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I am planning to nominate all law firms of Category:Law firms in Israel for deletion, as a bundle. They are all failing WP:CORP, in the same way. Since you have been involved in similar cases, would you see this as a good idea? Thanks. -- Edcolins 23:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Reply. -- Doug talk 20:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting the vandalism of my user page on January 11th. The same thing has happened again so I woulld be most grateful if you would again do a revert. Geoffrey Wickham 20:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your support on my talk page. Exactly what I wrote here. -- Edcolins 21:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
... for informing about that this discussion on the Admin's noticeboard! -- Edcolins 20:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed your link to WP:SOFT into WP:SOFTWARE: WP:SOFT is about mediawiki, and I think that it wasn't what you meant. Anyway consider that WP:SOFTWARE is only a proposed guideline, so I think that you should provide another argument by Snowolf (talk) on 21:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for responding, and after looking through your contributions more I am certain of your character. I'm sorry I had to waste your time reading that, but its just a response to what I've seen recently on RfAs. If you were to stand for one, I'd be glad to give my support. Dåvid ƒuchs( talk • contribs) 16:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Dont you dare assume anything about what other editors think let alone claim to speak for them. That is the worst kind of trolling. Please desist, SqueakBox 21:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
To claim others cant criticise Brown people without criticising you is absurd rubbish, the misapplying WP:AGF is worse. Please stop being so aggressive and stick to the arguments, which other users absolutely have the right to elucidate in a way that is critical of the article, SqueakBox 19:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Your going behind my back at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is a clear indication thaty you are the one assuming bad faith. If you cant handle the frustrations of editing I suggest you take a break from the article in question. Your slur that I edited white people and your other rule violatuions may nmean I decide to take further action if you refuse to calm down and discuss reasonsably and rationallt, SqueakBox 19:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
yes well the rascist who got me in fron of the arbcom is now permanently banned. See
User:BlackApe. My arbcom case concerns Zapatero, it doesnt stop me pointing out OR, rascism or anything else,
SqueakBox
21:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made no bad faith assumptions against you, why are you harrassing me? Brown people is a rascist concept and then Uncle G turned it into an OR piece and you told admins that this means when people write delete thay mean keep, and since then you havent stopped attacking me, SqueakBox 22:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you desist from writing me messages on my user page (I watch arb en in any case) and I will stop writing to you, SqueakBox 22:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor has nominated the article IPhony for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPhony. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article IPhony during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate. Jayden54Bot 13:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in White people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.
Technically, you violated the rule already; however, I will let you off the hook this time, only giving you a stern warning. However, the next 3RR violation will surely result in a block. Also, I have protected the article. Please discuss changes on the talkpage first before adding changes. -- 210 physicq ( c) 22:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I understand that you are concerned with vandalizing. My user page has been 3 times edited with silly comments by 203.158.49.47. Are you able to block that Ip address? I know the person from about 29 years ago, he is mid 50's, an alcoholic with an obsession about a 'conspiracy' in the mid 1960's. If you can help it would be greatly appreciated. Geoffrey Wickham 09:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for dealing with and reporting the group of vandals at my school today. I really appreciate it. :) — Mr. Strong Bad/ talk 22:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for re-working / listening to the concerning the Charlotte Catholic High School page Hunter 22:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not use this template any more. This is a non-sense template. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 23:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There has been a renewed discussion about removing the several stock market indicies critera from the notability guidelines for organizations and companies (merged organizations with companies & corporations). I interpret your prior comments as being in support of removing these confusing criteria, but would like to clarify before evaluating our consensus. Thanks! -- Kevin Murray 04:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, but why are you telling me?? I didn't nominate it. Noclevername 23:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing immediately apparent that makes this article more advertising-like than that about, for example, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. If CampusJ had been the subject of controversies or somesuch, those would certainly be noted, but it hasn't. The only reason I'm the one who made this page is because someone else who'd tried to make one about CampusJ previously hadn't produced one that met the notability standard of several independent articles on the topic, because he didn't know where to find that coverage. That person contacted me, so I put one up myself that was largely similar to his original (but obviously I couldn't make it identical), except that it included several such articles, in order to fulfill the notability standard. I put no personal or qualitative assessments into it; it's strictly a few facts that are indisputable, and some links to stories about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steveniweiss ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
