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Thanks for adding to the List of books about Nazi Germany page. I really appreciate that. As you probably already noticed, I have turned this into a fairly comprehensive list from its original starting place of around 50 books. My hope is that this page will benefit scholars and novice students of Nazi Germany in the future. There are so many more works in German to add but since this is not Wikipedia.de I have refrained for the most part from adding them. There are however some important German works that have yet to be translated that I have added for scholars or those competent in German.
Please pardon my latest tirade on the Wikipage about Nazi Germany. I clearly showed how Nordicism was important and how classifying Germans really did occur. Anyone who thinks that appearance did not matter in the Third Reich is hard to take serious. There were propaganda posters all over Germany showing what Nordisch people looked like and what "Jews" were supposed to look like. Nonetheless, in my original post I never even mentioned appearance but my sentence got construed as such by Windows66. This is really irking me. I am a professional historian and my expertise over Nazi Germany is fairly formidable in comparison to most. In fact, I just got back from a month of research in Germany. In my personal library alone, I have several hundred works and 30 years of research - which is why I do not take kindly to somebody exclaiming that my contribution was wrong. For the sake of curiosity and between us, I am related to Franz Halder which may be one of the reasons my life has been plagued with research about those 12 awful years. Additionally, my best friend's grandfather was one of the propulsion engineers on the ME-262; my cousin's grandfather worked on the Bismarck and my own Kraut grandfather committed suicide shortly after the war. So let's just say that I have a vested interest in this period. Anyway, whatever changes the group collectively feel which need to be made, I am OK with them and your point about avoiding summations is not wrong. There are so many things missing in the Seizure of Power section, like the German predilection for authoritarian government in the wake of industrialization - which as you know was accompanied by the push for parliamentary governance in most other European state, Weimar legitimacy in the face of the Depression, the Nazi manipulation of the system, etc. that I felt a brief add on was appropriate. Obenritter (my profile pic is 20+ years old) —Preceding undated comment added 02:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Kierzek. The funny thing about the discussion on appearance is that the sentence never even stated that. You are correct about not taking things personal as it tends to clutter the discussion. At this point I have cited upwards of a dozen sources or more in making my case about the sentence and even have proposed amending the sentence for clarity but Windows66 insists on trying to dictate what should and should not remain and is trying to pass him/her self off as an authority. All of the academic substantiation is being brushed off. Take a look at it if you have the time. Like I stated, I am leaving that page alone at this point. I was merely attempting to clarify to the group that what was inferred versus what the sentence stated are two very different things. Jews and Germans were categorized by the Nazis as the sources I have provided in the debate show.
In terms of omitting books from the English page - I am OK if you want to remove some of the German works, but keep in mind, there may not be anything else from the authors (some of whom would be considered primary sources) in English. That is why I think some of them need to stay. If you remove any please use discretion. While you suggest that older works be removed, that detracts from the study of the topic. Just how the study of history develops over time and as more sources appear makes the older books very valuable. The historiography of Nazi Germany is a fascinating study in and of itself. Think of Fritz Fischer's insistence on German aggression and militarism dating back to Bismarck and before, the whole Sonderweg discourse, the Historikerstreit of the 1980s about functionalism and intentionalism, or the more recent debate stirred up by Daniel Goldhagen's work with his putative eliminationist anti-Semitism rhetoric. When I first read that book, I threw it across the room more than once. It was an insult to Germans in general, although Goldhagen enjoyed fame for exonerating the current generation of Germans. Anyway - what I am saying is that many of those old works are both pertinent for their academic depth and still accurate for the most part, and they are important in terms of Third Reich historiography. How would we decide what should stay and what should remain? Many of the newer works on Nazi Germany are strictly attempts at making money and are not high-quality scholarship. Please advise as to how you think we should approach omitting works. Of note: I am trying to use the Chicago-Turabian format for the books as this is the one used by historians, not that this is all that important. -- Obenritter ( talk) 22:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi I noticed you awarded the user Hohum @ with The Original Barnstar. since you are an expert for nazi germany you might be interested in the article /info/en/?search=Bombing_of_Wielun hohum violated wiki rules from WP:RELIABLE, WP:THIRDPARTY, WP:NPOV to WP:WEIGHT in his introduction and refuses to change his text. because of his personal opinion he doesn't even abide by WP:EDITCONSENSUS. he uses unreliable sources (2) which clearly are not independent or known for fact checking and ignores 3 historians (one from poland, one from the UK and one from germany) who all argue that calling the bombing of wielun a terror bombing is not just. yet he's gone even further and wrote this into the introduction "It is considered to be one of the first terror bombings in history" and reverted my changes to "It is considered to be one of the first bombings in Europe in this war." in the talk page he purposely plays a fool by ignoring and not reading all argument and hides behind WP:CIVIL. (nice trick to avoid an argument) maybe you can provide a third party opinion. Swunt10 ( talk) 21:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Is it not worth noting of the induction of the marriage order that required not only the SS member but also his fiancee's ancestry to be investigated? I can't see this covered anywhere on the Himmler article.-- Windows66 ( talk) 15:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
How about instead of "SS men were carefully vetted for their racial background and were required to get racial certificates of any prospective spouses." to "Himmler introduced on December 31, 1931 the "marriage order" which made SS men wishing to get married to their fiancee to produce family trees proving that themselves and their fiancee's family were of Aryan descent to 1800." Also, in the book Heinrich Himmler: A Life it states "If a non-Aryan forebear was found in anyone's family tree the person concerned was excluded from the SS on principle." this might be worth adding such as "if any non-Aryan was found in an SS member's family tree he was excluded" or something along those lines. What do you think?-- Windows66 ( talk) 17:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes I think that is fine and much more constructive than mine and good info to add to the article. Nice job Kierzek. I will thank your edit. (y)-- Windows66 ( talk) 18:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC) All of what you are going to edit is mentioned in Heinrich Himmler: A Life by Peter Longerich which is already in the bibliography section already if you want to use this as citing for this info too.-- Windows66 ( talk) 18:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Done. I also also did a minor edit of words to avoid copyright of the Heinrich Himmler: A Life book and just the marriage order sentence before the investigation of a non-Aryan being found, it makes more sense since the investigation was not done until that order came in if you are with me.-- Windows66 ( talk) 21:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
why did you revert my edits, i was not inserting a single motto, but refer to a section about all the mottos which was acutally proposed in the talkpage Kalix94 ( talk) 19:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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The reason I deleted the CN's from the page is because they are from Walther von Brauchitschs Wikipedia page. But thank you very much, for your contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas Vinther ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Read and understood, thanks mate. --Jonas Vinther
Hi again, since you are an expert on the topic I thought I would ask you; do you know if Nebe was in the military service at all during the time of the Weimar Republic? Hoops gza ( talk) 15:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC) On second thought I think I will just translate the info from the German version and obtain it from there. I can see that he did indeed serve for the Weimar Republic. Hoops gza ( talk) 15:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I have a couple of new articles that I would appreciate you combing through when you have the chance:
Thanks as always. Hoops gza ( talk) 01:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments and thanks for going over these with a good comb. I can see that I was tired when making some of these articles. These shall be my last on this topic. Good luck with these into the future. Hoops gza ( talk) 19:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
This 1929 photo of Himmler might be a nice addition to his article, completely up to you: File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146II-783, Heinrich Himmler.jpg. Hoops gza ( talk) 05:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to the both of you. I shall now close this chapter of my research, best to keep my hands away from this subject in the future. Best of luck in the future. Hoops gza ( talk) 21:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I can assure you von Kluge was involved, heavily involved at that. He insurred the arrest of thousands of SS and Gestapo agents in Paris. - Jonas Vinther
No matter what role he played in the 20 July Plot, I think the fact he committed suicide rather than face Hitler or court, says something in itself. I don't know where you have the article from, but I have seen countless BBC documentaries regarding von Kluge and all stated that he committed suicide due to the failure of the 20 July Plot. Of course that doesn't mean he was actively involved and that he might just didn't wish to serve Hitler anymore, but felt bound to his oath - therefore committed suicide. BUT I can assure you he ensured the arrest of SS and Gestapo agents in Paris, which makes him involved, regardless of what role he played or how active he was. - Jonas Vinther
You might find the link " objective historian" interesting and use its analysis to see if you think Elena Sinyavskaya passes those tests, or if relying on one fact from one primary source, and not balancing that against other primary sources means that she fails the test and is not an objective historian. -- PBS ( talk) 13:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate, check out this brand new article I made, it's pretty awesome - Hitler and Mannerheim recording.
