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There is no Hawaiian phoneme /v/, nor /ʋ/. The phoneme is /w/. In native Hawaiian, [w] and [v] are in free variation, along with [β] (voiced bilabial fricative), but the [w] predominates. That's why "w" is the chosen representative in both English and Hawaiian spelling of Hawaiian words. You wrongly put the "ʋ" into the Wikipedia article on Hawaii. There is no published authority on Hawaiian that claims that Hawaiian has /ʋ/ instead of /w/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.248.13.190 ( talk) 20:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Two things.
Hiya. A bit late in posting this, since it's been a busy week or so. Just wanted to say you were absolutely right in your revert of my revert. Sorry for the bad edit, and thanks for paying close attention! I do suspect that one of the theories (probably theory #1) may account for the positioning of the ridge, but this information - if it ever was on Wikipedia in the first place - has been obliterated (probably by theories of the ridge-building moon men or something). Or maybe that was the theory which explained its placement. Who knows! Anyway, thanks. -- Badger Drink ( talk) 17:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
needs an IPA thinger and I'm too lazy. Thanks. :) vıdıoman ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Just seeking an opinion - is there really a need for this template? The words which are expressed in it seem like they could be done in normal IPA quite easily (eg Division of Indi, Canberra or Brisbane). I'm asking your advice in case this is a hard fought compromise from some past war of sorts. I'm all but a native speaker of Australian English, and none of the words I've seen flagged with this template would sound much different, apart from normal accent differences, in any other variety of English. Orderinchaos 08:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hi! Indeed it seems strange, to pronounce Bastian Sick's last name like "Siek", but as far as I know, the name contains the so-called " Dehnungs-c", which is seldom but not uncommon in Northern Germany, see for example "Mecklenburg", with the first vowel being long. I've heard him pronounce his name with a long /i:/ on TV as well. — N-true ( talk) 12:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
I write you here because I think it doesn't belong to the IPA discussion page. I was thinking over again about these r-signs, and there is still some point that for me is not too clear. As I know, though IPA can be used to transcribe phonemes, it is used more generally to transcribe real sounds and not phonemes, that's what makes it international and unique for everybody. But this supposes that it should be independent of the phonemic/phonological system of a certain language, I mean, when I transcribe the real pronunciation of a word in any language, every people all over the world should interprete it the same way. So, from this, returning to the r-problem of Spanish and Italian: we have a pair of words that exist in both languages, Spanish and Italian: caro ("expensive", or also "dear" in Italian) and carro ("car"). The real pronunciation of this pair is exactly the same in Spanish and Italian. So, from the internationality principle of IPA, you could not use two different signs just because they are different languages, when the phonological string is the same in both, because there would be a contradiction: if caro sounds the same in both languages, theorically we cannot apply different signs for the same sound, so it should be or ['karo] or ['kaɾo] for both languages, and the same way, carro should be or ['karo] or ['kar:o] for both languages, but not ['karo] for Spanish and ['kar:o] for Italian, as there are absolutely no difference in the lenght or number of trills between these languages. So, now I approached the question from the side of internationality and unanimity. What's your opinion? (Sorry for my bad English.) Regards, -- TheMexican ( talk) 09:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
PS: Just an interesting observation, some Spanish speakers are unable to pronounce the long trill, and they pronounce a "long tap" instead, like [ˈkaɾːo]. -- TheMexican ( talk) 09:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I have found some samples.
I have two methods, one is to open the sound in GoldWave (it's a sound editor) and to save as WAV, and the other is using the "Disk Writer" option of Winamp. I'll be able to convert them this evening, because here on my office computer I don't have these programs :( -- Mex talk 07:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! And here you go some of that type you said (I've applied some noise reduction so you could hear it clearerly):
Regards, -- Mex talk 08:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not me, but a native Spanish speaker :) (The audios are from the Spanish Wikipedia). I edited some more with r after n/s:
Thank you again, -- Mex talk 10:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I reverted your recent edit because 1) You didn't provide a reference to support the statement that fluoridation prevents tooth decay, so "believe" is the better phrasing; 2) Water fluoridation does cause, or at least contribute to, dental fluorosis. I have no objection to your removing the "causes bone cancer" part as that is unsupported in any case. Cheers! Franamax ( talk) 02:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
There's a standard list (a very short one) of the "basic functions of speech or language" -- asking for information, giving information, expressing emotion, requests or orders -- like that.
I can't remember what this is called, and since I can't remember what it's called, I can't look it up and find out what it's called. :-)
Do you have any idea? Thanks. --
Writtenonsand (
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17:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
Please do not swap the unit order on the great lakes articles. They have been customary (metric) for a long time a and most of the source units are U.S. customary or Imperial. Also, you incorrectly, changed some of the precision of the values when you did so. Thank you, —
MJCdetroit
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Hi Kwamikagami, can you let me know why my edit to article Hindi was reverted? I did not make any wrong edit did I? Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 12:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Fine.. But if I'm not wrong, it either isn't the National Language... The constitution does not say anything about that. Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 12:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It's pronounced "Zotch"; unlike Ashby de la Zouch which is like as you would if you were French ("Zoosh") Swithlander ( talk) 09:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your help with the List of lakes by area! (I’ve also always loved your map of writing systems.) However, I’ve never before heard the Caspian Sea referred to as an ocean – the ocean article indicates that "ocean" refers to the large interconnected body of water that covers 71% of the earth, and the Caspian Sea article does not describe it as an ocean. If you have sources which support your edit, I’d love to take a look; otherwise, this seems like a rather minority view. Many thanks! Citynoise ( talk) 18:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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Let's please talk about these issues. I don't want to have to bring in a mediating administrator but I will if I have to. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
You also have not responded to the information on creaky voice on that web page. Every source on the internet says it occurs at a low frequency. You persist in saying I am wrong after I show you source after source. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I happened to notice that the "dictionary.com" uses IPA in almost exactly the same way as our broad English phonemic key. See IPA key. Is that a coincidence? Or is there a common source hiddden behind te scene? Anyway it's nice to have at hand in arguments. This includes the double quality/quantity indication in vowels and the explicit r plus schwa in rhotacized vowels. It does not use the barred i however (replaced by small cap i). − Woodstone ( talk) 21:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw you added the broad IPA as a column in the article detailing the several dialects. Good move. I had been thinking about doing the same, but hesitated during the heated discussions a while ago. − Woodstone ( talk) 05:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, User:Woodstone and I have been discussing this on his talk page; I guess we should have moved the discussion to the Help talk page to let others in on it. Anyway, just letting you know now. -- Kotniski ( talk) 12:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
There have been several reversals on the pronunciation given at Earth. It had one conforming to the help:pronunciation page and was replaced by various other forms in succession. I reverted a few times. Currently it has separate forms for US and UK English. Neither of them in line with the help file. What do you think is a wise way to act here? Leave it be, or revert to the "broad" transcription? − Woodstone ( talk) 14:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, I'm interested in your comments on this. The whole section needs more references, I'm thinking of a few more, but I'm gonna hang back to see how well received my work to-date is. You are probably well-placed to fill out ref's for some of the other statements there too. Cheers! Franamax ( talk) 00:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I can see why it might be debatable how to show velarisation (tilde vs superscript gamma) but could you please explain the other changes you made to the IPA on the lenition page? You marked Gaelic labials as palatalised for example, but they aren't and you've also changed the palatal nasal to a palatalised alveolar - what's your rationale please? Thanks Akerbeltz 00:18, 19 February 2008 (GMT)
By the way, why did you put the comment that spirantisation of /m/ to /v/ is unusual (m>v occurs in all modern celtic languages by the way, not just Irish)? Akerbeltz 20:00, 20 February 2008 (GMT)
I put in back, and am removing the tags from other articles. These pronunciations can be found in most any dictionary (dictionary.com will usually give a couple), so I don't see the point. Traditionally Wikipedia hasn't bothered with citing such things: the only pronunciations we've been citing are ones that are difficult or contentious, like Charon. kwami ( talk) 20:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no nu-like character, so there must either be something wrong with your browser or your fonts. If you go to the help key, you'll see that we chose to write syllabic consonants with a schwa. That's a convention used in some dictionaries but not others. People find the IPA confusing enough without us using half a dozen different IPA conventions. If we have to find an exact match to use a citation, then we're not going to be able to cite very many pronunciations. kwami ( talk) 21:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I asked for clarification of the MoS page regarding pronunciation entries. Your input at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#Referencing would be appreciated.— RJH ( talk) 23:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about conflicting with the help key. Also, I pulled the pronunciation for Pluto straight out of the OED. I'm looking at it right now. Perhaps you are looking at a different edition? (I have checked both online editions: the 1989 and the 2007.) Silly rabbit ( talk) 21:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
On your map of world writing systems, you have a big blue bland (er, band) across Morocco, indicating, presumably, that the locals do their writing in a Berber script. Not so. Take a note in that in to your local greengrocer and you'll get a blank look. Perhaps a blue dot would be in order. PiCo ( talk) 16:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC) (Nice map though :).
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I think this vandal should be blocked for his/her repeated vandalism and racist slur on the talk. [4] Thanks-- Appletrees ( talk) 07:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone complains about me blocking them, here's a sample of their 'contributions':
I'm making the blocks indefinite. (The other blocked address is 78.129.142.154.) These two addresses, as well as a named account Truepropagnda, have been replacing text and images with "unreferenced bullshit by chinks and japs" in the article namespace as well. [5] kwami ( talk) 07:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
==Sections Yoon and Stroke Order On Language Desk==
:While the English language article Yōon only lists the the palatal -j, historically and also dialectically there was also a labial -w. For example, kwazi "fire" which once contrasted with kazi "house chores". The palatal -j only followed the orthographic -i. However, the labial -w followed the orthographic -u. Bendono ( talk) 09:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused by what you mean with the word: "followed".
And regarding ==Stroke Order==:
:::::::I didn't make this up; the article katakana lists it. Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC).
I request that you stop edit warring on pages such as List of albedo features on Mercury. I have offered to compromise by having no pronunciation listed at all, but apparently you insist on forcing your pronunciation system on these pages (which you have no other interest in). This has the character of harassment, and if continued, I will have no choice but to deal with it as such. RandomCritic ( talk) 03:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Then perhaps you should consider collaborating with the Simple English Wiki Project, not the main English one. People who are looking for the kind of "detail" you seem to be suggesting rarely use any sort of pronunciation guide but will usually just make a stab at reading the word and live with the result. I agree that there's no need to be deliberately obscure but the idea of an encyclopedia is to give information as accurate as possible, not to cater for every level of education/ignorance. And by the way, pronounciation isn't a mosquito... more like an elephant. I'm suprised you seem to think it's such a negligible element of language. Every intro to linguistics lecture covers the fact that sounds are the basic units of a language, even in English speaking countries ; ) Akerbeltz 11:38, 7 April 2008 (GMT)]
Kwamikagami, let's look at sentences. A: Although no country has adopted the language officially, it has enjoyed continuous usage by a community estimated at between 100,000 and 2 million speakers for over a century. B: No country has adopted the language officially. Esperanto had continuous usage by a community estimated at between 100,000 and 2 million speakers for over a century.
B is better as it is not implying that Esperanto has this super-special innate quality that made it overcome an obstacle. WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I read it as 'velar' being the click onset. Like 'alveolar click' being an apical click at the alveolar ridge, regardless of where the closure is. And a click with a velar onset is impossible. I don't know why I didn't realise that it was about the closure, because I saw it in the phoneme inventory. Still; is this the right way of referring to it? Because I find it rather ambiguous. I'm not very familiar with languages with clicks (I just know how they work and I can pronounce a few), so I don't know what is the common way of describing a click in words. But the way it is in the introduction of ǂHõã, it seems to suggest that 'uvular clicks' contrast with 'dental clicks', 'alveolar clicks', etc. Thanks for your clarification. — Nay 4 March 2008
Half-way through this article and loving it! Absolutely fascinating. Lots of sourced material, with sober comments regarding significance. Great variety of sources and opinions, suggesting thoroughness without creating confusion. Clear and appropriate text, logical structure. Will think more about overall layout and details of prose style and comment or edit.
Thanks for alerting me to this article. An education in a topic I thought I'd never get a chance to research. Cheers. Alastair Haines ( talk) 02:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi KK. Nice work. This seems to me like a good opportunity to submit to DYK. I've never done that; have you? Please let me know if there's anywhere I can chime in with support. -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 19:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Greetings! I have had the chance to talk to you years ago about something linguistic, if I remember correctly, and I randomly stumbled on your talk page again right when I was thinking that the hiragana page is slightly incorrect. On the
Gojūon page about ordering hiragana, (and on the
hiragana page to some extent) it claims Gojuon is "a Japanese ordering of kana. Gojū (五十) means "fifty," and on (音,On'yomi) means 'sound', so gojūon means 'fifty sound' ordering. Despite the name, it only contains 46 common sounds, plus two no longer in use." But that seems to be in error. According to this page
[6] (and others) there used to be a full set proposed in the Meiji era, if I'm not mistaken. I'm half asleep right now, and should go to bed. If you back me up on this, I'm willing to somehow change the wording and add the two missing archaic (since two other archaic characters make the chart) characters into the chart. I made two images to do that, you are welcome to do it yourself if you see fit. I just want some feedback before changing something that seems so "set in stone" in the wording of the article. Check out this one,
(yi) and
(ye) this one ... Best regards,
Nesnad (
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18:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that was probably the most fascinating question I’ve seen on the Reference Desk in a very long time. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for a very nice job incorporating material from Baron's survey into the Kwomtari and Left May - Kwomtari pages. MarcusCole12 ( talk) 08:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
This edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_words_of_disputed_pronunciation&diff=next&oldid=172889508 seems to have broken all the external links on the page. Since there have been a number of subsequent edits, the 'undo' button doesn't work here, and they'll have to be fixed by hand. Nohat ( talk) 06:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. If you don't get an answer to your question at WT:CITE, try the GA or FA folks. - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 23:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Kwami, I see that you have added an analogy to the intelligibility between southern Min dialects and was wondering where you obtained this piece of information from and whether you could quote the source, or I'm afraid it does not comply with Wikipedia's policy of verifiability and has to be taken out:
"It has low intelligibility with other Min Nan dialects, having fewer words in common than German has with English." Shingrila ( talk) 05:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I did, but who knows who is right. 68.148.164.166 ( talk) 09:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
In the article voice (phonetics), you have written an interesting remark on Alsatian stops: That the glottis may be "positioned for voicing" without vibrating. That sounds like an interesting idea to me, so I'd be interested in the sources. -- mach ᵗᵃˡᵏ 10:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm getting interested in IPA system but do not read the whole article yet. Why does Hangul article have the two pronunciation templates like the below? Doesn't the article have to have only one template for consistency? What is difference between the two? Thanks in advance. -- Appletrees ( talk) 04:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hangul ( /ˈhɑːŋɡʊl/, or Korean )
Hello,
Yi and wu have never been allowed by Japanese phonotactics, as far back as we can trace the language.
Could you explain the phonotactics? Why were have yi and wu have never been allowed/Why are yi and wu never allowed?
