Word of the jour: [1]
Previous words:
S.Twa also indigenous, like Kwisi etc. (Inskepe). Kwisi may have once had cattle?
Articles: Akrafena and Akofena - Merger Tag.
You have placed a merger tag on the above articles in January 2013. Since then there has been no discussion about a merger and I have asked in #Wikipedia-en-help about the merger tags and what should be done. In response to their advice they asked me if I should write to you. If no replies concerning the merger tag, it maybe a good idea that it is either be submitted for an Feedback Request Service or the merger tag removed. Adamdaley ( talk) 03:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Please comment: Scythians: Consensus for the lead section: Iranian people or Iranian-speaking people. Thanks. Zheek ( talk) 10:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yoruba language#Grammar (version of
17:14, 10 March 2013), uses the expression "index of synthesis", whose meaning is not clear to me. I suggest that Wikipedia have an article "
Index of synthesis", and that that reference be wikified to link to that article.
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Wavelength (
talk)
18:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing,
Fouta Djallon, has been proposed to be
moved to either Futa Jalon or Futa Jallon. If you are interested in this discussion, please participate by going to the
disussion page and adding your comments. Thank you.--
A12n (
talk)
04:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Shuswap_Country. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Those are not local sources, one's URL even says "American English"...and the wording of the federal sites seems drawn from the oxford and merriam-webster, which are British and American.......and the Canadian Oxford is in Eastern Canada. The video is a professional model working from a script and is not a local. The sibilant "s" sounds stilted; and the media industry is Vancouver-based and often from the East. Vancouver media mostly get it right.......the cites you give, government of Canada or not, are not authentic sources to me. They're foreign; you might as well use a New Yorker to pronounce it, the way Americans say "Frazhier" instead of "Fraser". Skookum1 ( talk) 16:24, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for the info. Does that work for any language with a language box? Dapiks ( talk) 19:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
You may want to participate in the discussion at Talk:English language#Map problem. A poster there says that English is spoken by a majority of the people of Guyana; so that it should be colored dark blue on the map. I notice it was you who changed it to light blue. — teb728 t c 03:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I understand you do not agree with my recent edits on Dravidian Languages article. But while reverting the edits you did not give any reasons. It has been documented that one of the earliest reference to world Dravida is by Adi Shankara when he called himself Dravida Shishu. There was also an earlier scholar(pre-Shankara) with the name Dravidacharya from whose name the term may have derived. I have not yet been able to find a source which confirms whether it was he was referring to Dravidacharya so I go by the theory that Dravida means a place where three oceans meet. [1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indoscope ( talk • contribs) 06:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
As the creator and primary editor of International Phonetic Alphabet, I need your help. I have no idea how to enter 'sigh-rah' into an article. Please assist.-- Laun chba ller 21:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand why you insist on using the spelling "Jiarongic" and "Jiarong", which are not used by any specialist of these languages, and which look offensive and quite Chinese-imperialistic. Also, by reverting back you deleted some of my corrections. I really don't appreciate.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 21:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I confess that I may not know how to edit and redirect a page, and if you know a proper way to do it please do, but in the process please revert back to the previous version where I added some material (please have a look at the corrected version before reverting it).
I have worked on these languages for more than ten years, and all the people who do research on these languages, including Jackson Sun, Lin Youjing, myself and a few others, all use "Rgyalrong" or "rGyalrong". Ethnologue is not a reliable source. Actually, in the previous version that you deleted, I added a short paragraph explaining the pronunciation of this name.
I insist that "Rgyalrongic" (or "rGyalrongic") is the correct spelling.
The speakers of Rgyalrongic languages preserve complex clusters, and the "r-" is really pronunced. Nobody would insist to simplify the name Rzhev to "Zhev", so why in this particular case insist on using a spelling that nobody uses? Wikipedia, as I understand it, should represent the scholarly consensus, not impose anything new.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 22:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for redirecting to "Rgyalrong languages"! It seems that I don't have the function to redirectmyself, so could you do the same with "Gyalrongic > Rgyalrongic"? Thank you in advance. Rgyalrong is a subgroup of Rgyalrongic in Sun's classification (Rgyalrongic minus Lavrung and Horpa), which I suggest to follow here. A last thing, is it possible to suppress redirection of Japhug, Zbu etc to "Rgyalrong languages"? At some stage when I have time I will write an article for each of these languages.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 06:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm disappointed but not surprised that you've again chosen violating 3RR over advocating for your preferred changes through discussion. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 05:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi!
If you want to know why few sources of information in English about Kotava are founded, watch this article (even by an approximative automatical translating owing to Google). http://fr.scribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-langues-artificielles-dans-la-communication-moderne
Kotava counts a real community of speakers, like only eight or ten other constructed languages. Many original texts and main translations exist, lexicons with some languages (Zulu, Lingala, Swahili, etc.). This group on Facebook can get you a survey. https://www.facebook.com/groups/441199765956571/
Regards. YuraniA ( talk) 09:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Further to this discussion, I hope you noticed that I actually did this edit for you. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 12:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I notice that you removed the pronunciation here. That was sourced from the website of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Do you not think they would know how to pronounce it? But, if you are certain it is incorrect then you presumably know the correct pronunciation, in which case would you mind adding it? Thanks, 86.171.43.180 ( talk) 13:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've blocked you for 72 hours for continuing to edit war on Secular Islam Summit after I declined the case and asked for discussion. The fact that you went in there and reverted again not even an hour after I took this action is unfortunate. Please reflect on whether this is the best way to improve Wikipedia and interact with your fellow editors. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 15:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
For anyone watching this page, here are some unsupported edits that showed up on my watch list and need to be reverted:
Articles for the Rgyalrong languages.
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In chemical elements, we now have the option to add the etymology to the infobox (see for example infobox gold). Could you advise on which phrasing pattern(s) to use? We better do it right first time. Discussion is here. - DePiep ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Porajmos#Spelling. I will now fix the IPA of the article as far as I can. Lguipontes ( talk) 07:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
There's a discussion about hyphenating long-period variable go on. -- JorisvS ( talk) 08:09, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
As for your edits here, Info regarding Urdu as the register of "Hindustani" is found in the following sections already, please don't move it again to lead. Being a Regster of Hindustani was a history, now Urdu is a " South Asian language in the Indo-Aryan branch in the Indo-Euro pean family of languages"! For more, do discuss it at the articles's talk, Thanks. Faizan - Let's talk! 08:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Further discussion to be carried out at Talk:Urdu. Faizan - Let's talk! 15:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Editing and writing something in a specified manner as par wikipedia's instruction requires really hard work, i don't know whether you know it or not (because i think you just believe in reverting other's contribution). I contributed much to Bhojpuri language page for several months, because Bhojpuri is my mother tongue. And for yes sake, i can't provide much sources from different sites because it's not what you can get on every site. There's no official site for this language and often clubbed with Eastern Hindi language under Hindi language. It's still not an official/scheduled language. It's considered a dialect of Hindi. It's never been officially stated as a Bihari language because it's chiefly spoken in more districts (perhaps 20) in Uttar Pradesh and 5 or 6 districts in Nepal, whereas it is spoken in just 7 districts of Bihar. And however, it is not an eastern indo aryan language because it is more similar to hindi than bengali. It's quite different from Bihari languages like magadhi or maithili, as they are more similar to bengali. And about the sample texts, you can get it approved it by any bhojpuri speaker. And i'm sure, you'll get almost same translation as i did of the text as Article1 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You know it, it's quite impossible to provide a citation. But you can get it approved somewhere by any bhojpuri speaker. You can trust me. I'm not here to vandalise the page. I'm here just to promote my mother tongue because it's the only open platform on whole cyber world where i can contribute "something" to my language. For the nastaliq script, first of all let me introduce myself to youI'm Samir from Ballia dist. UP. And we speak Bhojpuri the same way other peoples speak but we write bhojpuri in nastaliq script whereas many people uses Devanagari. PS: Forgive my english and please try to understand, what did i want to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 05:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Which reliable source proves it a Bihari language? Can you show me? (I'm askin' the same way you asked me to provide a source.) I didn't mean what you said. Of course, English is spoken (as a mother tongue) by more peoles in Americas than in England but it's not the same case here. It's quite different. English was brought to Americas (US/Canada) by English peoples whereas Bhojpuri was not brought in UP from Bihar. Actually it is native to a region known as Purvanchal which lies mainly in easter Uttar Pradesh (east of Awadh) and few districts of Bihar, as i mentioned earlier. About Sample texts, why did you delete that? Was that wrong? If you think so, you can ask as many bhojpuri speakers as you want. You'll get the same answer. I can show you, how Bhojpuri is not a Bihari language, In Bhojpuri, if we ask "What is your name"? We'd say, "Tahaar naam kaa ha", in magadhi, "Tor naam ki helthi", in Maithili, "Ahaanke naam ki che", in Bengali, "Aapnar naam ki ochhe", whereas in Awadhi, it is "Tahaar naam kaa hai" and in Hindi, it'll be "Tumhara naam kyaa hai". Now, please you decide, where we should put Bhojpuri? In Hindi variant or eastern variant. Please, get me notified when you are done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
You can trust me. I'm not here to vandalise any page. What could be a more reliable source for a language other that a person who is the native speaker of that language. It's impossible to provide citation for each and every line. How could you expect someone to do so. I'm tellin' you, if i write something with spending lot of time and hard work over it, then it'll not be wrong. Because you've nothing to do with this language. And if something it is, it'll matter to me and it's speakers. Think, if i delete every line of a particular page that really matters to you and ask for a source for each and every line. Could you be able to provide? Please be more liberal and not that much logical because sometime, it is needed. So again, i'm saying, you can rely on me. I can be a reliable source for you because i'm here represent my community. It's completely correct, whatever i had written. You can get it approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 06:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for showing me the basis of your source but it's still unclear whether Bhojpuri is an Eastern indo aryan language. There's no officially published article proving the same fact. Sorry, i don't agree with yer words "one native speaker may say one thing, and another just the opposite", let me prove yer words in the way it means to me. I'd say "Tum has rahe ho" if i've to say "You're laughing" in Hindi, then other speaker would say, "Main ro raha hoon." Didn't you mean it or did you? Well, i know you didn't mean that but how much one could be different from other? A bit deviation but not "just opposite". If someone (a bhojpuri speaker) objects my written words then i'll be able to manage that by having a conversation with him/her. But you do not speak bhojpuri (after talking this much, i came to this conclusion, sorry if i am wrong) then how can you prove me wrong and delete those sample texts.