Please notice I wrote EVERYTHING myself. I personally wrote the entire monologue. It took me hours, but I did it for Wikipedia. - Jonas Vinther
Why did you revert it? It being more chronologically correct is not as important in the beginning, if the short version is embedded somewhere else. This is how Google writes to the query "Hitler": My version (still in cache): "Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party. He was at the centre of Nazi Germany, World War II in Europe, and the Holocaust. This would be the reverted version: "Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party. He was chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 and dictator of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945." Which is correct of course, but it is not the important part about Hitler. -- RicardAnufriev ( talk) 14:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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A user has come over from the German language Wikipedia with new sources, some of them clear and some obscure, but there seems to me to be a lack of objectivity in the air and I would appreciate a little help with keeping the page to its sources. Please see Talk:Günther von Reibnitz. Regards, Moonraker ( talk) 01:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Kierzek - I saw where you deleted Grey Wolf as a fringe work. Not sure that outright deleting the book was necessary. A footnote or caveat after the book may have sufficed. No? Given its sales, I thought it deserved mention. After all, the most recent forensic studies on this matter have conclusively proven that the skull the former Soviets had - when examined, was not that of der Führer. Likewise, there was an extensive file about this with the FBI. Both Stalin and Zhukov believed Hitler had escaped. Just sayin'. No dog in this fight however, as it is not important by any means. -- Obenritter ( talk) 22:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Cheers, Kierzek ( talk) 22:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Happy WikiBirthday friend. I hope everything is going good. I would like to thank you for the kindness you've shown me on Wikipedia. Unfortunately I didn't bring a gift. - Jonas Vinther
"A large crowd of well-wishers and reporters gathered on the sidewalk outside her apartment." The photo adds to the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.23 ( talk) 02:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Earlier you said that a simple sentence can be added to the article that reflects the view of Russian historians.
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Greetings, was Reinhard Heydrich ever referred to as Richard Heydrich? Right now "Richard Heydrich" is a redirect to Reinhard's page. I'm guessing that it was intended to direct to his father, whose article did not exist at the time that this redirect was created.
By the way, Himmler's wife has a huge article in German, while there is no article for her in English. It may be good for us to find someone who could translate the page well. Hoops gza ( talk) 20:11, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, Hauptamt Sicherheitspolizei should obviously be merged with Sicherheitspolizei. Perhaps you would be good at merging the two? Hoops gza ( talk) 22:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I leave points two and three up to you. I've had my fill of this sort of thing. There is certainly no hurry on them. I cannot speak German, otherwise I would proceed full speed on an article on Himmler's wife, but I do think it is essential to the English Wikipedia. Cheers. Hoops gza ( talk) 05:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Jonas Vinther
Hi, Kierzek. Your superb copyediting skills would be appreciated at Karl Bischoff. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear friend, it was only just a few seconds ago I saw you created an article named "Albert Bormann". I have been looking for the article of that man for ages, I've seen him by Hitler's side countless times, and always wondered who he was, but of course, since I didn't know his name, I couldn't find his article. Thank you for creating it friend. - Jonas Vinther
Actually, I'm making a list over all of Adolf Hitler's adjutants, so far I have noted Wilhelm Bruckner Julius Schaub, Otto Günsche, Gerhard Engel, Nicolaus von Below, Karl-Jesco von Puttkamer, Alwin-Broder Albrecht, and Fritz Darges. Do you know anymore? - Jonas Vinther
Yes well, I considered adding Krause, but he was actually hired as Hitler's chief aid, not adjutant. It's because I made this article: Adolf Hitler's adjutants. - Jonas Vinther
Okay, nice I will certainly add them right away... By the way, I don't get any kind of notifications whenever you write something in these sections, do you? is there someway you could be notified, so you don't have to check everything all the time? - Jonas Vinther
Hi Kierzek. I noticed there's a Harvard citation error in 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler: a citation points to "Reynolds 2006", but there's no such book in the bibliography. I am hoping you can clear this up using the books you have available in your collection. Thanks, -- Diannaa ( talk) 14:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi friend. Have you seen the Military Channel documentary called Inside the Mind of Adolf Hitler? it's very interesting and based on Langer's secret OSS report regarding Hitler's future conduct. If you wish to see it, it's available on youtube. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 10:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate. We should nominate 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony for good article status. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 10:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I will, but I don't know how to nominate an article for good status. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 22:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much, I'll do my best. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 13:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
I left a message on the article's talk page regarding the recent confusion and edit-dispute. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 20:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Have you published any of your work? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 17:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. Thanks for your recent many edits on the field marshal ceremony article, I'm sure it will get good article status, eventually! Jonas Vinther ( talk) 16:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
You don't think it's worth noting where his father and mother were born and died? German Wikipedia makes note of this. Hoops gza ( talk) 15:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Generally speaking, what do you think about creating a navbox sometime for Himmler? Hoops gza ( talk) 23:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the edits on Gestapa. It was not entirely clear to me what this term meant, as I could only ascertain that it was an office of the Gestapo or something similar. Hoops gza ( talk) 17:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Article now complete. Hoops gza ( talk) 17:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC) I will be sure to link you to new articles from now on if you show an interest. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Two of the sources in the "further reading" section are the German versions of English equivalents used in the article, namely, Longerich and Die Bruder Himmler. Should I remove these from the page? Hoops gza ( talk) 01:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. I'm confused as to why you changed "girlfriend" back to "lover"? Here's a quote from the man who ran Hitler's Berghof:
"My wife was always very curious, as was I, and she often did Hitler's washing, and the first thing she'd do is to check if there had been any sexual activity. But there was never any evidence, my wife checked the sheets, and there was no signs of sexual activity, none. And if we had private conversations with the chambermaids, they'd say the same thing, no evidence could ever be found."