68.148.164.166 (
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07:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in. Morphologically, Japanese undoubtedly did have yi and wu. This is clear in the verbal paradigms. A few examples include:
However, as far back as we have Japanese texts (c. early 8th century), there is no phonological contrast between /i, yi/ and /u, wu/. You could posit two phonological rules to account for this:
FYI Bendono ( talk) 00:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwarmi,
As you are the main manager of the IPA article, I report you something that I think it is wrong. In the IPA table, the [ʎ] appears as a palatal lateral approximant. It is not an approximant, but a fricative. It is pronounced the same way as an L, but the difference is in the point of articulation: it is not alveolar but palatal. Also the sample sound recording is wrong in the main article. If you listen to this recording in Old Castilian, you will here this sound: [14] I also commented it in the discussion page of the article. Regards, -- Mex talk 17:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I see now. Thanks for the explanation. I can try to cut out a correct sound sample from a Spanish recording if you want. -- Mex talk 18:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I looked for it, User:Peter Isotalo made all the recordings. I'll ask him to re-record it then. -- Mex talk 18:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
/Cj/ and /Cw/ were, I believe, first found in Chinese loans, and only later spread to native words, rather like /ʒ/ in English. Regardless, they've been around for a millennium. ティ and the like come from English (and perhaps other European languages) and are very recent; there are many people who cannot pronounce them 'correctly'. Orthographically, I don't know if they were ever used other than as yōon, but my guess would be no. However, くわ certainly was.
I am throughly and utterly confused. Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
If you know anyone reliable who could help with the "Africa" section (or any section, actually) of User:Ling.Nut/Funerary art, I'd be deeply in your debt. later! Ling.Nut ( talk) 03:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
... is served... Ling.Nut ( talk) 06:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I enjoyed reading your recent contribution to this page, but I'd like to see some references, please. Cbdorsett ( talk) 23:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. As the user who made the recordings for the sound samples seems to be inactive, I decided to make the correct recording, according to the other samples. I've put the corrected audio link into the article, please check it. I think it won't be bad until that user connects again and makes a better one, what do you think? Regards, -- Mex talk 22:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The idea is as follows:
And you're done.
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By the way, it's okay that you're skeptical. Most astronomers were skeptical the first time they saw the results. Most are now convinced that the results are real and not due to extinction, but not everyone is convinced that dark energy is the only explanation. ScienceApologist ( talk) 08:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, is this transcription right for Azulejo? IPA: [aθulexo]
I have zero knowledge of Spanish and Portuguese, so I need your confirm. Thanks in advance.-- Appletrees ( talk) 17:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
"Typo" is so boring. I picked up that habit here, I think it was User:TenOfAllTrades I saw do it first. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 20:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
With ref to this edit: I had some refinery confined-space training where nitrogen was specifically discussed (remanent purge gas danger). The explanation was that pure nitrogen would flood the CO2 sensor cells (a patch of cells in the chest near the heart?) and disable the breathe-out response, thus obviating the breathe-in response. This was accompanied by a video re-enactment and a trembling-lip statement from the safety officer that he was on shift the day those two guys died. They seemed really really serious about nitrogen. I appreciate that you made a one-off comment on the refdesk, but I'm curious myself - what is the mechanism, and after unconsciousness due to nitrogen inhalation, will the body naturally revive in air atmosphere, or is it game over? Thanks. Franamax ( talk) 07:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Now, as for mechanism. CO2 sensors do make you breathe, so you continue to breathe in any non-irritating atmosphere, including inert gas, N2, or hypoxic mixes. Nitrogen doesn't saturate any receptors. Instead, what happens is this: humans don't have very good "low O2" sensors. Unlike burrowing animals and diving animals, we don't sense low O2 very well, directly. Thus, there is very little if no sense of discomfort or warning for atmospheres which are low in O2, but ALSO normally low (or zero) in CO2. That's what happens at sudden high altitude, or in nitrogen. It can also happen in scuba rebreathers when the oxygen isn't flowing-- the CO2 is scrubbed out, but no O2 replaces it, then the O2 level in the mix goes down and down and the diver doesn't notice till they lose consciousness (this is usually fatal, but I've seen one guy survive when it was noticed that he was just floating on the bottom unconcious, and one of his students got him to the surface). This is probably the most common rebreather fatality, and has happened to at least one Nobel Prize winning nuclear physicist! You might have seen Dr. Jonathan Miller actually do this experiment on himself in The Body in Question series in 1978. He lost consciousness without ever feeling short-of-breath. It's what happened to the NASA guys.
Now, what does it look like? Well, the unconscious person continues to breathe for a while before the hypoxia stops even that, so if they are returned to normal O2 within a certain time, they spontaneously wake up. If they quit breathing or go to agonal gasping, they'll need artifical respiration to recover.
If they go to actual cardiac arrest, they'll need full CPR and may or may not spontaneously restart their hearts when oxygenated blood is delivered to the coronaries (this happens more likely with children). Adults often need a heart shock as well, since they'll be in ventricular fibrillation. What the limits to how long this can go on? Once the heart stops it's the standard 4-6 min before permanent brain damage in adults, even with resuscitation. 10 if you're very, very lucky but odds are against you. If you saw resuscitation after drowning scene in The Abyss you get the idea. Post-resusciation treatments like brain-cooling and chemicals show promise, and dogs have been resuscitated to normal after 15 minutes of cardiac arrest. One day people will, too S B H arris 21:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand the Phagspa–Hangul connection is a minority opinion. But I believe displaying full genealogical list of scripts linking from phagspa is more informative to the reader. In order to clarify its disputed status, I have added "(contorversial)" next to phagspa in the genealogical table explaining its status. - Agnistus ( talk) 03:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I have to disagree wholeheartedly. The pronunciation is incorrect as quoted in the OED. The IPA entry on any page should reflect the actual pronunciation and not an erroneous one. I shall start a discussion on it on the page in question. Jamesnp ( talk) 10:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you check the IPA pronunciation for this article. Note: uses British English. Bsrboy ( talk) 12:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Bsrboy ( talk) 19:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Classical Arabic had */ɬˤ/. This has become /dˤ/ in Standard Arabic (and /zˤ/ in Egyptian Arabic). According to Watson (2002) parts of the Hadramawt of southern Yemen still retain the lateral pronunciation (p 2). She also says that in some southern Yemen dialects, including that of Ghaylħabbān [sic], this lateral pronunciation is preserved, though it becomes [ðˤ] if there is a liquid in the same word (p 16). — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I've restored that page. The FAC was closed here. The bot just does the paperwork. Gimmetrow 06:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a note about FAC: nominations get closed after a certain period of time when there is still outstanding opposition. This way the FAC list doesn't get too long. My comments, for example, would require a lot of work before I would be willing to strike the oppose. General practice is that when your nomination is closed, finish fixing all of the issues, contact the opposers to have them look at the article again and see if their objections have been met, and then renominate the article. It is preferred that you wait at least one week and probably longer before renominating to be fair to other nominators. Karanacs ( talk) 14:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Rongorongo_X_Birdman_(color).jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Mangostar ( talk) 14:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hard luck. If you can get people over the barrier of your unusual (for Wikipedia) approach to referencing, I don't see many serious obtacles to success next time. That may or may not be effective consolation! (If you're wondering why I didn't vote support, I don't very often because I feel I shouldn't if I haven't checked out the whole article in detail. Of course I never have the time to do that....) 4u1e ( talk) 19:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Back in 2005, in the article for raising you said that laterals and nasals have their own hierarchies. Can you add them to the page? Or provide reference on the page to information on stricture hierarchies? Thank you. Augur ( talk) 07:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Please undo your changes to the templates starting with 'IPA', there's no consensus for them. Unlike the format 'pronounced X', the format 'X' doesn't give any indication as to what 'X' is, while the format 'IPA: X' does. There's also the issue of the double brackets in the countless articles that formerly had 'IPA: [X]' enclosed between parentheses. Timeineurope ( talk) 17:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
That genre can be pronounced with both [ʒ] and [dʒ] doesn't mean that the phoneme /ʒ/ can ever be realised as [dʒ]. Some people won't have [ʒ] in certain positions, but that's not because they realise the phoneme /ʒ/ as [dʒ] in such positions – it's because they use the phoneme /dʒ/ instead. While it makes sense to say that German Rat and Rad, both [ˈʁaːt], are /ˈraːt/ and /ˈraːd/, respectively, because other forms of the lexeme Rad, such as Räder, have [d], I don't find that it makes sense to say that journal and genre – when both are pronounced with [dʒ] – have /dʒ/ and /ʒ/, respectively, because there is no word related to genre that has [ʒ]. Timeineurope ( talk) 19:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I am baffled by your reversion of my edit of this article. The column headings, as you have written them, imply that there exists such a thing as a "Wikipedia IPA" -- and there is no such thing. The current headings also fail to make clear that we are contrasting a respelling transcription with the IPA transcription.
Can we agree that the first column should be headed, perhaps, as "Respelling Symbol" and the second column simply as "IPA Symbol"? It seems to me that that would be simple and clear. Morris K. ( talk) 20:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I corrected your example of Kaiserslautern here. The second "er" is actually /er/, so I shortened it to "Kaiser." This caught my eye because I used to live in the town. Funny, huh? Morris K. ( talk) 18:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I could prove I'm not making it up. I shot him an e-mail about 2005 FY 9 and extrasolar planets in general and he revealed that information to me. -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 23:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for working on the correct IPA representation for "Duquesne," especially correcting the syllabic stress. However, I would like to note that in Pittsburgh, the way we pronounce "Duquesne" is closer to /duːˈkeɪn/ than /djuːˈkeɪn/. I believe this is a dialectal difference; should the location of the university have bearing on the way the pronunciation is represented? Alekjds talk 04:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I'm not sure if the /a/ to /ɑ/ is appropriate here. It's related to the Taoiseach discussion in some ways - Scots (most people from Yorkshire north actually) have /a/, not /ɑ/. Added to that, someone who has /ɑ/ most likely won't have /x/ either and would probably have /k/ or /h/ or something. I think if we are going to keep the /x/ then we need the /a/ too.
I think we need some general rules actually - something along the lines of rules about pronunciation in bilingual English + 1 other language countries (like Wales, Ireland, Scotland, New Zealand...) where place names will involve phonemes not in standard English. Although what they'd exactly look like I'm not sure. For the sake of practicality it might be better to create an infobox for those listing 1) indigenous name and pronunciation 2) local English pronunciation(s) 3) elsewhere.
What do you think? Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
They're tricky to keep apart (Scots and SSE I mean) but my impression is that both mar and marry would have /a/ except in those areas where _r is included in the vowel length rule which give you /aː/. And I'm not sure most Scots can read the IPA much less be aware of the fact they need to distinguish/collapse things. Trust me, I've taught IPA to enough Scots to know. I think we should rely as little as possible on people being "aware" of things, since the intention of an encyclopedia is that someone goes and looks something up they're not sure about in the first place. And for that mixing two pronunciation systems isn't a good idea in my view. Akerbeltz ( talk) 11:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
One that mixes a local pronunciation with an over-regional one I guess. Just looked into my Collins, they have /lɒx/ and /lɒk/... I guess there's no ideal answer. Very well, I concede ; ) And I agree, there's some weird vowels listed in some dictionaries, not just in English. I think the problem is that linguist A who likes vowels lists all he can get his hand on, lexicographer A uses the list cause he can't be bothered and lexicographers B-Z23 copy A... Akerbeltz ( talk) 14:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree, but Seuss himself pronounced it differently. It would make more sense to have a paragraph discussing the pronunciation—perhaps you could put the IPA pronunciation there? Mr. Absurd ( talk) 00:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I can definitely see where you would consider the appearance of a g to be downright baffling and illogical, and this is what I first thought as well. However, check any good Kinyarwanda book (they're hard to come by) and you will see that Kinyarwanda words like 'Rwanda' morph from their actual spellings. (One particulary good book for this is Alexandre Kimenyi's A Relational Grammar of Kinyarwanda.) A few examples:
rw --> rgw pw --> pk bw --> bg mw --> mŋ my --> mɲ tw --> tkw dw --> dgw cw --> ckw by --> bjy
I can give real examples of many of these. If you want to hear rgw, listen to BBC Kinyarwanda, available on the BBC website. The speakers repeatedly use the word Rwanda with the rgw sound. It is also notable that there are instances when these morphings are omitted, such as in the singing of Rwanda Nziza, in which I've never heard the g inserted before. If you want to hear tw --> tkw, watch Sometimes in April, a movie about the Rwandan Genocide, and near the vey end of the movie, you will see a gacaca hillside court meeting. The inyangamugayo (gacaca judge) asks if anyone wishes to testify. A woman (one of the main characters walks up and says "Nitwa Martine Kamanzi. [I am named Martine Kamanzi.] I was there. I'm a survivor.". When she says nitwa, it is very obviously pronounced as if it is spelled as nitkwa. As for mw --> mŋ, watch Ghosts of Rwanda or Rwanda : Do Scars Ever Fade ?, and you will see that when the native speakers of Kinyarwanda say Interahamwe, it comes across as Inherahamŋe. One of the most obvious is bw --> bg. Take for example ubwoko, the word for clan or ethnicity. I met Dr Alison des Forges, a Human Rights Watch expert who has worked closely with Rwanda for ages and has travelled to Rwanda some 30 times since the genocide. She pronounced the word as ubgoko. In fact there is even an old dictionary of the neighboring Kirundi language (which shares many of the same phonemes and is similar to Kinyarwanda to the point that BBC and VOA each give the two a joint language channel) which changes the spelling of bw to bg. If you want a link to this dictionary, I can dig it up for you. If you have any more questions or want more supporting evidence please let me know. Thanks for your interest. - 74.79.7.214 ( talk) 10:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you added IPA template calls to the tables in the IPA article: diff. However, IPA characters show up fine in MSIE6 without adding individual templates, because all relevant tables had class="IPA wikitable" set on them, influencing all the cells. Is there something I'm missing? Cheers, -- Kjoon lee 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah I see. You've got "span.IPA" in your stylesheets while I have ".IPA" only. Maybe you'd want to switch to .IPA..? -- Kjoon lee 21:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
Only the last one displays properly for me, and I currently have my CSS keyed to .IPA. kwami ( talk) 08:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
That was it. Thanks! kwami ( talk) 08:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
If such is the case, why is China's article titled People's Republic of China? Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon ( talk) 14:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, What are you doing? There is NO speaker icon anywhere in the Help:IPA article. At least not on my browser, which is IE7. Do you have a magic browser which translates a superscript (i) into a tiny picture of an speaker?? Morris K. ( talk) 03:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed in this edit that you undid my change in the representation of diphthongs. We can both make a case for our respective choices but I'm wondering how the literature generally represents them phonemically. The only thing I could find is this which doesn't really use IPA but chooses to represent non-vocalic /u/ and /i/ as <ŭ> and <j> respectively. What is your experience on the matter? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
You agreed back in October that transcriptions like /ˈhɑː(r)wʊd/ can be used in articles (see Help talk:Pronunciation/Archive 1#Rhotic vowel formatting), so you have no basis for undoing such transcriptions. Timeineurope ( talk) 17:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This dictionary confusingly uses ā for both /æ/ and /eɪ/. The sound clip resolves the ambiguity of the transcription. Timeineurope ( talk) 21:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your excellent work on the article 511 Davida. You recently brought the mass of 511 Davida into conformity with the observed size based on an "assumed density" of 2.0 g/cm3, but provided no source to explain the assumption about the density, so it's not clear why you changed the mass to conform to the listed density instead of changing the density to conform to the listed mass. Astronomy & Astrophysics 374, 703-711 (2001) indicates the mass of 511 Davida as 3.34 × 10-11 solar masses, much higher than the mass you have indicated. Could you give us some further pointers? -- arkuat (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, beautiful. Thank you very much! I haven't delved into the methodology behind that Astronomy & Astrophysics article or anything, but it's more of a citation than we have for the density estimate. -- arkuat (talk) 05:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I see your point, but I don't agree. On that particular page were listed only the families, not the genera or any subfamilies, so confusion should not occure. I have experienced that "Kartvelian" is rather rare in contemporary literature. It seems to me that it was used more often in the past in old German and English books and articles. Furthermore, you didn't (and for the same reason shouldn't) replace Northeast Caucasian and Northwest Caucasian by "Nakh-Dagestanian" (although this term is still in use today) and "Abkhaz-Adyghe" or "Pontic" (never seen any of them in use nowadays), respectively. So I don't think there's any striking reason to rename the links or even the article. — N-true ( talk) 11:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I understand you undid my edits (Brahmi introduction into subj article) for a good reason. Yet, there is something I would like to know. From the article it is not evident that Evans' knowledge of Devanagari is documented, and not his knowledge of related scripts. I would be glad if you add a reference to devanagari version. At the moment, "triangles for vowels" as an invention of Evans in the article text looks no less strange than the proposal that it was taken from Brahmi. Tar-ba-gan ( talk) 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I think things are moving in the right direction. Thank you.