And about classification, it is mistakenly considered and written by the first writer (on wikipedia) as a Bihari language because it is spoken natively in a few western part of Bihar. And since then it is written every page of wikipedia and from wikipedia to several blogspots as a Bihari language. I've already showed you that it is not similar to other bihari languages. Pls let me contribute something unobjected and without conflict to this page, because it'll not affect you nor any person. Mywikieditbh ( talk) 08:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I have rewritten sample texts but didn't revert yer changes on classification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure. I'll do my best and find out some reliable source to prove you my point. Thanks for discussing. Mywikieditbh ( talk) 03:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Faizan - Let's talk! 07:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I noticed that the layout of our vowel articles is just awful. For example, Near-close near-back vowel has a huge blank portion right in the middle, followed by the 100% wide table. I think the main culprit is {{ IPA chart vowels}}, which is placed above the tables. However, it is completely redundant -- all articles have {{ IPA navigation}} at the botom, which already embeds the former. Since you're an experienced AWB user, would you please make a run of it and remove the offending template from all the vowel articles? No such user ( talk) 07:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
See talkpage at either link, not sure I've spelled that first one right. The second one will redirect to the first one, or the intended first one. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
re this, I'm not the one passing judgment, the Kwak'wala-speaking community are the ones who judged and deemed it unsuitable. I'll wait for OldManRivers to weigh in, I think some of this is footnoted/referenced on the Kwakiutl page. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey dude! As you are one of the forty most active Wikipedians, I just wanted to get some tips on how I can also catch up with you? Faizan - Let's talk! 08:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
position=
parameter doesn't ever help. I think the excising the thing is probably the best course of action.
Van
Isaac
WS
Vex
contribs
09:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
{{IPA chart vowels}}
with nothing. Just remember to actually check all the edits, because AWB does a lot of automatic cleanup stuff, and it isn't always perfect.
Van
Isaac
WS
Vex
contribs
09:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I appreciate your edits on the paragraph explaining the layout issues for SignWriting in Unicode. It's clearer now. I was, however, puzzled why you deleted the next two paragraphs that I had added. Could you leave some further explanation on the talk page? Thanks. AlbertBickford ( talk) 13:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi kwami, I left a note at Talk:Uyghur language#Pronunciation. Best, rʨanaɢ ( talk) 14:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I was a bit surprised by your edits and thought it worth slowing things down and asking for some opinion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Christopher_Ehret_as_a_source_for_Afroasiatic_subjects . I am not going to loose sleep about it, but I find it odd because it seems to me this is a very highly cited author in this area and your sweep of articles mentioning him seems entirely based on his academic titling?-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
(Continued at WP:RSN#Christopher_Ehret_as_a_source_for_Afroasiatic_subjects.)
Hi Kwami. I don't want to get into an edit war over this. But I am really unhappy that you don't honor my request to discuss things on the talk page before reverting again. People might even be divided on the question whether Ehret is a linguist or not. He may not have the formal training, but neither had Bender nor (as far as I know) Blench nor lots of other good and worthy researchers that you don't mind to cite when you happen to agree with their works - therefore you yourself don't take your slogan "let's stick to linguists for linguistic claims" very serious. Fact is that not all linguists, as you claim, reject Ehret, and more to the point, his works have been published in peer-reviewed linguistic books, so they fulfill all the criteria for works to be cited on Wikipedia, alongside with all other duly published works on the matter. I noticed that you are trying to purge all of Wikipedia of the works of Ehret, and that without engaging in any discussion on the matter. This is POV-pushing behavior that is not encouraged on Wikipedia. I'm going to revert your edit one more time. If you then revert again without beginning a discussion first on the page, I will be forced to call in the help of an unbiased admin. Just as an aside: I don't agree with Ehret myself, but I do believe that it is not right to remove duly published sources from Wikipedia entries, just because one doesn't like them. And this is precisely what you are doing right now. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 19:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I just had a quick question, did you mean to remove the Chinese, and Malay/Indonisian sections? Those two were well sourced from what I can see. I may be missing what the issue was with those two. If it is something glaringly obvious that I missed feel free to trout me. Thanks! -- Cameron11598 (Converse) 22:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
[undent] re "dialectical difference" re Nynorsk/Bokmal, I believe they're not considered dialects but separate languages; Nynorsk was formed by combining 5 (or 7?) regional dialects into a new language, and I think it's written up that way in Norwegian legislation. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
How do the templates mess up formatting? The formatting looks fine to me with the templates, and aren't we supposed to let the HTML know when we're writing non-English words? Angr ( talk) 07:53, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Per my request of her, User:Kootenayvolcano has created Sinixt language as what she describes as a stub but which is already a lot more; but it needs the usual infobox, ISO code (if any?), etc. I referred her to you for help making this look like other language pages, but decided to give you a heads-up anyway. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I had a look through it last night; it doesn't say anything about the Ktunaxa now; it did once upon a time, as I recall; that page (the Colville one) is edited/monitored by people from the Colville Rez, might be worth asking on that talkpage. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi there
Last year, you moved this article from Strecker amino acid synthesis to Strecker amino-acid synthesis. Could you tell me why? Thanks! -- Rifleman 82 ( talk) 14:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Rifleman 82 ( talk) 20:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Why did you revert my rewrite attempt? Those edits were perfectly sourced, stylistically relevant and improved the overall quality of the article, especially relating to understanding Proto-Dravidian. You obviously intentionally interrupt my work for some reason. Kindly explain your behaviour or this will become very very ugly as I've put much time in it.-- Dravidian Hero 20:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on File:Sex-based and non-sex-based gender sytems.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content. [4], and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Wikipedia under one of the permitted conditions then:
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. ALH ( talk) 11:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Back when you created Alveolo-palatal lateral approximant and Alveolo-palatal nasal, why did you include certain languages, but not others, even though several were not directly sourced? Maybe you could add your input to User talk:Lfdder#Alveolo-palatals. -- JorisvS ( talk) 14:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
"Templates to auto-respell IPA format" are discussed at
User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 132#Templates to auto-respell IPA format (version of
23:37, 2 May 2013).
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Wavelength (
talk)
00:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I know I'm not supposed to poll but this is ethnolinguistics related and you've done a lot for tribe names and general linguistic corrections for FN and NA articles, of course, so it seemed natural to let you know about it. NB the St'at'imc one can't be "Lillooet" as a cat name, despite the article name (which was changed recently when you (?) moved e.g. St'at'imcets to Lillooet language). The tribal council goes by both Lillooet Tribal Council and St'at'imc Nation; the disadvantage the latter name has is that unless you've been taught you have know way to know that's really pronounced more or less "Slatliumh" like you see in the old maps and histories ("Nlaka'pamux" shows up as Haukamaugh); so though Lillooet people exists as an ethnography article and Lillooet language as a linguistics one, the self-identifier of the main organization of the whole grouping is St'at'imc Nation....though the vintage '70s spelling is still used by the Lower Stl'atl'imx and also the Nequatque Band (D'Arcy). The main thrust of these CfRs is to make them easy to type; not to harmonize them with their main articles, and re the fact that the common usages in media and local publications, unless pointedly ethnographic in nature, don't have the diacriticals (other than the colon in Sto:lo). Wanted to add Sto:lo category several times today to IR redirects but didn't want to spend all that time copy-pasting, which adds up when you're doing dozens of entries...I'll throw this by {{ NorthAmNative}} too; CfD is a kinda quiet place lately.....not that I'm looking for action/opposition LOL. Oh here is the Sto:lo CfR, the other two are immediately above it. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Just pointing out that this hasn't gone unnoticed: [6]. I'm not sure of your reasoning, but it may awake discussions from three years ago. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
[7] The local pronunciation does not may have have a rhotic R. Please provide proof that it does - I am from Worcestershire. I would assume that an encyclopediac entry should use standard British pronunciation and not some very local argot.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk)
02:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
PS: There are three very distinct accents covering the county, from Birmingham to Hereford. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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Fix "pronounced as": François Villon, Khawaja Nazimuddin, Chipewyan people, Oerth, Apparatchik, Pencoed
Khmu people have only you with a registered account, so I ask your advice as to what I should do with the following:
Footnote 8) 'Kha' is the common, though somewhat pejorative, term used for the Austroasiatic tribal people of Northeast Thailand, Laos, and Viet-nam. I use it here because it is common parlance in the literature and for lack of a better term.
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help)Royal Institute of Thailand#1999_edition online has a similar def. 2.
I implore your advice before making any changes to the existing article. Addition of the term would entail changing
Kha from a redirect to a disambiguation, which would then need numerous additions for similar-sounding Thai words with the same transliteration, but a different Thai spellings and meanings. It would also call for an addition to
Racial_slurs#K.