Responded on your talk page. ju66l3r 23:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I would really appreciate your help. I'm new to Wikipedia politics and rules, but I'm really loving it so far. I like this discussion page we're having on the Bridge film. It's like friendly debating for a good cause (You're really good at it by the way). Pretty fun :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulhorner ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
Hi, sorry to bother you with this, but would you mind to formally repeat your endorsement of "XXXholic" in the move discussion at Talk:×××HOLiC? With all the recent fuss around WP:MOS-TM, I'm sure we'd all hate to have another precedent in favor of stylized typography go down, because enough fans of the manga happened to show up. Regards - Cyrus XIII 12:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The Daily Express is a national British newspaper and is undeniably a reliable source.-- 20.138.246.89 11:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry to bother you but since you have expressed interest in that article would you please be kind enough to weigh in on the undue weight issue I raise on the talk page? Thanks. -- Justanother 05:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
Hi there, you reverted offensive comments on my user talk page left by a user in which I warned for having an inappropriate username, for that I would just like to thank you and give you this barnstar. Again thank you and happy editing!!! Regards - Telly addict 12:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
Thanks! I was doing some follow-up work on AIV and the vandal's contributions led me to your talk page. Snip-snap, good as new. Anytime! ju66l3r 13:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Recently you removed a link to my website that sold bump keys. I reposed this link, but could not figure out why it was taken down. I just figured out that I can look at the history and see a note to me as to why you removed it.
I apologize for posting a spam link, and would like to link to my documentation and instructions page, that includes a demonstration video, instructions and templates for making bump keys, and instructions on their use.
I am writting, so you do not think that I am trying to spam again. I use Wiki often, and feel that my contributions will be worth while.
Thank you,
Jeremy www.bump-j.com support@bump-j.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.67.253 ( talk) 17:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Just added 3 mainstream newspaper articles. Thought you'd like to know. I think we may have to be proactive about this, because it might be easier searching the same sources for these in general, and adding them as appropriate. Not this week. You might want to see my talk p. for some comments. If you didnt see, Jimbo just put ATT back to square zero. DGG 18:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't understand why quoting a book that identifies aloe vera as a glyconutrient therapy is not germane to the discussion of glyconutrients? If there are multiple definitions of what glyconutrients are, i.e. if they are not only products sold by mannatech, it would seem to me to be POV suppression to remove any legitimate definition.
Did you even read the source from which I was quoting. One title is: "Aloe vera, a glyconutrient"
I may be a little dense, but what am I missing here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alterrabe ( talk • contribs)
I feel that we're going to be going in circles here. You have put a certain level of faith in the nonsense that Mannatech and LEF and other companies like this publish. They introduce a minor level of science and then extrapolate the results well beyond reasonability. It's a serious abuse of the scientific process and they only do so in order to make money. I have not put that faith in their works. I require rigorous scientific evidence for the claims that they make. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. These groups provide little if any proof. The LEF takes exceptional liberties with the data and then builds conclusion upon conclusion on top of each other and you are doing the same thing here. When I called you on it above, you feign ignorance and treat me as if I'm stupid for following you out so far on the flagpole. You quote a study where mice with tumors have aloe vera applied and the tumor supposedly shrinks...and claim you were discussing preventative because it's safer than saying what the data would lead to assume (that it's curative). You want to argue over inaccurate and leading statements about the utility of these proposed treatments/preventions/cures and then hide behind a disclaimer in the same manner as the companies. You act as if I don't know how the shell game is played and want to argue by attrition rather than attribution. Well, in that regard, you win. I'm done going back and forth with you on my talk page about this. You have not presented any reliable sourcing for your additions. Don't like my decision on the matter? There are dispute resolution options at your disposal. I will not allow the LEF to be quoted as if it is a reliable source. ju66l3r 16:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to write. Let me address your points, and then share my own rationale (if I don;t do both simultaneously):
Is every red link people come across notable? Ok, thats unfair. But take a look at my recent edits to the US Supreme Court. They provide the reader immediate access to a credible third party where they can quickly reference the material. Are they here to create pages or find information?