However, there's still a bit of a problem with the images. (There had been some mention of the Hunmin Jeongeum images, at either Wikiproject Korea or the Korean Wikipedia itself.) The Hunmin Jeongeum Haerye image is fine now, but the Hunmin Jeongeum image needs to be switched to something which is written in Classical Chinese.
Since the latter image has descriptions in Old Hangul, it belongs to the Hunmin Jeongeum Eonhaebon manuscript. (I don't know whether the Eonhaebon manuscript is an edition of the Haerye or not. Sorry...) -- Kjoon lee 22:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami;
Thanks for your contributions to the Sei Whale article. Unfortunately, what you're doing seems logical, to change the name of whales to sentence case, but the issue has been long debated at WikiProject Cetaceans and the standard that has been adopted is to capitalize the common names of whales. It's not a standard that I agree with, but I'd like to ask that you revert your recent capitalization changes and begin a discussion over on that project's talk page before doing any more. I'll support you in your quest to change the standard, but as I understand it, it was a long and acrimonious debate in the past that led to this standard. If you have any questions, please reply here or on my talk page. Thanks, Neil916 ( Talk) 06:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
When I reverted the spelling change, I explained in the edit summary that 'artefact' was correct - the editor who had changed the spelling gave no reason in the edit summary. I'm sure you know as well as I do that guidelines say fill out edit summaries, so why did you revert my rv? -- Doug Weller ( talk) 08:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
What was wrong with the consonant chart how I put it? Munci ( talk) 11:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Now I see it. I accidentally changed the clicks section when I was trying to changed it so that affricates would be separate from the plosives. I have tried to change so I'd sort the clicks as well but the current table doesn't seem to make sense with the clicks because | is used for dental clicks and ! for alveolar yet in the table it uses | for sibilant and ! for non-sibilant. Munci ( talk) 12:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I made it so the clicks are in a separate table. Is this fine? Munci ( talk) 03:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I've never noticed this perception. I thought they were just seen as weird consonants. How about having ejectives separate as well and have thelast as pulmonic since all 3 are different sorts of airstream? Or should it just be figured out to keep all the consonants together?
I only meant about outside perceptions. I did the table again with all the consonants in and footnotes for allophones, variations and rare phonemes. Munci ( talk) 11:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
So why did it say Dental/Alveolar in the original version? Are you happy now? Munci ( talk) 03:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, would you be able to direct me to the relevant part of MoS please? Thanks. + Hexagon1 ( t) 12:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Whether it goes without saying or not, it is wrong. Pemba is part of the Zanzibar archipelago, so to say Zanzibar and Pemba, would be wrong. please see the wikipedia entry on Zanzibar, for clarification:
Zanzibar IPA: /ˈzænzɨbɑːr/ forms part of the East African nation of Tanzania. It is an archipelago in the Indian Ocean 25–50 km (15–30 mi) off the coast, consisting of numerous small islands and two large ones: Unguja (the main island, sometimes informally referred to as "Zanzibar"), and Pemba. Zanzibar was once a separate state with a long trading history within the Arab world; it united with Tanganyika to form Tanzania, and still enjoys a high degree of autonomy within the union. The capital of Zanzibar, located on the island of Unguja, is Zanzibar City, and its old quarter, known as Stone Town, is a World Heritage Site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petridish01 ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Well I have just been in Unguja recently, and many of the locals were offended when you called it Zanzibar. A reference point such as Wikipedia should be aiming to be accurate, not enforce incorrect generalisations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petridish01 ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Kwami you need to think before you make sweeping changes. First, you should not move articles without discussing it first on the articles talk page and without notifying relevant wikiprojects. Second, some of your edits are bordering on NPOV and I may be adding neutrality tags on certain articles. Please talk about edits first as it will avoid problems. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you blocked 69.54.131.48 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) indefinitely, citing that it is a vandalism-only account. However, guidelines for blocking IP addresses explain that you shouldn't block an IP address indefinitely, especially for single incidents. I'm not aware that this is an open proxy, so I'm assuming this is a mistake, and encourage you to reduce the block to something more appropriate; if you decide not to, you should at least add the necessary templates to the page. -- Haemo ( talk) 21:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. In your latest addition to the Abugida article, you left out a verb, and I'm not sure which one you meant to put in, since it isn't obvious to me how a consonant can have a default vowel, without it being determinable what that default vowel is. — Largo Plazo ( talk) 02:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
You recently added a "local" pronunciation to Laredo, "Lah-reh-dou." Do you mean an English pronunciation, or Spanish? If English, I'm guessing you mean /ləˈrɛdoʊ/ luh-RED-oh, with the only difference from the outsider pronunciation being that the stressed syllable sounds like red rather than raid. Hope this helps. kwami ( talk) 01:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the IPA help. Somedumbyankee ( talk) 03:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Is Rongorongo a script? I notice that you start calling it a script in Etymology and variant names. To meet Tony's objections, I had removed the use of "inscription" in the lead. – Mattisse ( Talk) 22:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I just thought you should probably review User talk:Xenocidic#requesting check for suspected sock puppets and advise. I believe he left it for at least one other admin as well. Thanks, xenocidic ( talk) 17:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to have had to revert you, but the IAU's release states there are only two "plutoids" at present. (Others will be named at a future date.) Cheers. -- Ckatz chat spy 18:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, regarding your revert in semi-syllabary, do you have any citation that zhuyin was originally designed for varieties other than Mandarin? Zhuyin originated in the same commission that was tasked in defining Guoyu (Standard Mandarin in the ROC). Regardless, though zhuyin has extensions for a few other Chinese dialects, it is rarely used to transcribe anything but Standard Mandarin. Lastly, I have a big problem with the way the sentence is currently worded because it promogates the mistaken view that all the varieties of Chinese are one language, which is certainly up for debate. Can we reach some kind of compromise here? — Umofomia ( talk) 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on zhuyin but those extra symbols may have something to do with language change. If you check older Mandarin dictionaries you will occasionally find pronunciations indicated which contain consonants not present in modern Mandarin. I can't for the life of me find the dictionary right now but I am 100% I've seen odd stop finals indicated in an old Mandarin dictionary. Akerbeltz ( talk) 11:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome and yes, I agree. Here's the full ref if you need it (I'm not going to touch the article :b): RH Mathews Mathews' Chinese - English Dictionary (Revised American Edition) China Inland Mission & Presbyterian Mission Press 1931, Shanghai. Mine is a reprint from 1975 though. Akerbeltz ( talk) 19:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Kwamikagami, I need to apologize to you for my hyperlinking of all the years in the Esperanto article. I was wrong in what I did, the MoS says specifically only years relevant to the article should be linked, and most, if not all, of the years mentioned in the article are not relevant whatsoever. Thank you for correcting my mistake. By the way, I have initiated a peer review of the Esperanto article, but so far have not received much feedback. If it is not too much of a bother for you, I would appreciate your feedback on the quality, style, and format of the article. My ultimate goal is to raise it to featured article status. Thanks! TFCforever ( talk) 02:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello User:Kwamikagami,
You’re admin, why are you so threatening and lack politeness [Wikipedia:Civility] to fellow editors? You have extraordinary powers (your have rightly earned) over the majority but you seem to been in many heated 3RR when you should know better.
Your comments against me are unbelievable.
I am upset & appalled at your behaviour towards me. And have been in two minds to report you to the admin.
Thus I propose that we call an end to this behaviour, work towards consensus and discuss our issue in the discussion area using facts and good defences.
My best regards,
Vufors ( talk) 08:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
This is sloppy linguistics. It doesn't matter in a phonemic or phonetic transcription, if we are using IPA and claiming a pronunciation is IPA then only /ɹ/ or [ɹ] is acceptable. Claiming that a transcription is IPA and then using the symbol "r" can only be the alveolar trill. If you want to use a pronunciation with "r" that is fine, but don't label it IPA when it uses the symbol not according to the IPA's definition. Wikipedia does not make its own rules, it follows those established. Azalea pomp ( talk) 05:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I still don't agree with the policy. Wikipedia should not decide how it should interpret IPA. Just because readers may not be familiar, that is not good reason to dumb it down to their level. I could not imagine ever in the linguistics world using the IPA incorrectly for phonology or phonetics. I mean if I used a generic transcription for English such as "r" to mean English r that is fine, but I would not claim I was using IPA, maybe I would say "IPA-based". Yes, "r" in English varies greatly by dialect. English does not have an academy or standard, so I may concede that using an "r" would make it simple, but I would remove the term IPA before any transcription so not to mislead readers. This is why wikipedia gets a bad rap. So, "read", /rid/ may be ok but IPA: /rid/ is not. Azalea pomp ( talk) 15:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to inform you that a warning was left at User talk:SUVx regarding a violation of WP:Wikiquette in one this this editors latest edits in which you called you a troll. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 19:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll concede the point. :) Azalea pomp ( talk) 20:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Before you make any changes to Pahawh Hmong, make sure you have your fact straighten out, because new comers to Pahawh Hmong can be confused. First of all, the one shown on Pahawh Hmong page have 7 Yu (rime) tones, not eight (some Pahawh Hmong uses the eight tones because they do not understand the significance of it) and 19 La sound (I do not know where you got the 20th from); this was the second version and the final product of Yang Shong Lue’s before his death. The third and fourth version, or as many as there exist, are not Yang Shong Lue’s original work. These changes are conducted by people who lacked true understanding of Pahawh Hmong, and therefore they make these changes to confuse the Hmong people since they do not have their own writing system until 1959 (when Shong Lue created Pahawh Hmong). Some of your facts about Yang Shong Lue’s biography or history seem correct but the truth can only be told from Shong Lue’s family and friends who are with him at the time.
My questions to you about Pahawh Hmong: How much do you know about Pahawh Hmong? What does Pahawh mean or translated to be in English? Can you read in Pahawh Hmong? How do you say the United States in Pahawh Hmong? How do you say number(s), Monday, hello, etc. in Pahawh Hmong?
Why do I ask you these questions because I know and can speak the elementary form of Pahawh Hmong (37 yrs after Shong Lue’s death), the language is still being developed, there is no advanced form of it at this point. Only those who learn the second version of Pahawh Hmong can understand my point of view and the truth behind Shong Lue’s struggle for his people; and anyone who have their own writing system will be able to understand this perspective as well.
For those who do not learn the second version of Pahawh Hmong (the one created by Shong Lue), even if they are Hmong or foreigner, they will never be able to find words for the (new or)modern Hmong language, never be able to find definitions, and never be able to translate foreign languages to Pahawh Hmong as accurate as possible, etc.
So next time before you make changes make sure that your facts are accurrate.
Pahawhcentury ( talk) 00:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmong Daw used 19 La not 18. You are right about one thing; the eight Yu does appear in the third and maybe the fourth version; but not in the second version. Instead, the eight Yu is added to the “history” section in the second version because it represents a tone in the Hmong language (the majority of the Hmong population speaks Hmong Daw, it is not necessary). It is not a “must” learn in order to speak to both Hmong Daw and Hmong Njau, that is why it is not included in the Yu and La Pahawh Table in the second version.
And you say that Shong Lue published phajhauj txha. That is wrong. That is probably the fourth version published by some of his “followers” who wanted to reduce the accurate and difficulty in the second version. If you have proof of this, with his hand writing in that final product then I will believe you. Shong Lue did not published any more after the second version. Shong Lue did not want Hmong to be divided. By creating more branches of different writing system, this will occur. He already see farther than the normal man.
You can say all you want about the eight Yu and nineteenth and twentieth La in the third and fourth version. Whether they are true of false, that I do not care, but the second version, please make sure that you have it correct, even if it is about the script and not the religion. That is the reason why I put the second version on Wikipedia because much of the Hmong website about Pahawh Hmong ignored the second version, the most important version.
If you plan to make more changes, please state the difference between the four versions because new comers to Pahawh Hmong will think that they are all the same and that the newer version is “correct.” Anyone can learn which ever one they want as long as it met their needs.
You seem to know a bit about Pahawh Hmong. Why are you interested in Pahawh Hmong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pahawhcentury ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Plutoid this is not same Trans-Neptunian_object. this diff is error. - John Belushi ( talk) 11:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Could you possibly go over there and have a talk with the guy posting at the top of the page? I've tried to answer his questions but he doesn't seem to get what I'm saying and is now bordering on personal attacks. I am really not clear on what he's trying to say. I suspect he may be a creationist but I'm not sure. Serendi pod ous 08:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
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Just don't demand exclusive rights from the Chinese Communist Party. Serendi pod ous 09:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC) |
I admire the way you have hung in there and patiently defended your article at FAC. It looks like you will be rewarded and I am so glad. I really like that article. Regards, – Mattisse ( Talk) 23:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami, I have a question regarding phonemic orthography because you have profound knowledges of linguistics. There are several slow edit wars between two users such as Nanshu ( talk · contribs) and Cypoet ( talk · contribs) over whether Korean language is a good example of phonemic orthography. [20] [21] [22] [23] Well, they don't have any backup sources for their claim though. I briefly looked through information on hangul and Korean language in EncyKorea which says hangul is indeed a good example of phonemic orthography, but since it is from a Korean site, so I don't know how international scholars consider it as such. If you comment on this, I would appreciate your help, Thanks.-- Caspian blue ( talk) 00:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, thanks for your many insightful and well-informed updates to the various Khoisan languages pages. Great work!
WmGB ( talk) 03:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
P.S. How do you find so much great unpublished information? Willing to share your sources with a fellow linguist?
You're welcome. - Agnistus ( talk) 19:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
" Grammar of Modern Standard Hindi"? the seeds of it. Tuncrypt ( talk) 21:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Any way you can take a look at his page, Agim Kaba? The same guy keeps vandalizing the page with strange claims. The IMDB and this biography of him: http://agimkaba.com/biography.htm make no mention of him being Southern Baptist, Jewish, or naming his daughter Shequanda... Azalea pomp ( talk) 14:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, as you have (co-)authored the two articles, I think you might be interested in a critique by a scholar who belongs to reknown Yeniseists. As it is part of my personal correspondence, I cannot reproduce it here, I can only send it to your personal email address which I do not know. But if you look at my signature, you should be able to extrapolate my email and contact me. If you do so, I'll send you what I've got.-- Pe t 'usek petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom 09:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
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For your addition, "Because of this, it will not be visited by the Dawn asteroid mission", you added the following sources:
However, neither states that the Dawn will not not visit Pallas 2. The second says that, "I've heard it's not ruled out that Dawn will be directed to rendezvous with 2 Pallas (for a slow flyby) in 2018, after the main mission at Vesta and Ceres is completed and enough fuel is left." If you read wikipedia the article, you can see that a fly-by is still entirely possible. Thus, unless you have a definitive statement from the mission management, your addition seems questionable.
Kindly correct your statement. Thank you.— RJH ( talk) 22:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
Nice to meet you.
