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Hi Kober. Nice to meet you. I just wonna let you know that I have wrtitten an article about Bagrationi Royal Dynasty, but they linked to the article, which says that Bagrationis were Armenian. So, I am completely shocked. I posted this on their talk page.
That guy's name was Tupsharru, that maybe Turkish name, so that kind of sucks, if he has different point of view from us.
"Dear Tupsharru,
I do not believe you are consulting the sources from all points of view. This article primarily represents a biased view point. I can cite a Georgian Encyclopedia and many other sources that say different from that. Considering we are discussing an antiquity, there can't be 100% source that tells that Bagrationi were Georgian and not Armenian. So, please understand the Georgian point of view and tell me how I can bring back my article, because the article is about Georgian Kings and can't be written from the Armenian view point. I don’t know what nationality are you, but it is like saying the Queen of England is Portuguese. So, please advise something."
Soso
P.S. mirchie ra gavaketo, rom eg statia rogorme shevcvalot.
Gamarjoba Kober. Madlobt daxmarebistvis. rogorc ikna gamovakvekne chemi statia Bagrationebze, me mgoni rom xeli agaraefrm unda sheushalos. mec ise ar gamovricxav fakts rom seileba bagationebs da bagratid ebs ragac kavshiri kondet, magrma Bagrationebi kartveli mepeebi ikvnen da somxebi ar unda chaerion sakartvelos istoriashi, xazs vusvam rom araferi makvs somxebis sacinaagmdebi, radgan did pativs vcem magat kulturas da istorias. erti shekitxva maks shentan. rogor gamovakvekno kartuli statia kartul wikipediashi. chveublebrivad Word shi avkrife statia da copy rom gavukete editor shi inglisurad icereba. Gtxov mirchio rame tu dros gamonaxav.
Soso
Hi Kober, you were asking about the monastery of Shatberdi. This certainly was one of the most important and most productive monasteries in whole Tao-Klarjeti. The intellectual spearhead of the region, if you want. Its location, however, is disputed. Some scholars believe that it can be identified with Yeni Rabat near Ardanuji. Others argue that the itinerary, described in the vita of St Grigol Hanzteli, is a clear indication for that the monastery of Shatberdi must have been situated west of Ardanuc, and not, as in the case of Yeni Rabat, east of Ardanuji. The Turkish art historian Mine Kadiroglu has published an article in "Georgica" in 1999 in which she suggests that Shatberdi could be identified with a place southwest of Ardanuc, close to the village of Köseler. Best wishes, Sofie.
PS.: I would like to learn more about your conception of Tao-Klarjeti. As I currently see it, it was region of great cultural exchange, where ideas had a free flow. Armenians and Georgians coexisted and intermingled in Tao-Klarjeti at that time, and I feel it is a pretty useless discussion weather Tao-Klarjeti was Georgian or Armenian. It probably was both. But what matters is that people did not think in terms of nationality at that time. Nationalism is a mind-child of the 19th century, and it is a pity to observe that some people tend to transpose their nationalist concptions on historical issues and places. Check out Tao-Klarjeti and User:Hetoum.
Hello Kober,
Thanks for leaving comment on Bagratids of Tao/Tayk. Yes wedo share much history together, and unfotunately our current relationship is strained. I just htought that in these sections Armenian side of the story was being drowned out. I hope we will be able to contribute to Articles together in the future.