With that out of the way, I could attempt using the single source for the
Holy Man's Rebellion (1901-1902).
As to that, I puzzled as to why Charles Keyes would refer to such as " Millenialism," " Millennialism" or " Millenarianism," when it seems to me a clear cut case of Messianism, given that this particular Holy Man was putting himself forward as the Buddhist Maitreya.
Hold on: I just looked up his tribal affiliation and found these three articles.
Should I just go hide my head?
(I'm vopying this to my talk page; if you reply there, I'll get an email notfication.) — Pawyilee ( talk) 12:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami. "Uranus" ends in an "s," and I was always taught to put only an apostrophe to form the possessive when singular words end in "s." However, when I Googled to find something to support my case, the first three links say that it is now common to include another "s." I wonder if this is a difference between American (me) and British English, or if this is now the case everywhere, but this is the first time I'm hearing about this. Interesting! For reference, this is the fourth most popular link (first one that agrees with me!): http://www.meredith.edu/grammar/plural.htm JustAMuggle ( talk) 03:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
So we got absolutely no feedback on Indic/Devanagari articles at writing systems, and it even got so stale it archived, so it looks like it's up to us on this one. I've done a mock up of the first quarter of an Indic letter article at Ka (Indic), with a template {{ Indic glyph}}, based on {{ Phoenician glyph}}, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether this looks like a good place to proceed from, and also see what you would add in to this guy. I'm currently looking to get feedback on uploading Tocharian letter images, and I've commented out a whole bunch of scripts that would just be continuations of the same sort of content. I watchlist your talk page, the article, and template talk pages, so comment, add stuff, remove stuff, and we'll see if we can start to build this content up. If we can get this one article up to a really full content, it may also give us a good feel on how it compares to the Semitic letter articles, and whether we should actually be doing content forks of some of the script families, like the Devanagari ka article. Van Isaac WS Vex contribs 05:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami! Just wanted to discuss with YOU the origin of Urdu as discussed at Talk:Urdu. I am totally confused. I do not have the time to research right now (just 10 days to go for my first exam), that is why I am better asking you. I have always read and we are always told that Urdu formed through mixing of different languages in the Mughal Army. Later on, it gained popularity in the Mughal reign. In the British period, it replaced Persian as official language, at which Hindus resented and Sanskritised Urdu, renaming it Hindi and advocated the replacement of foreign Urdu with the native Hindi. After Independence, Pakistan standradised Urdu and made it its official language and India made standradised Hindi, its national language. And that is the reason for a small number of Urdu speakers, because it was not a natural language associated with any ethnic group. It was just progressed by Muslims and so it came to be labelled as the common language of all Muslims. There must be something in Taivo’s explanation, but it doesn’t fit into this picture. Our textbooks and dictionaries along with our teachers endorse the idea. To quote an example from our Urdu textbook for class nine (relating to spelling conventions): When a word ends in a long ā sound, there are two ways of writing it down, one is -ā and the other is -ah. For words of Arabic or Persian (which I classify as Western) origin, most words having long ā sound at the end are written -ah, whereas words of Hindi (this is ironical, words in Urdu cannot be derived from Hindi, but think the author(s) meant words of Hindu, i.e., Sanskrit/Prakrit origin, which I classify as Eastern) origin are transcribed with -ā instead of -ah in most cases. Now see, this clearly gives the notion that most words belong to these two categories (my teacher actually said this while telling us the rule, besides dictionaries also list those Urdu words also used in Hindi as being borrowed from Hindi) and this process of eliminating words to each language, leaves few words which do not fit anywhere and could be classified as being a native Urdu innovation. That was my point over there. I hope you have understood my view. What do you think about this? Thanks in advance. Regards.
What are you reasons for removing the Macgregor claim in the origin section of the nsibidi article? Ukabia - talk 18:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I was wondering if you could take a look at ǃKung people? The lead needs some work. At present, it says that "The ǃKung, also spelled ǃXun, are a Bushman people living in the Kalahari Desert in Namibia, Botswana and in Angola. They speak the ǃKung language, noted for using click consonants, generally classified as part of the Khoisan language family." This is a problem in that Khoisan is no longer accepted. I know enough to see that the article isn't right, but not enough to fix it, which is why I'm asking you. 203.118.187.218 ( talk) 04:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree some of it is factually wrong but have you read all the edits. a lot of it is correct and the newest and most up to date information. I think rather than delete what seems to have taken hours if not days to do(finding new images, videos and content) try to integrate what he/she has done with what was there previously. Medicineman84 ( talk)
Why are you writing your post as if I made the edit? The edits were not made by me. I too have written a lot of this Ghana page. It seems the new person is energetic and has found 2013 quality information for example why report the life expectancy at 60 if it is 68 now! Ghana has vastly changed even within the last 2 years due to several factors including oil production etc etc. I think that is what the person who wrote this article tried to reflect.
I don't have the time !! Maybe you can coordinate something! I just found it rude that someone put in what looked like hours of work with one click without fully reading all of it you deleted it all without even starting a discussion. Admittedly the person did the same thing to the work that was there before but still...
Hi, subject that has come up before re India place names, can't recall exact article(s). I'm not sure how many of these there are Talk:Kutenai people, but I've commented there and suggest you should locate all articles you have moved contrary to RM results before others do. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
your argument that aboriginal names are not part of English Wikipedia and "can't be pronounced" falls flat on its face just by a glance at List of place names in Canada of aboriginal origin. Without looking at the articles, tell me how "Cheam" and " Botanie Mountain" are pronounced, or the name of the place I'm from, Shalalth. And re the many ch-names, many are pronounced with "sh", not "ch", and "everyone" knows that. i.e. Chemainus vs. Chezacut, respectively. Then there's Cheakamus, Tsawwassen and Gingolx. Your pretension about all this, like your presumptive dismissal of Kwakwaka'wakw dislike of the term "Kwakiutl", is getting more than tiresome and chauvinistic, it's obstructive and, frankly, more than a bit racist, intentional or not, and will lead to Wikipedia being held in disregard by the peoples whose articles you think you have a right to rename according to how non-natives in other countries THINK is their correct name. Skookum1 ( talk) 11:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm racist because you are incapable of providing English pronunciations for these names? All I ask is that you demonstrate that they've been assimilated into English. I've never argued that a pronunciation should be "obvious", only that an English pronunciation should exist. Yet you keep reverting to this straw man: Are you unable to make a rational arguement? Others have made the same point. I suppose they're racist too? What I'm hearing is that you know best, that you are unable to support your POV, but we should accept it anyway because "racism". I suppose if you don't pronounce Vietnamese place names with their correct tone that makes you a racist too? — kwami ( talk) 22:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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I'm racist because you are incapable of providing English pronunciations for these names? All I ask is that you demonstrate that they've been assimilated into English." All those names HAVE been assimilated into English (and French). I was pointing them out to you, and challenging them to pronounce them "obviously". Sheshatshiu especially ain't obvious, and is very much a real word/name in Newfoundland and Labrador. So is "Mi'kmaq" which is common throughout Atlantic Canada. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I've heard this "Wikipedia knows best" attitude before, and also "if you don't tone down your criticisms you will be punished" invective lots before; in a very notable case, to me, the ridiculous imposition of the endash replacing hyphens on legal names in BC was finally overturned by citations from the enabling legislation for Regional districts in British Columbia, though the MOSite fanatics were snotting their collective noses at the real world, saying effectively "Wikipedia knows best, and WE are Wikipedia". I'm Wikipedia too, and I'm bringing forward facts that are apparently uncomfortable and people don't like hearing them (because it makes them look bad, but that's their fault, not mine) isn't "bombastic rhetoric". Arrogant unilateralism of the kind that brought on all these very-necessary CfDs, backed up now be evasion and denial and a refusal to look at the cites provided, or to admit they are relevant, is what's questionable here, not my style or the extent to which I can quote examples of aboriginal and other names in Wikipedia and around Canada that "are not English and nobody knows how to pronounce them". If I sound heated, it's because I'm getting frustrated with the nonsensical denials and evasions and that way all evidence in support of using these endonyms, which are normal in Canadian English, is just dismissed out of hand by someone whose only line has been "more people worldwide", when that is demonstrably not the case, and when "worldwide" doesn't apply to Canadian English usage. Britons call indigenous peoples "Red Indians" too, that doesn't mean that that should be taken into account when writing Wikipedia, now, does it? Your further diversion about "they should start their own Wikipedias if they want to use their languages" is just so much more evasion; it's also parochial and flies in the face of the very real reality of Canadian usage and practice; Wikipedia's editor community should learn to respect other communities, namely those of indigenous peoples and those who understand their concerns/sensitivities and do not dismiss them as irrelevant "because this is English Wikipedia". because I'm long-winded and detailed doesn't make me "bombastic"....what was bombastic was Kwami's single-minded application of his own feelings to these article names without any discussion or consultation. None of this is "rhetoric" in the sense of "empty words", it's all cogent argument, albeit increasingly frustrated and necessariliy repetitive and more detailed because Kwami refuses to admit to the validity of the cites OR to provide his own for his many personal claims.....and the inane challenge for me to provide an IPA for the English pronunciation of Ktunaxa; that's even IN one of the articles, for pity's sake. It's not my behaviour that should be the issue for the "community of editors", it's Kwami's. And it's the credibility of Wikipedia at large on indigenous topics that's also at stake; if a single editor with archaic, "foreign" views and labels, is allowed to change such stuff with impunity, and the results stand, the need for people from these nations to help expand their coverage and articles will be shut out, as they will view this place as the playground of white people telling t hem what they are and how to speak about themselves. You DO know what "parochial" means, right?? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC) |
For those who are interested, the proposed moves are at:
For all I know, all of the proposed names are assimilated into English and have established English pronunciations. But Skookum has not provided any evidence of that. Using a foreign name in print is not uncommon, nor is code switching for people who know the language, but I suspect that does not make it accessible to many of our readers. IMO "authenticity" takes a back seat to accessibility, commonality, etc., but maybe that's not the consensus on WP. — kwami ( talk) 07:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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You may notice that I've linked your username at WP:ARCA, but don't worry that I'm trying to drag you into something. I'm simply quoting something you wrote in 2010 as part of my request for clarification, since you appeared to be as confused then as I am now. Feel free to ignore it unless you want to chime in. Nyttend ( talk) 18:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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I've tagged Old Southwestern Chinese and raised a query on the talk page, as I was unable to find it in the reference given. Kanguole 12:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. Just to let you know that I've started a new section about your removal of Christopher Ehret from List of linguists at Talk:List of linguists#Christopher Ehret. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:54, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I've responded on the talk page.