Some people are proposing to close down Xhosa Wikipedia. It is hoped that you could join in to vote and voice your opinion regarding this matter Here. Thanks. -- Jose77 ( talk) 00:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Click this link: Image talk:Rongorongo Z Poike.jpg, at the top of the page, just below the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" it says "View or restore one deleted edit?" Click that link, at the bottom of the page the "View and restore deleted pages" page, there is a section called "Page history" which would basically be the page's history if it wasnt deleted. Click on the time link (called "22:23, March 1, 2008") and there ya go, that is the text that was on the page when it was deleted. Also, if you want to keep it, you can always just copy it to a Microsoft Word document. If you have any other questions, feel free to let me know. « Gonzo fan2007 ( talk ♦ contribs) @ 20:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I reverted your recent addition to Writing system because you did not provide any cite to support it. Maybe if you can explain who uses abreviations like "LRTB" and why, it would help. Where have you seen this abbreviation in use? Of course, it's perfectly logical, but if it hasn't been used anywhere, it would be your own original research, which can't be included in Wikipedia articles. Let me know what you think. Cbdorsett ( talk) 14:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I just added over ten scholary references from books into the article on the part you two were debating. Please do not revert it. If you request additional citations please put a "fact" tag and I will see to it. - Cradashj ( talk) 05:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey there.
Careful at Sicani, you're edging dangerously close to using your tools in a content dispute; that's bad mojo. Don't let your temper flare overmuch; I'm looking into probable socking. — Coren (talk) 22:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should change the main page on Diacritics, and get that some consensus on the terminology there before modifying various language pages according to your preferred terms. As of today, the correct terms are either diacritic or diacritical mark, but not diacritic mark. VasileGaburici ( talk) 10:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why you removed the IPA? Lothlerarhlichliarmetlialeta ( talk) 20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
You are mistaken. The dates of the arrivals of the tribes to Sicily is given, and the date of the arrival of the Sicilians on Malta is given. The two of them together clearly highlight that according to the dates, the Maltese could not have been the other tribes. Kyarichy ( talk) 10:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
May I ask how you came to the conclusion that the user was POV pushing?? Kyarichy ( talk) 19:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Until such a time comes when there is evidence to support this claim of sockpuppetery, it is considered a personal attack to express the viewpoint that they "are". By all means, you can suggest I am, and RFCU it, but it is considered bad practise to then assume for sure before given evidence, that I am a sockpuppet of anyone. Due to this, I advise you strictly adhere to AGF, since you are already in gross violation of 3RR on multiple pages as it is.
Anyway, there is a new reference I have left on the mediation page. I suggest you have a look. 78.149.145.54 ( talk) 10:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I just wish I were able to spend a little more time on them; what I've added is hardly adequate! kwami ( talk) 16:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. Could you add a summary of what you've just said to the Macro-Mayan stub? kwami ( talk) 19:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, its Agnistus here. I was wondering if you could do me a favor by using your admin privileges.
Please delete my main user page User:Agnistus. I will be qutting WP completely by July 10 and wish to leave no records of my presence behind. Thankyou. Agnistus ( talk) 11:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this edit. As far as I'm aware, "Tengwar" is a proper noun, and should be capitalized. Yngvarr (t) (c) 09:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
You probably noticed that someone moved all the help:IPA-xx pages to WP article space. Do you want to keep it like that, or should it be reversed? They may become subject to the recurring original research objections again. − Woodstone ( talk) 20:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Ubangi languages, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.
If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Alinnisawest ( talk) 20:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry but your protestations are absurd. If all you really wanted to do was correct a few typos and whatnot, then that shouldn't have necessitated removing from the lead-in all the material that you did. I was also being very generous when I said that you were manipulating the Theil source. In truth, you gutted it of all reference as to why exactly Theil omitted Omotic from Afro-Asiatic in the first place! Here's your version: Rolf Theil (2006) suggests that, not only is Omotic not Cushitic, but it is not even Afro-Asiatic. And here's my paraphrase of the Theil source: Rolf Theil (2006) demonstrates that, in fact, there are no closer genetic relations between Omotic and Afro-Asiatic than between Omotic and any other language family. You also claim that I manipulated the Theil source, right? That's funny because this is what Theil actually wrote: No closer genetic relations have been demonstrated between OM and AA than between OM and any other language family -- virtually identical to my paraphrase. Causteau ( talk) 10:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
In the language templates, please kindly stop removing "group" from behind the names of subgroups. The word doesn't need to be wikified because it is crystal clear in English--"group" means that it is not a single language. I do this to clarify the difference between a single language as a descendant of a family (as in "Egyptian" and "Ongota" on the Afro-Asiatic page) and a subgroup. There are many smaller language families where the novice isn't familiar with the names and may think that particular names are single languages. I don't know why you object to such a clear and unambiguous usage. ( Taivo ( talk) 13:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC))
Please see the Talk page for Woleaian. I'm afraid you've got some explaining to do. :-( -- Evertype· ✆ 19:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll reiterate: unless you or anyone else is able to source the various claims within, say a week or so, I'm going to be removing it. Claims of the magnitude being made there need to be sourced. You're the one who keep restoring it, so the onus is on you so ensure it lives up to standards. El_C 03:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Back in November you proposed merging sound change and phonological change. No one ever did make a case in favor; I eventually suggested an alternative, and in reponse Alsihler made a reasonable case (so it seemed to me) that the subjects are separate. The proposal is still hanging around, though, even though there's never been a case made in favor of it. Would you be willing to close (or withdraw, if such a thing is within propriety) the proposal? (Alternatively, do you have a case to make in favor of it? I don't see any contributions from you in the discussion.) I mention withdrawing, which I imagine would be removing the merge templates, as a possible alternative to closing because there has never been a talk section specifically about the merge proposal — the discussions that touch on it are not specific to it — so there's nothing to remove to an archive on the specific proposal. Pi zero ( talk) 13:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
doesnt look vertical to me... the words are displayed horizontally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
im just wondering, can this kind mongolian be typed? not the cylliric one because we all know that ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 13:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
As part of the Good Article sweeps conducted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force, I have completed a reassessment of 2 Pallas and placed the reassessment on hold for one week to allow some minor things to be fixed. I am contacting you because you have been a major contributor to the article. The reassessment can be found here. Please contact me with any concerns or questions. Thank you, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 19:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
im positive thats actually the flag of the COUNTRY georgia, so why is it small like the other provincial and state flags. im not trying to be rude here, just pointing it out. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 13:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami. You are doing good and careful work on the language pages. I just realized that I had not been understanding some of the citations you were adding on some of the pages we have both been editing recently. For example, I failed to understand that "(L&M 1996:56):" was a citation as I interpreted it as some sort of esoteric language table cross reference for a table of which I knew not. Sorry for the confustion. I guess the colon threw me, or just the fact that I don't grok IPA and linguistics technical details. I was only trying to get WP to be a better sourced encyclopedia. I added WP standard footnote citations to a couple of articles as an example of how they can be done with the Ladefoged source. See Stiff voice or Slack voice and see what you think. (Respond here as I will follow the thread in just this one place.) N2e ( talk) 13:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
Thank You for Your message. Thank You also for Your patience in waiting for the answer. I release it with heavy heart, because it is necessarily incomplete because of the sophisticatedness of the topic, but I do not want to make You wait longer than a fortnight.
I appended my summary after Talk:Hadza people#removed section, but the detailed answer is on a subpage User:Physis/Spiritual culture of the Hadzabe.
Best wishes,
Physis ( talk) 13:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Move protection of a day's featured article is pretty standard; semi-protection is generally only permitted in instances of extreme vandalism; here it seems you've even fully protected the article? Was that intentional? – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll reply on the talk page. But basically, I don't think there had to be an edit war about this. I am half-guilty too, but can you just please show me the specific sources that can be used to replace the {{ fact}} tags? I can even do it myself. But no one was asking you to rewrite anything. I know that takes time. I think El C just wanted you to replace the citation tags with the refs. Khoi khoi 01:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
As the admin who saw you revert warring with the anon last week, you are hereby warned: if you continue to revert war, you will be blocked without further warning. *** The first sentence of wp:burden places to burden of citing sources on you. I have no opinion as to the disputed content, despite your repeated protests to the contrary. *** And don't misuse your rollback, either, or I will revoke your rollback flag. Thanks. El_C 21:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
So, had I not stepped in, would you and the anon just be reverting each other back & forth, indefinitely? I really don't understand your approach. El_C 21:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Putting all the citations at the end is not good enough. You need to place a citation for each fact tags, so the reader knows: this citation sources this claim, this citation sources that claim, and so on. I just don't understand why you'd choose to do this, on purpose. Thanks again. El_C 21:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as you've been involved at Maltese language with the IP's (and previously with several of his sockpuppets it's transpired), you may be interested in this AN/I thread and this RFCU. It would be very useful to have an admin keep an eye on Special:RecentChangesLinked/Template:Malta_topics who's familiar with the IP's and editors involved for a quick response to this disruption. Many thanks, Knepflerle ( talk) 16:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Kwamikagami. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Ani#User:Kwamikagami. Thank you. Toddst1 ( talk) 19:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Just thought I'd let you know that I redirected Negative evidence to Negative proof. I could be wrong though. Late.-- Woland ( talk) 21:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
Thank You for Your answers and patience. I have just answered on Talk:Hadza people#Acknowledging Your version, asking time for Hadza questions, they are more complex that I thought.
The title expresses the essence. I have set my e-mail address in Wikipedia.
Thank You the many care and congratulation on Your knowledge on Hadza language and folklore.
Best wishes
Physis ( talk) 12:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure your additions to Ossetic language are right? The bit about the digraphs needs clarification, at any rate. Aren't the digraphs the combinations with ъ, which are mostly indicated in the IPA with ’ (indicating ejective). Is it possible that the Ossetic ejectives also have lip rounding, so these aren't actually separate phonemes? If not, the digraphs for the lip-rounded versions should be presented. — KCinDC ( talk) 04:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
This is about interntational recognition, limited to Russia as it may be. Justification on the talk page, under one of your entires. The move, if any, should be done via WP:RM, as is the case right now for Kosovo's internatioanl recognition. Best wishes, -- Mareklug talk 12:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, sorry I haven't replied on this until now. I reckon we should mention something about his faith in the lead, though not necessarily in the place you removed the "Muslim" part from. T|he reason for this is that since the lead is meant to summarize the article, and we have a section about him entitled "Theology", then we should mention something about his beliefs. Especially since (reading that section), his faith seemed very important to why he was a scientist: "Ibn al-Haytham attributed his experimental scientific method and scientific skepticism to his Islamic faith. The Qur'an, for example, placed a strong emphasis on empiricism." So I think some summary of that theology section needs to be made in the lead, though I'm not entirely sure that saying "Muslim polymath" is the right way to do that, since it makes no comment as to why that is relevant. What do you think? Any ideas of say a sentence we could add to the lead about his faith? Deamon138 ( talk) 20:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi kwami...if you get bored... you can help out with User:Ling.Nut/ELAS or User:Ling.Nut/ELO. :-) Ling. Nut (WP:3IAR) 12:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
On September 10, 2007, you added the following remark to the Delta Andromedae article:
“ | It has a proper name variously spelled Sadiradra, Saderazra, Sadir Elazra, from its Arabic name الصدر العذراء al-sadr al-adhra'a "Bosom of the Maiden". | ” |
If you could remember your source for this statement I would appreciate it if you'd let me know it. Spacepotato ( talk) 01:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
hey do you have any tones for wu dialect? ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 18:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
i mean diacritics for wu dialect. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 14:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
i was looking for the diacritics for the shanghai and ningbo ones. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 21:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
what im trying to do is trying to figure out how to get zhuyin to be perfectly compatible with shanghainese and ningbo dialect. to do that i needed the diacritics and possibly some extra ltters? im not sure though because i only know a few words. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure! The only reason I added those is because out of 63 entries only ~8 have images - so I was trying to compensate. Anyways, I am going to submit the Moons of Jupiter for FLC really soon, so if you notice other problems just let me know. Nergaal ( talk) 06:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with dealing with the vandal at 96.247.32.90 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) a few days ago.
Unfortunately, almost immediately after the block you put on 96.247.32.90 expired, he/she started vandalizing articles again, the biggest examples being these edits: 1, 2, 3, sorry to have to bother you with this again, and thanks again for the help. Aoimusha ( talk) 03:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
black is black and white is white..i find no grey..original research is original research..please assume good faith .. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
we usually put "for" first and "against" next..so "support" should precede "criticise"..not the other way.. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
amusement not my problem;) lol..i assumed good faith and neither called you pro russian nor anti r..so , whats the amusement?..my only grouse is that editors must make controversial misquotes AFTER CONSENSUS backing..Personally, I DONT PREFER CHANGING STATUS QUO UNILATERALLY unless i can find RELIABLE NEUTRAL citations that say the opposite.. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Can you please explain why you altered the IPA of the article on South Ossetia? /ɒˈsɛtɪə/ was well-sourced, and even linked to the specific page on the online OED. You removed this, and replaced the reference with a link to the Wikipedia article on the OED. Quite apart from seeming like deliberate misinformation - which I am sure it is not - how on earth does this improve the quality of the article? — Wereon ( talk) 12:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I just noticed the edit you made as some kind of middle-ground between 'propaganda' and 'influence' (on the Maltese people article). I think the former is too aggressive in context and I suppose 'influence' can be misunderstood (I'm not sure who by) as referring to genetic ancestry. Thanks for your suggestion, I think it works well. Kalindoscopy: un enfant espiègle ( talk) 20:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#New_Name, i wanted to make sure you saw this Ijanderson ( talk) 21:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Saturn is listed as having 60, and Jupiter as having 63. Do moonlets count as moons? Nergaal ( talk) 02:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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I was wondering, do you think you could create an enlarged segment of the Jovian chart at, say 100 times magnification so people get an idea of the scale? Thanks. Serendi pod ous 12:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This is one of those annoying definition things. It's not a question of who's right or who's wrong; merely a question of how you interpret the information presented. Right now, unlike with planets, there is no official dividing line as to what constitutes a moon and what doesn't; technically, every speck of dust orbiting in a planet's ring system could be considered a moon. Where one chooses to cut off is pretty arbitrary, so I prefer to simply go with the official count until a more stringent definition is adopted. Serendi pod ous 07:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
OK. This is an official NASA site. Updated December 28, 2007. Not only does it give Saturn's moon count of 60, it also lists the names and designations of every moon discovered to date. I think that's as conclusive as you can get. Serendi pod ous 09:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Anybody knows why S/2000 J 11 might not be on that list? Nergaal ( talk) 02:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry I got a bit tetchy up there, but I do think this issue is important. Serendi pod ous 16:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
how did the phagspa script represent chinese tones without diacritics, i thought there were tones in middle chinese? ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 17:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for letting me know. Odd. I've reuploaded the file. It looks like the list of lakes by area no longer makes use of the graphic in any case; perhaps this is why it was deleted. Since Eyre is a remarkably variable lake, it probably does make sense to include it in the "variable lakes" section and not in the main list. I think my little map shows it at its maximum extent, but I'm not certain. take care Citynoise ( talk) 01:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Kwami. I ask you a favor with your expertise. I created Korean dishes, dalk galbi and Andong jjimdalk and named the articles as following Korean Wiktionary http://ko.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EB%8B%AD However, a stubborn editor named Badagnani ( talk · contribs) insists on altering the spellings to "dak" and "tak" as referring to English Wiktionary. I've seen many wrong info there and even habitually inserted by him such as Samgyetang. Korean Wiktionary is managed by more strict admins on Korean language such as 아흔. Therefore, I believe that the Korean Wikitory is correct on the Romanization for 닭. Could you clarify the Romanization? I've tried to find the usage on the world from 국립국어원, but could not. Thanks-- Caspian blue ( talk) 01:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
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There is no Hawaiian phoneme /v/, nor /ʋ/. The phoneme is /w/. In native Hawaiian, [w] and [v] are in free variation, along with [β] (voiced bilabial fricative), but the [w] predominates. That's why "w" is the chosen representative in both English and Hawaiian spelling of Hawaiian words. You wrongly put the "ʋ" into the Wikipedia article on Hawaii. There is no published authority on Hawaiian that claims that Hawaiian has /ʋ/ instead of /w/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.248.13.190 ( talk) 20:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Two things.