Regards, Hetoum
Hello, I see that you contributed some nice articles on Russia-related topics. Would you be so kind as to announce such articles on this notice-board in future? Thanks in advance, Ghirla -трёп- 13:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kober,
I noticed on your user page that you're Georgian. Perhaps you could talk to this POV-pusher over on the Abkhazia page. He he continues to attempt to add his own bias to the article. He has cited works such as "History of the Georgian people" and "Making of Georgian Nation"... See the talk page for more information. Thanks. -- Khoikhoi 06:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Can you help me overhaul this article? I cannot find much resources in English, and I cannot read Georgian, so I really need someone who can read ka. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to you too. I'd like to add some more info about the regulations but the appropriate presidential decree is not available at president.gov.ge. Keep on with your good work! Kober 19:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Kober,
I’m ready to co-operate with you on the article if you will allow me to do so. The article is without any reliable source or scholarly article. Mr Koikoi called me a pro Georgian POV due to the reasons that i quoted scholarly, historical materials of David Marshal Lang (Professor of Caucasian studies, Harvard University) and W.E.B. Allen (well knows historian of Ancient Armenia and Caucasus). Both books are titled Georgians or History of Georgian Nation. There is no single book about Abkhazian nation or History of Abkhazia. The only valid source for Abkhazian history you may find in books based on Georgian History by western scholars and historians (except George Hewitt who has an Abkhazian wife and has proven to be biased). Mr Roger Rosen (long time scholar of that region) has extensively and for a long time studied Georgia and Caucasus. He also has valid and reliable sources for the historic part of Abkhazia and war period. Please refer to his work for details (I can send you his materials). Another specialist of Caucasus conflictlogy is Dr Andrew Andersen, who has created many historic maps and scholarly articles about Abkhazia, Chechnya, Karabakh and Georgia. Mr. Khoikhoi fails to understand the importance of reliable, well documented primary and secondary sources. You can not oppose the existing academic work which is available for public. I can provide with full info on what i have mentioned above. I was lucky enough to have worked at University of Toronto where they have amazing collection of historic materials about Abkhazia. Luis Dingley YU Thanks. Noxchi Borz 18:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Would you be able to tell me if the "Education Credit Union of Georgia" is particularly notable in Georgia? Some user ( Education Credit Union of Georgia ( talk · contribs) keeps adding references to his/her company in articles. -- Khoikhoi 19:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
It would have been great if you wrote the article about this chronicle and explained why such a late source can be trusted in describing rulers predating Christ's era. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for calling it to my attention. I’ll work on this. Regards, Kober 05:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
In response to this, my bad - the ".com" threw me off there. — Khoikhoi 06:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Kober. In your article about Saakadze you don’t mention the allegations of him being a traitor to the King of Georgia. There are many sources which claim that Saakadze had more personal ambitions and liberating Georgia was not in his agenda. Im not sure how accurate is that. Are there any indications of that in "Qartlic Cxovreba" or in Vakhushti Bagrationis book about Georgian history? As I know there are some Georgian historians who share that view and support those claims. What do you think about that? Also have you had chance to read Sir Oliver Wardlops book on Georgian History? Here are Dr Andrew Andersens historical maps of Georgia (I have his email and if you want to use his maps I can ask him), he is one of the best specialist in history of Byzantium, Armenia and Georgia. http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/Georgia/geor_geschichte.htm All the best. Noxchi Borz 16:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kober. I asked the user to remove it. If he doesn't then I'll just remove it myself per WP:RPA. — Khoikhoi 16:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
A gift for Kober :) Noxchi Borz 20:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
This user comes from Georgia (country). |
Привет, sorry if our introduction on the voting got the wrong messages across, anyway I am a big (and I mean BIG) fan of Metro. I was wondering if you would like to participate on improving the quality of Tbilisi Metro which has been started off, but I never got to continue it. Also can I ask you to translate the station (and line) names is a similar manner as shown here [1]. Also if you can get some photos that would be excellent. Have a look at some of the Metro articles that I have created (under the BIG link) and see what is expected. I can help, but having never been to Tbilisi I would have to base ALL of my knowledge on third party sources. -- Kuban Cossack 20:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
In List of the Kings of Georgia, these three Kings are categorized under Arshakids. This is a bit confusing as one may assume they are related to either the Arsacid Dynasty or their Armenian branch Arshakuni Dynasty. Neither is the case. Shouldn't they be categorized as Artaxiads?-- Eupator 17:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Givi, please review the article on Lang and add any additional info or edit any mistakes. Thanks in advance. All the best Luis. Noxchi Borz 14:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Marshall_Lang
Noxchi Borz 21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Did King Midas have Iberian blood? Really? Wow. It’s very interesting. Parnavaz is indeed called Kartlosiani in the Georgian chronicles. It would be really great if you give me the source. How can I reach Mr Nikoladze? Many thanks in advance for your photos on Geo Legion. I really appreciate your kind help. It will make the article on the legion much better.