I would only say it should say "lover" if it's considered a more used synonym for "girlfriend". Jonas Vinther ( talk) 14:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate. Schaub's section says: "Near the end of the war, on 23 August 1945, Hitler ordered Schaub to burn all his personal belongings, which he did." Please notice the date. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 09:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you think I'm taking too much from Longerich? If so, feel free to revert or reword. Hoops gza ( talk) 20:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
That book is a beast. Two hundred pages of endnotes! Hoops gza ( talk) 21:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Would you say it's worth writing an article about Paulus's son, Ernst Alexander Paulus, who also served in World War II, and rose to a high rank? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 01:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if I like this. Seems a bit excessive, especially since we don't have cats for other ranks held in other military structures. I regrettably don't have the time to start a thread somewhere for action, but may be you start this rolling for review. Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 22:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Doing the math on this, it would seem that we have about 100 of each rank all the way down to lieutenant. Does that change your opinion? Hoops gza ( talk) 18:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
So you are proposing that I draw the line at Category:SS-Standartenführer? - Hoops gza ( talk) 16:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
I am tempted to create a Category:Nazis who served in World War I, as I think it might actually have some relevance. Thoughts? - Hoops gza ( talk) 17:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Great you added cite's to Julius Schaub's article, those can be added to Hitler's adjutants article. Schaub was the only adjutant I couldn't find any sources too, now we have them all. Good job, friend. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 17:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I have created a Category:Police of Nazi Germany and am currently populating it. I am trying to mirror the de:Kategorie:Polizei im Nationalsozialismus as much as possible. - Hoops gza ( talk) 21:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a de:Kategorie:Ordnungspolizei (Orpo). Should I make an Category:Orpo with appropriate parent and subcategories? - Hoops gza ( talk) 22:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I exhausted all of the German categories for police except for the Gestapo, which you may wish to do yourself. I also did not complete the correcting of SSPF, which you may wish to do. I am taking a break from this topic for an indefinite time. Thanks for all of your help in these regards. - Hoops gza ( talk) 06:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi friend. I was thinking: should Hitler's adjutants article be an article regarding the occupation of being Hitler's adjutant, the daily routines, the close contact with Hitler, and so on. Or, should it be a mini bio of all his adjutants as it more or less is now? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 08:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. I told a while ago when you asked whether von Kluge was actually involved or not. I found some more recent and updated sources from BBC and OJSC to support my belief:
"von Kluge, commander of Army Group Center, was awarded the Oak Leaves cluster to his Knight's Cross, but in secret, the field marshal was already plotting against Hitler. In July 1944, von Kluge was in France, commanding the Western Front, when von Stauffenberg tried to blow up the Führer at his headquarters in East Prussia. When it became clear the plot had failed, von Kluge took a cyanide pill. He was succeed by his former subordinate, Walther Model."
"The plotters discussed two ways of killing Hitler. One was a direct approach, a group of offciers volunteered to shoot Hitler while he was at lunch, but when news of this reached Gunther von Kluge, commander of Army Group Center, who was also sympathetic to the plotters, he refused to support them. Amazingly, it wasn't that von Kluge was against the removal of Hitler, he just didn't think it was right to shoot a man while he was eating."
I have seen more sources, although I cannot find anymore right now. I hope this helps to convince you. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I would like to dispute your reversion to my edit. On what grounds do you make the assertion that it is not considered WP:RS source? Please let me know of any unreliable material on the page I linked to. It strikes me as being a very detailed biography with material additional to the Wikipedia page. The primary sources quoted are also extremely useful. Tartarusrussell ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Once again, I would like to dispute your reversion to my edit. Please explain on what grounds do you make the assertion that it is not considered a reliable source? Please let me know of any unreliable material on the page I linked to. This strikes me as being a very well researched resource, and the biographies of 140-odd Nazi figures is historically of great use. Tartarusrussell ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I am challenging the reliability of a source you included in two articles with this edit and this one. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gregory Douglas and TBRNews.org for more information. Thanks! Location ( talk) 05:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I think that it is unhealthy for me to continue with this topic at this point in time. I have completed the re-categorization of SS officers for A through J. Perhaps you could work on the rest in your free time. It is easy to do in piecemeal. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks! COL (chuckling out loud). Did you want to join up on that 'Cultural depictions of John F. Kennedy' page? I have a couple of Phil Ochs songs to add to it, plus all the films and TV shows. When I was a kid I had one of the Kennedy family board games (jeez, I just remembered Vaughn Meader's records). He probably even has clothes and clothespins named after him. Randy Kryn 16:10 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I looked around, not in-depth but some, for more cultural pages and can't find any. I do recall a board game we used to have as a kid, where you could be one of the Kennedy family, complete with dice and cards. Don't know its name. The only other things I could think of is to go more in-depth on each item and give a good summary, but that can be done in spare moments and rainy days, if at all. Would it be okay with you if I mainspaced it? Seems ready to fly (not saying it will get far before the mother will have to feed it). If so, good working/editing with you, and anytime on that. Randy Kryn 18:33 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Another editor removed the 'John Kennedy High School' link on the template, it looks like there is a policy against linking to a disambiguation page on a template. That seems like a strange policy, as it links to relevant data, but I bump into strange policies in real life and if I broke them all would end up in prison and only edit Wikipedia on my home visits. So I'll remove the listing from the template, alas, although it's a perfectly good link if allowed to stay. I had a funny thing happen, check out the bottom of the talk page at 'Kennedy Space Center', an editor there, who seems to be a very good editor of space articles (bless his heart), didn't like the placement of the Kennedy template on the Space Center named after him. That's one I won't make a fuss over, although I hope he thinks about it and reverts himself and puts it back. The funny thing is the title of the section which contain his and my comments, a word I had to click on and read about to learn its meaning. Pretty clever. Randy Kryn 12:28 24 July 2014 (UTC)
After all the work you and I (and others) have put into the article I have finally re-nominated it for GA status. I know you detailed told me about the problem with citing Britannica and Spartacus - however, having seeing Britannica sources being used on F-articles and Spartacus on G-articles, I will allow them to be there unless the GA reviewer specifically asks me to be replaced them with book cites (which I still haven't been able to find). As I also mentioned on talk page, the article is somewhat short, but, like Eva Braun's article, I believed it contains the necessary comprehensiveness to pass, regardless of it's shortness. I know I nominated it a lot of times before, but this time my intuition is quite convinced. So, if there is anything final you wish to add, please do it soon. Cheers. :) Jonas Vinther ( talk) 16:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Please do not remove the mention to Spymaster on Muller's bio. The book is a work of careful, professional research and should be mentioned in the bio. There is no reason to dismiss it or its mention to the treated as a form of self-promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.147.15.198 ( talk) 19:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the star (my second, one more and I'll have to make a cabinet). Templates are an animal I'm fond of, nice maps of the overall person and career. Yet the main page on the person, like your JFK page, is the foundation-stone and centerpiece of the same concept. So a template is, to uncoin a phrase, a chip off the old block. And nothing without the block. Thanks again, and appreciated. Randy Kryn 16:19 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Today I added some additional content to the most recently edited section of the Gestapo article. Please take a quick moment to QC the edits for clarity and flow when you get a chance. Thanks. -- Obenritter ( talk) 23:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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In regards to your comments in User talk:Kierzek/Archive 4#Nazi Germany and Talk:Nazi Germany#Request for opinions: External Links, I am wondering if you might have further input at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#spartacus-educational.com. I noted some examples of errors that I found within the website, but another editor implied that they may not be as common elsewhere. Cheers! - Location ( talk) 16:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