Hiya. A bit late in posting this, since it's been a busy week or so. Just wanted to say you were absolutely right in your revert of my revert. Sorry for the bad edit, and thanks for paying close attention! I do suspect that one of the theories (probably theory #1) may account for the positioning of the ridge, but this information - if it ever was on Wikipedia in the first place - has been obliterated (probably by theories of the ridge-building moon men or something). Or maybe that was the theory which explained its placement. Who knows! Anyway, thanks. -- Badger Drink ( talk) 17:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
needs an IPA thinger and I'm too lazy. Thanks. :) vıdıoman ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Just seeking an opinion - is there really a need for this template? The words which are expressed in it seem like they could be done in normal IPA quite easily (eg Division of Indi, Canberra or Brisbane). I'm asking your advice in case this is a hard fought compromise from some past war of sorts. I'm all but a native speaker of Australian English, and none of the words I've seen flagged with this template would sound much different, apart from normal accent differences, in any other variety of English. Orderinchaos 08:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hi! Indeed it seems strange, to pronounce Bastian Sick's last name like "Siek", but as far as I know, the name contains the so-called " Dehnungs-c", which is seldom but not uncommon in Northern Germany, see for example "Mecklenburg", with the first vowel being long. I've heard him pronounce his name with a long /i:/ on TV as well. — N-true ( talk) 12:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
I write you here because I think it doesn't belong to the IPA discussion page. I was thinking over again about these r-signs, and there is still some point that for me is not too clear. As I know, though IPA can be used to transcribe phonemes, it is used more generally to transcribe real sounds and not phonemes, that's what makes it international and unique for everybody. But this supposes that it should be independent of the phonemic/phonological system of a certain language, I mean, when I transcribe the real pronunciation of a word in any language, every people all over the world should interprete it the same way. So, from this, returning to the r-problem of Spanish and Italian: we have a pair of words that exist in both languages, Spanish and Italian: caro ("expensive", or also "dear" in Italian) and carro ("car"). The real pronunciation of this pair is exactly the same in Spanish and Italian. So, from the internationality principle of IPA, you could not use two different signs just because they are different languages, when the phonological string is the same in both, because there would be a contradiction: if caro sounds the same in both languages, theorically we cannot apply different signs for the same sound, so it should be or ['karo] or ['kaɾo] for both languages, and the same way, carro should be or ['karo] or ['kar:o] for both languages, but not ['karo] for Spanish and ['kar:o] for Italian, as there are absolutely no difference in the lenght or number of trills between these languages. So, now I approached the question from the side of internationality and unanimity. What's your opinion? (Sorry for my bad English.) Regards, -- TheMexican ( talk) 09:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
PS: Just an interesting observation, some Spanish speakers are unable to pronounce the long trill, and they pronounce a "long tap" instead, like [ˈkaɾːo]. -- TheMexican ( talk) 09:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I have found some samples.
I have two methods, one is to open the sound in GoldWave (it's a sound editor) and to save as WAV, and the other is using the "Disk Writer" option of Winamp. I'll be able to convert them this evening, because here on my office computer I don't have these programs :( -- Mex talk 07:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! And here you go some of that type you said (I've applied some noise reduction so you could hear it clearerly):
Regards, -- Mex talk 08:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not me, but a native Spanish speaker :) (The audios are from the Spanish Wikipedia). I edited some more with r after n/s:
Thank you again, -- Mex talk 10:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I reverted your recent edit because 1) You didn't provide a reference to support the statement that fluoridation prevents tooth decay, so "believe" is the better phrasing; 2) Water fluoridation does cause, or at least contribute to, dental fluorosis. I have no objection to your removing the "causes bone cancer" part as that is unsupported in any case. Cheers! Franamax ( talk) 02:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
There's a standard list (a very short one) of the "basic functions of speech or language" -- asking for information, giving information, expressing emotion, requests or orders -- like that.
I can't remember what this is called, and since I can't remember what it's called, I can't look it up and find out what it's called. :-)
Do you have any idea? Thanks. --
Writtenonsand (
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17:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
Please do not swap the unit order on the great lakes articles. They have been customary (metric) for a long time a and most of the source units are U.S. customary or Imperial. Also, you incorrectly, changed some of the precision of the values when you did so. Thank you, —
MJCdetroit
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02:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, can you let me know why my edit to article Hindi was reverted? I did not make any wrong edit did I? Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 12:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Fine.. But if I'm not wrong, it either isn't the National Language... The constitution does not say anything about that. Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 12:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It's pronounced "Zotch"; unlike Ashby de la Zouch which is like as you would if you were French ("Zoosh") Swithlander ( talk) 09:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your help with the List of lakes by area! (I’ve also always loved your map of writing systems.) However, I’ve never before heard the Caspian Sea referred to as an ocean – the ocean article indicates that "ocean" refers to the large interconnected body of water that covers 71% of the earth, and the Caspian Sea article does not describe it as an ocean. If you have sources which support your edit, I’d love to take a look; otherwise, this seems like a rather minority view. Many thanks! Citynoise ( talk) 18:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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Let's please talk about these issues. I don't want to have to bring in a mediating administrator but I will if I have to. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
You also have not responded to the information on creaky voice on that web page. Every source on the internet says it occurs at a low frequency. You persist in saying I am wrong after I show you source after source. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I happened to notice that the "dictionary.com" uses IPA in almost exactly the same way as our broad English phonemic key. See IPA key. Is that a coincidence? Or is there a common source hiddden behind te scene? Anyway it's nice to have at hand in arguments. This includes the double quality/quantity indication in vowels and the explicit r plus schwa in rhotacized vowels. It does not use the barred i however (replaced by small cap i). − Woodstone ( talk) 21:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw you added the broad IPA as a column in the article detailing the several dialects. Good move. I had been thinking about doing the same, but hesitated during the heated discussions a while ago. − Woodstone ( talk) 05:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, User:Woodstone and I have been discussing this on his talk page; I guess we should have moved the discussion to the Help talk page to let others in on it. Anyway, just letting you know now. -- Kotniski ( talk) 12:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
There have been several reversals on the pronunciation given at Earth. It had one conforming to the help:pronunciation page and was replaced by various other forms in succession. I reverted a few times. Currently it has separate forms for US and UK English. Neither of them in line with the help file. What do you think is a wise way to act here? Leave it be, or revert to the "broad" transcription? − Woodstone ( talk) 14:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, I'm interested in your comments on this. The whole section needs more references, I'm thinking of a few more, but I'm gonna hang back to see how well received my work to-date is. You are probably well-placed to fill out ref's for some of the other statements there too. Cheers! Franamax ( talk) 00:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I can see why it might be debatable how to show velarisation (tilde vs superscript gamma) but could you please explain the other changes you made to the IPA on the lenition page? You marked Gaelic labials as palatalised for example, but they aren't and you've also changed the palatal nasal to a palatalised alveolar - what's your rationale please? Thanks Akerbeltz 00:18, 19 February 2008 (GMT)
By the way, why did you put the comment that spirantisation of /m/ to /v/ is unusual (m>v occurs in all modern celtic languages by the way, not just Irish)? Akerbeltz 20:00, 20 February 2008 (GMT)
I put in back, and am removing the tags from other articles. These pronunciations can be found in most any dictionary (dictionary.com will usually give a couple), so I don't see the point. Traditionally Wikipedia hasn't bothered with citing such things: the only pronunciations we've been citing are ones that are difficult or contentious, like Charon. kwami ( talk) 20:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no nu-like character, so there must either be something wrong with your browser or your fonts. If you go to the help key, you'll see that we chose to write syllabic consonants with a schwa. That's a convention used in some dictionaries but not others. People find the IPA confusing enough without us using half a dozen different IPA conventions. If we have to find an exact match to use a citation, then we're not going to be able to cite very many pronunciations. kwami ( talk) 21:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I asked for clarification of the MoS page regarding pronunciation entries. Your input at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#Referencing would be appreciated.— RJH ( talk) 23:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about conflicting with the help key. Also, I pulled the pronunciation for Pluto straight out of the OED. I'm looking at it right now. Perhaps you are looking at a different edition? (I have checked both online editions: the 1989 and the 2007.) Silly rabbit ( talk) 21:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
On your map of world writing systems, you have a big blue bland (er, band) across Morocco, indicating, presumably, that the locals do their writing in a Berber script. Not so. Take a note in that in to your local greengrocer and you'll get a blank look. Perhaps a blue dot would be in order. PiCo ( talk) 16:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC) (Nice map though :).
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I think this vandal should be blocked for his/her repeated vandalism and racist slur on the talk. [4] Thanks-- Appletrees ( talk) 07:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone complains about me blocking them, here's a sample of their 'contributions':
I'm making the blocks indefinite. (The other blocked address is 78.129.142.154.) These two addresses, as well as a named account Truepropagnda, have been replacing text and images with "unreferenced bullshit by chinks and japs" in the article namespace as well. [5] kwami ( talk) 07:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
==Sections Yoon and Stroke Order On Language Desk==
:While the English language article Yōon only lists the the palatal -j, historically and also dialectically there was also a labial -w. For example, kwazi "fire" which once contrasted with kazi "house chores". The palatal -j only followed the orthographic -i. However, the labial -w followed the orthographic -u. Bendono ( talk) 09:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused by what you mean with the word: "followed".
And regarding ==Stroke Order==:
:::::::I didn't make this up; the article katakana lists it. Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC).
I request that you stop edit warring on pages such as List of albedo features on Mercury. I have offered to compromise by having no pronunciation listed at all, but apparently you insist on forcing your pronunciation system on these pages (which you have no other interest in). This has the character of harassment, and if continued, I will have no choice but to deal with it as such. RandomCritic ( talk) 03:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Then perhaps you should consider collaborating with the Simple English Wiki Project, not the main English one. People who are looking for the kind of "detail" you seem to be suggesting rarely use any sort of pronunciation guide but will usually just make a stab at reading the word and live with the result. I agree that there's no need to be deliberately obscure but the idea of an encyclopedia is to give information as accurate as possible, not to cater for every level of education/ignorance. And by the way, pronounciation isn't a mosquito... more like an elephant. I'm suprised you seem to think it's such a negligible element of language. Every intro to linguistics lecture covers the fact that sounds are the basic units of a language, even in English speaking countries ; ) Akerbeltz 11:38, 7 April 2008 (GMT)]
Kwamikagami, let's look at sentences. A: Although no country has adopted the language officially, it has enjoyed continuous usage by a community estimated at between 100,000 and 2 million speakers for over a century. B: No country has adopted the language officially. Esperanto had continuous usage by a community estimated at between 100,000 and 2 million speakers for over a century.
B is better as it is not implying that Esperanto has this super-special innate quality that made it overcome an obstacle. WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I read it as 'velar' being the click onset. Like 'alveolar click' being an apical click at the alveolar ridge, regardless of where the closure is. And a click with a velar onset is impossible. I don't know why I didn't realise that it was about the closure, because I saw it in the phoneme inventory. Still; is this the right way of referring to it? Because I find it rather ambiguous. I'm not very familiar with languages with clicks (I just know how they work and I can pronounce a few), so I don't know what is the common way of describing a click in words. But the way it is in the introduction of ǂHõã, it seems to suggest that 'uvular clicks' contrast with 'dental clicks', 'alveolar clicks', etc. Thanks for your clarification. — Nay 4 March 2008
Half-way through this article and loving it! Absolutely fascinating. Lots of sourced material, with sober comments regarding significance. Great variety of sources and opinions, suggesting thoroughness without creating confusion. Clear and appropriate text, logical structure. Will think more about overall layout and details of prose style and comment or edit.
Thanks for alerting me to this article. An education in a topic I thought I'd never get a chance to research. Cheers. Alastair Haines ( talk) 02:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi KK. Nice work. This seems to me like a good opportunity to submit to DYK. I've never done that; have you? Please let me know if there's anywhere I can chime in with support. -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 19:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Greetings! I have had the chance to talk to you years ago about something linguistic, if I remember correctly, and I randomly stumbled on your talk page again right when I was thinking that the hiragana page is slightly incorrect. On the
Gojūon page about ordering hiragana, (and on the
hiragana page to some extent) it claims Gojuon is "a Japanese ordering of kana. Gojū (五十) means "fifty," and on (音,On'yomi) means 'sound', so gojūon means 'fifty sound' ordering. Despite the name, it only contains 46 common sounds, plus two no longer in use." But that seems to be in error. According to this page
[6] (and others) there used to be a full set proposed in the Meiji era, if I'm not mistaken. I'm half asleep right now, and should go to bed. If you back me up on this, I'm willing to somehow change the wording and add the two missing archaic (since two other archaic characters make the chart) characters into the chart. I made two images to do that, you are welcome to do it yourself if you see fit. I just want some feedback before changing something that seems so "set in stone" in the wording of the article. Check out this one,
(yi) and
(ye) this one ... Best regards,
Nesnad (
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18:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that was probably the most fascinating question I’ve seen on the Reference Desk in a very long time. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for a very nice job incorporating material from Baron's survey into the Kwomtari and Left May - Kwomtari pages. MarcusCole12 ( talk) 08:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
This edit http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_words_of_disputed_pronunciation&diff=next&oldid=172889508 seems to have broken all the external links on the page. Since there have been a number of subsequent edits, the 'undo' button doesn't work here, and they'll have to be fixed by hand. Nohat ( talk) 06:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. If you don't get an answer to your question at WT:CITE, try the GA or FA folks. - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 23:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Kwami, I see that you have added an analogy to the intelligibility between southern Min dialects and was wondering where you obtained this piece of information from and whether you could quote the source, or I'm afraid it does not comply with Wikipedia's policy of verifiability and has to be taken out:
"It has low intelligibility with other Min Nan dialects, having fewer words in common than German has with English." Shingrila ( talk) 05:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I did, but who knows who is right. 68.148.164.166 ( talk) 09:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
In the article voice (phonetics), you have written an interesting remark on Alsatian stops: That the glottis may be "positioned for voicing" without vibrating. That sounds like an interesting idea to me, so I'd be interested in the sources. -- mach ᵗᵃˡᵏ 10:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm getting interested in IPA system but do not read the whole article yet. Why does Hangul article have the two pronunciation templates like the below? Doesn't the article have to have only one template for consistency? What is difference between the two? Thanks in advance. -- Appletrees ( talk) 04:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hangul ( /ˈhɑːŋɡʊl/, or Korean )
Hello,
Yi and wu have never been allowed by Japanese phonotactics, as far back as we can trace the language.
Could you explain the phonotactics? Why were have yi and wu have never been allowed/Why are yi and wu never allowed?
68.148.164.166 (
talk)
07:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in. Morphologically, Japanese undoubtedly did have yi and wu. This is clear in the verbal paradigms. A few examples include:
However, as far back as we have Japanese texts (c. early 8th century), there is no phonological contrast between /i, yi/ and /u, wu/. You could posit two phonological rules to account for this:
FYI Bendono ( talk) 00:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwarmi,
As you are the main manager of the IPA article, I report you something that I think it is wrong. In the IPA table, the [ʎ] appears as a palatal lateral approximant. It is not an approximant, but a fricative. It is pronounced the same way as an L, but the difference is in the point of articulation: it is not alveolar but palatal. Also the sample sound recording is wrong in the main article. If you listen to this recording in Old Castilian, you will here this sound: [14] I also commented it in the discussion page of the article. Regards, -- Mex talk 17:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I see now. Thanks for the explanation. I can try to cut out a correct sound sample from a Spanish recording if you want. -- Mex talk 18:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I looked for it, User:Peter Isotalo made all the recordings. I'll ask him to re-record it then. -- Mex talk 18:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
/Cj/ and /Cw/ were, I believe, first found in Chinese loans, and only later spread to native words, rather like /ʒ/ in English. Regardless, they've been around for a millennium. ティ and the like come from English (and perhaps other European languages) and are very recent; there are many people who cannot pronounce them 'correctly'. Orthographically, I don't know if they were ever used other than as yōon, but my guess would be no. However, くわ certainly was.