Dear Luis. I’ve just found a website run by the Georgian community of Poland. There are two articles pertaining to the Georgian officers. They are in Georgian, but seem to have been translated from Polish. I guess there are Polish versions too. Anyway, I’ll translate them from Georgian and post on your talk page. There a few photos (most probably in public domain) which I’m going to upload. The website is a bit unorganized and I cannot even find their email. I’ll see what else I can do. Kober 21:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I see that you edit a lot about Georgia, so i wanted to ask for your opinion on this issue:
The name of Georgia currently used in Israel is גרוזיה, which is pronounced just like Russian Грузия. Accordingly, Georgian people are called Gruzinim, and Georgian language is called Gruzinit. Most probably these names came to be used in Hebrew under the influence of the immigrants from Russia. Until the sixties the names גורג'יה (Gurjia) and גאורגיה (Georgia, like Russian Георгия) were used, but now hardly anyone remembers them.
Recently the ambassador of Georgia in Israel requested the Israeli government to use גאורגיה - "Георгия". The government and most of the mass media pretty much ignored this request and still use "Gruzia", however in the Hebrew Wikipedia most of the instances of "Gruzia" were renamed to "Georgia" in some renaming frenzy (and i was a part of it :) ). Now that the Hebrew Wikipedians start noticing that the Hebrew WP is one the very few places who listened to the ambassador, a discussion has started about reverting back to Gruzia. There is still no concensus. Until recently i prefered "Georgia", but now that i read about the history of the names i became totally confused. Gruzia is apparently more related to the Persian name and it is not a Russian mutilation of Georgia (as i used to think), and the name Georgia has little to do with St. George ... or maybe i am still getting it wrong.
If you ask for my personal opinion, i'd recommend the Georgian government to request all countries to call Georgia "Sakartvelo" - it's authentic and sounds very nice to my ears. But that probably won't happen.
If you would have to choose between Gruzia and Georgia, what would you pick?
Thanks, -- Amir E. Aharoni 20:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Haliho, Kober. I can see that this discussion is more than one year old, but anyone who finds this discussion page like I found it may find it useful to learn that we are having a debate in the Hungarian Wikipedia which is similar to what I read here about the Hebrew Wikipedia. Georgia's new ambassador to Budapest also asked Hungarians to abandon the Gruzia name and use Georgia instead. And some Hungarian papers have started to do that. The question we all have in the Wikipedia debate is whether Georgians are generally displeased/hurt/embarrassed if they are called Gruzians. (If it is kind of an insult, it is out of question to keep that word, we must definitely shift to using "georgia" in my view.) Should we escalate this discussion to the wider Wikipedia forums? Other languages must be affected, too. Best regards, --Korovioff 11:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Givi i need your help on the Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus can you add russian version of their name? And also edit and add more info on this organization? Thanks in advance. All the best. Noxchi Borz 19:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
From Berlin archive the list of high ranking SS officers, StandartenFuhrer. The top name Michael-Pridon Tsulukidze is underlines in red. Clink on imige to enlarge it. Noxchi Borz 19:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow!!! I can’t express enough what a contribution you have made. Thank you very much, Luis.
Let me share with you this photo of Major Giorgi Mamaladze. He went to Poland following the Soviet invasion of Georgia in 1921. Mamaladze graduated from the Polish military school and served as a contract officer in the Polish army. He took an active part in the 1939 Septemeber campaign against both the German and Soviet armies. Mamaladze was then captured by the Soviets and executed along with his Georgian and Polish comrades-in-arms during the Katyn massacre in 1940. Kober 18:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Maybe you could write the Georgian name at Supreme Soviet. -- Amir E. Aharoni 18:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for calling it to my attention. Done it. Kober 18:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the article on Georgian emigration in Poland, it was a truly missing topic. Kudos! // Halibu tt 15:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Kuban Cossack 00:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear Luis, European country category in the Abkhazia article seems to be attached to the Europe template placed above. I'm hesitating to remove it as it has a footnote stating that Abkhazia is not a recognized country. We can ask admins to make a note at the Europe category page clarifying that it also contains unrecognized polities. Kober 20:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Givi, sorry for the delay. King Midas was Mushki and not Tiberani (sorry I read this long time ago). Mushki were Georgian tribe (and relatives of the Tiberani), present day Meshketians. Here is the source
D.M. Lang, The Georgians, Chapter III, p. 56:
The Western Mushki had their moments of glory under King Mita (Midas), before Sargon of Assyria (722-705 BC) reduced the Mushki to submission…..Under the name of Meshech, the Mushki are numbered in Biblical tradition among the sons of Japhet (Gen. X. 2; 1 Chron. I. 5)… D.M. Lang, The Georgians, Chapter IV, p. 73:
From their new bases in Georgia, the Scythians and Cimmerians fanned out to the west, south and south-east. They invaded Media, ravaged the Phrygo-Mushkian kingdom of King Midas and plundered the Greek colony of Sinope.