As you may or may not have noticed, I'm currently in the process of a GA-expanding of Hitler's adjutants article. So far I have arranged all book cites in alphabetic order, added Google Books link, added ISBN's, and retrieved lots of online sources to replace Spartacus, among others. I also added a whole lot more text. I'm not done yet, but if you want to do some ce's accordingly to my edits (as you did previously), then please do so -- after all, we have both spent some time on the article. :) Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 19:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, again, Kierzek, hope you are doing well. I finished subcatting these. I intend to stop doing work on this type of WikiProject now. - Hoops gza ( talk) 00:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
KZ. if you have access to " Triumph of the Will" please take a close look at the flag bearer as the Leibstandarte marches by at the end parade. The SS member is wearing a double honor chevron! You can see it clearly at this link at 1:28:04 [3]. Any idea the significance? - OberRanks ( talk) 23:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Since I am so busy with winning the GA Cup I will most likely put the GA-expansion of the adjutants-article on standby for a bit. Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 23:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Ich habe gerade einiger relevanten Inhalte an die Gestapo Artikel hinzugefügt. Es braucht ohne Zweifel einige redaktionelle Bereinigung von einem frischen Satz Augen (lach). Wann und wenn Sie Zeit haben - nehmen Sie ein Beil zu ! Auch - es scheint mir, dass das Segment auf der Nürnberger Prozesse sollten bis zum Ende gestoßen werden. Schau mal an, und tun, was getan werden muss. Im Voraus - vielen Dank. -- Obenritter ( talk) 18:40, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Greetings, I know it's in the infobox, but shouldn't Heydrich's article state somewhere in the lead that he had several nicknames and then either list them or mention that they are in the infobox? - Hoops gza ( talk) 23:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Also, I assume that there's no proof that Ludwig was Martin Bormann's middle name? I see that it has been removed from the article. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:25, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. - Hoops gza ( talk) 17:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Looking at List of German field marshals and specifically noticing the dates, one can see that the 1940 F.M.C was not only the biggest field marshal promotion of World War II, but also the biggest field marshal promotion of German military history! Even more interesting, not all countries have or had the field marshal rank. Maybe it's the biggest field marshal promotion in military history! What's your take on this? Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 17:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
KZ, pretty big mystery I was hoping to get your input. Funny, also, I'm bending my contract rules by talking about this on Wikipedia since its a major topic in my pending book. Anyway... Have you ever seen a photograph of a mustering SS unit during World War II wearing the Allgemeine-SS grey wartime uniform with pre-war General-SS insignia normally worn only on the black uniform. For instance, someone in the 77th SS-Standarten wearing a "77" on the collar of the grey jacket or a cuffband with the company number and colored pipping that indicates battalion affiliation. My research has turned up something pretty interesting - there appears to be no record of any mustering SS unit wearing the grey uniform. The only photos I've ever found have been Abschnitt staff members wearing the grey uniform with a bare collar tab. Thoughts? Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 15:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
The GA-reviewer request we merge the field marshal and 20 July plot section together, but I don't quite see how all that could be arranged. Any ideas? Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 16:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
OK, three new major updates. One, I have removed the "the number of promotions were unexpected" as I, after second thought, didn't think it was that important; if you disagree feel free to add it back. Two, I have expanded the lead to make sure it summed up the article properly. Three, I have, as discussed, replaced the "20 July plot" section with an "Aftermath" section which briefly describes the future of each field marshal. I would like your thoughts on these updates and appreciate some ce's. Cheers. Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 02:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, well certainly that is something to briefly add into that section. The general reader will want to know what, in brief detail, happened to the ones promoted after the "event", as I have stated and we have discussed. Kierzek ( talk) 16:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
He is not mentioned once in Hitler's article. I'm guessing that this matter has already been discussed somewhere ad nauseum? - Hoops gza ( talk) 08:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Do you think it would be possible to create a Category:Personal staff of Heinrich Himmler, or would that be a little too complicated? - Hoops gza ( talk) 21:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC) I think it would be around ten people in the category. - Hoops gza ( talk) 00:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Jochen Peiper, Hermann Gauch. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:00, 4 December 2014 (UTC) How could we forget Rudolf Brandt and Karl Maria Wiligut? - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
It is done. I created a subcat that is perhaps best to empty into the parent and delete. What do you think? - Hoops gza ( talk) 02:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC) By the way, Karl Wolff does not have a category linking him with Hitler. - Hoops gza ( talk) 02:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Thanks for commending me. I think I shall be done with biographies on these people, though a couple more articles still to come. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I answered on the talk page. You are correct, I failed to understand that he held two different ranks in the Allgemeine SS and Waffen SS. I had to re-read my source to fully comprehend this. Sorry MisterBee1966 ( talk) 14:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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Shirer had access to a vast archive. Just because YOU consider him dated doesn't mean he is. And, 19 million is a gross exaggeration. 20 million was the total sum of Soviet casualties, be it KIA/MIA both military and civilian. Historycurious ( talk) 15:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Edit: I'll give you the latest figures for that, from a "non outdated source", since you're rather picky in that regard ;-) Historycurious ( talk) 15:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, but out of curiosity, where did you get that exaggerated sum? (I'm not criticising,just seems over the top.) In every single history book I've read, the admitted figure of Soviet Killed/missing is circa 20 million. Historycurious ( talk) 20:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Kierzek, I just posted this on the John F. Kennedy "talk" page, but I wanted to thank you directly, also. Thanks, Guys!! Thanks for getting JFK's Berlin Speech photo "flip-flopped," especially so fast!! (His hair part, not to mention his breast-pocket handkerchief.) So, I went to the article's edit section (the West Berlin Speech section) and "flip-flopped" the photo in the article, also. Now, I need to see about his photo "facing in." Take care, Rob Thanks again, Rob BeatlesVox ( talk) 00:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC) P.S. I meant WEST Berlin, of course. :-O BeatlesVox ( talk) 01:06, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for adding to the List of books about Nazi Germany page. I really appreciate that. As you probably already noticed, I have turned this into a fairly comprehensive list from its original starting place of around 50 books. My hope is that this page will benefit scholars and novice students of Nazi Germany in the future. There are so many more works in German to add but since this is not Wikipedia.de I have refrained for the most part from adding them. There are however some important German works that have yet to be translated that I have added for scholars or those competent in German.