I am throughly and utterly confused. Asrghasrhiojadrhr ( talk) 06:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
If you know anyone reliable who could help with the "Africa" section (or any section, actually) of User:Ling.Nut/Funerary art, I'd be deeply in your debt. later! Ling.Nut ( talk) 03:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
... is served... Ling.Nut ( talk) 06:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I enjoyed reading your recent contribution to this page, but I'd like to see some references, please. Cbdorsett ( talk) 23:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. As the user who made the recordings for the sound samples seems to be inactive, I decided to make the correct recording, according to the other samples. I've put the corrected audio link into the article, please check it. I think it won't be bad until that user connects again and makes a better one, what do you think? Regards, -- Mex talk 22:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The idea is as follows:
And you're done.
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Hi, is this transcription right for Azulejo? IPA: [aθulexo]
I have zero knowledge of Spanish and Portuguese, so I need your confirm. Thanks in advance.-- Appletrees ( talk) 17:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
"Typo" is so boring. I picked up that habit here, I think it was User:TenOfAllTrades I saw do it first. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 20:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
With ref to this edit: I had some refinery confined-space training where nitrogen was specifically discussed (remanent purge gas danger). The explanation was that pure nitrogen would flood the CO2 sensor cells (a patch of cells in the chest near the heart?) and disable the breathe-out response, thus obviating the breathe-in response. This was accompanied by a video re-enactment and a trembling-lip statement from the safety officer that he was on shift the day those two guys died. They seemed really really serious about nitrogen. I appreciate that you made a one-off comment on the refdesk, but I'm curious myself - what is the mechanism, and after unconsciousness due to nitrogen inhalation, will the body naturally revive in air atmosphere, or is it game over? Thanks. Franamax ( talk) 07:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Now, as for mechanism. CO2 sensors do make you breathe, so you continue to breathe in any non-irritating atmosphere, including inert gas, N2, or hypoxic mixes. Nitrogen doesn't saturate any receptors. Instead, what happens is this: humans don't have very good "low O2" sensors. Unlike burrowing animals and diving animals, we don't sense low O2 very well, directly. Thus, there is very little if no sense of discomfort or warning for atmospheres which are low in O2, but ALSO normally low (or zero) in CO2. That's what happens at sudden high altitude, or in nitrogen. It can also happen in scuba rebreathers when the oxygen isn't flowing-- the CO2 is scrubbed out, but no O2 replaces it, then the O2 level in the mix goes down and down and the diver doesn't notice till they lose consciousness (this is usually fatal, but I've seen one guy survive when it was noticed that he was just floating on the bottom unconcious, and one of his students got him to the surface). This is probably the most common rebreather fatality, and has happened to at least one Nobel Prize winning nuclear physicist! You might have seen Dr. Jonathan Miller actually do this experiment on himself in The Body in Question series in 1978. He lost consciousness without ever feeling short-of-breath. It's what happened to the NASA guys.
Now, what does it look like? Well, the unconscious person continues to breathe for a while before the hypoxia stops even that, so if they are returned to normal O2 within a certain time, they spontaneously wake up. If they quit breathing or go to agonal gasping, they'll need artifical respiration to recover.
If they go to actual cardiac arrest, they'll need full CPR and may or may not spontaneously restart their hearts when oxygenated blood is delivered to the coronaries (this happens more likely with children). Adults often need a heart shock as well, since they'll be in ventricular fibrillation. What the limits to how long this can go on? Once the heart stops it's the standard 4-6 min before permanent brain damage in adults, even with resuscitation. 10 if you're very, very lucky but odds are against you. If you saw resuscitation after drowning scene in The Abyss you get the idea. Post-resusciation treatments like brain-cooling and chemicals show promise, and dogs have been resuscitated to normal after 15 minutes of cardiac arrest. One day people will, too S B H arris 21:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand the Phagspa–Hangul connection is a minority opinion. But I believe displaying full genealogical list of scripts linking from phagspa is more informative to the reader. In order to clarify its disputed status, I have added "(contorversial)" next to phagspa in the genealogical table explaining its status. - Agnistus ( talk) 03:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I have to disagree wholeheartedly. The pronunciation is incorrect as quoted in the OED. The IPA entry on any page should reflect the actual pronunciation and not an erroneous one. I shall start a discussion on it on the page in question. Jamesnp ( talk) 10:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you check the IPA pronunciation for this article. Note: uses British English. Bsrboy ( talk) 12:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Bsrboy ( talk) 19:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Classical Arabic had */ɬˤ/. This has become /dˤ/ in Standard Arabic (and /zˤ/ in Egyptian Arabic). According to Watson (2002) parts of the Hadramawt of southern Yemen still retain the lateral pronunciation (p 2). She also says that in some southern Yemen dialects, including that of Ghaylħabbān [sic], this lateral pronunciation is preserved, though it becomes [ðˤ] if there is a liquid in the same word (p 16). — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I've restored that page. The FAC was closed here. The bot just does the paperwork. Gimmetrow 06:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a note about FAC: nominations get closed after a certain period of time when there is still outstanding opposition. This way the FAC list doesn't get too long. My comments, for example, would require a lot of work before I would be willing to strike the oppose. General practice is that when your nomination is closed, finish fixing all of the issues, contact the opposers to have them look at the article again and see if their objections have been met, and then renominate the article. It is preferred that you wait at least one week and probably longer before renominating to be fair to other nominators. Karanacs ( talk) 14:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Rongorongo_X_Birdman_(color).jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Mangostar ( talk) 14:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hard luck. If you can get people over the barrier of your unusual (for Wikipedia) approach to referencing, I don't see many serious obtacles to success next time. That may or may not be effective consolation! (If you're wondering why I didn't vote support, I don't very often because I feel I shouldn't if I haven't checked out the whole article in detail. Of course I never have the time to do that....) 4u1e ( talk) 19:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Back in 2005, in the article for raising you said that laterals and nasals have their own hierarchies. Can you add them to the page? Or provide reference on the page to information on stricture hierarchies? Thank you. Augur ( talk) 07:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Please undo your changes to the templates starting with 'IPA', there's no consensus for them. Unlike the format 'pronounced X', the format 'X' doesn't give any indication as to what 'X' is, while the format 'IPA: X' does. There's also the issue of the double brackets in the countless articles that formerly had 'IPA: [X]' enclosed between parentheses. Timeineurope ( talk) 17:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
That genre can be pronounced with both [ʒ] and [dʒ] doesn't mean that the phoneme /ʒ/ can ever be realised as [dʒ]. Some people won't have [ʒ] in certain positions, but that's not because they realise the phoneme /ʒ/ as [dʒ] in such positions – it's because they use the phoneme /dʒ/ instead. While it makes sense to say that German Rat and Rad, both [ˈʁaːt], are /ˈraːt/ and /ˈraːd/, respectively, because other forms of the lexeme Rad, such as Räder, have [d], I don't find that it makes sense to say that journal and genre – when both are pronounced with [dʒ] – have /dʒ/ and /ʒ/, respectively, because there is no word related to genre that has [ʒ]. Timeineurope ( talk) 19:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I am baffled by your reversion of my edit of this article. The column headings, as you have written them, imply that there exists such a thing as a "Wikipedia IPA" -- and there is no such thing. The current headings also fail to make clear that we are contrasting a respelling transcription with the IPA transcription.
Can we agree that the first column should be headed, perhaps, as "Respelling Symbol" and the second column simply as "IPA Symbol"? It seems to me that that would be simple and clear. Morris K. ( talk) 20:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I corrected your example of Kaiserslautern here. The second "er" is actually /er/, so I shortened it to "Kaiser." This caught my eye because I used to live in the town. Funny, huh? Morris K. ( talk) 18:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I could prove I'm not making it up. I shot him an e-mail about 2005 FY 9 and extrasolar planets in general and he revealed that information to me. -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 23:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for working on the correct IPA representation for "Duquesne," especially correcting the syllabic stress. However, I would like to note that in Pittsburgh, the way we pronounce "Duquesne" is closer to /duːˈkeɪn/ than /djuːˈkeɪn/. I believe this is a dialectal difference; should the location of the university have bearing on the way the pronunciation is represented? Alekjds talk 04:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I'm not sure if the /a/ to /ɑ/ is appropriate here. It's related to the Taoiseach discussion in some ways - Scots (most people from Yorkshire north actually) have /a/, not /ɑ/. Added to that, someone who has /ɑ/ most likely won't have /x/ either and would probably have /k/ or /h/ or something. I think if we are going to keep the /x/ then we need the /a/ too.
I think we need some general rules actually - something along the lines of rules about pronunciation in bilingual English + 1 other language countries (like Wales, Ireland, Scotland, New Zealand...) where place names will involve phonemes not in standard English. Although what they'd exactly look like I'm not sure. For the sake of practicality it might be better to create an infobox for those listing 1) indigenous name and pronunciation 2) local English pronunciation(s) 3) elsewhere.
What do you think? Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
They're tricky to keep apart (Scots and SSE I mean) but my impression is that both mar and marry would have /a/ except in those areas where _r is included in the vowel length rule which give you /aː/. And I'm not sure most Scots can read the IPA much less be aware of the fact they need to distinguish/collapse things. Trust me, I've taught IPA to enough Scots to know. I think we should rely as little as possible on people being "aware" of things, since the intention of an encyclopedia is that someone goes and looks something up they're not sure about in the first place. And for that mixing two pronunciation systems isn't a good idea in my view. Akerbeltz ( talk) 11:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
One that mixes a local pronunciation with an over-regional one I guess. Just looked into my Collins, they have /lɒx/ and /lɒk/... I guess there's no ideal answer. Very well, I concede ; ) And I agree, there's some weird vowels listed in some dictionaries, not just in English. I think the problem is that linguist A who likes vowels lists all he can get his hand on, lexicographer A uses the list cause he can't be bothered and lexicographers B-Z23 copy A... Akerbeltz ( talk) 14:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree, but Seuss himself pronounced it differently. It would make more sense to have a paragraph discussing the pronunciation—perhaps you could put the IPA pronunciation there? Mr. Absurd ( talk) 00:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I can definitely see where you would consider the appearance of a g to be downright baffling and illogical, and this is what I first thought as well. However, check any good Kinyarwanda book (they're hard to come by) and you will see that Kinyarwanda words like 'Rwanda' morph from their actual spellings. (One particulary good book for this is Alexandre Kimenyi's A Relational Grammar of Kinyarwanda.) A few examples:
rw --> rgw pw --> pk bw --> bg mw --> mŋ my --> mɲ tw --> tkw dw --> dgw cw --> ckw by --> bjy
I can give real examples of many of these. If you want to hear rgw, listen to BBC Kinyarwanda, available on the BBC website. The speakers repeatedly use the word Rwanda with the rgw sound. It is also notable that there are instances when these morphings are omitted, such as in the singing of Rwanda Nziza, in which I've never heard the g inserted before. If you want to hear tw --> tkw, watch Sometimes in April, a movie about the Rwandan Genocide, and near the vey end of the movie, you will see a gacaca hillside court meeting. The inyangamugayo (gacaca judge) asks if anyone wishes to testify. A woman (one of the main characters walks up and says "Nitwa Martine Kamanzi. [I am named Martine Kamanzi.] I was there. I'm a survivor.". When she says nitwa, it is very obviously pronounced as if it is spelled as nitkwa. As for mw --> mŋ, watch Ghosts of Rwanda or Rwanda : Do Scars Ever Fade ?, and you will see that when the native speakers of Kinyarwanda say Interahamwe, it comes across as Inherahamŋe. One of the most obvious is bw --> bg. Take for example ubwoko, the word for clan or ethnicity. I met Dr Alison des Forges, a Human Rights Watch expert who has worked closely with Rwanda for ages and has travelled to Rwanda some 30 times since the genocide. She pronounced the word as ubgoko. In fact there is even an old dictionary of the neighboring Kirundi language (which shares many of the same phonemes and is similar to Kinyarwanda to the point that BBC and VOA each give the two a joint language channel) which changes the spelling of bw to bg. If you want a link to this dictionary, I can dig it up for you. If you have any more questions or want more supporting evidence please let me know. Thanks for your interest. - 74.79.7.214 ( talk) 10:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you added IPA template calls to the tables in the IPA article: diff. However, IPA characters show up fine in MSIE6 without adding individual templates, because all relevant tables had class="IPA wikitable" set on them, influencing all the cells. Is there something I'm missing? Cheers, -- Kjoon lee 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah I see. You've got "span.IPA" in your stylesheets while I have ".IPA" only. Maybe you'd want to switch to .IPA..? -- Kjoon lee 21:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
ɡ ʁ ɳ ɮ |
Only the last one displays properly for me, and I currently have my CSS keyed to .IPA. kwami ( talk) 08:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
That was it. Thanks! kwami ( talk) 08:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
If such is the case, why is China's article titled People's Republic of China? Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon ( talk) 14:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, What are you doing? There is NO speaker icon anywhere in the Help:IPA article. At least not on my browser, which is IE7. Do you have a magic browser which translates a superscript (i) into a tiny picture of an speaker?? Morris K. ( talk) 03:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed in this edit that you undid my change in the representation of diphthongs. We can both make a case for our respective choices but I'm wondering how the literature generally represents them phonemically. The only thing I could find is this which doesn't really use IPA but chooses to represent non-vocalic /u/ and /i/ as <ŭ> and <j> respectively. What is your experience on the matter? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
You agreed back in October that transcriptions like /ˈhɑː(r)wʊd/ can be used in articles (see Help talk:Pronunciation/Archive 1#Rhotic vowel formatting), so you have no basis for undoing such transcriptions. Timeineurope ( talk) 17:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This dictionary confusingly uses ā for both /æ/ and /eɪ/. The sound clip resolves the ambiguity of the transcription. Timeineurope ( talk) 21:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your excellent work on the article 511 Davida. You recently brought the mass of 511 Davida into conformity with the observed size based on an "assumed density" of 2.0 g/cm3, but provided no source to explain the assumption about the density, so it's not clear why you changed the mass to conform to the listed density instead of changing the density to conform to the listed mass. Astronomy & Astrophysics 374, 703-711 (2001) indicates the mass of 511 Davida as 3.34 × 10-11 solar masses, much higher than the mass you have indicated. Could you give us some further pointers? -- arkuat (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, beautiful. Thank you very much! I haven't delved into the methodology behind that Astronomy & Astrophysics article or anything, but it's more of a citation than we have for the density estimate. -- arkuat (talk) 05:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I see your point, but I don't agree. On that particular page were listed only the families, not the genera or any subfamilies, so confusion should not occure. I have experienced that "Kartvelian" is rather rare in contemporary literature. It seems to me that it was used more often in the past in old German and English books and articles. Furthermore, you didn't (and for the same reason shouldn't) replace Northeast Caucasian and Northwest Caucasian by "Nakh-Dagestanian" (although this term is still in use today) and "Abkhaz-Adyghe" or "Pontic" (never seen any of them in use nowadays), respectively. So I don't think there's any striking reason to rename the links or even the article. — N-true ( talk) 11:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I understand you undid my edits (Brahmi introduction into subj article) for a good reason. Yet, there is something I would like to know. From the article it is not evident that Evans' knowledge of Devanagari is documented, and not his knowledge of related scripts. I would be glad if you add a reference to devanagari version. At the moment, "triangles for vowels" as an invention of Evans in the article text looks no less strange than the proposal that it was taken from Brahmi. Tar-ba-gan ( talk) 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I think things are moving in the right direction. Thank you.