Wardlop also mentiones that Midas was a Mushki King. As soon as i will get the Wardlop book (from Ebay) I will site your the source. Noxchi Borz 01:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
How goes it Kober?:) dges mec miveci xma sakartvelos portalis taobaze. kargi ideaa rom egeti ram sheikmnas. gadavxede shen da im kanadelis tsvlils rats sheitanet wikipediashi am bolo ramodenime kviris ganmavlobashi da dzalian mometsona. me natsilobriv vadevnebdi tvals am tsvlilebebs da somxebis mokmedebebsats:). somxebis taobaze gavaprtxile ukve am gverdis zedamxedveli(albat mixvdebi vize vlaparakob) da tu kidev tsamoitskheben rames shegvidzlia seriozulad shevetsinaagmdegot da/an gavadzevot. shen mitxari ubralod eg tu sachiro ikneba. rats sheexeba chvens mepeebze, mec vpikrob rom savsebit dasashvebia is fakti rom egeni ikvnen somxebis monatesaveni da ar makvs magastan dakavshirebit problema, magram rogorc shen tkvi tsudad ereva da tsvlis am informatsias zog-zogi piri. me chven mepeebtan dakavshirebit ar makvs bevri informatsia magram erti-ori rame gamegeba da ase rom magashits shegvidzlia ertad chavertot da shevkmnat kartuli(normaluri) gverdi. sakme imashia rom sakartveloshi me tsota xnis tsin chamovedi da ak saertod ar gavzrdilvar da xandaxan upro midzneldeba ragats informatsiis da sakitxebis modzieba. aba droebit. D.Papuashvili 15:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Kober. Nice to meet you. I just wonna let you know that I have wrtitten an article about Bagrationi Royal Dynasty, but they linked to the article, which says that Bagrationis were Armenian. So, I am completely shocked. I posted this on their talk page.
That guy's name was Tupsharru, that maybe Turkish name, so that kind of sucks, if he has different point of view from us.
"Dear Tupsharru,
I do not believe you are consulting the sources from all points of view. This article primarily represents a biased view point. I can cite a Georgian Encyclopedia and many other sources that say different from that. Considering we are discussing an antiquity, there can't be 100% source that tells that Bagrationi were Georgian and not Armenian. So, please understand the Georgian point of view and tell me how I can bring back my article, because the article is about Georgian Kings and can't be written from the Armenian view point. I don’t know what nationality are you, but it is like saying the Queen of England is Portuguese. So, please advise something."
Soso
P.S. mirchie ra gavaketo, rom eg statia rogorme shevcvalot.
Gamarjoba Kober. Madlobt daxmarebistvis. rogorc ikna gamovakvekne chemi statia Bagrationebze, me mgoni rom xeli agaraefrm unda sheushalos. mec ise ar gamovricxav fakts rom seileba bagationebs da bagratid ebs ragac kavshiri kondet, magrma Bagrationebi kartveli mepeebi ikvnen da somxebi ar unda chaerion sakartvelos istoriashi, xazs vusvam rom araferi makvs somxebis sacinaagmdebi, radgan did pativs vcem magat kulturas da istorias. erti shekitxva maks shentan. rogor gamovakvekno kartuli statia kartul wikipediashi. chveublebrivad Word shi avkrife statia da copy rom gavukete editor shi inglisurad icereba. Gtxov mirchio rame tu dros gamonaxav.