I take it seriously when someone accuses me of censorship. I consider your choice of phrasing incredibly loaded, and non-NPOV. I didn't remove the phrase to censor the content, but to remove something that wasn't neutral. Let's discuss this more civilly on the Talk page without resorting to such outlandish statements. Dan0 00 ( talk) 01:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
It's been a while, but I'm making a push to convert the remaining {{ IPA-en}} transclusions to {{ IPAc-en}}. Please keep an eye on Ill-formatted IPAc-en transclusions for a while since I'm not always able to fix improper IPA.
On a related note, I like the idea of using hovering tooltips for pronunciation & etymological information (eg, Ouroboros). Do you have an opinion on this, or know where it should be brought up?
-- deflective ( talk) 22:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I have implemented a version of the tooltip with a big font at Ouroboros. Note that the text in the notes section is also affected (click the [a]). Any thoughts? -- deflective ( talk) 22:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The conversions are now finished. All transclusions of {{
IPA-en}} in articles (including portals) now use {{
IPAc-en}}, the remaining occurrences are in user & talk spaces. Thanks for your help with this.
Once or twice a month from now on, I'll convert newly introduced {{ IPA-en}} transclusions. -- deflective ( talk) 19:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that you reverted my edit on the grounds that your computer did not at the time have a font with the glyph concerned, even though the character which is found in the Kangxi Dictionary, and has been in Unicode for about two decades (see http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=%E3%93%BE ). Replacing well established characters with images, gives the misleading impression that there is non easy way to use a character, however articles should embody good practice, following ISO 10646 is well established in wikipedia. The reference given for the same character also uses U+34FE 㓾 ⿰犀刂 (see http://hakka.dict.edu.tw/hakkadict/result_detail.jsp?n_no=1118&soundtype=0&sample=%E3%93%BE ). The correct solution in such a case is to install a font with complete ExtA in it, see List_of_CJK_fonts which has for example http://fonts.jp/hanazono/ download link http://sourceforge.jp/projects/hanazono-font/releases/ . Please by all means add a footnote telling people how to resolve such a problem by downloading a font. Johnkn63 ( talk) 23:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I read the reference. The Italian language is spoken by 55 million of people (natives) and 61 million of people (Total) Italian (Ethnologue) . According to Ethnologue Venetian Venetian (Ethnologue), Lombard Lombard (Ethnologue) and Neapolitan Neapolitan (Ethnologue) have less speakers than what the article says. Therefore please pay attention to changes you revert. -- Walter J. Rotelmayer ( talk) 17:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Paragraph 2 of the article "
Southern Ndebele language" (version of
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Ndebele dialect is closer to
Zulu than other Nguni dialects". Does that mean "Northern Ndebele is closer to Zulu than it [Northern Ndebele] is to other Nguni dialects" or does it mean "Northern Ndebele is closer to Zulu than other Nguni dialects are to Zulu"?
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Hello Kwami. If you can find the time, could you look at Eurasiatic languages? There are some details there that need attention, as noted in edit summaries. Thanks. 203.118.187.94 ( talk) 00:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami, you should have seen a red notification square twice already when your name was linked, but just in case, there is a discussion about your latest moves counter RM results at Talk:Ji-Lu Mandarin. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings, Kwamikagami! I wanted to ask you about your recent reverting of my edits on the language isolates page. To be honest, I could seriously care less about you deleting the mention of the Indo-European proposal, as that's obviously a fringe theory put forth by a quite nationalistic linguist. However, why don't you consider Bengtson a reliable source? He's a renowned American linguist, and I was simply quoting a proposal that he happened to put forward. I know that you might not accept the Dene-Caucasian proposal (I don't either, just putting that out there), but I know that a number of linguists do, and many of them consider this to be a valid hypothesis. Wikipedia is supposed to be an all-encompassing, non-biased encyclopedia, and it should include a broad range of opinions and speculations. -- Lisztrachmaninovfan ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
All the redirects listed in this page are in danger of being deleted because of your practice of creating () pages. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 00:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
"Let me know when I can fix them". What a strange question - a quick check of Lahnda language () would have told you that they required immediate fixing. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 11:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you changed the page name of Gronings into Gronings dialect. I think that Groningen dialect or Groningen Low Saxon is a better name. In English no one would ever say the word Gronings, but rather "Groningen dialect"/"Groningen language"/"Groningen (Low) Saxon", referring to the name of the province, similar to "Yorkshire dialect", rather than "Yorkshirian dialect" or something. I prefer the name Groningen Low Saxon, since the word dialect has a negative connotation and to reiterate that Gronings is not a dialect of Dutch, but a variety of Low Saxon. Grönneger 1 ( talk) 14:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
hey thanks for reverting the dravidian language section but the thing here is to give the reader authenticated version of the topic may i know where are you from ?? and tell me the reasons to change to the previous versions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alurujaya ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC) User:Alurujaya ( talk) 14:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I invite you to feedback on my views in Talk:List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations, I'm encouraging all involved since January to do so. Adam37 ( talk) 10:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi! Some of your removings of links are mistaken.
The Kotava encyclopaedia counts 2176 real articles, for example:
And the Wikikrenteem website, dedicated to the literature, original texts and translations in Kotava is a rich and very interesting resource. Examples:
I'm sorry but these links are not fakes! - Wikimistusik ( talk) 21:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Even though the the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably, Tajik and Dari are correctly called Iranic languages rather than "Iranian" languages. See here: [15].
The original author was correct in using Iranic in the article.
By analogy, Burmese, Thai and Lao alphabets are Indic scripts but not "Indian" scripts. See e.g. here: Help:Multilingual support (Indic).
Regards, kashmiri TALK 18:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
The doma ruling is complicated that's why it was put as recognized by federal law only. A couple married in Massachusetts moving to Alabama would still have most of the federal benefits and would still have federal recognition of their marriage. Here's Lyle from SCOTUS Blog
"With the demise of the Defense of Marriage Act’s benefits ban in Section 3, for legally married gays and lesbians, the Court immediately — even if inadvertently — gave rise to a situation in which couples living in states that will not allow them to marry because they are homosexuals will still be able to qualify for federal benefits, many of which are handed out or managed by state governments"
http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/opinions-recap-giant-step-for-gay-marriage/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Predictor92 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Denmark's situation is different than this situation. The courts ruling makes the ruling more similar to the current situation in Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten at a certain level with the exception of no state registration(again we are talking about federal level here)
Please, see that conversation Talk:Mfecane#The click consonant representation in IPA. -- Mahmudmasri ( talk) 00:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
HI. You participated in a recent discussion that was referenced in another recent discussion. That current discussion is at WT:LEAD#MOS:BOLDTITLE and its application to specific situations, further concerning that general policy application. You may be interested in the new discussion, as it directly applies to your previous issue for which there was insufficient input for consensus. – 2001:db8:: ( rfc | diff) 12:52 am, Today (UTC−4)
I am disappointed by your latest edits in Jilu Mandarin and Jiaoliao Mandarin. In the MOS talk page, one of the few things in which all people agreed was that the article text should use the same spelling as the article title. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 20:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I know you are very eager to bump up your edit count by any means. However I do think you should go a little slower and check results. I have already corrected three language pages tonight. fyi {{ e17}} generates a reference. As you inserted into Samarokena language, Sumeri language and South Bolivian Quechua. John of Cromer ( talk) mytime= Sat 21:55, wikitime= 20:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
When did you decide that Mon-Khmer is another name for Austro-Asiatic? Are you a linguist? Ethnologue.com has constructed the Vietnamese family tree. If Austro-Asiatic and Mon-khmer are the same, then Ethnologue.com would have put either one in the family tree. http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/vietnamese
Sonic99 ( talk) 00:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, why did you revert my changes to the example English words? They are closer to the target sounds than the original examples, after all. Dougg ( talk) 01:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
That's true, but wrt to indicating a retroflex pronunciation, nothing works for Australian English, certainly not 'strudle' and 'drew'! But Australian's are familiar enough with US English to get it through reference to it, which is why I added the footnote as well. Dougg ( talk) 05:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't know what these 'English templates' are, or how to find them (so many of WP's tools are hard to find). Can you be a bit more explicit about what you're suggestion, thanks? Dougg ( talk) 12:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I searched and found 'Template:Australian English', if that's what you were referring to. That got me to the manual of style section on pronunciation and respellings. I then lost interest. It seems self-evident to me that 'strudle' and 'drew' are very misleading ways of indicating how to pronounce a retroflex stop, whereas referring to the US pronunciation of words such as 'card, partner' gets us as close as we can get with English, and is very familiar to all Australians. Many learner's guides to Australian languages use this kind of comparison, for example 'card, girl, burn', to get people on the road to a decent pronunciation. Dougg ( talk) 13:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Word of the jour: [1]
Previous words:
S.Twa also indigenous, like Kwisi etc. (Inskepe). Kwisi may have once had cattle?