How long will we wait to fill in many of the red links? Again, I'm making a judgment call on notability in some respects. Still, what's the intent of wikipedia? Providing knowledge or making things either for editors? I don;tthink it has to be one or the other, hence my middle ground approach. I'm not deleting the information while still providing content. Individuals can still create pages, and people can later link it to them.
Will it take longer for an article to be created? I'm not sure there's an unbiased way to assess that. Does the causal reader know a red link means the page does not exist? For me the absence of a link is just as telling (if not more so) as the presence of a red link. To the average reader, the red link symbolizes broken, meaning the page DOES exist. (A counter argument is that people who click on red links will find the truth, but again, do we know how often that click does or does not occur?)
Consider this: how many doctoral students writing their thesis, or other researchers, would love to have the ability to give the reader a chance to instantly pull up what is being referenced, rather than flipping to the end notes section, then pouring through the library to find the original source? I don't mind leaving a list of references at the end of articles, as sometimes people need that more than the information itself in context.
My own thoughts: I'm a high school teacher. My students constantly use Wikipedia for researching a host of things. Lots of them are under the impression that is not valid, or plagued by inaccuracies. What I saw with them is that many studies, internal and independent, have proven otherwise. However, most contend that red or broken links have no place in an encyclopedia. Regardless of the ongoing nature of the project, they feel the existence is in bad taste, and lends a lack of credibility of expertise to the dictionary. I, by and large, agree with them. I think the average use (and perhaps I am wrong) looks to Wikipedia is a well-spring of knowledge. While coming across broken links may not convey "a lack of credible knowledge," it most certainly jumps out as an effort in futility. Why come to Wikipedia if they simply can look elsewhere?
I'll be interested to hear your response.
SkipperClipper
01:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Looks like an attempt at a puzzle cache.. GC11Y0N. Pfalstad 04:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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I am planning to nominate all law firms of Category:Law firms in Israel for deletion, as a bundle. They are all failing WP:CORP, in the same way. Since you have been involved in similar cases, would you see this as a good idea? Thanks. -- Edcolins 23:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Reply. -- Doug talk 20:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting the vandalism of my user page on January 11th. The same thing has happened again so I woulld be most grateful if you would again do a revert. Geoffrey Wickham 20:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your support on my talk page. Exactly what I wrote here. -- Edcolins 21:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
... for informing about that this discussion on the Admin's noticeboard! -- Edcolins 20:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed your link to WP:SOFT into WP:SOFTWARE: WP:SOFT is about mediawiki, and I think that it wasn't what you meant. Anyway consider that WP:SOFTWARE is only a proposed guideline, so I think that you should provide another argument by Snowolf (talk) on 21:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for responding, and after looking through your contributions more I am certain of your character. I'm sorry I had to waste your time reading that, but its just a response to what I've seen recently on RfAs. If you were to stand for one, I'd be glad to give my support. Dåvid ƒuchs( talk • contribs) 16:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Dont you dare assume anything about what other editors think let alone claim to speak for them. That is the worst kind of trolling. Please desist, SqueakBox 21:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
To claim others cant criticise Brown people without criticising you is absurd rubbish, the misapplying WP:AGF is worse. Please stop being so aggressive and stick to the arguments, which other users absolutely have the right to elucidate in a way that is critical of the article, SqueakBox 19:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Your going behind my back at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is a clear indication thaty you are the one assuming bad faith. If you cant handle the frustrations of editing I suggest you take a break from the article in question. Your slur that I edited white people and your other rule violatuions may nmean I decide to take further action if you refuse to calm down and discuss reasonsably and rationallt, SqueakBox 19:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
yes well the rascist who got me in fron of the arbcom is now permanently banned. See
User:BlackApe. My arbcom case concerns Zapatero, it doesnt stop me pointing out OR, rascism or anything else,
SqueakBox
21:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made no bad faith assumptions against you, why are you harrassing me? Brown people is a rascist concept and then Uncle G turned it into an OR piece and you told admins that this means when people write delete thay mean keep, and since then you havent stopped attacking me, SqueakBox 22:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you desist from writing me messages on my user page (I watch arb en in any case) and I will stop writing to you, SqueakBox 22:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor has nominated the article IPhony for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPhony. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article IPhony during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate. Jayden54Bot 13:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in White people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.