Soso
Hi Kober, you were asking about the monastery of Shatberdi. This certainly was one of the most important and most productive monasteries in whole Tao-Klarjeti. The intellectual spearhead of the region, if you want. Its location, however, is disputed. Some scholars believe that it can be identified with Yeni Rabat near Ardanuji. Others argue that the itinerary, described in the vita of St Grigol Hanzteli, is a clear indication for that the monastery of Shatberdi must have been situated west of Ardanuc, and not, as in the case of Yeni Rabat, east of Ardanuji. The Turkish art historian Mine Kadiroglu has published an article in "Georgica" in 1999 in which she suggests that Shatberdi could be identified with a place southwest of Ardanuc, close to the village of Köseler. Best wishes, Sofie.
PS.: I would like to learn more about your conception of Tao-Klarjeti. As I currently see it, it was region of great cultural exchange, where ideas had a free flow. Armenians and Georgians coexisted and intermingled in Tao-Klarjeti at that time, and I feel it is a pretty useless discussion weather Tao-Klarjeti was Georgian or Armenian. It probably was both. But what matters is that people did not think in terms of nationality at that time. Nationalism is a mind-child of the 19th century, and it is a pity to observe that some people tend to transpose their nationalist concptions on historical issues and places. Check out Tao-Klarjeti and User:Hetoum.
Hello Kober,
Thanks for leaving comment on Bagratids of Tao/Tayk. Yes wedo share much history together, and unfotunately our current relationship is strained. I just htought that in these sections Armenian side of the story was being drowned out. I hope we will be able to contribute to Articles together in the future.
Regards, Hetoum
Hello, I see that you contributed some nice articles on Russia-related topics. Would you be so kind as to announce such articles on this notice-board in future? Thanks in advance, Ghirla -трёп- 13:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kober,
I noticed on your user page that you're Georgian. Perhaps you could talk to this POV-pusher over on the Abkhazia page. He he continues to attempt to add his own bias to the article. He has cited works such as "History of the Georgian people" and "Making of Georgian Nation"... See the talk page for more information. Thanks. -- Khoikhoi 06:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Can you help me overhaul this article? I cannot find much resources in English, and I cannot read Georgian, so I really need someone who can read ka. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to you too. I'd like to add some more info about the regulations but the appropriate presidential decree is not available at president.gov.ge. Keep on with your good work! Kober 19:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Kober,
I’m ready to co-operate with you on the article if you will allow me to do so. The article is without any reliable source or scholarly article. Mr Koikoi called me a pro Georgian POV due to the reasons that i quoted scholarly, historical materials of David Marshal Lang (Professor of Caucasian studies, Harvard University) and W.E.B. Allen (well knows historian of Ancient Armenia and Caucasus). Both books are titled Georgians or History of Georgian Nation. There is no single book about Abkhazian nation or History of Abkhazia. The only valid source for Abkhazian history you may find in books based on Georgian History by western scholars and historians (except George Hewitt who has an Abkhazian wife and has proven to be biased). Mr Roger Rosen (long time scholar of that region) has extensively and for a long time studied Georgia and Caucasus. He also has valid and reliable sources for the historic part of Abkhazia and war period. Please refer to his work for details (I can send you his materials). Another specialist of Caucasus conflictlogy is Dr Andrew Andersen, who has created many historic maps and scholarly articles about Abkhazia, Chechnya, Karabakh and Georgia. Mr. Khoikhoi fails to understand the importance of reliable, well documented primary and secondary sources. You can not oppose the existing academic work which is available for public. I can provide with full info on what i have mentioned above. I was lucky enough to have worked at University of Toronto where they have amazing collection of historic materials about Abkhazia. Luis Dingley YU Thanks. Noxchi Borz 18:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Would you be able to tell me if the "Education Credit Union of Georgia" is particularly notable in Georgia? Some user ( Education Credit Union of Georgia ( talk · contribs) keeps adding references to his/her company in articles. -- Khoikhoi 19:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
It would have been great if you wrote the article about this chronicle and explained why such a late source can be trusted in describing rulers predating Christ's era. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for calling it to my attention. I’ll work on this. Regards, Kober 05:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