Articles: Akrafena and Akofena - Merger Tag.
You have placed a merger tag on the above articles in January 2013. Since then there has been no discussion about a merger and I have asked in #Wikipedia-en-help about the merger tags and what should be done. In response to their advice they asked me if I should write to you. If no replies concerning the merger tag, it maybe a good idea that it is either be submitted for an Feedback Request Service or the merger tag removed. Adamdaley ( talk) 03:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Please comment: Scythians: Consensus for the lead section: Iranian people or Iranian-speaking people. Thanks. Zheek ( talk) 10:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yoruba language#Grammar (version of
17:14, 10 March 2013), uses the expression "index of synthesis", whose meaning is not clear to me. I suggest that Wikipedia have an article "
Index of synthesis", and that that reference be wikified to link to that article.
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Please see Talk:Shuswap_Country. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Those are not local sources, one's URL even says "American English"...and the wording of the federal sites seems drawn from the oxford and merriam-webster, which are British and American.......and the Canadian Oxford is in Eastern Canada. The video is a professional model working from a script and is not a local. The sibilant "s" sounds stilted; and the media industry is Vancouver-based and often from the East. Vancouver media mostly get it right.......the cites you give, government of Canada or not, are not authentic sources to me. They're foreign; you might as well use a New Yorker to pronounce it, the way Americans say "Frazhier" instead of "Fraser". Skookum1 ( talk) 16:24, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for the info. Does that work for any language with a language box? Dapiks ( talk) 19:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
You may want to participate in the discussion at Talk:English language#Map problem. A poster there says that English is spoken by a majority of the people of Guyana; so that it should be colored dark blue on the map. I notice it was you who changed it to light blue. — teb728 t c 03:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I understand you do not agree with my recent edits on Dravidian Languages article. But while reverting the edits you did not give any reasons. It has been documented that one of the earliest reference to world Dravida is by Adi Shankara when he called himself Dravida Shishu. There was also an earlier scholar(pre-Shankara) with the name Dravidacharya from whose name the term may have derived. I have not yet been able to find a source which confirms whether it was he was referring to Dravidacharya so I go by the theory that Dravida means a place where three oceans meet. [1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indoscope ( talk • contribs) 06:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
As the creator and primary editor of International Phonetic Alphabet, I need your help. I have no idea how to enter 'sigh-rah' into an article. Please assist.-- Laun chba ller 21:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand why you insist on using the spelling "Jiarongic" and "Jiarong", which are not used by any specialist of these languages, and which look offensive and quite Chinese-imperialistic. Also, by reverting back you deleted some of my corrections. I really don't appreciate.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 21:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I confess that I may not know how to edit and redirect a page, and if you know a proper way to do it please do, but in the process please revert back to the previous version where I added some material (please have a look at the corrected version before reverting it).
I have worked on these languages for more than ten years, and all the people who do research on these languages, including Jackson Sun, Lin Youjing, myself and a few others, all use "Rgyalrong" or "rGyalrong". Ethnologue is not a reliable source. Actually, in the previous version that you deleted, I added a short paragraph explaining the pronunciation of this name.
I insist that "Rgyalrongic" (or "rGyalrongic") is the correct spelling.
The speakers of Rgyalrongic languages preserve complex clusters, and the "r-" is really pronunced. Nobody would insist to simplify the name Rzhev to "Zhev", so why in this particular case insist on using a spelling that nobody uses? Wikipedia, as I understand it, should represent the scholarly consensus, not impose anything new.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 22:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for redirecting to "Rgyalrong languages"! It seems that I don't have the function to redirectmyself, so could you do the same with "Gyalrongic > Rgyalrongic"? Thank you in advance. Rgyalrong is a subgroup of Rgyalrongic in Sun's classification (Rgyalrongic minus Lavrung and Horpa), which I suggest to follow here. A last thing, is it possible to suppress redirection of Japhug, Zbu etc to "Rgyalrong languages"? At some stage when I have time I will write an article for each of these languages.
Rgyalrongskad ( talk) 06:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm disappointed but not surprised that you've again chosen violating 3RR over advocating for your preferred changes through discussion. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 05:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi!
If you want to know why few sources of information in English about Kotava are founded, watch this article (even by an approximative automatical translating owing to Google). http://fr.scribd.com/doc/130318117/PVM-Dakteks-Klaba-FR-Le-paradoxe-des-langues-artificielles-dans-la-communication-moderne
Kotava counts a real community of speakers, like only eight or ten other constructed languages. Many original texts and main translations exist, lexicons with some languages (Zulu, Lingala, Swahili, etc.). This group on Facebook can get you a survey. https://www.facebook.com/groups/441199765956571/
Regards. YuraniA ( talk) 09:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Further to this discussion, I hope you noticed that I actually did this edit for you. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 12:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I notice that you removed the pronunciation here. That was sourced from the website of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Do you not think they would know how to pronounce it? But, if you are certain it is incorrect then you presumably know the correct pronunciation, in which case would you mind adding it? Thanks, 86.171.43.180 ( talk) 13:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've blocked you for 72 hours for continuing to edit war on Secular Islam Summit after I declined the case and asked for discussion. The fact that you went in there and reverted again not even an hour after I took this action is unfortunate. Please reflect on whether this is the best way to improve Wikipedia and interact with your fellow editors. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 15:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
For anyone watching this page, here are some unsupported edits that showed up on my watch list and need to be reverted:
Articles for the Rgyalrong languages.
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 82.132.229.195 ( talk) 06:38, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
In chemical elements, we now have the option to add the etymology to the infobox (see for example infobox gold). Could you advise on which phrasing pattern(s) to use? We better do it right first time. Discussion is here. - DePiep ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Porajmos#Spelling. I will now fix the IPA of the article as far as I can. Lguipontes ( talk) 07:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
There's a discussion about hyphenating long-period variable go on. -- JorisvS ( talk) 08:09, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
As for your edits here, Info regarding Urdu as the register of "Hindustani" is found in the following sections already, please don't move it again to lead. Being a Regster of Hindustani was a history, now Urdu is a " South Asian language in the Indo-Aryan branch in the Indo-Euro pean family of languages"! For more, do discuss it at the articles's talk, Thanks. Faizan - Let's talk! 08:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Further discussion to be carried out at Talk:Urdu. Faizan - Let's talk! 15:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Editing and writing something in a specified manner as par wikipedia's instruction requires really hard work, i don't know whether you know it or not (because i think you just believe in reverting other's contribution). I contributed much to Bhojpuri language page for several months, because Bhojpuri is my mother tongue. And for yes sake, i can't provide much sources from different sites because it's not what you can get on every site. There's no official site for this language and often clubbed with Eastern Hindi language under Hindi language. It's still not an official/scheduled language. It's considered a dialect of Hindi. It's never been officially stated as a Bihari language because it's chiefly spoken in more districts (perhaps 20) in Uttar Pradesh and 5 or 6 districts in Nepal, whereas it is spoken in just 7 districts of Bihar. And however, it is not an eastern indo aryan language because it is more similar to hindi than bengali. It's quite different from Bihari languages like magadhi or maithili, as they are more similar to bengali. And about the sample texts, you can get it approved it by any bhojpuri speaker. And i'm sure, you'll get almost same translation as i did of the text as Article1 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You know it, it's quite impossible to provide a citation. But you can get it approved somewhere by any bhojpuri speaker. You can trust me. I'm not here to vandalise the page. I'm here just to promote my mother tongue because it's the only open platform on whole cyber world where i can contribute "something" to my language. For the nastaliq script, first of all let me introduce myself to youI'm Samir from Ballia dist. UP. And we speak Bhojpuri the same way other peoples speak but we write bhojpuri in nastaliq script whereas many people uses Devanagari. PS: Forgive my english and please try to understand, what did i want to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 05:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Which reliable source proves it a Bihari language? Can you show me? (I'm askin' the same way you asked me to provide a source.) I didn't mean what you said. Of course, English is spoken (as a mother tongue) by more peoles in Americas than in England but it's not the same case here. It's quite different. English was brought to Americas (US/Canada) by English peoples whereas Bhojpuri was not brought in UP from Bihar. Actually it is native to a region known as Purvanchal which lies mainly in easter Uttar Pradesh (east of Awadh) and few districts of Bihar, as i mentioned earlier. About Sample texts, why did you delete that? Was that wrong? If you think so, you can ask as many bhojpuri speakers as you want. You'll get the same answer. I can show you, how Bhojpuri is not a Bihari language, In Bhojpuri, if we ask "What is your name"? We'd say, "Tahaar naam kaa ha", in magadhi, "Tor naam ki helthi", in Maithili, "Ahaanke naam ki che", in Bengali, "Aapnar naam ki ochhe", whereas in Awadhi, it is "Tahaar naam kaa hai" and in Hindi, it'll be "Tumhara naam kyaa hai". Now, please you decide, where we should put Bhojpuri? In Hindi variant or eastern variant. Please, get me notified when you are done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
You can trust me. I'm not here to vandalise any page. What could be a more reliable source for a language other that a person who is the native speaker of that language. It's impossible to provide citation for each and every line. How could you expect someone to do so. I'm tellin' you, if i write something with spending lot of time and hard work over it, then it'll not be wrong. Because you've nothing to do with this language. And if something it is, it'll matter to me and it's speakers. Think, if i delete every line of a particular page that really matters to you and ask for a source for each and every line. Could you be able to provide? Please be more liberal and not that much logical because sometime, it is needed. So again, i'm saying, you can rely on me. I can be a reliable source for you because i'm here represent my community. It's completely correct, whatever i had written. You can get it approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 06:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for showing me the basis of your source but it's still unclear whether Bhojpuri is an Eastern indo aryan language. There's no officially published article proving the same fact. Sorry, i don't agree with yer words "one native speaker may say one thing, and another just the opposite", let me prove yer words in the way it means to me. I'd say "Tum has rahe ho" if i've to say "You're laughing" in Hindi, then other speaker would say, "Main ro raha hoon." Didn't you mean it or did you? Well, i know you didn't mean that but how much one could be different from other? A bit deviation but not "just opposite". If someone (a bhojpuri speaker) objects my written words then i'll be able to manage that by having a conversation with him/her. But you do not speak bhojpuri (after talking this much, i came to this conclusion, sorry if i am wrong) then how can you prove me wrong and delete those sample texts.