Technically, you violated the rule already; however, I will let you off the hook this time, only giving you a stern warning. However, the next 3RR violation will surely result in a block. Also, I have protected the article. Please discuss changes on the talkpage first before adding changes. -- 210 physicq ( c) 22:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I understand that you are concerned with vandalizing. My user page has been 3 times edited with silly comments by 203.158.49.47. Are you able to block that Ip address? I know the person from about 29 years ago, he is mid 50's, an alcoholic with an obsession about a 'conspiracy' in the mid 1960's. If you can help it would be greatly appreciated. Geoffrey Wickham 09:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for dealing with and reporting the group of vandals at my school today. I really appreciate it. :) — Mr. Strong Bad/ talk 22:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for re-working / listening to the concerning the Charlotte Catholic High School page Hunter 22:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not use this template any more. This is a non-sense template. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 23:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There has been a renewed discussion about removing the several stock market indicies critera from the notability guidelines for organizations and companies (merged organizations with companies & corporations). I interpret your prior comments as being in support of removing these confusing criteria, but would like to clarify before evaluating our consensus. Thanks! -- Kevin Murray 04:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, but why are you telling me?? I didn't nominate it. Noclevername 23:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing immediately apparent that makes this article more advertising-like than that about, for example, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. If CampusJ had been the subject of controversies or somesuch, those would certainly be noted, but it hasn't. The only reason I'm the one who made this page is because someone else who'd tried to make one about CampusJ previously hadn't produced one that met the notability standard of several independent articles on the topic, because he didn't know where to find that coverage. That person contacted me, so I put one up myself that was largely similar to his original (but obviously I couldn't make it identical), except that it included several such articles, in order to fulfill the notability standard. I put no personal or qualitative assessments into it; it's strictly a few facts that are indisputable, and some links to stories about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steveniweiss ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
Responded on your talk page. ju66l3r 23:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I would really appreciate your help. I'm new to Wikipedia politics and rules, but I'm really loving it so far. I like this discussion page we're having on the Bridge film. It's like friendly debating for a good cause (You're really good at it by the way). Pretty fun :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulhorner ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
Hi, sorry to bother you with this, but would you mind to formally repeat your endorsement of "XXXholic" in the move discussion at Talk:×××HOLiC? With all the recent fuss around WP:MOS-TM, I'm sure we'd all hate to have another precedent in favor of stylized typography go down, because enough fans of the manga happened to show up. Regards - Cyrus XIII 12:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The Daily Express is a national British newspaper and is undeniably a reliable source.-- 20.138.246.89 11:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry to bother you but since you have expressed interest in that article would you please be kind enough to weigh in on the undue weight issue I raise on the talk page? Thanks. -- Justanother 05:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
Hi there, you reverted offensive comments on my user talk page left by a user in which I warned for having an inappropriate username, for that I would just like to thank you and give you this barnstar. Again thank you and happy editing!!! Regards - Telly addict 12:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
Thanks! I was doing some follow-up work on AIV and the vandal's contributions led me to your talk page. Snip-snap, good as new. Anytime! ju66l3r 13:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Recently you removed a link to my website that sold bump keys. I reposed this link, but could not figure out why it was taken down. I just figured out that I can look at the history and see a note to me as to why you removed it.
I apologize for posting a spam link, and would like to link to my documentation and instructions page, that includes a demonstration video, instructions and templates for making bump keys, and instructions on their use.
I am writting, so you do not think that I am trying to spam again. I use Wiki often, and feel that my contributions will be worth while.