In response to this, my bad - the ".com" threw me off there. — Khoikhoi 06:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Kober. In your article about Saakadze you don’t mention the allegations of him being a traitor to the King of Georgia. There are many sources which claim that Saakadze had more personal ambitions and liberating Georgia was not in his agenda. Im not sure how accurate is that. Are there any indications of that in "Qartlic Cxovreba" or in Vakhushti Bagrationis book about Georgian history? As I know there are some Georgian historians who share that view and support those claims. What do you think about that? Also have you had chance to read Sir Oliver Wardlops book on Georgian History? Here are Dr Andrew Andersens historical maps of Georgia (I have his email and if you want to use his maps I can ask him), he is one of the best specialist in history of Byzantium, Armenia and Georgia. http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/Georgia/geor_geschichte.htm All the best. Noxchi Borz 16:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kober. I asked the user to remove it. If he doesn't then I'll just remove it myself per WP:RPA. — Khoikhoi 16:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
A gift for Kober :) Noxchi Borz 20:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
This user comes from Georgia (country). |
Привет, sorry if our introduction on the voting got the wrong messages across, anyway I am a big (and I mean BIG) fan of Metro. I was wondering if you would like to participate on improving the quality of Tbilisi Metro which has been started off, but I never got to continue it. Also can I ask you to translate the station (and line) names is a similar manner as shown here [1]. Also if you can get some photos that would be excellent. Have a look at some of the Metro articles that I have created (under the BIG link) and see what is expected. I can help, but having never been to Tbilisi I would have to base ALL of my knowledge on third party sources. -- Kuban Cossack 20:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
In List of the Kings of Georgia, these three Kings are categorized under Arshakids. This is a bit confusing as one may assume they are related to either the Arsacid Dynasty or their Armenian branch Arshakuni Dynasty. Neither is the case. Shouldn't they be categorized as Artaxiads?-- Eupator 17:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Givi, please review the article on Lang and add any additional info or edit any mistakes. Thanks in advance. All the best Luis. Noxchi Borz 14:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Marshall_Lang
Noxchi Borz 21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Did King Midas have Iberian blood? Really? Wow. It’s very interesting. Parnavaz is indeed called Kartlosiani in the Georgian chronicles. It would be really great if you give me the source. How can I reach Mr Nikoladze? Many thanks in advance for your photos on Geo Legion. I really appreciate your kind help. It will make the article on the legion much better.
Dear Luis. I’ve just found a website run by the Georgian community of Poland. There are two articles pertaining to the Georgian officers. They are in Georgian, but seem to have been translated from Polish. I guess there are Polish versions too. Anyway, I’ll translate them from Georgian and post on your talk page. There a few photos (most probably in public domain) which I’m going to upload. The website is a bit unorganized and I cannot even find their email. I’ll see what else I can do. Kober 21:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I see that you edit a lot about Georgia, so i wanted to ask for your opinion on this issue:
The name of Georgia currently used in Israel is גרוזיה, which is pronounced just like Russian Грузия. Accordingly, Georgian people are called Gruzinim, and Georgian language is called Gruzinit. Most probably these names came to be used in Hebrew under the influence of the immigrants from Russia. Until the sixties the names גורג'יה (Gurjia) and גאורגיה (Georgia, like Russian Георгия) were used, but now hardly anyone remembers them.
Recently the ambassador of Georgia in Israel requested the Israeli government to use גאורגיה - "Георгия". The government and most of the mass media pretty much ignored this request and still use "Gruzia", however in the Hebrew Wikipedia most of the instances of "Gruzia" were renamed to "Georgia" in some renaming frenzy (and i was a part of it :) ). Now that the Hebrew Wikipedians start noticing that the Hebrew WP is one the very few places who listened to the ambassador, a discussion has started about reverting back to Gruzia. There is still no concensus. Until recently i prefered "Georgia", but now that i read about the history of the names i became totally confused. Gruzia is apparently more related to the Persian name and it is not a Russian mutilation of Georgia (as i used to think), and the name Georgia has little to do with St. George ... or maybe i am still getting it wrong.
If you ask for my personal opinion, i'd recommend the Georgian government to request all countries to call Georgia "Sakartvelo" - it's authentic and sounds very nice to my ears. But that probably won't happen.
If you would have to choose between Gruzia and Georgia, what would you pick?