And about classification, it is mistakenly considered and written by the first writer (on wikipedia) as a Bihari language because it is spoken natively in a few western part of Bihar. And since then it is written every page of wikipedia and from wikipedia to several blogspots as a Bihari language. I've already showed you that it is not similar to other bihari languages. Pls let me contribute something unobjected and without conflict to this page, because it'll not affect you nor any person. Mywikieditbh ( talk) 08:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I have rewritten sample texts but didn't revert yer changes on classification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mywikieditbh ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure. I'll do my best and find out some reliable source to prove you my point. Thanks for discussing. Mywikieditbh ( talk) 03:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Faizan - Let's talk! 07:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I noticed that the layout of our vowel articles is just awful. For example, Near-close near-back vowel has a huge blank portion right in the middle, followed by the 100% wide table. I think the main culprit is {{ IPA chart vowels}}, which is placed above the tables. However, it is completely redundant -- all articles have {{ IPA navigation}} at the botom, which already embeds the former. Since you're an experienced AWB user, would you please make a run of it and remove the offending template from all the vowel articles? No such user ( talk) 07:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
See talkpage at either link, not sure I've spelled that first one right. The second one will redirect to the first one, or the intended first one. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
re this, I'm not the one passing judgment, the Kwak'wala-speaking community are the ones who judged and deemed it unsuitable. I'll wait for OldManRivers to weigh in, I think some of this is footnoted/referenced on the Kwakiutl page. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey dude! As you are one of the forty most active Wikipedians, I just wanted to get some tips on how I can also catch up with you? Faizan - Let's talk! 08:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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{{IPA chart vowels}}
with nothing. Just remember to actually check all the edits, because AWB does a lot of automatic cleanup stuff, and it isn't always perfect.
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Hi! I appreciate your edits on the paragraph explaining the layout issues for SignWriting in Unicode. It's clearer now. I was, however, puzzled why you deleted the next two paragraphs that I had added. Could you leave some further explanation on the talk page? Thanks. AlbertBickford ( talk) 13:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi kwami, I left a note at Talk:Uyghur language#Pronunciation. Best, rʨanaɢ ( talk) 14:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I was a bit surprised by your edits and thought it worth slowing things down and asking for some opinion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Christopher_Ehret_as_a_source_for_Afroasiatic_subjects . I am not going to loose sleep about it, but I find it odd because it seems to me this is a very highly cited author in this area and your sweep of articles mentioning him seems entirely based on his academic titling?-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 20:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
(Continued at WP:RSN#Christopher_Ehret_as_a_source_for_Afroasiatic_subjects.)
Hi Kwami. I don't want to get into an edit war over this. But I am really unhappy that you don't honor my request to discuss things on the talk page before reverting again. People might even be divided on the question whether Ehret is a linguist or not. He may not have the formal training, but neither had Bender nor (as far as I know) Blench nor lots of other good and worthy researchers that you don't mind to cite when you happen to agree with their works - therefore you yourself don't take your slogan "let's stick to linguists for linguistic claims" very serious. Fact is that not all linguists, as you claim, reject Ehret, and more to the point, his works have been published in peer-reviewed linguistic books, so they fulfill all the criteria for works to be cited on Wikipedia, alongside with all other duly published works on the matter. I noticed that you are trying to purge all of Wikipedia of the works of Ehret, and that without engaging in any discussion on the matter. This is POV-pushing behavior that is not encouraged on Wikipedia. I'm going to revert your edit one more time. If you then revert again without beginning a discussion first on the page, I will be forced to call in the help of an unbiased admin. Just as an aside: I don't agree with Ehret myself, but I do believe that it is not right to remove duly published sources from Wikipedia entries, just because one doesn't like them. And this is precisely what you are doing right now. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 19:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I just had a quick question, did you mean to remove the Chinese, and Malay/Indonisian sections? Those two were well sourced from what I can see. I may be missing what the issue was with those two. If it is something glaringly obvious that I missed feel free to trout me. Thanks! -- Cameron11598 (Converse) 22:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
[undent] re "dialectical difference" re Nynorsk/Bokmal, I believe they're not considered dialects but separate languages; Nynorsk was formed by combining 5 (or 7?) regional dialects into a new language, and I think it's written up that way in Norwegian legislation. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
How do the templates mess up formatting? The formatting looks fine to me with the templates, and aren't we supposed to let the HTML know when we're writing non-English words? Angr ( talk) 07:53, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Per my request of her, User:Kootenayvolcano has created Sinixt language as what she describes as a stub but which is already a lot more; but it needs the usual infobox, ISO code (if any?), etc. I referred her to you for help making this look like other language pages, but decided to give you a heads-up anyway. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I had a look through it last night; it doesn't say anything about the Ktunaxa now; it did once upon a time, as I recall; that page (the Colville one) is edited/monitored by people from the Colville Rez, might be worth asking on that talkpage. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi there
Last year, you moved this article from Strecker amino acid synthesis to Strecker amino-acid synthesis. Could you tell me why? Thanks! -- Rifleman 82 ( talk) 14:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Rifleman 82 ( talk) 20:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Why did you revert my rewrite attempt? Those edits were perfectly sourced, stylistically relevant and improved the overall quality of the article, especially relating to understanding Proto-Dravidian. You obviously intentionally interrupt my work for some reason. Kindly explain your behaviour or this will become very very ugly as I've put much time in it.-- Dravidian Hero 20:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on File:Sex-based and non-sex-based gender sytems.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content. [4], and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Wikipedia under one of the permitted conditions then:
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. ALH ( talk) 11:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Back when you created Alveolo-palatal lateral approximant and Alveolo-palatal nasal, why did you include certain languages, but not others, even though several were not directly sourced? Maybe you could add your input to User talk:Lfdder#Alveolo-palatals. -- JorisvS ( talk) 14:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
"Templates to auto-respell IPA format" are discussed at
User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 132#Templates to auto-respell IPA format (version of
23:37, 2 May 2013).
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Wavelength (
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I know I'm not supposed to poll but this is ethnolinguistics related and you've done a lot for tribe names and general linguistic corrections for FN and NA articles, of course, so it seemed natural to let you know about it. NB the St'at'imc one can't be "Lillooet" as a cat name, despite the article name (which was changed recently when you (?) moved e.g. St'at'imcets to Lillooet language). The tribal council goes by both Lillooet Tribal Council and St'at'imc Nation; the disadvantage the latter name has is that unless you've been taught you have know way to know that's really pronounced more or less "Slatliumh" like you see in the old maps and histories ("Nlaka'pamux" shows up as Haukamaugh); so though Lillooet people exists as an ethnography article and Lillooet language as a linguistics one, the self-identifier of the main organization of the whole grouping is St'at'imc Nation....though the vintage '70s spelling is still used by the Lower Stl'atl'imx and also the Nequatque Band (D'Arcy). The main thrust of these CfRs is to make them easy to type; not to harmonize them with their main articles, and re the fact that the common usages in media and local publications, unless pointedly ethnographic in nature, don't have the diacriticals (other than the colon in Sto:lo). Wanted to add Sto:lo category several times today to IR redirects but didn't want to spend all that time copy-pasting, which adds up when you're doing dozens of entries...I'll throw this by {{ NorthAmNative}} too; CfD is a kinda quiet place lately.....not that I'm looking for action/opposition LOL. Oh here is the Sto:lo CfR, the other two are immediately above it. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Just pointing out that this hasn't gone unnoticed: [6]. I'm not sure of your reasoning, but it may awake discussions from three years ago. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
[7] The local pronunciation does not may have have a rhotic R. Please provide proof that it does - I am from Worcestershire. I would assume that an encyclopediac entry should use standard British pronunciation and not some very local argot.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
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PS: There are three very distinct accents covering the county, from Birmingham to Hereford. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Dravidian Hero 05:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Fix "pronounced as": François Villon, Khawaja Nazimuddin, Chipewyan people, Oerth, Apparatchik, Pencoed
Khmu people have only you with a registered account, so I ask your advice as to what I should do with the following:
Footnote 8) 'Kha' is the common, though somewhat pejorative, term used for the Austroasiatic tribal people of Northeast Thailand, Laos, and Viet-nam. I use it here because it is common parlance in the literature and for lack of a better term.
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help)Royal Institute of Thailand#1999_edition online has a similar def. 2.
I implore your advice before making any changes to the existing article. Addition of the term would entail changing
Kha from a redirect to a disambiguation, which would then need numerous additions for similar-sounding Thai words with the same transliteration, but a different Thai spellings and meanings. It would also call for an addition to
Racial_slurs#K.
With that out of the way, I could attempt using the single source for the
Holy Man's Rebellion (1901-1902).