Please pardon my latest tirade on the Wikipage about Nazi Germany. I clearly showed how Nordicism was important and how classifying Germans really did occur. Anyone who thinks that appearance did not matter in the Third Reich is hard to take serious. There were propaganda posters all over Germany showing what Nordisch people looked like and what "Jews" were supposed to look like. Nonetheless, in my original post I never even mentioned appearance but my sentence got construed as such by Windows66. This is really irking me. I am a professional historian and my expertise over Nazi Germany is fairly formidable in comparison to most. In fact, I just got back from a month of research in Germany. In my personal library alone, I have several hundred works and 30 years of research - which is why I do not take kindly to somebody exclaiming that my contribution was wrong. For the sake of curiosity and between us, I am related to Franz Halder which may be one of the reasons my life has been plagued with research about those 12 awful years. Additionally, my best friend's grandfather was one of the propulsion engineers on the ME-262; my cousin's grandfather worked on the Bismarck and my own Kraut grandfather committed suicide shortly after the war. So let's just say that I have a vested interest in this period. Anyway, whatever changes the group collectively feel which need to be made, I am OK with them and your point about avoiding summations is not wrong. There are so many things missing in the Seizure of Power section, like the German predilection for authoritarian government in the wake of industrialization - which as you know was accompanied by the push for parliamentary governance in most other European state, Weimar legitimacy in the face of the Depression, the Nazi manipulation of the system, etc. that I felt a brief add on was appropriate. Obenritter (my profile pic is 20+ years old) —Preceding undated comment added 02:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Kierzek. The funny thing about the discussion on appearance is that the sentence never even stated that. You are correct about not taking things personal as it tends to clutter the discussion. At this point I have cited upwards of a dozen sources or more in making my case about the sentence and even have proposed amending the sentence for clarity but Windows66 insists on trying to dictate what should and should not remain and is trying to pass him/her self off as an authority. All of the academic substantiation is being brushed off. Take a look at it if you have the time. Like I stated, I am leaving that page alone at this point. I was merely attempting to clarify to the group that what was inferred versus what the sentence stated are two very different things. Jews and Germans were categorized by the Nazis as the sources I have provided in the debate show.
In terms of omitting books from the English page - I am OK if you want to remove some of the German works, but keep in mind, there may not be anything else from the authors (some of whom would be considered primary sources) in English. That is why I think some of them need to stay. If you remove any please use discretion. While you suggest that older works be removed, that detracts from the study of the topic. Just how the study of history develops over time and as more sources appear makes the older books very valuable. The historiography of Nazi Germany is a fascinating study in and of itself. Think of Fritz Fischer's insistence on German aggression and militarism dating back to Bismarck and before, the whole Sonderweg discourse, the Historikerstreit of the 1980s about functionalism and intentionalism, or the more recent debate stirred up by Daniel Goldhagen's work with his putative eliminationist anti-Semitism rhetoric. When I first read that book, I threw it across the room more than once. It was an insult to Germans in general, although Goldhagen enjoyed fame for exonerating the current generation of Germans. Anyway - what I am saying is that many of those old works are both pertinent for their academic depth and still accurate for the most part, and they are important in terms of Third Reich historiography. How would we decide what should stay and what should remain? Many of the newer works on Nazi Germany are strictly attempts at making money and are not high-quality scholarship. Please advise as to how you think we should approach omitting works. Of note: I am trying to use the Chicago-Turabian format for the books as this is the one used by historians, not that this is all that important. -- Obenritter ( talk) 22:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi I noticed you awarded the user Hohum @ with The Original Barnstar. since you are an expert for nazi germany you might be interested in the article /info/en/?search=Bombing_of_Wielun hohum violated wiki rules from WP:RELIABLE, WP:THIRDPARTY, WP:NPOV to WP:WEIGHT in his introduction and refuses to change his text. because of his personal opinion he doesn't even abide by WP:EDITCONSENSUS. he uses unreliable sources (2) which clearly are not independent or known for fact checking and ignores 3 historians (one from poland, one from the UK and one from germany) who all argue that calling the bombing of wielun a terror bombing is not just. yet he's gone even further and wrote this into the introduction "It is considered to be one of the first terror bombings in history" and reverted my changes to "It is considered to be one of the first bombings in Europe in this war." in the talk page he purposely plays a fool by ignoring and not reading all argument and hides behind WP:CIVIL. (nice trick to avoid an argument) maybe you can provide a third party opinion. Swunt10 ( talk) 21:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Is it not worth noting of the induction of the marriage order that required not only the SS member but also his fiancee's ancestry to be investigated? I can't see this covered anywhere on the Himmler article.-- Windows66 ( talk) 15:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
How about instead of "SS men were carefully vetted for their racial background and were required to get racial certificates of any prospective spouses." to "Himmler introduced on December 31, 1931 the "marriage order" which made SS men wishing to get married to their fiancee to produce family trees proving that themselves and their fiancee's family were of Aryan descent to 1800." Also, in the book Heinrich Himmler: A Life it states "If a non-Aryan forebear was found in anyone's family tree the person concerned was excluded from the SS on principle." this might be worth adding such as "if any non-Aryan was found in an SS member's family tree he was excluded" or something along those lines. What do you think?-- Windows66 ( talk) 17:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes I think that is fine and much more constructive than mine and good info to add to the article. Nice job Kierzek. I will thank your edit. (y)-- Windows66 ( talk) 18:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC) All of what you are going to edit is mentioned in Heinrich Himmler: A Life by Peter Longerich which is already in the bibliography section already if you want to use this as citing for this info too.-- Windows66 ( talk) 18:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Done. I also also did a minor edit of words to avoid copyright of the Heinrich Himmler: A Life book and just the marriage order sentence before the investigation of a non-Aryan being found, it makes more sense since the investigation was not done until that order came in if you are with me.-- Windows66 ( talk) 21:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
why did you revert my edits, i was not inserting a single motto, but refer to a section about all the mottos which was acutally proposed in the talkpage Kalix94 ( talk) 19:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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The reason I deleted the CN's from the page is because they are from Walther von Brauchitschs Wikipedia page. But thank you very much, for your contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas Vinther ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Read and understood, thanks mate. --Jonas Vinther
Hi again, since you are an expert on the topic I thought I would ask you; do you know if Nebe was in the military service at all during the time of the Weimar Republic? Hoops gza ( talk) 15:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC) On second thought I think I will just translate the info from the German version and obtain it from there. I can see that he did indeed serve for the Weimar Republic. Hoops gza ( talk) 15:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I have a couple of new articles that I would appreciate you combing through when you have the chance:
Thanks as always. Hoops gza ( talk) 01:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments and thanks for going over these with a good comb. I can see that I was tired when making some of these articles. These shall be my last on this topic. Good luck with these into the future. Hoops gza ( talk) 19:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
This 1929 photo of Himmler might be a nice addition to his article, completely up to you: File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146II-783, Heinrich Himmler.jpg. Hoops gza ( talk) 05:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to the both of you. I shall now close this chapter of my research, best to keep my hands away from this subject in the future. Best of luck in the future. Hoops gza ( talk) 21:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I can assure you von Kluge was involved, heavily involved at that. He insurred the arrest of thousands of SS and Gestapo agents in Paris. - Jonas Vinther
No matter what role he played in the 20 July Plot, I think the fact he committed suicide rather than face Hitler or court, says something in itself. I don't know where you have the article from, but I have seen countless BBC documentaries regarding von Kluge and all stated that he committed suicide due to the failure of the 20 July Plot. Of course that doesn't mean he was actively involved and that he might just didn't wish to serve Hitler anymore, but felt bound to his oath - therefore committed suicide. BUT I can assure you he ensured the arrest of SS and Gestapo agents in Paris, which makes him involved, regardless of what role he played or how active he was. - Jonas Vinther
You might find the link " objective historian" interesting and use its analysis to see if you think Elena Sinyavskaya passes those tests, or if relying on one fact from one primary source, and not balancing that against other primary sources means that she fails the test and is not an objective historian. -- PBS ( talk) 13:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate, check out this brand new article I made, it's pretty awesome - Hitler and Mannerheim recording.
