB Diploma Programme.
Many thanks, -- Candy ( talk) 21:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I understand the urge to leave and won't try to talk you out of it. But, consider a wikibreak instead. As for the heaving lifting, I believe Helloannyong was referring to adding content, which indeed is heavy lifting. I've filled out the history section and brought it into the 1980s. Peterson's book only shows the first 68 pages on google, so I'm done with that. I think the only thing I'd want to expand is the information about the experimental period and perhaps the examination pass rates during those years and how they mirror the pass rates of the present.
Anyway, thanks for the help in that section. I hope you continue to peek in and see how things are doing.
Also, I forgot to answer your question about how to find other articles to work on. I go to "community portal" under the search bar, then on the top right click the "help out" link which takes you to "fix up projects" and then click the "articles needing copy edit" link. That brings you to the list of thousands of articles to be copyedited. I browse the list and chose something that interests me and work on it, usually on my own! Take care, and check in occasionally. Cheers. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 20:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I owe you an apology for suggesting you were part of the problem. It's clear that anyone who tries to work with her for any period of time is frustrated again and again. She's an impossible case, stubborn and cynical. I see what Jimbo Wales meant about toxic personalities- half the reports on ANI are about flaming, harrassment, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith and general incivility. It makes me sick.
Anyway, sorry for my initial stance on the issue. ONY's indef blocked now, hope we can all get some peace. A little insignificant talk to me! (please!) 14:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the section to your sandbox. You beat me to it. Let's disengage and leave as is for now. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I started some clean-out on the IB Diploma article because we left it a mess. Of course, arguing over each sentence and word, does not help build a good article. I see the reversions have begun already which is unfortunate. I'd planned to have the article reviewed, not another edit war. Anyway, if you have time, maybe just keep an eye out. Also, any new information about the Diploma programme is always helpful. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 23:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
You are a co-writer of a good article! Who thought this would pass so quickly?
Here's an infobox to display on your page. If you ever drop in again, leave me a message. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 20:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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You appear to be eligible to vote in the current
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arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose
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topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The
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