As to that, I puzzled as to why Charles Keyes would refer to such as " Millenialism," " Millennialism" or " Millenarianism," when it seems to me a clear cut case of Messianism, given that this particular Holy Man was putting himself forward as the Buddhist Maitreya.
Hold on: I just looked up his tribal affiliation and found these three articles.
Should I just go hide my head?
(I'm vopying this to my talk page; if you reply there, I'll get an email notfication.) — Pawyilee ( talk) 12:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami. "Uranus" ends in an "s," and I was always taught to put only an apostrophe to form the possessive when singular words end in "s." However, when I Googled to find something to support my case, the first three links say that it is now common to include another "s." I wonder if this is a difference between American (me) and British English, or if this is now the case everywhere, but this is the first time I'm hearing about this. Interesting! For reference, this is the fourth most popular link (first one that agrees with me!): http://www.meredith.edu/grammar/plural.htm JustAMuggle ( talk) 03:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
So we got absolutely no feedback on Indic/Devanagari articles at writing systems, and it even got so stale it archived, so it looks like it's up to us on this one. I've done a mock up of the first quarter of an Indic letter article at Ka (Indic), with a template {{ Indic glyph}}, based on {{ Phoenician glyph}}, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether this looks like a good place to proceed from, and also see what you would add in to this guy. I'm currently looking to get feedback on uploading Tocharian letter images, and I've commented out a whole bunch of scripts that would just be continuations of the same sort of content. I watchlist your talk page, the article, and template talk pages, so comment, add stuff, remove stuff, and we'll see if we can start to build this content up. If we can get this one article up to a really full content, it may also give us a good feel on how it compares to the Semitic letter articles, and whether we should actually be doing content forks of some of the script families, like the Devanagari ka article. Van Isaac WS Vex contribs 05:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami! Just wanted to discuss with YOU the origin of Urdu as discussed at Talk:Urdu. I am totally confused. I do not have the time to research right now (just 10 days to go for my first exam), that is why I am better asking you. I have always read and we are always told that Urdu formed through mixing of different languages in the Mughal Army. Later on, it gained popularity in the Mughal reign. In the British period, it replaced Persian as official language, at which Hindus resented and Sanskritised Urdu, renaming it Hindi and advocated the replacement of foreign Urdu with the native Hindi. After Independence, Pakistan standradised Urdu and made it its official language and India made standradised Hindi, its national language. And that is the reason for a small number of Urdu speakers, because it was not a natural language associated with any ethnic group. It was just progressed by Muslims and so it came to be labelled as the common language of all Muslims. There must be something in Taivo’s explanation, but it doesn’t fit into this picture. Our textbooks and dictionaries along with our teachers endorse the idea. To quote an example from our Urdu textbook for class nine (relating to spelling conventions): When a word ends in a long ā sound, there are two ways of writing it down, one is -ā and the other is -ah. For words of Arabic or Persian (which I classify as Western) origin, most words having long ā sound at the end are written -ah, whereas words of Hindi (this is ironical, words in Urdu cannot be derived from Hindi, but think the author(s) meant words of Hindu, i.e., Sanskrit/Prakrit origin, which I classify as Eastern) origin are transcribed with -ā instead of -ah in most cases. Now see, this clearly gives the notion that most words belong to these two categories (my teacher actually said this while telling us the rule, besides dictionaries also list those Urdu words also used in Hindi as being borrowed from Hindi) and this process of eliminating words to each language, leaves few words which do not fit anywhere and could be classified as being a native Urdu innovation. That was my point over there. I hope you have understood my view. What do you think about this? Thanks in advance. Regards.
What are you reasons for removing the Macgregor claim in the origin section of the nsibidi article? Ukabia - talk 18:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I was wondering if you could take a look at ǃKung people? The lead needs some work. At present, it says that "The ǃKung, also spelled ǃXun, are a Bushman people living in the Kalahari Desert in Namibia, Botswana and in Angola. They speak the ǃKung language, noted for using click consonants, generally classified as part of the Khoisan language family." This is a problem in that Khoisan is no longer accepted. I know enough to see that the article isn't right, but not enough to fix it, which is why I'm asking you. 203.118.187.218 ( talk) 04:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree some of it is factually wrong but have you read all the edits. a lot of it is correct and the newest and most up to date information. I think rather than delete what seems to have taken hours if not days to do(finding new images, videos and content) try to integrate what he/she has done with what was there previously. Medicineman84 ( talk)
Why are you writing your post as if I made the edit? The edits were not made by me. I too have written a lot of this Ghana page. It seems the new person is energetic and has found 2013 quality information for example why report the life expectancy at 60 if it is 68 now! Ghana has vastly changed even within the last 2 years due to several factors including oil production etc etc. I think that is what the person who wrote this article tried to reflect.
I don't have the time !! Maybe you can coordinate something! I just found it rude that someone put in what looked like hours of work with one click without fully reading all of it you deleted it all without even starting a discussion. Admittedly the person did the same thing to the work that was there before but still...
Hi, subject that has come up before re India place names, can't recall exact article(s). I'm not sure how many of these there are Talk:Kutenai people, but I've commented there and suggest you should locate all articles you have moved contrary to RM results before others do. In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
your argument that aboriginal names are not part of English Wikipedia and "can't be pronounced" falls flat on its face just by a glance at List of place names in Canada of aboriginal origin. Without looking at the articles, tell me how "Cheam" and " Botanie Mountain" are pronounced, or the name of the place I'm from, Shalalth. And re the many ch-names, many are pronounced with "sh", not "ch", and "everyone" knows that. i.e. Chemainus vs. Chezacut, respectively. Then there's Cheakamus, Tsawwassen and Gingolx. Your pretension about all this, like your presumptive dismissal of Kwakwaka'wakw dislike of the term "Kwakiutl", is getting more than tiresome and chauvinistic, it's obstructive and, frankly, more than a bit racist, intentional or not, and will lead to Wikipedia being held in disregard by the peoples whose articles you think you have a right to rename according to how non-natives in other countries THINK is their correct name. Skookum1 ( talk) 11:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm racist because you are incapable of providing English pronunciations for these names? All I ask is that you demonstrate that they've been assimilated into English. I've never argued that a pronunciation should be "obvious", only that an English pronunciation should exist. Yet you keep reverting to this straw man: Are you unable to make a rational arguement? Others have made the same point. I suppose they're racist too? What I'm hearing is that you know best, that you are unable to support your POV, but we should accept it anyway because "racism". I suppose if you don't pronounce Vietnamese place names with their correct tone that makes you a racist too? — kwami ( talk) 22:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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I'm racist because you are incapable of providing English pronunciations for these names? All I ask is that you demonstrate that they've been assimilated into English." All those names HAVE been assimilated into English (and French). I was pointing them out to you, and challenging them to pronounce them "obviously". Sheshatshiu especially ain't obvious, and is very much a real word/name in Newfoundland and Labrador. So is "Mi'kmaq" which is common throughout Atlantic Canada. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I've heard this "Wikipedia knows best" attitude before, and also "if you don't tone down your criticisms you will be punished" invective lots before; in a very notable case, to me, the ridiculous imposition of the endash replacing hyphens on legal names in BC was finally overturned by citations from the enabling legislation for Regional districts in British Columbia, though the MOSite fanatics were snotting their collective noses at the real world, saying effectively "Wikipedia knows best, and WE are Wikipedia". I'm Wikipedia too, and I'm bringing forward facts that are apparently uncomfortable and people don't like hearing them (because it makes them look bad, but that's their fault, not mine) isn't "bombastic rhetoric". Arrogant unilateralism of the kind that brought on all these very-necessary CfDs, backed up now be evasion and denial and a refusal to look at the cites provided, or to admit they are relevant, is what's questionable here, not my style or the extent to which I can quote examples of aboriginal and other names in Wikipedia and around Canada that "are not English and nobody knows how to pronounce them". If I sound heated, it's because I'm getting frustrated with the nonsensical denials and evasions and that way all evidence in support of using these endonyms, which are normal in Canadian English, is just dismissed out of hand by someone whose only line has been "more people worldwide", when that is demonstrably not the case, and when "worldwide" doesn't apply to Canadian English usage. Britons call indigenous peoples "Red Indians" too, that doesn't mean that that should be taken into account when writing Wikipedia, now, does it? Your further diversion about "they should start their own Wikipedias if they want to use their languages" is just so much more evasion; it's also parochial and flies in the face of the very real reality of Canadian usage and practice; Wikipedia's editor community should learn to respect other communities, namely those of indigenous peoples and those who understand their concerns/sensitivities and do not dismiss them as irrelevant "because this is English Wikipedia". because I'm long-winded and detailed doesn't make me "bombastic"....what was bombastic was Kwami's single-minded application of his own feelings to these article names without any discussion or consultation. None of this is "rhetoric" in the sense of "empty words", it's all cogent argument, albeit increasingly frustrated and necessariliy repetitive and more detailed because Kwami refuses to admit to the validity of the cites OR to provide his own for his many personal claims.....and the inane challenge for me to provide an IPA for the English pronunciation of Ktunaxa; that's even IN one of the articles, for pity's sake. It's not my behaviour that should be the issue for the "community of editors", it's Kwami's. And it's the credibility of Wikipedia at large on indigenous topics that's also at stake; if a single editor with archaic, "foreign" views and labels, is allowed to change such stuff with impunity, and the results stand, the need for people from these nations to help expand their coverage and articles will be shut out, as they will view this place as the playground of white people telling t hem what they are and how to speak about themselves. You DO know what "parochial" means, right?? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC) |
For those who are interested, the proposed moves are at:
For all I know, all of the proposed names are assimilated into English and have established English pronunciations. But Skookum has not provided any evidence of that. Using a foreign name in print is not uncommon, nor is code switching for people who know the language, but I suspect that does not make it accessible to many of our readers. IMO "authenticity" takes a back seat to accessibility, commonality, etc., but maybe that's not the consensus on WP. — kwami ( talk) 07:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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I really was going to drop the "actually" and I was pretty sure that I had done it. Thanks for catching it for me. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 04:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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You may notice that I've linked your username at WP:ARCA, but don't worry that I'm trying to drag you into something. I'm simply quoting something you wrote in 2010 as part of my request for clarification, since you appeared to be as confused then as I am now. Feel free to ignore it unless you want to chime in. Nyttend ( talk) 18:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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I've tagged Old Southwestern Chinese and raised a query on the talk page, as I was unable to find it in the reference given. Kanguole 12:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. Just to let you know that I've started a new section about your removal of Christopher Ehret from List of linguists at Talk:List of linguists#Christopher Ehret. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:54, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I've responded on the talk page.