Please notice I wrote EVERYTHING myself. I personally wrote the entire monologue. It took me hours, but I did it for Wikipedia. - Jonas Vinther
Why did you revert it? It being more chronologically correct is not as important in the beginning, if the short version is embedded somewhere else. This is how Google writes to the query "Hitler": My version (still in cache): "Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party. He was at the centre of Nazi Germany, World War II in Europe, and the Holocaust. This would be the reverted version: "Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party. He was chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 and dictator of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945." Which is correct of course, but it is not the important part about Hitler. -- RicardAnufriev ( talk) 14:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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A user has come over from the German language Wikipedia with new sources, some of them clear and some obscure, but there seems to me to be a lack of objectivity in the air and I would appreciate a little help with keeping the page to its sources. Please see Talk:Günther von Reibnitz. Regards, Moonraker ( talk) 01:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Kierzek - I saw where you deleted Grey Wolf as a fringe work. Not sure that outright deleting the book was necessary. A footnote or caveat after the book may have sufficed. No? Given its sales, I thought it deserved mention. After all, the most recent forensic studies on this matter have conclusively proven that the skull the former Soviets had - when examined, was not that of der Führer. Likewise, there was an extensive file about this with the FBI. Both Stalin and Zhukov believed Hitler had escaped. Just sayin'. No dog in this fight however, as it is not important by any means. -- Obenritter ( talk) 22:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Cheers, Kierzek ( talk) 22:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Happy WikiBirthday friend. I hope everything is going good. I would like to thank you for the kindness you've shown me on Wikipedia. Unfortunately I didn't bring a gift. - Jonas Vinther
"A large crowd of well-wishers and reporters gathered on the sidewalk outside her apartment." The photo adds to the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.23 ( talk) 02:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Earlier you said that a simple sentence can be added to the article that reflects the view of Russian historians.
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Greetings, was Reinhard Heydrich ever referred to as Richard Heydrich? Right now "Richard Heydrich" is a redirect to Reinhard's page. I'm guessing that it was intended to direct to his father, whose article did not exist at the time that this redirect was created.
By the way, Himmler's wife has a huge article in German, while there is no article for her in English. It may be good for us to find someone who could translate the page well. Hoops gza ( talk) 20:11, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, Hauptamt Sicherheitspolizei should obviously be merged with Sicherheitspolizei. Perhaps you would be good at merging the two? Hoops gza ( talk) 22:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I leave points two and three up to you. I've had my fill of this sort of thing. There is certainly no hurry on them. I cannot speak German, otherwise I would proceed full speed on an article on Himmler's wife, but I do think it is essential to the English Wikipedia. Cheers. Hoops gza ( talk) 05:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Kierzek. Your superb copyediting skills would be appreciated at Karl Bischoff. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear friend, it was only just a few seconds ago I saw you created an article named "Albert Bormann". I have been looking for the article of that man for ages, I've seen him by Hitler's side countless times, and always wondered who he was, but of course, since I didn't know his name, I couldn't find his article. Thank you for creating it friend. - Jonas Vinther
Actually, I'm making a list over all of Adolf Hitler's adjutants, so far I have noted Wilhelm Bruckner Julius Schaub, Otto Günsche, Gerhard Engel, Nicolaus von Below, Karl-Jesco von Puttkamer, Alwin-Broder Albrecht, and Fritz Darges. Do you know anymore? - Jonas Vinther
Yes well, I considered adding Krause, but he was actually hired as Hitler's chief aid, not adjutant. It's because I made this article: Adolf Hitler's adjutants. - Jonas Vinther
Okay, nice I will certainly add them right away... By the way, I don't get any kind of notifications whenever you write something in these sections, do you? is there someway you could be notified, so you don't have to check everything all the time? - Jonas Vinther
Hi Kierzek. I noticed there's a Harvard citation error in 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler: a citation points to "Reynolds 2006", but there's no such book in the bibliography. I am hoping you can clear this up using the books you have available in your collection. Thanks, -- Diannaa ( talk) 14:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi friend. Have you seen the Military Channel documentary called Inside the Mind of Adolf Hitler? it's very interesting and based on Langer's secret OSS report regarding Hitler's future conduct. If you wish to see it, it's available on youtube. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 10:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate. We should nominate 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony for good article status. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 10:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I will, but I don't know how to nominate an article for good status. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 22:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much, I'll do my best. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 13:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
I left a message on the article's talk page regarding the recent confusion and edit-dispute. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 20:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Have you published any of your work? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 17:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. Thanks for your recent many edits on the field marshal ceremony article, I'm sure it will get good article status, eventually! Jonas Vinther ( talk) 16:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
You don't think it's worth noting where his father and mother were born and died? German Wikipedia makes note of this. Hoops gza ( talk) 15:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Generally speaking, what do you think about creating a navbox sometime for Himmler? Hoops gza ( talk) 23:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the edits on Gestapa. It was not entirely clear to me what this term meant, as I could only ascertain that it was an office of the Gestapo or something similar. Hoops gza ( talk) 17:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Article now complete. Hoops gza ( talk) 17:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC) I will be sure to link you to new articles from now on if you show an interest. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Two of the sources in the "further reading" section are the German versions of English equivalents used in the article, namely, Longerich and Die Bruder Himmler. Should I remove these from the page? Hoops gza ( talk) 01:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. I'm confused as to why you changed "girlfriend" back to "lover"? Here's a quote from the man who ran Hitler's Berghof:
"My wife was always very curious, as was I, and she often did Hitler's washing, and the first thing she'd do is to check if there had been any sexual activity. But there was never any evidence, my wife checked the sheets, and there was no signs of sexual activity, none. And if we had private conversations with the chambermaids, they'd say the same thing, no evidence could ever be found."