Thanks, -- Amir E. Aharoni 20:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Haliho, Kober. I can see that this discussion is more than one year old, but anyone who finds this discussion page like I found it may find it useful to learn that we are having a debate in the Hungarian Wikipedia which is similar to what I read here about the Hebrew Wikipedia. Georgia's new ambassador to Budapest also asked Hungarians to abandon the Gruzia name and use Georgia instead. And some Hungarian papers have started to do that. The question we all have in the Wikipedia debate is whether Georgians are generally displeased/hurt/embarrassed if they are called Gruzians. (If it is kind of an insult, it is out of question to keep that word, we must definitely shift to using "georgia" in my view.) Should we escalate this discussion to the wider Wikipedia forums? Other languages must be affected, too. Best regards, --Korovioff 11:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Givi i need your help on the Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus can you add russian version of their name? And also edit and add more info on this organization? Thanks in advance. All the best. Noxchi Borz 19:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
From Berlin archive the list of high ranking SS officers, StandartenFuhrer. The top name Michael-Pridon Tsulukidze is underlines in red. Clink on imige to enlarge it. Noxchi Borz 19:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow!!! I can’t express enough what a contribution you have made. Thank you very much, Luis.
Let me share with you this photo of Major Giorgi Mamaladze. He went to Poland following the Soviet invasion of Georgia in 1921. Mamaladze graduated from the Polish military school and served as a contract officer in the Polish army. He took an active part in the 1939 Septemeber campaign against both the German and Soviet armies. Mamaladze was then captured by the Soviets and executed along with his Georgian and Polish comrades-in-arms during the Katyn massacre in 1940. Kober 18:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Maybe you could write the Georgian name at Supreme Soviet. -- Amir E. Aharoni 18:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for calling it to my attention. Done it. Kober 18:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the article on Georgian emigration in Poland, it was a truly missing topic. Kudos! // Halibu tt 15:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Kuban Cossack 00:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear Luis, European country category in the Abkhazia article seems to be attached to the Europe template placed above. I'm hesitating to remove it as it has a footnote stating that Abkhazia is not a recognized country. We can ask admins to make a note at the Europe category page clarifying that it also contains unrecognized polities. Kober 20:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Givi, sorry for the delay. King Midas was Mushki and not Tiberani (sorry I read this long time ago). Mushki were Georgian tribe (and relatives of the Tiberani), present day Meshketians. Here is the source
D.M. Lang, The Georgians, Chapter III, p. 56:
The Western Mushki had their moments of glory under King Mita (Midas), before Sargon of Assyria (722-705 BC) reduced the Mushki to submission…..Under the name of Meshech, the Mushki are numbered in Biblical tradition among the sons of Japhet (Gen. X. 2; 1 Chron. I. 5)… D.M. Lang, The Georgians, Chapter IV, p. 73:
From their new bases in Georgia, the Scythians and Cimmerians fanned out to the west, south and south-east. They invaded Media, ravaged the Phrygo-Mushkian kingdom of King Midas and plundered the Greek colony of Sinope.
Wardlop also mentiones that Midas was a Mushki King. As soon as i will get the Wardlop book (from Ebay) I will site your the source. Noxchi Borz 01:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
How goes it Kober?:) dges mec miveci xma sakartvelos portalis taobaze. kargi ideaa rom egeti ram sheikmnas. gadavxede shen da im kanadelis tsvlils rats sheitanet wikipediashi am bolo ramodenime kviris ganmavlobashi da dzalian mometsona. me natsilobriv vadevnebdi tvals am tsvlilebebs da somxebis mokmedebebsats:). somxebis taobaze gavaprtxile ukve am gverdis zedamxedveli(albat mixvdebi vize vlaparakob) da tu kidev tsamoitskheben rames shegvidzlia seriozulad shevetsinaagmdegot da/an gavadzevot. shen mitxari ubralod eg tu sachiro ikneba. rats sheexeba chvens mepeebze, mec vpikrob rom savsebit dasashvebia is fakti rom egeni ikvnen somxebis monatesaveni da ar makvs magastan dakavshirebit problema, magram rogorc shen tkvi tsudad ereva da tsvlis am informatsias zog-zogi piri. me chven mepeebtan dakavshirebit ar makvs bevri informatsia magram erti-ori rame gamegeba da ase rom magashits shegvidzlia ertad chavertot da shevkmnat kartuli(normaluri) gverdi. sakme imashia rom sakartveloshi me tsota xnis tsin chamovedi da ak saertod ar gavzrdilvar da xandaxan upro midzneldeba ragats informatsiis da sakitxebis modzieba. aba droebit. D.Papuashvili 15:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)