I take it seriously when someone accuses me of censorship. I consider your choice of phrasing incredibly loaded, and non-NPOV. I didn't remove the phrase to censor the content, but to remove something that wasn't neutral. Let's discuss this more civilly on the Talk page without resorting to such outlandish statements. Dan0 00 ( talk) 01:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
It's been a while, but I'm making a push to convert the remaining {{ IPA-en}} transclusions to {{ IPAc-en}}. Please keep an eye on Ill-formatted IPAc-en transclusions for a while since I'm not always able to fix improper IPA.
On a related note, I like the idea of using hovering tooltips for pronunciation & etymological information (eg, Ouroboros). Do you have an opinion on this, or know where it should be brought up?
-- deflective ( talk) 22:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I have implemented a version of the tooltip with a big font at Ouroboros. Note that the text in the notes section is also affected (click the [a]). Any thoughts? -- deflective ( talk) 22:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The conversions are now finished. All transclusions of {{
IPA-en}} in articles (including portals) now use {{
IPAc-en}}, the remaining occurrences are in user & talk spaces. Thanks for your help with this.
Once or twice a month from now on, I'll convert newly introduced {{ IPA-en}} transclusions. -- deflective ( talk) 19:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that you reverted my edit on the grounds that your computer did not at the time have a font with the glyph concerned, even though the character which is found in the Kangxi Dictionary, and has been in Unicode for about two decades (see http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=%E3%93%BE ). Replacing well established characters with images, gives the misleading impression that there is non easy way to use a character, however articles should embody good practice, following ISO 10646 is well established in wikipedia. The reference given for the same character also uses U+34FE 㓾 ⿰犀刂 (see http://hakka.dict.edu.tw/hakkadict/result_detail.jsp?n_no=1118&soundtype=0&sample=%E3%93%BE ). The correct solution in such a case is to install a font with complete ExtA in it, see List_of_CJK_fonts which has for example http://fonts.jp/hanazono/ download link http://sourceforge.jp/projects/hanazono-font/releases/ . Please by all means add a footnote telling people how to resolve such a problem by downloading a font. Johnkn63 ( talk) 23:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I read the reference. The Italian language is spoken by 55 million of people (natives) and 61 million of people (Total) Italian (Ethnologue) . According to Ethnologue Venetian Venetian (Ethnologue), Lombard Lombard (Ethnologue) and Neapolitan Neapolitan (Ethnologue) have less speakers than what the article says. Therefore please pay attention to changes you revert. -- Walter J. Rotelmayer ( talk) 17:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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Southern Ndebele language" (version of
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Ndebele dialect is closer to
Zulu than other Nguni dialects". Does that mean "Northern Ndebele is closer to Zulu than it [Northern Ndebele] is to other Nguni dialects" or does it mean "Northern Ndebele is closer to Zulu than other Nguni dialects are to Zulu"?
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Hello Kwami. If you can find the time, could you look at Eurasiatic languages? There are some details there that need attention, as noted in edit summaries. Thanks. 203.118.187.94 ( talk) 00:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami, you should have seen a red notification square twice already when your name was linked, but just in case, there is a discussion about your latest moves counter RM results at Talk:Ji-Lu Mandarin. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings, Kwamikagami! I wanted to ask you about your recent reverting of my edits on the language isolates page. To be honest, I could seriously care less about you deleting the mention of the Indo-European proposal, as that's obviously a fringe theory put forth by a quite nationalistic linguist. However, why don't you consider Bengtson a reliable source? He's a renowned American linguist, and I was simply quoting a proposal that he happened to put forward. I know that you might not accept the Dene-Caucasian proposal (I don't either, just putting that out there), but I know that a number of linguists do, and many of them consider this to be a valid hypothesis. Wikipedia is supposed to be an all-encompassing, non-biased encyclopedia, and it should include a broad range of opinions and speculations. -- Lisztrachmaninovfan ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
All the redirects listed in this page are in danger of being deleted because of your practice of creating () pages. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 00:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
"Let me know when I can fix them". What a strange question - a quick check of Lahnda language () would have told you that they required immediate fixing. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 11:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you changed the page name of Gronings into Gronings dialect. I think that Groningen dialect or Groningen Low Saxon is a better name. In English no one would ever say the word Gronings, but rather "Groningen dialect"/"Groningen language"/"Groningen (Low) Saxon", referring to the name of the province, similar to "Yorkshire dialect", rather than "Yorkshirian dialect" or something. I prefer the name Groningen Low Saxon, since the word dialect has a negative connotation and to reiterate that Gronings is not a dialect of Dutch, but a variety of Low Saxon. Grönneger 1 ( talk) 14:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
hey thanks for reverting the dravidian language section but the thing here is to give the reader authenticated version of the topic may i know where are you from ?? and tell me the reasons to change to the previous versions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alurujaya ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC) User:Alurujaya ( talk) 14:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. I invite you to feedback on my views in Talk:List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations, I'm encouraging all involved since January to do so. Adam37 ( talk) 10:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi! Some of your removings of links are mistaken.
The Kotava encyclopaedia counts 2176 real articles, for example:
And the Wikikrenteem website, dedicated to the literature, original texts and translations in Kotava is a rich and very interesting resource. Examples:
I'm sorry but these links are not fakes! - Wikimistusik ( talk) 21:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Even though the the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably, Tajik and Dari are correctly called Iranic languages rather than "Iranian" languages. See here: [15].
The original author was correct in using Iranic in the article.
By analogy, Burmese, Thai and Lao alphabets are Indic scripts but not "Indian" scripts. See e.g. here: Help:Multilingual support (Indic).
Regards, kashmiri TALK 18:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
The doma ruling is complicated that's why it was put as recognized by federal law only. A couple married in Massachusetts moving to Alabama would still have most of the federal benefits and would still have federal recognition of their marriage. Here's Lyle from SCOTUS Blog
"With the demise of the Defense of Marriage Act’s benefits ban in Section 3, for legally married gays and lesbians, the Court immediately — even if inadvertently — gave rise to a situation in which couples living in states that will not allow them to marry because they are homosexuals will still be able to qualify for federal benefits, many of which are handed out or managed by state governments"
http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/opinions-recap-giant-step-for-gay-marriage/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Predictor92 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Denmark's situation is different than this situation. The courts ruling makes the ruling more similar to the current situation in Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten at a certain level with the exception of no state registration(again we are talking about federal level here)
Please, see that conversation Talk:Mfecane#The click consonant representation in IPA. -- Mahmudmasri ( talk) 00:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
HI. You participated in a recent discussion that was referenced in another recent discussion. That current discussion is at WT:LEAD#MOS:BOLDTITLE and its application to specific situations, further concerning that general policy application. You may be interested in the new discussion, as it directly applies to your previous issue for which there was insufficient input for consensus. – 2001:db8:: ( rfc | diff) 12:52 am, Today (UTC−4)
I am disappointed by your latest edits in Jilu Mandarin and Jiaoliao Mandarin. In the MOS talk page, one of the few things in which all people agreed was that the article text should use the same spelling as the article title. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 20:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I know you are very eager to bump up your edit count by any means. However I do think you should go a little slower and check results. I have already corrected three language pages tonight. fyi {{ e17}} generates a reference. As you inserted into Samarokena language, Sumeri language and South Bolivian Quechua. John of Cromer ( talk) mytime= Sat 21:55, wikitime= 20:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
When did you decide that Mon-Khmer is another name for Austro-Asiatic? Are you a linguist? Ethnologue.com has constructed the Vietnamese family tree. If Austro-Asiatic and Mon-khmer are the same, then Ethnologue.com would have put either one in the family tree. http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/vietnamese
Sonic99 ( talk) 00:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, why did you revert my changes to the example English words? They are closer to the target sounds than the original examples, after all. Dougg ( talk) 01:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
That's true, but wrt to indicating a retroflex pronunciation, nothing works for Australian English, certainly not 'strudle' and 'drew'! But Australian's are familiar enough with US English to get it through reference to it, which is why I added the footnote as well. Dougg ( talk) 05:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't know what these 'English templates' are, or how to find them (so many of WP's tools are hard to find). Can you be a bit more explicit about what you're suggestion, thanks? Dougg ( talk) 12:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I searched and found 'Template:Australian English', if that's what you were referring to. That got me to the manual of style section on pronunciation and respellings. I then lost interest. It seems self-evident to me that 'strudle' and 'drew' are very misleading ways of indicating how to pronounce a retroflex stop, whereas referring to the US pronunciation of words such as 'card, partner' gets us as close as we can get with English, and is very familiar to all Australians. Many learner's guides to Australian languages use this kind of comparison, for example 'card, girl, burn', to get people on the road to a decent pronunciation. Dougg ( talk) 13:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)