I would only say it should say "lover" if it's considered a more used synonym for "girlfriend". Jonas Vinther ( talk) 14:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi mate. Schaub's section says: "Near the end of the war, on 23 August 1945, Hitler ordered Schaub to burn all his personal belongings, which he did." Please notice the date. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 09:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you think I'm taking too much from Longerich? If so, feel free to revert or reword. Hoops gza ( talk) 20:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
That book is a beast. Two hundred pages of endnotes! Hoops gza ( talk) 21:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Would you say it's worth writing an article about Paulus's son, Ernst Alexander Paulus, who also served in World War II, and rose to a high rank? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 01:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if I like this. Seems a bit excessive, especially since we don't have cats for other ranks held in other military structures. I regrettably don't have the time to start a thread somewhere for action, but may be you start this rolling for review. Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 22:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Doing the math on this, it would seem that we have about 100 of each rank all the way down to lieutenant. Does that change your opinion? Hoops gza ( talk) 18:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
So you are proposing that I draw the line at Category:SS-Standartenführer? - Hoops gza ( talk) 16:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
I am tempted to create a Category:Nazis who served in World War I, as I think it might actually have some relevance. Thoughts? - Hoops gza ( talk) 17:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Great you added cite's to Julius Schaub's article, those can be added to Hitler's adjutants article. Schaub was the only adjutant I couldn't find any sources too, now we have them all. Good job, friend. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 17:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I have created a Category:Police of Nazi Germany and am currently populating it. I am trying to mirror the de:Kategorie:Polizei im Nationalsozialismus as much as possible. - Hoops gza ( talk) 21:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a de:Kategorie:Ordnungspolizei (Orpo). Should I make an Category:Orpo with appropriate parent and subcategories? - Hoops gza ( talk) 22:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I exhausted all of the German categories for police except for the Gestapo, which you may wish to do yourself. I also did not complete the correcting of SSPF, which you may wish to do. I am taking a break from this topic for an indefinite time. Thanks for all of your help in these regards. - Hoops gza ( talk) 06:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi friend. I was thinking: should Hitler's adjutants article be an article regarding the occupation of being Hitler's adjutant, the daily routines, the close contact with Hitler, and so on. Or, should it be a mini bio of all his adjutants as it more or less is now? Jonas Vinther ( talk) 08:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, friend. I told a while ago when you asked whether von Kluge was actually involved or not. I found some more recent and updated sources from BBC and OJSC to support my belief:
"von Kluge, commander of Army Group Center, was awarded the Oak Leaves cluster to his Knight's Cross, but in secret, the field marshal was already plotting against Hitler. In July 1944, von Kluge was in France, commanding the Western Front, when von Stauffenberg tried to blow up the Führer at his headquarters in East Prussia. When it became clear the plot had failed, von Kluge took a cyanide pill. He was succeed by his former subordinate, Walther Model."
"The plotters discussed two ways of killing Hitler. One was a direct approach, a group of offciers volunteered to shoot Hitler while he was at lunch, but when news of this reached Gunther von Kluge, commander of Army Group Center, who was also sympathetic to the plotters, he refused to support them. Amazingly, it wasn't that von Kluge was against the removal of Hitler, he just didn't think it was right to shoot a man while he was eating."
I have seen more sources, although I cannot find anymore right now. I hope this helps to convince you. Jonas Vinther ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I would like to dispute your reversion to my edit. On what grounds do you make the assertion that it is not considered WP:RS source? Please let me know of any unreliable material on the page I linked to. It strikes me as being a very detailed biography with material additional to the Wikipedia page. The primary sources quoted are also extremely useful. Tartarusrussell ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Once again, I would like to dispute your reversion to my edit. Please explain on what grounds do you make the assertion that it is not considered a reliable source? Please let me know of any unreliable material on the page I linked to. This strikes me as being a very well researched resource, and the biographies of 140-odd Nazi figures is historically of great use. Tartarusrussell ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I am challenging the reliability of a source you included in two articles with this edit and this one. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gregory Douglas and TBRNews.org for more information. Thanks! Location ( talk) 05:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I think that it is unhealthy for me to continue with this topic at this point in time. I have completed the re-categorization of SS officers for A through J. Perhaps you could work on the rest in your free time. It is easy to do in piecemeal. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Führerbunker you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Feitlebaum -- Feitlebaum ( talk) 23:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
The article Führerbunker you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Führerbunker for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Feitlebaum -- Feitlebaum ( talk) 01:22, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! COL (chuckling out loud). Did you want to join up on that 'Cultural depictions of John F. Kennedy' page? I have a couple of Phil Ochs songs to add to it, plus all the films and TV shows. When I was a kid I had one of the Kennedy family board games (jeez, I just remembered Vaughn Meader's records). He probably even has clothes and clothespins named after him. Randy Kryn 16:10 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I looked around, not in-depth but some, for more cultural pages and can't find any. I do recall a board game we used to have as a kid, where you could be one of the Kennedy family, complete with dice and cards. Don't know its name. The only other things I could think of is to go more in-depth on each item and give a good summary, but that can be done in spare moments and rainy days, if at all. Would it be okay with you if I mainspaced it? Seems ready to fly (not saying it will get far before the mother will have to feed it). If so, good working/editing with you, and anytime on that. Randy Kryn 18:33 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Another editor removed the 'John Kennedy High School' link on the template, it looks like there is a policy against linking to a disambiguation page on a template. That seems like a strange policy, as it links to relevant data, but I bump into strange policies in real life and if I broke them all would end up in prison and only edit Wikipedia on my home visits. So I'll remove the listing from the template, alas, although it's a perfectly good link if allowed to stay. I had a funny thing happen, check out the bottom of the talk page at 'Kennedy Space Center', an editor there, who seems to be a very good editor of space articles (bless his heart), didn't like the placement of the Kennedy template on the Space Center named after him. That's one I won't make a fuss over, although I hope he thinks about it and reverts himself and puts it back. The funny thing is the title of the section which contain his and my comments, a word I had to click on and read about to learn its meaning. Pretty clever. Randy Kryn 12:28 24 July 2014 (UTC)