Thank you,
Jeremy www.bump-j.com support@bump-j.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.67.253 ( talk) 17:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
Just added 3 mainstream newspaper articles. Thought you'd like to know. I think we may have to be proactive about this, because it might be easier searching the same sources for these in general, and adding them as appropriate. Not this week. You might want to see my talk p. for some comments. If you didnt see, Jimbo just put ATT back to square zero. DGG 18:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't understand why quoting a book that identifies aloe vera as a glyconutrient therapy is not germane to the discussion of glyconutrients? If there are multiple definitions of what glyconutrients are, i.e. if they are not only products sold by mannatech, it would seem to me to be POV suppression to remove any legitimate definition.
Did you even read the source from which I was quoting. One title is: "Aloe vera, a glyconutrient"
I may be a little dense, but what am I missing here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alterrabe ( talk • contribs)
I feel that we're going to be going in circles here. You have put a certain level of faith in the nonsense that Mannatech and LEF and other companies like this publish. They introduce a minor level of science and then extrapolate the results well beyond reasonability. It's a serious abuse of the scientific process and they only do so in order to make money. I have not put that faith in their works. I require rigorous scientific evidence for the claims that they make. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. These groups provide little if any proof. The LEF takes exceptional liberties with the data and then builds conclusion upon conclusion on top of each other and you are doing the same thing here. When I called you on it above, you feign ignorance and treat me as if I'm stupid for following you out so far on the flagpole. You quote a study where mice with tumors have aloe vera applied and the tumor supposedly shrinks...and claim you were discussing preventative because it's safer than saying what the data would lead to assume (that it's curative). You want to argue over inaccurate and leading statements about the utility of these proposed treatments/preventions/cures and then hide behind a disclaimer in the same manner as the companies. You act as if I don't know how the shell game is played and want to argue by attrition rather than attribution. Well, in that regard, you win. I'm done going back and forth with you on my talk page about this. You have not presented any reliable sourcing for your additions. Don't like my decision on the matter? There are dispute resolution options at your disposal. I will not allow the LEF to be quoted as if it is a reliable source. ju66l3r 16:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to write. Let me address your points, and then share my own rationale (if I don;t do both simultaneously):
Is every red link people come across notable? Ok, thats unfair. But take a look at my recent edits to the US Supreme Court. They provide the reader immediate access to a credible third party where they can quickly reference the material. Are they here to create pages or find information?
How long will we wait to fill in many of the red links? Again, I'm making a judgment call on notability in some respects. Still, what's the intent of wikipedia? Providing knowledge or making things either for editors? I don;tthink it has to be one or the other, hence my middle ground approach. I'm not deleting the information while still providing content. Individuals can still create pages, and people can later link it to them.
Will it take longer for an article to be created? I'm not sure there's an unbiased way to assess that. Does the causal reader know a red link means the page does not exist? For me the absence of a link is just as telling (if not more so) as the presence of a red link. To the average reader, the red link symbolizes broken, meaning the page DOES exist. (A counter argument is that people who click on red links will find the truth, but again, do we know how often that click does or does not occur?)
Consider this: how many doctoral students writing their thesis, or other researchers, would love to have the ability to give the reader a chance to instantly pull up what is being referenced, rather than flipping to the end notes section, then pouring through the library to find the original source? I don't mind leaving a list of references at the end of articles, as sometimes people need that more than the information itself in context.
My own thoughts: I'm a high school teacher. My students constantly use Wikipedia for researching a host of things. Lots of them are under the impression that is not valid, or plagued by inaccuracies. What I saw with them is that many studies, internal and independent, have proven otherwise. However, most contend that red or broken links have no place in an encyclopedia. Regardless of the ongoing nature of the project, they feel the existence is in bad taste, and lends a lack of credibility of expertise to the dictionary. I, by and large, agree with them. I think the average use (and perhaps I am wrong) looks to Wikipedia is a well-spring of knowledge. While coming across broken links may not convey "a lack of credible knowledge," it most certainly jumps out as an effort in futility. Why come to Wikipedia if they simply can look elsewhere?
I'll be interested to hear your response.
SkipperClipper
01:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Looks like an attempt at a puzzle cache.. GC11Y0N. Pfalstad 04:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)