However, there's still a bit of a problem with the images. (There had been some mention of the Hunmin Jeongeum images, at either Wikiproject Korea or the Korean Wikipedia itself.) The Hunmin Jeongeum Haerye image is fine now, but the Hunmin Jeongeum image needs to be switched to something which is written in Classical Chinese.
Since the latter image has descriptions in Old Hangul, it belongs to the Hunmin Jeongeum Eonhaebon manuscript. (I don't know whether the Eonhaebon manuscript is an edition of the Haerye or not. Sorry...) -- Kjoon lee 22:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami;
Thanks for your contributions to the Sei Whale article. Unfortunately, what you're doing seems logical, to change the name of whales to sentence case, but the issue has been long debated at WikiProject Cetaceans and the standard that has been adopted is to capitalize the common names of whales. It's not a standard that I agree with, but I'd like to ask that you revert your recent capitalization changes and begin a discussion over on that project's talk page before doing any more. I'll support you in your quest to change the standard, but as I understand it, it was a long and acrimonious debate in the past that led to this standard. If you have any questions, please reply here or on my talk page. Thanks, Neil916 ( Talk) 06:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
When I reverted the spelling change, I explained in the edit summary that 'artefact' was correct - the editor who had changed the spelling gave no reason in the edit summary. I'm sure you know as well as I do that guidelines say fill out edit summaries, so why did you revert my rv? -- Doug Weller ( talk) 08:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
What was wrong with the consonant chart how I put it? Munci ( talk) 11:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Now I see it. I accidentally changed the clicks section when I was trying to changed it so that affricates would be separate from the plosives. I have tried to change so I'd sort the clicks as well but the current table doesn't seem to make sense with the clicks because | is used for dental clicks and ! for alveolar yet in the table it uses | for sibilant and ! for non-sibilant. Munci ( talk) 12:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I made it so the clicks are in a separate table. Is this fine? Munci ( talk) 03:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I've never noticed this perception. I thought they were just seen as weird consonants. How about having ejectives separate as well and have thelast as pulmonic since all 3 are different sorts of airstream? Or should it just be figured out to keep all the consonants together?
I only meant about outside perceptions. I did the table again with all the consonants in and footnotes for allophones, variations and rare phonemes. Munci ( talk) 11:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
So why did it say Dental/Alveolar in the original version? Are you happy now? Munci ( talk) 03:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, would you be able to direct me to the relevant part of MoS please? Thanks. + Hexagon1 ( t) 12:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Whether it goes without saying or not, it is wrong. Pemba is part of the Zanzibar archipelago, so to say Zanzibar and Pemba, would be wrong. please see the wikipedia entry on Zanzibar, for clarification:
Zanzibar IPA: /ˈzænzɨbɑːr/ forms part of the East African nation of Tanzania. It is an archipelago in the Indian Ocean 25–50 km (15–30 mi) off the coast, consisting of numerous small islands and two large ones: Unguja (the main island, sometimes informally referred to as "Zanzibar"), and Pemba. Zanzibar was once a separate state with a long trading history within the Arab world; it united with Tanganyika to form Tanzania, and still enjoys a high degree of autonomy within the union. The capital of Zanzibar, located on the island of Unguja, is Zanzibar City, and its old quarter, known as Stone Town, is a World Heritage Site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petridish01 ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Well I have just been in Unguja recently, and many of the locals were offended when you called it Zanzibar. A reference point such as Wikipedia should be aiming to be accurate, not enforce incorrect generalisations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petridish01 ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Kwami you need to think before you make sweeping changes. First, you should not move articles without discussing it first on the articles talk page and without notifying relevant wikiprojects. Second, some of your edits are bordering on NPOV and I may be adding neutrality tags on certain articles. Please talk about edits first as it will avoid problems. Nrswanson ( talk) 02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you blocked 69.54.131.48 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) indefinitely, citing that it is a vandalism-only account. However, guidelines for blocking IP addresses explain that you shouldn't block an IP address indefinitely, especially for single incidents. I'm not aware that this is an open proxy, so I'm assuming this is a mistake, and encourage you to reduce the block to something more appropriate; if you decide not to, you should at least add the necessary templates to the page. -- Haemo ( talk) 21:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. In your latest addition to the Abugida article, you left out a verb, and I'm not sure which one you meant to put in, since it isn't obvious to me how a consonant can have a default vowel, without it being determinable what that default vowel is. — Largo Plazo ( talk) 02:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
You recently added a "local" pronunciation to Laredo, "Lah-reh-dou." Do you mean an English pronunciation, or Spanish? If English, I'm guessing you mean /ləˈrɛdoʊ/ luh-RED-oh, with the only difference from the outsider pronunciation being that the stressed syllable sounds like red rather than raid. Hope this helps. kwami ( talk) 01:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the IPA help. Somedumbyankee ( talk) 03:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Is Rongorongo a script? I notice that you start calling it a script in Etymology and variant names. To meet Tony's objections, I had removed the use of "inscription" in the lead. – Mattisse ( Talk) 22:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I just thought you should probably review User talk:Xenocidic#requesting check for suspected sock puppets and advise. I believe he left it for at least one other admin as well. Thanks, xenocidic ( talk) 17:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to have had to revert you, but the IAU's release states there are only two "plutoids" at present. (Others will be named at a future date.) Cheers. -- Ckatz chat spy 18:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, regarding your revert in semi-syllabary, do you have any citation that zhuyin was originally designed for varieties other than Mandarin? Zhuyin originated in the same commission that was tasked in defining Guoyu (Standard Mandarin in the ROC). Regardless, though zhuyin has extensions for a few other Chinese dialects, it is rarely used to transcribe anything but Standard Mandarin. Lastly, I have a big problem with the way the sentence is currently worded because it promogates the mistaken view that all the varieties of Chinese are one language, which is certainly up for debate. Can we reach some kind of compromise here? — Umofomia ( talk) 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on zhuyin but those extra symbols may have something to do with language change. If you check older Mandarin dictionaries you will occasionally find pronunciations indicated which contain consonants not present in modern Mandarin. I can't for the life of me find the dictionary right now but I am 100% I've seen odd stop finals indicated in an old Mandarin dictionary. Akerbeltz ( talk) 11:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome and yes, I agree. Here's the full ref if you need it (I'm not going to touch the article :b): RH Mathews Mathews' Chinese - English Dictionary (Revised American Edition) China Inland Mission & Presbyterian Mission Press 1931, Shanghai. Mine is a reprint from 1975 though. Akerbeltz ( talk) 19:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Kwamikagami, I need to apologize to you for my hyperlinking of all the years in the Esperanto article. I was wrong in what I did, the MoS says specifically only years relevant to the article should be linked, and most, if not all, of the years mentioned in the article are not relevant whatsoever. Thank you for correcting my mistake. By the way, I have initiated a peer review of the Esperanto article, but so far have not received much feedback. If it is not too much of a bother for you, I would appreciate your feedback on the quality, style, and format of the article. My ultimate goal is to raise it to featured article status. Thanks! TFCforever ( talk) 02:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello User:Kwamikagami,
You’re admin, why are you so threatening and lack politeness [Wikipedia:Civility] to fellow editors? You have extraordinary powers (your have rightly earned) over the majority but you seem to been in many heated 3RR when you should know better.
Your comments against me are unbelievable.
I am upset & appalled at your behaviour towards me. And have been in two minds to report you to the admin.
Thus I propose that we call an end to this behaviour, work towards consensus and discuss our issue in the discussion area using facts and good defences.
My best regards,
Vufors ( talk) 08:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
This is sloppy linguistics. It doesn't matter in a phonemic or phonetic transcription, if we are using IPA and claiming a pronunciation is IPA then only /ɹ/ or [ɹ] is acceptable. Claiming that a transcription is IPA and then using the symbol "r" can only be the alveolar trill. If you want to use a pronunciation with "r" that is fine, but don't label it IPA when it uses the symbol not according to the IPA's definition. Wikipedia does not make its own rules, it follows those established. Azalea pomp ( talk) 05:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I still don't agree with the policy. Wikipedia should not decide how it should interpret IPA. Just because readers may not be familiar, that is not good reason to dumb it down to their level. I could not imagine ever in the linguistics world using the IPA incorrectly for phonology or phonetics. I mean if I used a generic transcription for English such as "r" to mean English r that is fine, but I would not claim I was using IPA, maybe I would say "IPA-based". Yes, "r" in English varies greatly by dialect. English does not have an academy or standard, so I may concede that using an "r" would make it simple, but I would remove the term IPA before any transcription so not to mislead readers. This is why wikipedia gets a bad rap. So, "read", /rid/ may be ok but IPA: /rid/ is not. Azalea pomp ( talk) 15:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to inform you that a warning was left at User talk:SUVx regarding a violation of WP:Wikiquette in one this this editors latest edits in which you called you a troll. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 19:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll concede the point. :) Azalea pomp ( talk) 20:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Before you make any changes to Pahawh Hmong, make sure you have your fact straighten out, because new comers to Pahawh Hmong can be confused. First of all, the one shown on Pahawh Hmong page have 7 Yu (rime) tones, not eight (some Pahawh Hmong uses the eight tones because they do not understand the significance of it) and 19 La sound (I do not know where you got the 20th from); this was the second version and the final product of Yang Shong Lue’s before his death. The third and fourth version, or as many as there exist, are not Yang Shong Lue’s original work. These changes are conducted by people who lacked true understanding of Pahawh Hmong, and therefore they make these changes to confuse the Hmong people since they do not have their own writing system until 1959 (when Shong Lue created Pahawh Hmong). Some of your facts about Yang Shong Lue’s biography or history seem correct but the truth can only be told from Shong Lue’s family and friends who are with him at the time.
My questions to you about Pahawh Hmong: How much do you know about Pahawh Hmong? What does Pahawh mean or translated to be in English? Can you read in Pahawh Hmong? How do you say the United States in Pahawh Hmong? How do you say number(s), Monday, hello, etc. in Pahawh Hmong?
Why do I ask you these questions because I know and can speak the elementary form of Pahawh Hmong (37 yrs after Shong Lue’s death), the language is still being developed, there is no advanced form of it at this point. Only those who learn the second version of Pahawh Hmong can understand my point of view and the truth behind Shong Lue’s struggle for his people; and anyone who have their own writing system will be able to understand this perspective as well.
For those who do not learn the second version of Pahawh Hmong (the one created by Shong Lue), even if they are Hmong or foreigner, they will never be able to find words for the (new or)modern Hmong language, never be able to find definitions, and never be able to translate foreign languages to Pahawh Hmong as accurate as possible, etc.
So next time before you make changes make sure that your facts are accurrate.
Pahawhcentury ( talk) 00:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmong Daw used 19 La not 18. You are right about one thing; the eight Yu does appear in the third and maybe the fourth version; but not in the second version. Instead, the eight Yu is added to the “history” section in the second version because it represents a tone in the Hmong language (the majority of the Hmong population speaks Hmong Daw, it is not necessary). It is not a “must” learn in order to speak to both Hmong Daw and Hmong Njau, that is why it is not included in the Yu and La Pahawh Table in the second version.
And you say that Shong Lue published phajhauj txha. That is wrong. That is probably the fourth version published by some of his “followers” who wanted to reduce the accurate and difficulty in the second version. If you have proof of this, with his hand writing in that final product then I will believe you. Shong Lue did not published any more after the second version. Shong Lue did not want Hmong to be divided. By creating more branches of different writing system, this will occur. He already see farther than the normal man.
You can say all you want about the eight Yu and nineteenth and twentieth La in the third and fourth version. Whether they are true of false, that I do not care, but the second version, please make sure that you have it correct, even if it is about the script and not the religion. That is the reason why I put the second version on Wikipedia because much of the Hmong website about Pahawh Hmong ignored the second version, the most important version.
If you plan to make more changes, please state the difference between the four versions because new comers to Pahawh Hmong will think that they are all the same and that the newer version is “correct.” Anyone can learn which ever one they want as long as it met their needs.
You seem to know a bit about Pahawh Hmong. Why are you interested in Pahawh Hmong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pahawhcentury ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Plutoid this is not same Trans-Neptunian_object. this diff is error. - John Belushi ( talk) 11:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Could you possibly go over there and have a talk with the guy posting at the top of the page? I've tried to answer his questions but he doesn't seem to get what I'm saying and is now bordering on personal attacks. I am really not clear on what he's trying to say. I suspect he may be a creationist but I'm not sure. Serendi pod ous 08:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
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Just don't demand exclusive rights from the Chinese Communist Party. Serendi pod ous 09:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC) |
I admire the way you have hung in there and patiently defended your article at FAC. It looks like you will be rewarded and I am so glad. I really like that article. Regards, – Mattisse ( Talk) 23:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami, I have a question regarding phonemic orthography because you have profound knowledges of linguistics. There are several slow edit wars between two users such as Nanshu ( talk · contribs) and Cypoet ( talk · contribs) over whether Korean language is a good example of phonemic orthography. [20] [21] [22] [23] Well, they don't have any backup sources for their claim though. I briefly looked through information on hangul and Korean language in EncyKorea which says hangul is indeed a good example of phonemic orthography, but since it is from a Korean site, so I don't know how international scholars consider it as such. If you comment on this, I would appreciate your help, Thanks.-- Caspian blue ( talk) 00:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, thanks for your many insightful and well-informed updates to the various Khoisan languages pages. Great work!
WmGB ( talk) 03:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
P.S. How do you find so much great unpublished information? Willing to share your sources with a fellow linguist?
You're welcome. - Agnistus ( talk) 19:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
" Grammar of Modern Standard Hindi"? the seeds of it. Tuncrypt ( talk) 21:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Any way you can take a look at his page, Agim Kaba? The same guy keeps vandalizing the page with strange claims. The IMDB and this biography of him: http://agimkaba.com/biography.htm make no mention of him being Southern Baptist, Jewish, or naming his daughter Shequanda... Azalea pomp ( talk) 14:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, as you have (co-)authored the two articles, I think you might be interested in a critique by a scholar who belongs to reknown Yeniseists. As it is part of my personal correspondence, I cannot reproduce it here, I can only send it to your personal email address which I do not know. But if you look at my signature, you should be able to extrapolate my email and contact me. If you do so, I'll send you what I've got.-- Pe t 'usek petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom 09:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
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I think you deserve a golden fire extinguisher for helping me deal with that misguided revolutionary Serendi pod ous 10:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
For your addition, "Because of this, it will not be visited by the Dawn asteroid mission", you added the following sources:
However, neither states that the Dawn will not not visit Pallas 2. The second says that, "I've heard it's not ruled out that Dawn will be directed to rendezvous with 2 Pallas (for a slow flyby) in 2018, after the main mission at Vesta and Ceres is completed and enough fuel is left." If you read wikipedia the article, you can see that a fly-by is still entirely possible. Thus, unless you have a definitive statement from the mission management, your addition seems questionable.
Kindly correct your statement. Thank you.— RJH ( talk) 22:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
Nice to meet you.