After all the work you and I (and others) have put into the article I have finally re-nominated it for GA status. I know you detailed told me about the problem with citing Britannica and Spartacus - however, having seeing Britannica sources being used on F-articles and Spartacus on G-articles, I will allow them to be there unless the GA reviewer specifically asks me to be replaced them with book cites (which I still haven't been able to find). As I also mentioned on talk page, the article is somewhat short, but, like Eva Braun's article, I believed it contains the necessary comprehensiveness to pass, regardless of it's shortness. I know I nominated it a lot of times before, but this time my intuition is quite convinced. So, if there is anything final you wish to add, please do it soon. Cheers. :) Jonas Vinther ( talk) 16:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Please do not remove the mention to Spymaster on Muller's bio. The book is a work of careful, professional research and should be mentioned in the bio. There is no reason to dismiss it or its mention to the treated as a form of self-promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.147.15.198 ( talk) 19:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the star (my second, one more and I'll have to make a cabinet). Templates are an animal I'm fond of, nice maps of the overall person and career. Yet the main page on the person, like your JFK page, is the foundation-stone and centerpiece of the same concept. So a template is, to uncoin a phrase, a chip off the old block. And nothing without the block. Thanks again, and appreciated. Randy Kryn 16:19 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Today I added some additional content to the most recently edited section of the Gestapo article. Please take a quick moment to QC the edits for clarity and flow when you get a chance. Thanks. -- Obenritter ( talk) 23:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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In regards to your comments in User talk:Kierzek/Archive 4#Nazi Germany and Talk:Nazi Germany#Request for opinions: External Links, I am wondering if you might have further input at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#spartacus-educational.com. I noted some examples of errors that I found within the website, but another editor implied that they may not be as common elsewhere. Cheers! - Location ( talk) 16:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
As you may or may not have noticed, I'm currently in the process of a GA-expanding of Hitler's adjutants article. So far I have arranged all book cites in alphabetic order, added Google Books link, added ISBN's, and retrieved lots of online sources to replace Spartacus, among others. I also added a whole lot more text. I'm not done yet, but if you want to do some ce's accordingly to my edits (as you did previously), then please do so -- after all, we have both spent some time on the article. :) Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 19:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, again, Kierzek, hope you are doing well. I finished subcatting these. I intend to stop doing work on this type of WikiProject now. - Hoops gza ( talk) 00:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
KZ. if you have access to " Triumph of the Will" please take a close look at the flag bearer as the Leibstandarte marches by at the end parade. The SS member is wearing a double honor chevron! You can see it clearly at this link at 1:28:04 [3]. Any idea the significance? - OberRanks ( talk) 23:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Since I am so busy with winning the GA Cup I will most likely put the GA-expansion of the adjutants-article on standby for a bit. Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 23:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Ich habe gerade einiger relevanten Inhalte an die Gestapo Artikel hinzugefügt. Es braucht ohne Zweifel einige redaktionelle Bereinigung von einem frischen Satz Augen (lach). Wann und wenn Sie Zeit haben - nehmen Sie ein Beil zu ! Auch - es scheint mir, dass das Segment auf der Nürnberger Prozesse sollten bis zum Ende gestoßen werden. Schau mal an, und tun, was getan werden muss. Im Voraus - vielen Dank. -- Obenritter ( talk) 18:40, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Greetings, I know it's in the infobox, but shouldn't Heydrich's article state somewhere in the lead that he had several nicknames and then either list them or mention that they are in the infobox? - Hoops gza ( talk) 23:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Also, I assume that there's no proof that Ludwig was Martin Bormann's middle name? I see that it has been removed from the article. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:25, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. - Hoops gza ( talk) 17:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Looking at List of German field marshals and specifically noticing the dates, one can see that the 1940 F.M.C was not only the biggest field marshal promotion of World War II, but also the biggest field marshal promotion of German military history! Even more interesting, not all countries have or had the field marshal rank. Maybe it's the biggest field marshal promotion in military history! What's your take on this? Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 17:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
KZ, pretty big mystery I was hoping to get your input. Funny, also, I'm bending my contract rules by talking about this on Wikipedia since its a major topic in my pending book. Anyway... Have you ever seen a photograph of a mustering SS unit during World War II wearing the Allgemeine-SS grey wartime uniform with pre-war General-SS insignia normally worn only on the black uniform. For instance, someone in the 77th SS-Standarten wearing a "77" on the collar of the grey jacket or a cuffband with the company number and colored pipping that indicates battalion affiliation. My research has turned up something pretty interesting - there appears to be no record of any mustering SS unit wearing the grey uniform. The only photos I've ever found have been Abschnitt staff members wearing the grey uniform with a bare collar tab. Thoughts? Thanks! - OberRanks ( talk) 15:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
The GA-reviewer request we merge the field marshal and 20 July plot section together, but I don't quite see how all that could be arranged. Any ideas? Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 16:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
OK, three new major updates. One, I have removed the "the number of promotions were unexpected" as I, after second thought, didn't think it was that important; if you disagree feel free to add it back. Two, I have expanded the lead to make sure it summed up the article properly. Three, I have, as discussed, replaced the "20 July plot" section with an "Aftermath" section which briefly describes the future of each field marshal. I would like your thoughts on these updates and appreciate some ce's. Cheers. Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 02:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, well certainly that is something to briefly add into that section. The general reader will want to know what, in brief detail, happened to the ones promoted after the "event", as I have stated and we have discussed. Kierzek ( talk) 16:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
He is not mentioned once in Hitler's article. I'm guessing that this matter has already been discussed somewhere ad nauseum? - Hoops gza ( talk) 08:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Do you think it would be possible to create a Category:Personal staff of Heinrich Himmler, or would that be a little too complicated? - Hoops gza ( talk) 21:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC) I think it would be around ten people in the category. - Hoops gza ( talk) 00:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Jochen Peiper, Hermann Gauch. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:00, 4 December 2014 (UTC) How could we forget Rudolf Brandt and Karl Maria Wiligut? - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
It is done. I created a subcat that is perhaps best to empty into the parent and delete. What do you think? - Hoops gza ( talk) 02:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC) By the way, Karl Wolff does not have a category linking him with Hitler. - Hoops gza ( talk) 02:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Thanks for commending me. I think I shall be done with biographies on these people, though a couple more articles still to come. - Hoops gza ( talk) 01:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I answered on the talk page. You are correct, I failed to understand that he held two different ranks in the Allgemeine SS and Waffen SS. I had to re-read my source to fully comprehend this. Sorry MisterBee1966 ( talk) 14:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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Shirer had access to a vast archive. Just because YOU consider him dated doesn't mean he is. And, 19 million is a gross exaggeration. 20 million was the total sum of Soviet casualties, be it KIA/MIA both military and civilian. Historycurious ( talk) 15:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Edit: I'll give you the latest figures for that, from a "non outdated source", since you're rather picky in that regard ;-) Historycurious ( talk) 15:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, but out of curiosity, where did you get that exaggerated sum? (I'm not criticising,just seems over the top.) In every single history book I've read, the admitted figure of Soviet Killed/missing is circa 20 million. Historycurious ( talk) 20:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Merry Christmas my friend. All the best to you and your family. Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 21:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Kierzek, I just posted this on the John F. Kennedy "talk" page, but I wanted to thank you directly, also. Thanks, Guys!! Thanks for getting JFK's Berlin Speech photo "flip-flopped," especially so fast!! (His hair part, not to mention his breast-pocket handkerchief.) So, I went to the article's edit section (the West Berlin Speech section) and "flip-flopped" the photo in the article, also. Now, I need to see about his photo "facing in." Take care, Rob Thanks again, Rob BeatlesVox ( talk) 00:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC) P.S. I meant WEST Berlin, of course. :-O BeatlesVox ( talk) 01:06, 26 December 2014 (UTC)