Some people are proposing to close down Xhosa Wikipedia. It is hoped that you could join in to vote and voice your opinion regarding this matter Here. Thanks. -- Jose77 ( talk) 00:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Click this link: Image talk:Rongorongo Z Poike.jpg, at the top of the page, just below the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" it says "View or restore one deleted edit?" Click that link, at the bottom of the page the "View and restore deleted pages" page, there is a section called "Page history" which would basically be the page's history if it wasnt deleted. Click on the time link (called "22:23, March 1, 2008") and there ya go, that is the text that was on the page when it was deleted. Also, if you want to keep it, you can always just copy it to a Microsoft Word document. If you have any other questions, feel free to let me know. « Gonzo fan2007 ( talk ♦ contribs) @ 20:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Kwami, I reverted your recent addition to Writing system because you did not provide any cite to support it. Maybe if you can explain who uses abreviations like "LRTB" and why, it would help. Where have you seen this abbreviation in use? Of course, it's perfectly logical, but if it hasn't been used anywhere, it would be your own original research, which can't be included in Wikipedia articles. Let me know what you think. Cbdorsett ( talk) 14:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I just added over ten scholary references from books into the article on the part you two were debating. Please do not revert it. If you request additional citations please put a "fact" tag and I will see to it. - Cradashj ( talk) 05:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey there.
Careful at Sicani, you're edging dangerously close to using your tools in a content dispute; that's bad mojo. Don't let your temper flare overmuch; I'm looking into probable socking. — Coren (talk) 22:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should change the main page on Diacritics, and get that some consensus on the terminology there before modifying various language pages according to your preferred terms. As of today, the correct terms are either diacritic or diacritical mark, but not diacritic mark. VasileGaburici ( talk) 10:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why you removed the IPA? Lothlerarhlichliarmetlialeta ( talk) 20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
You are mistaken. The dates of the arrivals of the tribes to Sicily is given, and the date of the arrival of the Sicilians on Malta is given. The two of them together clearly highlight that according to the dates, the Maltese could not have been the other tribes. Kyarichy ( talk) 10:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
May I ask how you came to the conclusion that the user was POV pushing?? Kyarichy ( talk) 19:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Until such a time comes when there is evidence to support this claim of sockpuppetery, it is considered a personal attack to express the viewpoint that they "are". By all means, you can suggest I am, and RFCU it, but it is considered bad practise to then assume for sure before given evidence, that I am a sockpuppet of anyone. Due to this, I advise you strictly adhere to AGF, since you are already in gross violation of 3RR on multiple pages as it is.
Anyway, there is a new reference I have left on the mediation page. I suggest you have a look. 78.149.145.54 ( talk) 10:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I just wish I were able to spend a little more time on them; what I've added is hardly adequate! kwami ( talk) 16:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. Could you add a summary of what you've just said to the Macro-Mayan stub? kwami ( talk) 19:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, its Agnistus here. I was wondering if you could do me a favor by using your admin privileges.
Please delete my main user page User:Agnistus. I will be qutting WP completely by July 10 and wish to leave no records of my presence behind. Thankyou. Agnistus ( talk) 11:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with this edit. As far as I'm aware, "Tengwar" is a proper noun, and should be capitalized. Yngvarr (t) (c) 09:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
You probably noticed that someone moved all the help:IPA-xx pages to WP article space. Do you want to keep it like that, or should it be reversed? They may become subject to the recurring original research objections again. − Woodstone ( talk) 20:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Ubangi languages, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.
If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Alinnisawest ( talk) 20:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry but your protestations are absurd. If all you really wanted to do was correct a few typos and whatnot, then that shouldn't have necessitated removing from the lead-in all the material that you did. I was also being very generous when I said that you were manipulating the Theil source. In truth, you gutted it of all reference as to why exactly Theil omitted Omotic from Afro-Asiatic in the first place! Here's your version: Rolf Theil (2006) suggests that, not only is Omotic not Cushitic, but it is not even Afro-Asiatic. And here's my paraphrase of the Theil source: Rolf Theil (2006) demonstrates that, in fact, there are no closer genetic relations between Omotic and Afro-Asiatic than between Omotic and any other language family. You also claim that I manipulated the Theil source, right? That's funny because this is what Theil actually wrote: No closer genetic relations have been demonstrated between OM and AA than between OM and any other language family -- virtually identical to my paraphrase. Causteau ( talk) 10:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
In the language templates, please kindly stop removing "group" from behind the names of subgroups. The word doesn't need to be wikified because it is crystal clear in English--"group" means that it is not a single language. I do this to clarify the difference between a single language as a descendant of a family (as in "Egyptian" and "Ongota" on the Afro-Asiatic page) and a subgroup. There are many smaller language families where the novice isn't familiar with the names and may think that particular names are single languages. I don't know why you object to such a clear and unambiguous usage. ( Taivo ( talk) 13:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC))
Please see the Talk page for Woleaian. I'm afraid you've got some explaining to do. :-( -- Evertype· ✆ 19:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll reiterate: unless you or anyone else is able to source the various claims within, say a week or so, I'm going to be removing it. Claims of the magnitude being made there need to be sourced. You're the one who keep restoring it, so the onus is on you so ensure it lives up to standards. El_C 03:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Back in November you proposed merging sound change and phonological change. No one ever did make a case in favor; I eventually suggested an alternative, and in reponse Alsihler made a reasonable case (so it seemed to me) that the subjects are separate. The proposal is still hanging around, though, even though there's never been a case made in favor of it. Would you be willing to close (or withdraw, if such a thing is within propriety) the proposal? (Alternatively, do you have a case to make in favor of it? I don't see any contributions from you in the discussion.) I mention withdrawing, which I imagine would be removing the merge templates, as a possible alternative to closing because there has never been a talk section specifically about the merge proposal — the discussions that touch on it are not specific to it — so there's nothing to remove to an archive on the specific proposal. Pi zero ( talk) 13:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
doesnt look vertical to me... the words are displayed horizontally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
im just wondering, can this kind mongolian be typed? not the cylliric one because we all know that ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 13:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
As part of the Good Article sweeps conducted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force, I have completed a reassessment of 2 Pallas and placed the reassessment on hold for one week to allow some minor things to be fixed. I am contacting you because you have been a major contributor to the article. The reassessment can be found here. Please contact me with any concerns or questions. Thank you, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 19:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
im positive thats actually the flag of the COUNTRY georgia, so why is it small like the other provincial and state flags. im not trying to be rude here, just pointing it out. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 13:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami. You are doing good and careful work on the language pages. I just realized that I had not been understanding some of the citations you were adding on some of the pages we have both been editing recently. For example, I failed to understand that "(L&M 1996:56):" was a citation as I interpreted it as some sort of esoteric language table cross reference for a table of which I knew not. Sorry for the confustion. I guess the colon threw me, or just the fact that I don't grok IPA and linguistics technical details. I was only trying to get WP to be a better sourced encyclopedia. I added WP standard footnote citations to a couple of articles as an example of how they can be done with the Ladefoged source. See Stiff voice or Slack voice and see what you think. (Respond here as I will follow the thread in just this one place.) N2e ( talk) 13:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
Thank You for Your message. Thank You also for Your patience in waiting for the answer. I release it with heavy heart, because it is necessarily incomplete because of the sophisticatedness of the topic, but I do not want to make You wait longer than a fortnight.
I appended my summary after Talk:Hadza people#removed section, but the detailed answer is on a subpage User:Physis/Spiritual culture of the Hadzabe.
Best wishes,
Physis ( talk) 13:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Move protection of a day's featured article is pretty standard; semi-protection is generally only permitted in instances of extreme vandalism; here it seems you've even fully protected the article? Was that intentional? – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll reply on the talk page. But basically, I don't think there had to be an edit war about this. I am half-guilty too, but can you just please show me the specific sources that can be used to replace the {{ fact}} tags? I can even do it myself. But no one was asking you to rewrite anything. I know that takes time. I think El C just wanted you to replace the citation tags with the refs. Khoi khoi 01:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
As the admin who saw you revert warring with the anon last week, you are hereby warned: if you continue to revert war, you will be blocked without further warning. *** The first sentence of wp:burden places to burden of citing sources on you. I have no opinion as to the disputed content, despite your repeated protests to the contrary. *** And don't misuse your rollback, either, or I will revoke your rollback flag. Thanks. El_C 21:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
So, had I not stepped in, would you and the anon just be reverting each other back & forth, indefinitely? I really don't understand your approach. El_C 21:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Putting all the citations at the end is not good enough. You need to place a citation for each fact tags, so the reader knows: this citation sources this claim, this citation sources that claim, and so on. I just don't understand why you'd choose to do this, on purpose. Thanks again. El_C 21:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as you've been involved at Maltese language with the IP's (and previously with several of his sockpuppets it's transpired), you may be interested in this AN/I thread and this RFCU. It would be very useful to have an admin keep an eye on Special:RecentChangesLinked/Template:Malta_topics who's familiar with the IP's and editors involved for a quick response to this disruption. Many thanks, Knepflerle ( talk) 16:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Kwamikagami. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Ani#User:Kwamikagami. Thank you. Toddst1 ( talk) 19:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Just thought I'd let you know that I redirected Negative evidence to Negative proof. I could be wrong though. Late.-- Woland ( talk) 21:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Kwamikagami,
Thank You for Your answers and patience. I have just answered on Talk:Hadza people#Acknowledging Your version, asking time for Hadza questions, they are more complex that I thought.
The title expresses the essence. I have set my e-mail address in Wikipedia.
Thank You the many care and congratulation on Your knowledge on Hadza language and folklore.
Best wishes
Physis ( talk) 12:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure your additions to Ossetic language are right? The bit about the digraphs needs clarification, at any rate. Aren't the digraphs the combinations with ъ, which are mostly indicated in the IPA with ’ (indicating ejective). Is it possible that the Ossetic ejectives also have lip rounding, so these aren't actually separate phonemes? If not, the digraphs for the lip-rounded versions should be presented. — KCinDC ( talk) 04:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
This is about interntational recognition, limited to Russia as it may be. Justification on the talk page, under one of your entires. The move, if any, should be done via WP:RM, as is the case right now for Kosovo's internatioanl recognition. Best wishes, -- Mareklug talk 12:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, sorry I haven't replied on this until now. I reckon we should mention something about his faith in the lead, though not necessarily in the place you removed the "Muslim" part from. T|he reason for this is that since the lead is meant to summarize the article, and we have a section about him entitled "Theology", then we should mention something about his beliefs. Especially since (reading that section), his faith seemed very important to why he was a scientist: "Ibn al-Haytham attributed his experimental scientific method and scientific skepticism to his Islamic faith. The Qur'an, for example, placed a strong emphasis on empiricism." So I think some summary of that theology section needs to be made in the lead, though I'm not entirely sure that saying "Muslim polymath" is the right way to do that, since it makes no comment as to why that is relevant. What do you think? Any ideas of say a sentence we could add to the lead about his faith? Deamon138 ( talk) 20:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi kwami...if you get bored... you can help out with User:Ling.Nut/ELAS or User:Ling.Nut/ELO. :-) Ling. Nut (WP:3IAR) 12:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
On September 10, 2007, you added the following remark to the Delta Andromedae article:
“ | It has a proper name variously spelled Sadiradra, Saderazra, Sadir Elazra, from its Arabic name الصدر العذراء al-sadr al-adhra'a "Bosom of the Maiden". | ” |
If you could remember your source for this statement I would appreciate it if you'd let me know it. Spacepotato ( talk) 01:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
hey do you have any tones for wu dialect? ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 18:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
i mean diacritics for wu dialect. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 14:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
i was looking for the diacritics for the shanghai and ningbo ones. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 21:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
what im trying to do is trying to figure out how to get zhuyin to be perfectly compatible with shanghainese and ningbo dialect. to do that i needed the diacritics and possibly some extra ltters? im not sure though because i only know a few words. ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure! The only reason I added those is because out of 63 entries only ~8 have images - so I was trying to compensate. Anyways, I am going to submit the Moons of Jupiter for FLC really soon, so if you notice other problems just let me know. Nergaal ( talk) 06:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with dealing with the vandal at 96.247.32.90 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) a few days ago.
Unfortunately, almost immediately after the block you put on 96.247.32.90 expired, he/she started vandalizing articles again, the biggest examples being these edits: 1, 2, 3, sorry to have to bother you with this again, and thanks again for the help. Aoimusha ( talk) 03:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
black is black and white is white..i find no grey..original research is original research..please assume good faith .. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
we usually put "for" first and "against" next..so "support" should precede "criticise"..not the other way.. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
amusement not my problem;) lol..i assumed good faith and neither called you pro russian nor anti r..so , whats the amusement?..my only grouse is that editors must make controversial misquotes AFTER CONSENSUS backing..Personally, I DONT PREFER CHANGING STATUS QUO UNILATERALLY unless i can find RELIABLE NEUTRAL citations that say the opposite.. Cityvalyu ( talk) 08:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Can you please explain why you altered the IPA of the article on South Ossetia? /ɒˈsɛtɪə/ was well-sourced, and even linked to the specific page on the online OED. You removed this, and replaced the reference with a link to the Wikipedia article on the OED. Quite apart from seeming like deliberate misinformation - which I am sure it is not - how on earth does this improve the quality of the article? — Wereon ( talk) 12:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I just noticed the edit you made as some kind of middle-ground between 'propaganda' and 'influence' (on the Maltese people article). I think the former is too aggressive in context and I suppose 'influence' can be misunderstood (I'm not sure who by) as referring to genetic ancestry. Thanks for your suggestion, I think it works well. Kalindoscopy: un enfant espiègle ( talk) 20:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#New_Name, i wanted to make sure you saw this Ijanderson ( talk) 21:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Saturn is listed as having 60, and Jupiter as having 63. Do moonlets count as moons? Nergaal ( talk) 02:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
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The Graphic Designer's Barnstar | |
For your wonderful moon mass charts, I offer the Graphic designer's barnstar. Serendi pod ous 12:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
I was wondering, do you think you could create an enlarged segment of the Jovian chart at, say 100 times magnification so people get an idea of the scale? Thanks. Serendi pod ous 12:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This is one of those annoying definition things. It's not a question of who's right or who's wrong; merely a question of how you interpret the information presented. Right now, unlike with planets, there is no official dividing line as to what constitutes a moon and what doesn't; technically, every speck of dust orbiting in a planet's ring system could be considered a moon. Where one chooses to cut off is pretty arbitrary, so I prefer to simply go with the official count until a more stringent definition is adopted. Serendi pod ous 07:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
OK. This is an official NASA site. Updated December 28, 2007. Not only does it give Saturn's moon count of 60, it also lists the names and designations of every moon discovered to date. I think that's as conclusive as you can get. Serendi pod ous 09:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Anybody knows why S/2000 J 11 might not be on that list? Nergaal ( talk) 02:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry I got a bit tetchy up there, but I do think this issue is important. Serendi pod ous 16:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
how did the phagspa script represent chinese tones without diacritics, i thought there were tones in middle chinese? ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ ( talk) 17:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for letting me know. Odd. I've reuploaded the file. It looks like the list of lakes by area no longer makes use of the graphic in any case; perhaps this is why it was deleted. Since Eyre is a remarkably variable lake, it probably does make sense to include it in the "variable lakes" section and not in the main list. I think my little map shows it at its maximum extent, but I'm not certain. take care Citynoise ( talk) 01:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Kwami. I ask you a favor with your expertise. I created Korean dishes, dalk galbi and Andong jjimdalk and named the articles as following Korean Wiktionary http://ko.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EB%8B%AD However, a stubborn editor named Badagnani ( talk · contribs) insists on altering the spellings to "dak" and "tak" as referring to English Wiktionary. I've seen many wrong info there and even habitually inserted by him such as Samgyetang. Korean Wiktionary is managed by more strict admins on Korean language such as 아흔. Therefore, I believe that the Korean Wikitory is correct on the Romanization for 닭. Could you clarify the Romanization? I've tried to find the usage on the world from 국립국어원, but could not. Thanks-- Caspian blue ( talk) 01:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)